• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 21:47
CEST 03:47
KST 10:47
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Code S RO4 & Finals Preview: herO, GuMiho, Classic, Cure4Code S RO8 Preview: Classic, Reynor, Maru, GuMiho2Code S RO8 Preview: ByuN, Rogue, herO, Cure4[ASL19] Ro4 Preview: Storied Rivals7Code S RO12 Preview: Maru, Trigger, Rogue, NightMare12
Community News
Code S Season 1 - RO8 Group B Results (2025)4[BSL 2v2] ProLeague Season 3 - Friday 21:00 CET6herO & Cure GSL RO8 Interviews: "I also think that all the practice I put in when Protoss wasn’t doing as well is paying off"0Code S Season 1 - herO & Cure advance to RO4 (2025)0Dark to begin military service on May 13th (2025)21
StarCraft 2
General
Code S Season 1 - RO8 Group B Results (2025) 2024/25 Off-Season Roster Moves Code S RO4 & Finals Preview: herO, GuMiho, Classic, Cure Code S RO8 Preview: Classic, Reynor, Maru, GuMiho Code S RO8 Preview: ByuN, Rogue, herO, Cure
Tourneys
[GSL 2025] Code S Season 1 - RO4 and Grand Finals [GSL 2025] Code S:Season 1 - RO8 - Group B SOOP Starcraft Global #20 RSL: Revival, a new crowdfunded tournament series SEL Code A [MMR-capped] (SC: Evo)
Strategy
Simple Questions Simple Answers [G] PvT Cheese: 13 Gate Proxy Robo
Custom Maps
[UMS] Zillion Zerglings
External Content
Mutation # 473 Cold is the Void Mutation # 472 Dead Heat Mutation # 471 Delivery Guaranteed Mutation # 470 Certain Demise
Brood War
General
BW General Discussion ASL 19 Tickets for foreigners BGH auto balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ Recent recommended BW games Battlenet Game Lobby Simulator
Tourneys
[ASL19] Semifinal A [ASL19] Semifinal B [BSL 2v2] ProLeague Season 3 - Friday 21:00 CET [ASL19] Ro8 Day 4
Strategy
[G] How to get started on ladder as a new Z player Creating a full chart of Zerg builds [G] Mineral Boosting
Other Games
General Games
Beyond All Reason Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Grand Theft Auto VI Nintendo Switch Thread What do you want from future RTS games?
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
LiquidLegends to reintegrate into TL.net
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia TL Mafia Community Thread TL Mafia Plays: Diplomacy TL Mafia: Generative Agents Showdown Survivor II: The Amazon
Community
General
UK Politics Mega-thread US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Elon Musk's lies, propaganda, etc. Ask and answer stupid questions here!
Fan Clubs
Serral Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Movie Discussion! Anime Discussion Thread [Books] Wool by Hugh Howey
Sports
NHL Playoffs 2024 2024 - 2025 Football Thread NBA General Discussion Formula 1 Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread Cleaning My Mechanical Keyboard How to clean a TTe Thermaltake keyboard?
TL Community
The Automated Ban List TL.net Ten Commandments
Blogs
Why 5v5 Games Keep Us Hooked…
TrAiDoS
Info SLEgma_12
SLEgma_12
SECOND COMMING
XenOsky
WombaT’s Old BW Terran Theme …
WombaT
Heero Yuy & the Tax…
KrillinFromwales
BW PvZ Balance hypothetic…
Vasoline73
ASL S19 English Commentary…
namkraft
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 9925 users

[SC2] IEM Global Challenge

Forum Index > News
164 CommentsPost a Reply
Normal

[SC2] IEM Global Challenge

Text byHeyoka
Graphics bypachi
August 16th, 2010 12:20 GMT
The event has started! You can find vods here and standings/replays here (click on the "vs." for each game then under the media tab on whichever round for the replay, then download). Thanks to Xxio for finding those!

[image loading]
Starcraft II: Exploding


Introduction

ESL? IEM? Whats with these acronyms? WTF?

For those who are unfamiliar, the Electronic Sports League is one of the largest eSports organizations in Europe. As you may suspect by now, they are throwing their hats into the ring for our cherished game Starcraft 2. They seem pretty excited, enough so that they run a tournament every night of the week.

They're serious guys with serious ambitions. But they're not just waltzing on the scene with some weeklies, they are also charging into our hearts with a little event called the (Wiki)Intel Extreme Masters. Just how big is this event? Well with a prize pool of $15,000 - its big.

How It Works

You see, dear friends, IEM is not just a single event. As the plural in the name implies, it is actually a series. As of this moment, there are two. The newer of the two is the IEM North America tour which recently started up, having their opening qualifier the first weekend in August. Relevant information on that side can be found here.

This is not about that, however, this is to discuss what is in our immediate future. On August 18-22, at Gamescom 2010, 16 of the top European Starcraft 2 players will battle it out for a chunk of the $15,000 purse. Dubbed the Cologne Global Challenge tournament, it will be the prelude to the 5th season of the IEM and the first truly major live SC2 event. ESL has pledged its very best efforts to deliver as many games live as possible for you to enjoy.

eSports legend, Michal "Carmac" Blicharz, is heading up IEM for ESL and gave an excellent overview of the tournament here.

[image loading]

The nuts and bolts of IEM


The Tournament


The actual games kick off very soon. Everyone is very excited to see what the first large tournament since the game’s release will bring, and which players will stake an early claim to being the best in the world. The bracket is packed with more than enough big names to sate your nerdy appetites and make the tournament one to remember. All eyes are on Cologne.

Qualifiers:
Invites
Go4SC2 Cup #24[image loading](Wiki)White-Ra
[image loading](Wiki)Dimaga – 1st[image loading](Wiki)DeMuslim
[image loading](Wiki)Sarens – 2nd[image loading](Wiki)IdrA
[image loading](Wiki)LucifroN – 3rd[image loading](Wiki)TheLittleOne
[image loading](Wiki)Huk
Go4SC2 Cup #25[image loading](Wiki)Strelok
[image loading](Wiki)Naniwa – 1st[image loading](Wiki)Artosis
[image loading](Wiki)ClouD – 2nd[image loading](Wiki)Brat OK*
[image loading](Wiki)Tarson – 3rd[image loading](Wiki)Hasuobs
[image loading](Wiki)MaDFroG

* Brat_OK will no longer be participating since he was denied a visa. Preliminary reports indicate he will be replaced by Morrow. This post will be updated once an official announcement has been made. MorroW has been confirmed as his replacement.

Group AGroup bGroup CGroup D
[image loading]White-Ra[image loading]HuK[image loading]Dimaga[image loading]DeMusliM
[image loading]Liquid`TLO[image loading]Tarson[image loading]LucifroN7[image loading]IdrA
[image loading]MaDFroG[image loading]BratOK[image loading]HasuObs[image loading]Strelok
[image loading]ClouD[image loading]Artosis[image loading]Sarens[image loading]Naniwa


What a line up. Each and every player has proven their skills through the beta and through recent tournaments. The exception being MaDFroG, who's only recently broken out in SC2, but is a massive name in Warcraft 3 (check out his Liquipedia page if you have no idea who he is!). MaDFroG has already caused a stir with his show match against TLO and IEM is the perfect venue for him to cause yet another stir.

He'll have a tough time in Group A, but realistically he's got very good chances. White-Ra hasn't been posting the results like he did in early beta, and we dare say he's having this first slump of SC2. He's going to have a tough time against Cloud's aggressive play and TLO's creative play as his recent results against the two would indicate. TLO is quite a variable in this group, since if his creative play gets the better of him it's possible he could drop a game to Cloud. Our guess is that he pulls through, and TLO and MaDFroG will advance from Group A.

[image loading]

This could be MaDFroG's breakout moment

If you haven't seen Brat_OK's bionic TvP play, then you are missing out on one of the most beautiful things in SC2. Go look up his game against White-Ra on Lost Temple or Dlovan also on Lost Temple just to see how amazing it is. While lacking tournament results, Brat_OK is a force to be reckoned with. Expect Brat_OK to top his group with ease. The question then becomes who is going to finish runner up. Tarson has shown some unstable TvP recently as can be seen in his two recent series against Socke, so HuK has a pretty good shot at taking him out. It comes down to what Artosis has been doing over in Korea. We have a feeling HuK will edge out Artosis, but really it could go either way. Thus, Brat_OK and HuK should advance.

EDIT: Brat_OK will not be participating since he was denied a visa. Should Morrow take his place in this group, then Morrow will probably make it out of here - but the group becomes a lot tighter.

