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LosingID8
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
CA10835 Posts
April 28 2010 18:25 GMT
#21
On April 29 2010 03:11 SubtleArt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2010 03:10 SubtleArt wrote:
Poor Jaedong, having to play Midas. If he had a non terran then he'd pretty much be guaranteed to play Free (sorry Hiya). Jaedong ZvP I think still = godmode, so we'd probably see another JD vs Flash finals


i'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you meant to edit your post rather than quote yourself lol

anyway, thanks for the writeup guys
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Zona
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
40426 Posts
April 28 2010 18:26 GMT
#22
On April 29 2010 02:58 kingjames01 wrote:
I think your assessment of this game is a little skewed with due respect. The general progamer who has as much practice and experience as these two can take an opportunity/advantage and make a transition that keeps the momentum going. I think that Fantasy had nothing prepared other than a common bunker rush. It helped that Calm put his Overlord in a vulnerable position. After Fantasy's cheese worked he just kept the momentum by using complementary units that Calm would be least prepared for. In my opinion he just assessed the game as it happened and not the way that you implied it: "I'll kill his overlord, then I'll bunker cheese him and then I'll kill his hatch and then I'll send in vultures and I'll finish him off with wraiths. Perfect." Fantasy is not as smart as people would like to think he is.

First of all, your assertion that fantasy had nothing prepared seems to have no evidence behind it, other than it being something "you think" is true. In any case, if what you said was true, in that Fantasy did not have something prepared and was able to make good decisions after seeing how his initial attack fared, that would make him a smarter player that can think well on the spot (not less smart, as you assert), rather than one that relied on preparation.

But given how often Fantasy falls apart in strange ways, it's more likely that he is a player that heavily relies on preparation, including planning what to do several steps after the initial stages of the game depending on what transpired. Now you of course can throw back the idea that this assertion is simply "something I think", but if Fantasy was able to make good decisions based on what happened so far in the game, his games wouldn't end up the way the do. And it's a major weakness he has - something that I, as a fan of his, always hopes he can somehow improve.
"If you try responding to those absurd posts every day, you become more damaged. So I pay no attention to them at all." Jung Myung Hoon (aka Fantasy), as translated by Kimoleon
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33699 Posts
April 28 2010 18:29 GMT
#23
Ugh, goddamn MSL re-seeding. Why can't midas draw someone like great
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
thunk
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States6233 Posts
April 28 2010 18:39 GMT
#24
Could Midas return and fulfill his destiny as the Prodigal son of the SKT1 heritage?!?!?
Every time Jung Myung Hoon builds a vulture, two probes die. || My post count was a palindrome and I was never posting again.
thunk
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States6233 Posts
April 28 2010 18:40 GMT
#25
On April 29 2010 03:29 Waxangel wrote:
Ugh, goddamn MSL re-seeding. Why can't midas draw someone like great


Midas has been playing hot. He could take Jaedong in a Bo5.
Every time Jung Myung Hoon builds a vulture, two probes die. || My post count was a palindrome and I was never posting again.
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33699 Posts
April 28 2010 19:04 GMT
#26
On April 29 2010 03:39 thunk wrote:
Could Midas return and fulfill his destiny as the Prodigal son of the SKT1 heritage?!?!?


more like he's oliver twist finally free of the SKT sweatshop
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
obesechicken13
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10467 Posts
April 28 2010 19:05 GMT
#27
Vod of Fantasy vs Calm pls?
I think in our modern age technology has evolved to become more addictive. The things that don't give us pleasure aren't used as much. Work was never meant to be fun, but doing it makes us happier in the long run.
plan3t
Profile Joined October 2008
Canada75 Posts
April 28 2010 19:13 GMT
#28
Can't wait to see the Jaedong/Midas set.
Here's hoping either Midas or Free makes it into the finals.
Cpadolf
Profile Joined August 2009
Sweden1199 Posts
April 28 2010 19:14 GMT
#29
On April 29 2010 04:05 obesechicken13 wrote:
Vod of Fantasy vs Calm pls?