Group C looks like the weakest of the four groups. While Hasuobs and Lucifron are both very good players, their names haven't been popping up in the podium finishes for tournaments very much recently. The notable exception is Lucifron's third place in Go4SC which earned him his seat in the tournament. Sarens has been quietly sitting away doing reasonably well in tournaments, but hasn't managed to score any major wins yet. Dimaga should be pretty happy with this group and should come out the victor. We're a huge sucker for Hasuobs' Blink-Stalker play and Lucifron's aggressive Terran play - but in all likelihood it will be Sarens who makes it through to the next round. EDIT: Lucifron just placed 2nd in Zotac 18, so there is a fighting chance for him in this group!

[image loading]

IdrA is the hot favourite for Group D - and for good reason. The recently crowned King of the Beta, and arguably the best Zerg on Earth (maybe the only Zerg soon...), shouldn't have any problems overcoming his Terran adversaries and Nani (who's been playing around with Terran recently as well). Nani looks to be the solid candidate for #2 here. His 3warp/chargelot/robo style has been demolishing Terrans left, right and center - and is the reason he won Go4SC #25. I would be pretty confident in Idra/Nani coming out of here.

This is the first major event for SC2 and with so much hype and momentum around StarCraft 2 (not to mention the prize pools) this is the players chance to prove themselves, to make fans, rivals, and perhaps the beginnings of a career as a progamer. The world will be watching as young hopefuls battle eSports titans for a chance at glory, for certainly, years from now when people look back this tournament will undeniably be known as a defining moment in eSports, a time of new beginnings and an unprecedented opportunity to achieve greatness. A taste of what’s to come.

An Interview with Day9

Before the event, we had a fantastic opportunity to get some thoughts from one of the most prominant members of the SC2 world.

+ Show Spoiler [Full Text] +

TeamLiquid.net: What do you think of all the new big leagues? Will they last?
Day9: I think there will be a few breeds of tournaments.

There's going to be the obvious sort of 'oh my god, it's StarCraft! Let's jump on the bandwagon!' They won't know the game or the community or how to run tournaments and those will rise and fall quickly. They're typical of any game, those types of leagues always exist.

For really well-run leagues - ESL, MLG, GSL - I'm certain they'll last. People have an insatiable appetite for games with good players. It's one thing to play StarCraft 2 - that can be exhausting - but watching can be done on a phone, at work, at school. Such a huge hunger from the fans, it's great.

One problem people will have is just that there's a shortage of players. There's only one TLO. He's everywhere.

He's so popular. I just got done watching a TLO video interview before we started talking.
Me too. Scary.

Q: So what's your plan, when are you going over to Europe for the IEM Gamescom tournament? Once you get there, do you have any plans outside of the tournament or is all business?
A: All business? You make it sound like I'll show up with a briefcase.

You're going to show up in a suit and a tie, it'll be nice.
I just better not show up looking homeless. I'm going to leave Monday the 16th and come back the 23rd. That's a nice long time and at least 1 day will be to travel.

My number one goal is to make sure I do a great tournament. It'd be terrible if I stayed out one night partying and showed up and did poorly ... Listen to me, acting like I party. What will happen is I'll say, "Hey, Germans, you play German-style board games too, right?" and I'll have a late game of Settlers of Catan.

I'm really excited to meet the German gamers, like TLO. (Writer's note: he's so popular)

Q: Out of the players going, who are the favorites?
A: Even though Lucifron hasn't done amazing stuff super recently, that's one of the first names that draws my eye. Plus I love saying his name.

My immediate gut reaction is Idra. I think he's really spectacular, boils my mind how good that guy is.

Huk. I thought he was a good player in beta but now that it's come out, he's the highest rated player anywhere. That's the sort of player that, if he keeps up steam, he'll be the best period. He went 0-3 in the King of the Beta but still took games. That was impressive but I knew he wasn't pleased. So many players would have given up and say 'this sucks'. The fact that that drove him into super-overdrive is very impressive.

Also, MadFrog. The thing that impresses me most with him is that his play doesn't look constricted. I get the sense that a lot of Zergs feel constricted, like they don't have opening options and even if they play safe they'll lose to aggression. MadFrog doesn't seem that way. He's a trooper.

Q: Do you agree with the list of invites?
A: Looks pretty damn good to me. It mildly bothers me that there is a lack of Zergs - 4 Zergs. It doesn't terrify me though. That can happen when people are still figuring stuff out.

It bothers me less because of talk of imbalance but more because - well, coming out of beta Zerg was clearly the race that didn't have a lot of openings. People pretty much did 14 pool, Hatch, gas, Queens, Larvae, Zergling speed, Lair or Roaches and Hydras and it was dry. Terrans were Banshee rushing or Reaper pushing, Thor dropping, all this craziness. Poor Zerg buddies.

Suddenly, Zerg players are more creative. I've been experimenting with not getting a Queen. Holy shit I can get Muta/Roach fast 'cause there's no sinkhole Queen! Extra Larvae is an instant boner, I will never claim otherwise, but if you're constantly churning out nine drones, you only have enough money to make those drones. People should experiment! They'll say 'whoa, fast Lair!"

So I'm 20 % bothered because I want to see more cool openings. But 80% bothered because MadFrog is just awesome, very intimidating. It's very scary to see how good he is. I want more scary Zergs.

Q: What do you think of Blizzard's plan to invest such a large amount of money in GSL?
A: Sounds great to me. When I hear that sort of thing, it's obviously a good thing.

When I hear that sort of large investment, the first thing I think about is Wizards of the Coast with Magic the Gathering. Magic has just such a fundamentally sound pro-tour. Everything has this amazing synergy to it.

'When will we have this tournament?' 'When a new deck comes out.' What I'm thinking of is the 2003 WCG when the tournament was in Reign of Chaos but The Frozen Throne had already been out. It was awkward. If Blizzard runs that, that doesn't happen.

The fact that they're involved on that scale bodes well.


How do I watch?

Yeah, we know, all you really care about is how you can watch your favourite gamers battle it out for the championship. ESL will be providing a stream in their usual fashion. That means you're going to need to grab the Octoshape plugin if you want to watch things live. Generally a direct link to the stream page will be posted in the appropriate TeamLiquid Tournament thread when the event starts, so your best bet is to hunt around the SC2 Tournaments section for the Live Report thread and grab the link there.

ESL is endeavouring to bring you as many games live as possible. I'm sure Carmac and the team will be on hand to share the necessary information about the alternate streams for the non-mainstage games. Again, keep your eyes on the SC2 Tournament forum for all the necessary details. ESL also have a twitter and facebook prompt so you'll get the latest information about where the streams are as soon as it happens. You can find the information for that in this thread.

And if you miss the games, don't worry. They should be uploaded on ESL's Youtube at some point. Here is the broadcast schedule for the event:

+ Show Spoiler [Schedule] +
Wednesday 18th

14:45 CEST: Group B: Brat_OK vs Huk
16:00 CEST: Group A: White-Ra vs TLO
18:00 CEST: Group A: TLO vs MaDFroG

Thursday 19th

14:25 CEST: Group C: Hasuobs vs Dimaga
16:00 CEST: Group C: Lucifron vs Dimaga
18:40 CEST: Group C: Hasuobs vs Lucifron
19:50 CEST: Group D: DeMuslim vs Idra

Friday 20th

09:50 CEST: SC2 Quarter Finals 1 & 2
12:05 CEST: SC2 Quarter Finals 3 & 4

Saturday 21st

15:10 CEST: SC2 Semi Final 1
16:40 CEST: SC2 Semi Final 2

Sunday 22nd

12:45 CEST: SC2 Bronze Final
15:10 CEST: SC2 Final

TL Meetup

If you happen to be attending IEM this week then check out the TL Meetup while you're there. Get to know your fellow posters and mix and mingle with the community. Everyone is getting together for a dinner and if you want to attend that you're going to have to reply very quickly!

Conclusion

To wrap it up:
  • IEM is an event run by our friends at ESL
  • Big tournament happening at Gamescom
  • Regular, long term tournaments happening in the future
  • Be excited! E-Sports is growing!


This update is brought to you by our dedicated ESL team - heyoka, Xxio, and chobopeon. Tune in shortly for a recap of the event!
Facebook Twitter Reddit
@RealHeyoka | ESL / DreamHack StarCraft Lead
Osmoses
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Sweden5302 Posts
August 16 2010 12:24 GMT
#2
Aaand it's back, I kinda wondered why it went away the first time. Totally excited here
Excuse me hun, but what is your name? Vivian? I woke up next to you naked and, uh, did we, um?
Tropics
Profile Joined August 2007
United Kingdom1132 Posts
August 16 2010 12:24 GMT
#3
wow, that liquipedia image on the main page looks terrrrible

anyway this is awesome getting serious coverage of foreign tournaments
Kerotan
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
England2109 Posts
August 16 2010 12:24 GMT
#4
There is a massive liquipedia puzzle piece in the middle of the main page.
Nerdette // External revolution - Internal revolution // Fabulous // I raise my hands to heaven of curiosity // I don't know what to ask for // What has it got for me? // Kerribear
Neelson
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany5 Posts
August 16 2010 12:25 GMT
#5
Can't wait for it. Gonna be on the GamesCom on Saturday for the semi-finals. It's a 30 minute train ride for me to get to the GC :D
zerotol
Profile Joined August 2009
Belgium508 Posts
August 16 2010 12:25 GMT
#6
On the spot saterday
Now i am become death, the destroyer of worlds
mcneebs
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Canada391 Posts
August 16 2010 12:28 GMT
#7
On August 16 2010 21:24 Tropics wrote:
wow, that liquipedia image on the main page looks terrrrible

anyway this is awesome getting serious coverage of foreign tournaments

Gotta just be the wrong image.
You do it to yourself. Just you. You and no one else.
251
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States1401 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-16 12:29:34
August 16 2010 12:28 GMT
#8
E-SPORTS

best of luck both to TLO, Artosis, Idra and Bratok!
"If you can chill..........then chill."
Aurdon
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2007 Posts
August 16 2010 12:29 GMT
#9
Big Ups for the Day 9 "Settlers of Catan" reference. Best board game of all time.


Oh and this SC2 tournament thing for $15k looks pretty cool too.
Night[7]
Profile Joined February 2010
Sweden31 Posts
August 16 2010 12:41 GMT
#10
Is there any conformation from Eurosport as to the nature of these episodes? Cause if that is really happening I can finally justify every channel in my TV package.
Art_of_Kill
Profile Joined September 2003
Zaire1232 Posts
August 16 2010 12:43 GMT
#11
hope to see some great games
TLT07 ===> *winner* <===TLT08
fishyjoes
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
Germany644 Posts
August 16 2010 12:48 GMT
#12
I'm so looking forward to this!

For everyone going to this event or GamesCom, we are having a TL meetup this friday!

Also, the matches that they show live have been set:+ Show Spoiler [moree detailed schedule] +
http://i38.tinypic.com/rse748.png
infinite fun: http://dagobah.biz/flash/loituma.swf
Klive5ive
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United Kingdom6056 Posts
August 16 2010 12:50 GMT
#13
Can't wait to watch these games. Hopefully this will be a regular thing.
Don't hate the player - Hate the game
TheAntZ
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Israel6248 Posts
August 16 2010 12:52 GMT
#14
why did this disappear for a while?
43084 | Honeybadger: "So july, you're in the GSL finals. How do you feel?!" ~ July: "HUNGRY."
Smoothie
Profile Joined July 2010
18 Posts
August 16 2010 12:53 GMT
#15
hoping for zergs to win all groups, and maybe throw in a TLO for madfrog
NeoLearner
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Belgium1847 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-16 13:26:57
August 16 2010 12:53 GMT
#16
So is TLO confirmed Terran and Dimaga confirmed Zerg for this tournament?

EDIT:
On August 16 2010 21:48 fishyjoes wrote:
I'm so looking forward to this!
Also, the matches that they show live have been set:+ Show Spoiler [moree detailed schedule] +
http://i38.tinypic.com/rse748.png


Thanks fishyjoes, that's the schedule I was looking for.
Bankai - Correlation does not imply causation
Osmoses
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Sweden5302 Posts
August 16 2010 13:04 GMT
#17
BTW, TLO vs MadFrog from the get-go is friggin bullshit bruh...
Excuse me hun, but what is your name? Vivian? I woke up next to you naked and, uh, did we, um?
DeLoAdEr
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Japan527 Posts
August 16 2010 13:09 GMT
#18
artosis fighting!! would be so hilarious if he wins this
Golden Ghost
Profile Joined February 2003
Netherlands1041 Posts
August 16 2010 13:15 GMT
#19
Who else thought at first Carmac was our own TL-mod Carnac?

And can somebody please tell me what the situations is with the IEM and Eurosport?
Are they indeed getting aired on Eurosport and if yes when? / Where can I find more information about this?
Life is to give and take. You take a vacation and you give to the poor.
AJMcSpiffy
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1154 Posts
August 16 2010 13:20 GMT
#20
Very excited to see TLO v MaDFroG again, as well as Artosis. I definitely think IdrA can win this whole thing. Can't wait to see these matches
If the quarter was in your right hand, that would've been micro
Senx
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Sweden5901 Posts
August 16 2010 13:23 GMT
#21
So will Liquibet add options where you can bet on how many times a player will be dropped from a game due to b.net 2.0 lag?

I would really appreciate it
"trash micro but win - its marine" MC commentary during HSC 4
Roflhaxx
Profile Joined April 2010
Korea (South)1244 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-16 13:32:02
August 16 2010 13:31 GMT
#22
On August 16 2010 22:23 Senx wrote:
So will Liquibet add options where you can bet on how many times a player will be dropped from a game due to b.net 2.0 lag?

I would really appreciate it

Dropped due to b.net 2.0 lag? What server are you playing on? Because EU sure as hell isn't dropping people at random..at least not anymore.
A game where the first thing you do is scout with a “worker”. Does that make any sense? Who scouts with a “worker”? That’s like sending out the janitor to perform recon, what general would do that? Retarded game.
hscore
Profile Joined June 2010
Germany3 Posts
August 16 2010 13:32 GMT
#23
tournament will be awesome, really looking forward to it since 2 weeks :D
nice article btw, but i have to disagree with some of the assumptions who will advance into the quarterfinals.
don't underestimate demuslim, white-ra and eventually hasuobs
razy
Profile Joined February 2010
Russian Federation899 Posts
August 16 2010 13:34 GMT
#24
it seems that BRAT_OK won't be able to take part in this tourney lol

visapwnd
Senx
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Sweden5901 Posts
August 16 2010 13:36 GMT
#25
On August 16 2010 22:31 Roflhaxx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 16 2010 22:23 Senx wrote:
So will Liquibet add options where you can bet on how many times a player will be dropped from a game due to b.net 2.0 lag?

I would really appreciate it

Dropped due to b.net 2.0 lag? What server are you playing on? Because EU sure as hell isn't dropping people at random..at least not anymore.


Oh you a blizzard employee? Its nice to hear such comforting words from a credible source such as yourself.
"trash micro but win - its marine" MC commentary during HSC 4
stacker
Profile Joined October 2007
United States32 Posts
August 16 2010 13:36 GMT
#26
how tidy and neat, each group is 2 terrans, 1 zerg, and 1 toss.
torm3ntin
Profile Joined October 2009
Brazil2534 Posts
August 16 2010 13:40 GMT
#27
nice to see it comming. SC2 is standing for its name.
Grubby and Ret fan, but a TERRAN player :D
Entropic
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada2837 Posts
August 16 2010 13:42 GMT
#28
On August 16 2010 22:34 razy wrote:
it seems that BRAT_OK won't be able to take part in this tourney lol

visapwnd


So bad... I just read the news. Germany wants to keep Russian sc2 nerds out or something
Boblion
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
France8043 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-16 13:57:13
August 16 2010 13:49 GMT
#29
On August 16 2010 22:34 razy wrote:
it seems that BRAT_OK won't be able to take part in this tourney lol

visapwnd

ridiculous
It seems that the only Russians allowed in Europe are mobsters or KGB guys ...
fuck all those elitists brb watching streams of elite players.
razy
Profile Joined February 2010
Russian Federation899 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-16 14:07:37
August 16 2010 13:55 GMT
#30
yup, the nerdraeg is raising inside

actual reason is described here (in russian):
http://www.goodgame.ru/diaries.php?ocd=view&id=2690

in short, german consul demanded to redo some invitation docs first (cause arrival and departure times mentioned there differed by 1 day from the real ones) and after he got the corrected version from germany (this time rox-team payed for the dhl deliverance) those doc's notarization (which costs pretty damn much) was requested. Rox suggested to pay the price needed for that notarization but it wasn't much time left and ESL chief officer got tired of trying to get through to the german embassy and trying to solve the problem... And so on and so on.

whatever, still hoping to see nice from all the players on this tourney =)
Carmac
Profile Joined August 2007
Poland375 Posts
August 16 2010 14:11 GMT
#31
On August 16 2010 22:15 Golden Ghost wrote:
Who else thought at first Carmac was our own TL-mod Carnac?

And can somebody please tell me what the situations is with the IEM and Eurosport?
Are they indeed getting aired on Eurosport and if yes when? / Where can I find more information about this?


Eurosport is not doing live broadcasting from this. They are producing a series of short documentaries about pro gaming, Intel Extreme Masters and the top esports superstars. Six of them to be exact.

Some of them will be about StarCraft II, some of them about Quake Live and some about Counter-Strike 1.6.
www.intelextrememasters.com
GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51399 Posts
August 16 2010 14:19 GMT
#32
brat wasn't allowed to come for wcg 2008 for the same reason too, right?
=[

oh well looks like we'll be seeing morrow.
Commentator
djWHEAT
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
United States925 Posts
August 16 2010 14:21 GMT
#33
IEM is fantastic and we would all be smart to support this series! GL to all. Was supposed to go cast with Day [9] but I couldn't get the time off. Next time Sean!
OneMoreGame.tv // Weapon Of Choice // Kings Of Tin // Inside The Game // Live On Three
Juaks
Profile Joined June 2010
United States384 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-16 14:25:39
August 16 2010 14:24 GMT
#34
Eurosport is not doing live broadcasting from this. They are producing a series of short documentaries about pro gaming, Intel Extreme Masters and the top esports superstars. Six of them to be exact.