+ Show Spoiler +
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=weoyyVSZb8I


Or: http://www.teamliquid.net/vods/torrents/Hana_Daetoo_Securities_MSL_2010_Round_of_16_Day_4.torrent
Caos2
Profile Joined November 2008
United States1728 Posts
April 28 2010 19:20 GMT
#30
One of the best write ups in recent months, thanks!

[fanboy]STX Fighting! Go Calm and prove to everyone that STX may faulter but can never fall! STX! STX! STX![/fanboy]
Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21247 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-28 19:32:57
April 28 2010 19:25 GMT
#31
fantasy abusing homosexual Terran builds. FFFFFFFU.

Good thing Calm prevailed <3~!

There's a slight typo where you say SCVs at Calm's natural as opposed to fantasy's natural.

Unfortunate that Jaedong and Calm have to be on the same side of the bracket. Jaedong or Calm vs. Flash with Jaedong/Calm winning would be mighty fine though (Y)
TranslatorBaa!
hyst.eric.al
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States2332 Posts
April 28 2010 19:32 GMT
#32
I can just imagine MVP, great, hiya, and Midas advancing, then midas losing his Ro4 round. That would be so MSL-esque.
Leta , BeSt, Calm fan forever! 김정우, I am sorry I ever lost faith in you.
Kenpachi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States9908 Posts
April 28 2010 19:51 GMT
#33
those banners are what impressed me the most!
Nada's body is South Korea's greatest weapon.
Wings
Profile Joined January 2010
United States999 Posts
April 28 2010 20:04 GMT
#34
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Did anyone else notice how the player's faces grew in size with EPICness? Which is why banner-creator put a tiny MVP in Flash's huge face, Midas & JD are relatively big, everyone else is small, and he put Great's face behind a Hydra. LOL.
The probability of Kim Carrier getting all those predictions wrong is similar to the probability Flash loses a TvT. Kim Carrier MUST BE a genius. His only big mistake... STORK.
tedster
Profile Joined May 2009
984 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-28 20:25:42
April 28 2010 20:15 GMT
#35
You actually misrepresent the Jaedong/Midas matchup in this article, saying Jaedong has a statistical advantage. By the numbers, Midas is actually significantly better than Jaedong at TvZ and (amazingly) did not actually fall off during his long-term slump. Granted, he didn't play much at all, but he's still maintained the win ratio all the way up to the point he stopped being fielded.

In fact, Midas is still statistically one of the best EVER at this fight, though obviously Jaedong is the better overall player during this era. Looking at the numbers, we have:

TvZ
(T)Flash 97-40 (70.80%)
(T)Midas 79-37 (68.10%)
(T)iloveoov 79-38 (67.52%)

So basically, if Midas is playing up to his old potential, and doesn't choke, this could be an incredible matchup. Midas could actually win!
the last wcs commissioner
Tufas
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Austria2259 Posts
April 28 2010 20:53 GMT
#36
JD vs Flash and another powerout would not only make my day but make my year.
Where is my ACE flair
Yxes2211
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1587 Posts
April 28 2010 20:54 GMT
#37
Come on Jaedong! XD
Jaedong and Baby
Rkie
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States1278 Posts
April 28 2010 20:57 GMT
#38
very interesting and entertaining article
Art.FeeL
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
1163 Posts
April 28 2010 21:09 GMT
#39
On April 29 2010 05:53 Tufas wrote:
JD vs Flash and another powerout would not only make my day but make my year.


haha, that would be hilarious
I am a great believer in luck. The harder I work the luckier I am.
Fulgrim
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States560 Posts
April 28 2010 21:21 GMT
#40
I'm really surprised at how well Midas has been doing recently, although I'm not sure he could stand up to the Dong on most days.
One does not simply walk into mordor
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