Some of them will be about StarCraft II, some of them about Quake Live and some about Counter-Strike 1.6.


Well thats a shame. They definitely should make a documentary about SC2 as well. National Geographic did a nice documentary already about BW pro gaming in South Korea (the plot was in WCG 2004) and it was awesome.

On topic, I am eager to watch this whole tournament. Its going to be epic, and this is just the begining...

Edit. Nice article. Thumbs up.
Chesner
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Iceland817 Posts
August 16 2010 14:25 GMT
#35
Oh crap, would have been great with you there casting alongside Day. Oh well, going to be an awesome series regardless, all my fanboyism is channeled towards TLO! :$
PENGUINS
Golden Ghost
Profile Joined February 2003
Netherlands1041 Posts
August 16 2010 14:42 GMT
#36
Jezus Christ. What a bullshit this mess the Germans made for not letting Brat in.
I never heard before that those sort of documents need to be notarized. Is that a common thing in these sort of cases? Really sad anyway.
Life is to give and take. You take a vacation and you give to the poor.
SmoKim
Profile Joined March 2010
Denmark10301 Posts
August 16 2010 14:42 GMT
#37
What i really like is that there are now 3 major Organizations doing sc2 on each continent. ESL europe, MLG America, and GOMtv Korea/Asia

as the guy from Live on Three said: "its only going up from here on out"
"LOL I have 202 supply right now (3 minutes later)..."LOL NOW I HAVE 220 SUPPLY SUP?!?!?" - Mondragon
Mahuff
Profile Joined June 2010
France13 Posts
August 16 2010 14:49 GMT
#38
Can't wait!
lightrise
Profile Joined March 2008
United States1355 Posts
August 16 2010 14:49 GMT
#39
What a great line up for sure. This is going to be an amazing tournament! i cant wait to watch this
Awesome german interviewer: "What was your idea going into games against Idra" "I WANTED TO USE A CHEESE STRATEGY BECAUSE IDRA IS KNOWN TO TILT AFTER LOSING TO SOMETHING GAY" Demuslim
JinNJuice
Profile Joined June 2010
United States255 Posts
August 16 2010 15:00 GMT
#40
Any other Zerg players see Day[9]'s random "No queen/fast lair" zerg opening and start thinking if that could possibly work. I've never seen it tried nor have I ever tried it. I might get a BO tester and try it out. Sounds intriguing.
Zhou
Profile Joined February 2009
United States832 Posts
August 16 2010 15:33 GMT
#41
Terran doubles the other two races on this. That's not all too surprising now is it.
uNiGNoRe
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
Germany1115 Posts
August 16 2010 15:49 GMT
#42
On August 16 2010 23:21 djWHEAT wrote:
IEM is fantastic and we would all be smart to support this series! GL to all. Was supposed to go cast with Day [9] but I couldn't get the time off. Next time Sean!

Would've been so great. Hope it works next time!
CuttyFlam
Profile Joined April 2010
Belgium523 Posts
August 16 2010 16:28 GMT
#43
Allright ! gogo TLO! and DuckloadRA! :S
Leave it to ................... Luck!!
araged
Profile Joined April 2010
Czech Republic189 Posts
August 16 2010 16:33 GMT
#44
Really looking forward to this one, Team Liquid team seems to be really active lately. And that's great!
heh?
Uhh Negative
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1090 Posts
August 16 2010 17:03 GMT
#45
On August 17 2010 00:33 Zhou wrote:
Terran doubles the other two races on this. That's not all too surprising now is it.

Haha not at all surprising.
No_eL
Profile Joined July 2007
Chile1438 Posts
August 16 2010 17:14 GMT
#46
rooting for zergs!
Beat after beat i will become stronger.
dahornnn
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United Kingdom395 Posts
August 16 2010 17:18 GMT
#47
Lets hope ESL don't tarnish their reputation from the get go with painfully long prize payout timeframes.
leandroqm
Profile Joined June 2008
Netherlands874 Posts
August 16 2010 17:21 GMT
#48
I feel sorry for BratOK!
Really wanted to see him playing...
What are you tinkering about?
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
August 16 2010 17:23 GMT
#49
The consistency of the groups is mind blowing. So Dimaga is sticking to Zerg for the time being? Good.
Valikyr
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden2653 Posts
August 16 2010 17:30 GMT
#50
8 terrans in the quarter finals is my bet.
Azile
Profile Joined March 2010
United States339 Posts
August 16 2010 17:36 GMT
#51
On August 17 2010 02:30 Valikyr wrote:
8 terrans in the quarter finals is my bet.


Groups:

8 terran
4 zerg
4 protoss

Hmm.. working as intended obviously.
thopol
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Japan4560 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-16 17:53:01
August 16 2010 17:49 GMT
#52
Bratok was denied a visa? Hideous!! (don't know anything about this).

Dimaga is allowed to play in a huuge tourney even though he was a TSL abuser?? Fucking heinous!!

I am exceedingly excited for this tourney, but I cannot take anything with a cheater in it seriously. Why has that fuck been so accepted as soon as he switched to SC2. He's a fucking abuser. I understand the argument for second chances but this still too soon IMO. Even if an event isn't TL affiliated people should recognize that they are allowing an disreputable fuck to have a shot at their prize pool.

Give the cheaters a second chance, but first give them a punishment. It hasn't been long enough at all. I feel that because it is a new game does not give someone an excuse for misconduct so overt and major.

I was a Dimaga fan before his transgressions. I have been so very tempted to like him since his SC2 debut. We all just have to realize that despite how much we like a player, despite how skilled he is, he is a fucker who cannot be trusted and he should not be allowed into major events for a good long period of time. Let the fucker stew.

EDIT: I may seem overly zealous but it is simply amazing to me that people are letting this dude cruise. He was a cheater in one of the biggest foreign community events of all time. Why did people forget that?
Bayern
Profile Joined March 2010
United States25 Posts
August 16 2010 18:04 GMT
#53
This will be pretty intense.

but IdrA will probably own this place. Just cause he's Idra
Bio-Leera
Profile Joined May 2010
United States65 Posts
August 16 2010 18:17 GMT
#54
i'm rooting for lucifron. ever since that boy showed up at the blizzcon invitational and sweeped up games from grubby. The guy's a monster. To the people who say that starcraft 2 has no micro I think we should be looking towards lucifron and madfrog, the boys from warcraft 3, to show us how micro can be used in starcraft.
oursblanc
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada1450 Posts
August 16 2010 18:35 GMT
#55
Zerg to win it all!
An oasis of horror in a desert of boredom!
PanzerDragoon
Profile Joined March 2010
United States822 Posts
August 16 2010 18:41 GMT
#56
Disappointing news on Brat.OK. Without him I gotta say Idra is probably the odds-on favorite.
Ichabod
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1659 Posts
August 16 2010 18:41 GMT
#57
Great tourney, looking forward to watching.

As an aside: people are obsessing how its just 4 zergs in the tourney, well its also 4 protoss, I think its not a huge problem since terran is the easiest race to get into (zerg have larva which makes it different, and terran is just so safe defending against super early pressure so its good for learning, until baneling busts).
Kahnqueror
Profile Joined April 2010
United States52 Posts
August 16 2010 19:04 GMT
#58
LOL @ 8 Terran, 4 Zerg, and 4 Protoss...

Really sad.
CursOr
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States6335 Posts
August 16 2010 19:04 GMT
#59
Excellent OP. Good spoilers and not mid-bogglingly long. Perfect.

Go Go IdrA... and Zerg in general. Though- as IdrA said- you almost don't want them to do good because it would give more evidence that the game is "balanced" when it really needs a good bit of work.
CJ forever (-_-(-_-(-_-(-_-)-_-)-_-)-_-)
JayDee_
Profile Joined June 2010
548 Posts
August 16 2010 19:19 GMT
#60
Group A is the toughest by far.
Versita
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada1032 Posts
August 16 2010 19:23 GMT
#61
man i love madfrog haha.
i'm glad that carmac is behind this event. i really enjoyed his interviews for SK-Gaming, and was kinda sad to see him leave SK.
SweetNJoshSauce
Profile Joined July 2010
United States468 Posts
August 16 2010 19:23 GMT
#62
I want to see TLO win this. If not him, Whitera or idra
warshop
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada490 Posts
August 16 2010 19:27 GMT
#63
Idra is so solid it makes me shiver.

Seriously though, I'll be watching the whole event, amazing players
Al Bundy
Profile Joined April 2010
7257 Posts
August 16 2010 19:41 GMT
#64
Thank you, very nice article. IdrA looks very good on this photo.
o choro é livre
Jocoma
Profile Joined May 2010
Denmark100 Posts
August 16 2010 20:02 GMT
#65
This is going to be awesome! We just needed another 4 groups consisting of koreans and we'd have the best in the world duking it out in Germany.

Good stuff for the game and eSport in general!
fishtales
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden5 Posts
August 16 2010 20:05 GMT
#66
This is just amazing. I am looking forward to this like a child on the day before christmas.
dj.ricecakes
Profile Joined July 2010
United States252 Posts
August 16 2010 20:21 GMT
#67
every group has a toss a zerg and 2 terrans
TECH MOTHER FUCKERS TECH!
Nihilnovi
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden696 Posts
August 16 2010 20:24 GMT
#68
On August 16 2010 22:36 Senx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 16 2010 22:31 Roflhaxx wrote:
On August 16 2010 22:23 Senx wrote:
So will Liquibet add options where you can bet on how many times a player will be dropped from a game due to b.net 2.0 lag?

I would really appreciate it

Dropped due to b.net 2.0 lag? What server are you playing on? Because EU sure as hell isn't dropping people at random..at least not anymore.


Oh you a blizzard employee? Its nice to hear such comforting words from a credible source such as yourself.


Haven't dropped a game in over 500 played, stop trolling, its probably your ISP.
bigBONED
Profile Joined August 2010
Norway10 Posts
August 16 2010 20:42 GMT
#69
Thumbs up for Idra and TLO.
I didn't go to high school, i went to school high.
Wigz
Profile Joined June 2010
Canada42 Posts
August 16 2010 20:43 GMT
#70
Too far to attend But very cool to see tourny's happening.
Chicodog
Profile Joined August 2010
Denmark154 Posts
August 16 2010 20:56 GMT
#71
They should really have Tasteless to come cast with his brother! Specially since Dj_Wheat could not make it. Artosis and Idra are going, and he is just gonna stay in Korea??
Motion
Profile Joined January 2010
Germany183 Posts
August 16 2010 20:57 GMT
#72
very nice! Murder Death Group A^^ wtf

Madfrog hmm i don't give him that much credit for being a WC3 Pro - it's Starcraft, a one trick only isn't enough
http://www.gentle-nerds.com
Heyoka
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Katowice25012 Posts
August 16 2010 21:18 GMT
#73
I think Madfrog has more tricks up his sleeve than people give him credit for. He was pretty impressive in his showmatch vs TLO.
@RealHeyoka | ESL / DreamHack StarCraft Lead
J3rk
Profile Joined April 2010
United States25 Posts
August 16 2010 21:43 GMT
#74
Anybody know anything more about the briefly mentioned Intel Extreme Masters American Championship in New York City in early October this year??

I would really love to be able to attend, I work for the Delta Airlines and get free flights so I just need to know when and where as early as possible so I can get work off.

I'll be checkin back often for more info!!
I am more animal than the zoo allow
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
August 16 2010 21:45 GMT
#75
On August 17 2010 06:18 heyoka wrote:
I think Madfrog has more tricks up his sleeve than people give him credit for. He was pretty impressive in his showmatch vs TLO.

He's a great player, but I just hope he's been working on his macro since that showmatch 'cause it was pretty horrendous in that series :[
Splink
Profile Joined November 2009
United States13 Posts
August 16 2010 21:46 GMT
#76
Great gamers, can't wait for it to start! I hope all games are intense and close. Group A seems to have a great match up.
Romans 8:31
fishyjoes
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
Germany644 Posts
August 16 2010 21:53 GMT
#77
I feel so bad for Brat_OK getting his visa denied =(
infinite fun: http://dagobah.biz/flash/loituma.swf
mkoks
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Turkey70 Posts
August 16 2010 21:55 GMT
#78
8 terran
3 zerg
3 protoss

oh snap terran is unpopular race
teh best~
Xerrea
Profile Joined April 2010
Denmark41 Posts
August 16 2010 22:11 GMT
#79
hmmm.. i like the one zerg and one protoss in each group and then the rest is terran
sammler
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United Kingdom381 Posts
August 16 2010 22:19 GMT
#80
Super excited. The streaming news is actually great. It's very, very rare that we get to see all or nearly-all the games, no matter the game or tournament organiser. Rooting for The Swarm as always
"I wish I was good enough to be called bad by IdrA." - Moa
SmoKim
Profile Joined March 2010
Denmark10301 Posts
August 16 2010 22:22 GMT
#81
On August 17 2010 06:55 mkoks wrote:
8 terran
3 zerg
3 protoss

oh snap terran is unpopular race


wat
"LOL I have 202 supply right now (3 minutes later)..."LOL NOW I HAVE 220 SUPPLY SUP?!?!?" - Mondragon
Contagious
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
United States1319 Posts
August 16 2010 22:39 GMT
#82
I like how he brought up WotC and MTG. They do have good pro tour program that gives top players a lot of money, just to show up to tournaments. Even though, the skill gap isn't as wide in MTG as it is in SC2/BW... I feel that Blizzard could give more incentives so that it gets the scene bigger, and overall help their game.
Dionyseus
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States2068 Posts
August 16 2010 22:52 GMT
#83
Dissapointed that Brat won't be able to play...
9/5/10 P acct: NA D 10,683 651pts 69w56L http://sc2ranks.com/char/us/290365/LetoAtreides T acct: NA D 16,137 553pts 70w67L http://sc2ranks.com/char/us/1560008/Khrone Z: NA G 16,058 465pts 28w26L http://www.sc2ranks.com/us/1997354/Omnius
nurle
Profile Joined August 2009
Norway308 Posts
August 16 2010 22:54 GMT
#84
where is ret ?
Jaedong fucking beast
baikor
Profile Joined April 2008
Bulgaria28 Posts
August 16 2010 23:32 GMT
#85
I can't believe Bratok was denied a visa.. such a disappointment.
equnax
Profile Joined March 2010
United States4 Posts
August 16 2010 23:44 GMT
#86
MaDFroG fighting!
hoby2000
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States918 Posts
August 17 2010 00:37 GMT
#87
On August 16 2010 22:36 Senx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 16 2010 22:31 Roflhaxx wrote:
On August 16 2010 22:23 Senx wrote:
So will Liquibet add options where you can bet on how many times a player will be dropped from a game due to b.net 2.0 lag?

I would really appreciate it

Dropped due to b.net 2.0 lag? What server are you playing on? Because EU sure as hell isn't dropping people at random..at least not anymore.


Oh you a blizzard employee? Its nice to hear such comforting words from a credible source such as yourself.


You're the first person I've seen so far who has had this problem... I'm not a Blizzard employee, but I frequent a lot of gaming forums quite a bit, and I have yet to see anyone complain about being dropped.

It's your ISP or something on your end. Or Blizzard just doesn't like you.
A lesson without pain is meaningless for nothing can be gained without giving something in return.
Halation
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States60 Posts
August 17 2010 01:17 GMT
#88
this should awesome to watch, I'm so excited hahaha gl to every player
Requiem Esports
FlashIsHigh
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States474 Posts
August 17 2010 01:29 GMT
#89
Group is A is the group of death by far, I hope TLO and White Ra make it out, but I would also like to see Cloud.I'm def not on Madfrogs bandwagon hes the one person I don't want to see make it out of group A, maybe if he was in any of the other groups I would want him to advance. Pretty much whoever makes it out of group A is who I want to win the whole thing.
KT Flash// WhiteRa/Scarlett/Naniwa/MC/Huk/Nony
Sabu113
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States11046 Posts
August 17 2010 01:46 GMT
#90
All of these tournements seem to be missing sen. Well maybe not this one litteraly, but one name popped into my head at the words "scary scary zerg."

Duckload and TLO are going to have a ton of fun in group A. I'm excited to see more Huk Dimaga and demuslim as there have been so many mixxed reviews of those three and I have no idea how "good" all of them are relatively.
Biomine is a drunken chick who is on industrial strength amphetamines and would just grab your dick and jerk it as hard and violently as she could while screaming 'OMG FUCK ME', because she saw it in a Sasha Grey video ...-Wombat_Ni
Clearout
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Norway1060 Posts
August 17 2010 01:51 GMT
#91
Poor bratok

Really looking forward to this though!
really?
Twist-O-Fate
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada38 Posts
August 17 2010 01:52 GMT
#92
On August 17 2010 04:04 Kahnqueror wrote:
LOL @ 8 Terran, 4 Zerg, and 4 Protoss...

Really sad.



*ROLL EYES* Anything but 6T 5Z 5P is sad? Retarded pedants abound.
Read not to contradict and to confute; nor to believe and take for granted; nor to find talk and discourse; but to weigh and consider.
Brett
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
Australia3820 Posts
August 17 2010 02:10 GMT
#93
Good shit. Can't wait to see some of the games coming out of these big tournaments.
Bags
Profile Joined July 2010
United States69 Posts
August 17 2010 02:34 GMT
#94
Are these the proper times for EST then? (I've never been good with time zones)

+ Show Spoiler +
Wednesday 18th

07:45 EST: Group B: Brat_OK vs Huk
09:00 EST: Group A: White-Ra vs TLO
11:00 EST: Group A: TLO vs MaDFroG

Thursday 19th

07:25 EST: Group C: Hasuobs vs Dimaga
09:00 EST: Group C: Lucifron vs Dimaga
11:40 EST: Group C: Hasuobs vs Lucifron
12:50 CEST: Group D: DeMuslim vs Idra

Friday 20th

02:50 EST: SC2 Quarter Finals 1 & 2
05:05 EST: SC2 Quarter Finals 3 & 4

Saturday 21st

08:10 EST: SC2 Semi Final 1
09:40 EST: SC2 Semi Final 2

Sunday 22nd

05:45 EST: SC2 Bronze Final
08:10 EST: SC2 Final
Qwerty.
Profile Joined May 2010
United States292 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-17 03:03:36
August 17 2010 03:02 GMT
#95
IdrA is an incredible player, but definitely not the best Zerg on earth. I think even he would tell you that. JulyZerg is playing ffs...

Best foreigner, and favorite to win this tournament? Yes.
_SkY
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States50 Posts
August 17 2010 05:32 GMT
#96
This sounds like a fantastic tournament to kick-off the release of StarCraft 2! It seems to be very well organized, and the venue itself that Carmac showed looks pretty sick. StarCraft 2 really is hitting the big time with prize pools like this, MLG, and GomTV, and I'm really excited to be here at the start of it all.

Aside from the race disparity that a few people have already pointed out, I think that the tournament is going to be very exciting with a lot of really big names and some great match-ups. Personally, I agree with a lot of others that IdrA is likely going to win the whole event. His mechanics are just flawless and he has a lot more experience than most of the others playing at live events. I'd really like to see TLAF-Liquid'TLO win the whole thing though too, simply because he's such a fan favorite and really deserves to win (for his first time?). I've never had so many "wow" moments with any other player as TLO, and I hope for the best. Otherwise, I'm really excited to see ClouD, Naniwa, and LucifroN7 play, as I haven't seen anything by them before.

Overall, this sounds like a great tournament, and I'm really excited to see how the birth of StarCraft 2's tournament life goes. Good luck to everyone involved!
SkytoM
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Austria1137 Posts
August 17 2010 10:06 GMT
#97
it is not one of the largest in europe. it just is. ESL = awesome
Bisu... ;-(
Luca
Profile Joined July 2009
United Kingdom47 Posts
August 17 2010 10:14 GMT
#98
Come on DeMuslim! Bring it in for the UK!!!
heishe
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany2284 Posts
August 17 2010 11:43 GMT
#99
So not all of the games will be broadcasted... but do we get the replays from the other group-stage games?
If you value your soul, never look into the eye of a horse. Your soul will forever be lost in the void of the horse.
ChickenLips
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
2912 Posts
August 17 2010 11:53 GMT
#100
wow

Yeah Group D with Strelok and DeMusliM and there isn't even a friggin mention of it? Nani is a bad bad player that always 1 bases those 2 will easily kill him if he doesn't somehow pull out an all in win.

Can't wait cant wait
❤Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ✿
Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
August 17 2010 12:23 GMT
#101
On August 17 2010 20:53 ChickenLips wrote:
wow

Yeah Group D with Strelok and DeMusliM and there isn't even a friggin mention of it? Nani is a bad bad player that always 1 bases those 2 will easily kill him if he doesn't somehow pull out an all in win.

Can't wait cant wait

Nani hasn't been playing his 1base all in crap for a while now, he's a legit player and his style is sexy~
Administrator~ Spirit will set you free ~
ApolloSC2
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United Kingdom804 Posts
August 17 2010 12:51 GMT
#102
Just arrived in Germany, Day9s flight got delayed, so I am waiting at the ESL office for him!!
www.twitter.com/apollosc2
DCV_Whiplash
Profile Joined May 2010
Brazil14 Posts
August 17 2010 13:42 GMT
#103
On August 17 2010 10:46 Sabu113 wrote:
All of these tournements seem to be missing sen. Well maybe not this one litteraly, but one name popped into my head at the words "scary scary zerg."

Duckload and TLO are going to have a ton of fun in group A. I'm excited to see more Huk Dimaga and demuslim as there have been so many mixxed reviews of those three and I have no idea how "good" all of them are relatively.


Definitely agree about missing Sen. Haven't seen him on a tournament ever.
His series against TLO and White-RA where impressive.
With the shortage of zerg players, this guy should be on this list.
No quote today
Crissaegrim
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
2947 Posts
August 17 2010 14:22 GMT
#104
16 players, 4 protoss, 4 zerg, 8 terran.

Aw man, as excited as I am for this, I really hope it doesn'y boil down to a TvT-fest
koOma
Profile Joined March 2010
Norway462 Posts
August 17 2010 14:31 GMT
#105
On August 17 2010 23:22 Crissaegrim wrote:
16 players, 4 protoss, 4 zerg, 8 terran.

Aw man, as excited as I am for this, I really hope it doesn'y boil down to a TvT-fest


IdrA vs HuK finals if the brackets allow for it imo.
He wears a mask so when he dogs his face / Each and every race could absorb the bass /// ST_Life
Carmac
Profile Joined August 2007
Poland375 Posts
August 17 2010 14:51 GMT
#106
On August 17 2010 21:51 d.Apollo wrote:
Just arrived in Germany, Day9s flight got delayed, so I am waiting at the ESL office for him!!


WHERE WHERE??????
www.intelextrememasters.com
Carmac
Profile Joined August 2007
Poland375 Posts
August 17 2010 14:52 GMT
#107
On August 17 2010 20:43 heishe wrote:
So not all of the games will be broadcasted... but do we get the replays from the other group-stage games?


Is Bayern the most hated club in Germany?
www.intelextrememasters.com
kar1181
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom515 Posts
August 17 2010 16:04 GMT
#108
On August 17 2010 23:52 Carmac wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 17 2010 20:43 heishe wrote:
So not all of the games will be broadcasted... but do we get the replays from the other group-stage games?


Is Bayern the most hated club in Germany?


I thought HSV were?
Freezard
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Sweden1010 Posts
August 17 2010 18:20 GMT
#109
Guys how can I buy Premium account for 14 days? What does Aequitas Special mean? I can't check out when I select it.
pointy stick
Profile Joined July 2010
Germany19 Posts
August 18 2010 00:22 GMT
#110
in every group 1z 1p and 2t, i guess theres a 50:50 chance of a terran winner
Zonel
Profile Joined May 2010
United States100 Posts
August 18 2010 01:10 GMT
#111
IdrA FTW! I hope he takes it all. Zerg represent!
wristuzi
Profile Joined July 2010
United Kingdom1168 Posts
August 18 2010 01:48 GMT
#112
Gonna miss it live, god dang it!

Tell you what though, this makes me freakin' SUPER excited for the GSL, I don't really like the splitting up of SC2 players into koreans and non-koreans, so when the GSL happens we will actually be able to compare people a bit better
MarineKingPrime ¯\_(シ)_/¯ // Naniwa ¯\_(シ)_/¯ // Morrow
koOma
Profile Joined March 2010
Norway462 Posts
August 18 2010 03:22 GMT
#113
new patch wowowo, will it be used?
He wears a mask so when he dogs his face / Each and every race could absorb the bass /// ST_Life
Sfydjklm
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
United States9218 Posts
August 18 2010 07:01 GMT
#114
Dimaga is still one of the top favorites to take it down even despite the state of the zerg.
He is one of the most clutch and experienced players in this field, and has still maintained a solid ZvT record even post release. He seems to have issues with ZvP, however he has extensive winnign record against two of the protosses- Huk and WhiteRa. And of course his ZvZ is probably the best outside of korea.
twitter.com/therealdhalism | "Trying out Z = lots of losses vs inferior players until you figure out how to do it well (if it even works)."- Liquid'Tyler
Jocoma
Profile Joined May 2010
Denmark100 Posts
August 18 2010 07:14 GMT
#115
All I want for christmas is right here!

Yea' baby yea'! Epic awaits in few hours!
FromGorkyWithLove
Profile Joined February 2010
Latvia71 Posts
August 18 2010 11:15 GMT
#116
i dont get it... where can you watch the games live?!
Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42381 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-18 11:31:50
August 18 2010 11:31 GMT
#117
On August 18 2010 20:15 FromGorkyWithLove wrote:
i dont get it... where can you watch the games live?!


http://tv.esl.eu/de/

Schedule here: http://www.esl-world.net/masters/season5/gamescom/schedule/
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
Warrior Madness
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Canada3791 Posts
August 18 2010 13:08 GMT
#118
I can't believe how awful the quality of the ESL stream is... Seriously, I haven't seen an sc2 video on youtube with quality this bad.
The Past: Yellow, Julyzerg, Chojja, Savior, GGplay -- The Present: Luxury, Jae- The Future: -Dong, maGma, Zero, Effort, Hoejja, hyvaa, by.hero, calm, Action ---> SC2 (Ret?? Kolll Idra!! SEN, Cool, ZergBong, Leenock)
qczhao
Profile Joined July 2010
United Kingdom27 Posts
August 18 2010 13:14 GMT
#119
and now it's crashed, i think.
"Some talk because they have something to say, others because they have to say something."
Contention
Profile Joined August 2010
23 Posts
August 18 2010 13:16 GMT
#120
Yeah, stream lagged out for me just as Morrow pushed w/ his SCVs. I assume he won because they said they're going into game 2, but I don't know because it looks like it's dead now
Warrior Madness
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Canada3791 Posts
August 18 2010 13:23 GMT
#121
This stream is a little better, but no day9: http://www.own3d.tv/live/45
The Past: Yellow, Julyzerg, Chojja, Savior, GGplay -- The Present: Luxury, Jae- The Future: -Dong, maGma, Zero, Effort, Hoejja, hyvaa, by.hero, calm, Action ---> SC2 (Ret?? Kolll Idra!! SEN, Cool, ZergBong, Leenock)
sleepingdog
Profile Joined August 2008
Austria6145 Posts
August 18 2010 13:23 GMT
#122
wow, ESL really has to realize that they can make much more money when they use HD free streams and play in advertisements once in a while; I mean cmon, having to watch 30sec or sth. of advertisement prior to such a game could pay off big time?
"You see....YOU SEE..." © 2010 Sen
Warrior Madness
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Canada3791 Posts
August 18 2010 13:37 GMT
#123
It's pretty damn awesome though to see these guys on the stage being interviewed infront of the camera and what not. And a little jarring to say the least.... Morrow and Huk look like they're 16 yet they're so very scary at sc2.
The Past: Yellow, Julyzerg, Chojja, Savior, GGplay -- The Present: Luxury, Jae- The Future: -Dong, maGma, Zero, Effort, Hoejja, hyvaa, by.hero, calm, Action ---> SC2 (Ret?? Kolll Idra!! SEN, Cool, ZergBong, Leenock)
alonndo
Profile Joined August 2010
46 Posts
August 18 2010 13:45 GMT
#124
Seems the korean training already kicks in,

2:0 4 TLO
alonndo
Profile Joined August 2010
46 Posts
August 18 2010 13:52 GMT
#125
Seems the korean training already kicks in,

2:0 4 TLO
qczhao
Profile Joined July 2010
United Kingdom27 Posts
August 18 2010 14:10 GMT
#126
i can't believe white-ra lost that second game to TLO. he just didn't make any units ><
"Some talk because they have something to say, others because they have to say something."
IPS.Mardow.
Profile Joined November 2009
Germany713 Posts
August 18 2010 14:15 GMT
#127
White-Ra missmicroed x_x

poor whitera
Craixs
Profile Joined January 2008
Denmark170 Posts
August 18 2010 14:51 GMT
#128
I cheer for madfrog due to his history and I think it seems like his micro turns around a lot of his games, finding he pretty impressive.
Entusman #9.
alonndo
Profile Joined August 2010
46 Posts
August 18 2010 15:09 GMT
#129
damn these giveaways rly hurting me
koOma
Profile Joined March 2010
Norway462 Posts
August 18 2010 15:16 GMT
#130
WhiteRa is such a schizophrenic, noob 1 game, pro the next : \
He wears a mask so when he dogs his face / Each and every race could absorb the bass /// ST_Life
Shaoling
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Sweden344 Posts
August 18 2010 16:03 GMT
#131
Hahaha this music and this interview. Off da hook.
www.feelingcontemptuous.com - My music website [Dubstep/Electro/House]
sjschmidt93
Profile Joined April 2010
United States2518 Posts
August 18 2010 16:39 GMT
#132
I come look at the scores and was severely disappointed when I saw WhiteRa was 1-2.
My grandpa could've proxied better, and not only does he have arthritis, he's also dead. -Sean "Day[9]" Plott
groms
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada1017 Posts
August 18 2010 17:45 GMT
#133
For those of us who missed the original broadcast, where can we find the vods?
I have a recurring dream that I'm running away from a terran player but the marauders keep slowing me down. - Artosis
Xxio
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada5565 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-18 19:18:56
August 18 2010 17:53 GMT
#134
On August 19 2010 02:45 groms wrote:
For those of us who missed the original broadcast, where can we find the vods?


VODs

Replays
(click on the "vs." for each game then under the media tab on whichever round for the replay, then download!)


KTY
Al Bundy
Profile Joined April 2010
7257 Posts
August 18 2010 18:53 GMT
#135
Thank you very much for the links Xxio.
o choro é livre
sjschmidt93
Profile Joined April 2010
United States2518 Posts
August 18 2010 19:09 GMT
#136
On August 19 2010 02:53 Xxio wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 19 2010 02:45 groms wrote:
For those of us who missed the original broadcast, where can we find the vods?


VODs

Replays
(click on the "vs." for each game then under the media tab on the whichever round for the replay, then download!)




Anyone else having buffer issues with these? About every 2 minutes it holds up and must load.

Really annoying.
My grandpa could've proxied better, and not only does he have arthritis, he's also dead. -Sean "Day[9]" Plott
MonkeyKungFu
Profile Joined June 2010
Norway154 Posts
August 18 2010 19:27 GMT
#137
I dont want want to sound like a complete retard, but how can i watch this in decent quality?
..
AyJay
Profile Joined April 2010
1515 Posts
August 18 2010 19:55 GMT
#138
On August 19 2010 04:27 MonkeyKungFu wrote:
I dont want want to sound like a complete retard, but how can i watch this in decent quality?

you need to pay for it
kesrith
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany393 Posts
August 18 2010 20:22 GMT
#139
On August 19 2010 02:53 Xxio wrote:
VODs

Replays
(click on the "vs." for each game then under the media tab on whichever round for the replay, then download!)



Am I missing something or are not all games on that page? Day9 said something about a game between TLO and Cloud that happened at the same time as the game between Huk and Morrow but I can't find any VODs for it. Was that game casted by someone else?
alonndo
Profile Joined August 2010
46 Posts
August 18 2010 20:32 GMT
#140
On August 19 2010 05:22 kesrith wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 19 2010 02:53 Xxio wrote:
VODs

Replays
(click on the "vs." for each game then under the media tab on whichever round for the replay, then download!)



Am I missing something or are not all games on that page? Day9 said something about a game between TLO and Cloud that happened at the same time as the game between Huk and Morrow but I can't find any VODs for it. Was that game casted by someone else?


It wasnt casted by day9 or the glhf team dunno why,werent that good anyway
kesrith
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany393 Posts
August 18 2010 20:52 GMT
#141
On August 19 2010 05:32 alonndo wrote:
It wasnt casted by day9 or the glhf team dunno why,werent that good anyway

Okay. Thank you for the information.
Heyoka
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Katowice25012 Posts
August 19 2010 00:51 GMT
#142
Added the VOD/replay/standings links to the top of the post.

Looking forward to tomorrow, very pleased with today's cast!
@RealHeyoka | ESL / DreamHack StarCraft Lead
JayDee_
Profile Joined June 2010
548 Posts
August 19 2010 03:13 GMT
#143
Wow huk really choked vs artosis
koOma
Profile Joined March 2010
Norway462 Posts
August 19 2010 10:49 GMT
#144
On August 19 2010 12:13 JayDee_ wrote:
Wow huk really choked vs artosis


choked in general : \
He wears a mask so when he dogs his face / Each and every race could absorb the bass /// ST_Life
petitdragon
Profile Joined July 2010
France22 Posts
August 19 2010 15:39 GMT
#145
One thing bothers me, how comes the player do not hear the shoutcasts while they appear to be in the same room as the public ?
ultilol
Profile Joined May 2010
Pakistan24 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-19 15:42:45
August 19 2010 15:41 GMT
#146
[image loading]

lol

idra's brother lol
Hai there
alonndo
Profile Joined August 2010
46 Posts
August 19 2010 16:39 GMT
#147
idra must be raging
JayDee_
Profile Joined June 2010
548 Posts
August 19 2010 16:50 GMT
#148
Why didnt demuslim go for reapers on steppes??

Also TL, check out the front page of www.esreality.com to see how you are suppose to cover major events
Merikh
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States918 Posts
August 19 2010 17:24 GMT
#149
Finals Bracket :D

[image loading]
G4MR | I mod day9, djwheat and GLHF's stream
sLiniss
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States849 Posts
August 19 2010 17:26 GMT
#150
Go IdrA!!!!
Coeus1
Profile Joined May 2010
Finland160 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-19 17:32:13
August 19 2010 17:27 GMT
#151
Protoss out of tournament even before playoffs. Makes one sad.
xxx
Fugitive789
Profile Joined July 2010
Belgium13 Posts
August 19 2010 18:12 GMT
#152
On August 20 2010 00:39 petitdragon wrote:
One thing bothers me, how comes the player do not hear the shoutcasts while they appear to be in the same room as the public ?


they appear to be wearing massive soundproof headsets
Psionith
Profile Joined August 2010
United States35 Posts
August 19 2010 19:43 GMT
#153
Anyone else find watching VODs on ESL's page nearly impossible? My 30Mb connection sits and loads every 30 seconds. It's only their site so I have to think it's a problem on their end. Anyone else having this issue.. or better yet have a different site to catch the VODs form this morning on?
Starcraft - The world's greats spectator sport!
Brundlefly
Profile Joined July 2010
Norway56 Posts
August 19 2010 21:15 GMT
#154
Yeah I've got the same issue with streaming.

I feel like I'm missing half the VOD's of this tournament. I'm a bit dissapointed that the results from previous matches are occasionally spoiled by the commentators.
Dax
Profile Joined August 2010
39 Posts
August 19 2010 21:34 GMT
#155
Idra vs demuslim game 3 (blistering sands) was..... interesting.
his_shadow
Profile Joined August 2010
United States48 Posts
August 19 2010 21:43 GMT
#156
On August 20 2010 04:43 Psionith wrote:
Anyone else find watching VODs on ESL's page nearly impossible? My 30Mb connection sits and loads every 30 seconds. It's only their site so I have to think it's a problem on their end. Anyone else having this issue.. or better yet have a different site to catch the VODs form this morning on?


Same issue here. It was totally fine for day 1, but now their server seems to be messing up.

If an alternative source for IEM VODS exists some one please post.
Fax mentis incendium gloria cultum. Memo bis punitor delicatum.
elroy
Profile Joined April 2010
United States51 Posts
August 19 2010 21:53 GMT
#157
If an alternative source for IEM VODS exists some one please post.


I second this! I have been trying to watch them off the ESL.tv page and it rebuffers every 5 seconds...
His boy Elroy!
his_shadow
Profile Joined August 2010
United States48 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-19 22:28:05
August 19 2010 22:19 GMT
#158
Dimaga vs Lucifron G1, Brilliant Nydus Worms to counter reapers.

Terran comes back from 0 SCV's.

Fax mentis incendium gloria cultum. Memo bis punitor delicatum.
alonndo
Profile Joined August 2010
46 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-19 22:52:58
August 19 2010 22:52 GMT
#159
Server probs seem to be usa only
sjschmidt93
Profile Joined April 2010
United States2518 Posts
August 20 2010 00:39 GMT
#160
Are these re-upped anywhere? I mean ESL has the worst video service I've ever seen. I just waited 3 hours (3 hours!) for all of today's VODs to buffer and in the middle my browser crashes.

Seriously, it's so fucking bad.
My grandpa could've proxied better, and not only does he have arthritis, he's also dead. -Sean "Day[9]" Plott
Funkatron
Profile Joined July 2010
United States725 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-20 02:17:41
August 20 2010 02:13 GMT
#161
I was really looking forward to this event, but the posting of the replays leaves much to be desired. I would love for there to be a place with links to all of the SC2 replays. Maybe someone has posted in the thread but I don't dare read through due to all of the spoilers (thanks guys). If there could be a link in the OP it would be ideal. The link in it's present form brings me to some page with replays of multiple games (WOW, SC2, WC3, quake...) with some IEM games interspersed. Is it all of the games? I don't know! It doesn't look like it, but how could I tell.

I'd even be happy to pay for HQ VOD access, but there's no way I'm paying if I can't even find the replays I want. I'm getting so frustrated wasting my limited time that I'll soon have to give up. I'm totally bummed. How can you have a $15k prize pool and a totally inept IT team?

pachi
Profile Joined October 2006
Melbourne5338 Posts
August 20 2010 02:24 GMT
#162
Spoiler Free thread on teamliquid with replays and VOD links:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=145398
Moderatorpachi fanclub http://goto.tl/6DI9 。◕‿◕。
Funkatron
Profile Joined July 2010
United States725 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-21 14:39:07
August 20 2010 03:49 GMT
#163
Thank you a million times over.

edit: I still can't believe such a high profile tourny has such horribly crappy webcasts/web organization. If I were Razer or Intel I would put my money with some people who are a bit more professional and take things more seriously.
Blueblister
Profile Joined August 2009
Sweden321 Posts
August 22 2010 01:09 GMT
#164
On August 17 2010 06:45 Ryuu314 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 17 2010 06:18 heyoka wrote:
I think Madfrog has more tricks up his sleeve than people give him credit for. He was pretty impressive in his showmatch vs TLO.

He's a great player, but I just hope he's been working on his macro since that showmatch 'cause it was pretty horrendous in that series :[


Yeah, he said himself that his APM is around 100 at the moment and that he probably needs to get up to the 200-300 range to be competitive with the best. Right know he seems to live off his better understanding of overall gameplay as well as his superior psyche in tournament conditions. Since he has been playing both SC1 and WC3 competetively he's probably the tournaments most experienced player in this respect.

To sum up, MadFrog is a little rusty after being retired for over 4 years. Him having a full-time job also means he's not able to practice as much as the others. But considering all this, I'm very impressed with his play so far.
Mr.Ch4rms
Profile Joined August 2008
Canada84 Posts
August 23 2010 20:06 GMT
#165
ESL IEM 2010 VODS, i am dissapoint.
thats it stroke me clover
Normal
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
OSC
00:00
2025 Mid Season Playoffs #1
CranKy Ducklings94
Liquipedia
The PiG Daily
23:15
GSL Finals Replay Cast
herO vs GuMiho
Classic vs Cure
PiGStarcraft620
LiquipediaDiscussion
PSISTORM Gaming Misc
23:00
FSL s9 plan and showmatches
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
PiGStarcraft620
RuFF_SC2 217
PiLiPiLi 12
StarCraft: Brood War
NaDa 25
Sexy 21
Icarus 8
Dota 2
monkeys_forever342
NeuroSwarm105
LuMiX1
Counter-Strike
Foxcn433
flusha358
Super Smash Bros
C9.Mang0440
Mew2King184
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor173
Other Games
summit1g8772
shahzam1058
JimRising 383
WinterStarcraft302
Sick68
Trikslyr55
ViBE51
PPMD47
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick1032
StarCraft 2
ESL.tv115
Other Games
BasetradeTV55
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 14 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Hupsaiya 62
• OhrlRock 1
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• Azhi_Dahaki47
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• Ler74
Upcoming Events
Korean StarCraft League
1h 13m
RSL Revival
8h 13m
SOOP Global
13h 13m
Spirit vs SKillous
YoungYakov vs ShowTime
SOOP
15h 43m
HeRoMaRinE vs Astrea
BSL Season 20
16h 13m
UltrA vs Radley
spx vs RaNgeD
Online Event
1d 2h
Clem vs ShoWTimE
herO vs MaxPax
Sparkling Tuna Cup
1d 8h
WardiTV Invitational
1d 9h
Percival vs TriGGeR
ByuN vs Solar
Clem vs Spirit
MaxPax vs Jumy
BSL Season 20
1d 13h
TerrOr vs HBO
Tarson vs Spine
RSL Revival
1d 15h
[ Show More ]
BSL Season 20
1d 16h
MadiNho vs dxtr13
Gypsy vs Dark
Wardi Open
2 days
Monday Night Weeklies
2 days
Replay Cast
3 days
The PondCast
4 days
Replay Cast
4 days
Replay Cast
5 days
Road to EWC
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2025-05-14
2025 GSL S1
Calamity Stars S2

Ongoing

JPL Season 2
ASL Season 19
YSL S1
BSL 2v2 Season 3
BSL Season 20
China & Korea Top Challenge
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 2
NPSL S3
Heroes 10 EU
PGL Astana 2025
Asian Champions League '25
ECL Season 49: Europe
BLAST Rivals Spring 2025
MESA Nomadic Masters
CCT Season 2 Global Finals
IEM Melbourne 2025
YaLLa Compass Qatar 2025
PGL Bucharest 2025
BLAST Open Spring 2025
ESL Pro League S21

Upcoming

CSLPRO Last Chance 2025
CSLAN 2025
K-Championship
Esports World Cup 2025
HSC XXVII
Championship of Russia 2025
Bellum Gens Elite Stara Zagora 2025
2025 GSL S2
DreamHack Dallas 2025
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1
BLAST.tv Austin Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 7
IEM Dallas 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.