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SoL[9]
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Portugal1370 Posts
December 09 2009 20:17 GMT
#41
Go Ra! :D
I Can Fly...
TDK
Profile Joined December 2009
United States48 Posts
December 09 2009 20:34 GMT
#42
IdrA A+

What a baller

Seriously, can it be confirmed that he's the first foreigner to reach A+ by playing mostly koreans?
50% of statistics are misquoted, including this one.
Amarxist
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States371 Posts
December 09 2009 21:04 GMT
#43
Looking at the match lists between the top rungs is interesting. You see Idra who just plays everyone, but mainly Koreans and the rest of them stick to playing each other for the most part.
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No_eL
Profile Joined July 2007
Chile1438 Posts
December 09 2009 21:19 GMT
#44
why no one tal about Killer? he beats many of the top players right now. Same thing with Dinot and last TSL, =(

gogo chile!!
Beat after beat i will become stronger.
Mikilatov
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States3897 Posts
December 09 2009 21:36 GMT
#45
Awesome interview with R1CH, who shall forever be known as the savior of my Warcraft aspect ratio.

It's really neat to hear about some of the TL infrastructure, I'd like to see more interviews with TL staff who don't get enough credit for their behind the scenes work.
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RebirthOfLeGenD
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
USA5860 Posts
December 09 2009 21:47 GMT
#46
Something I noticed earlier but didn't have the time to post
At the time of writing there are 397 points separating rank #25 from rank #48. Each loss at A- to another A- subtracts 130 points from your ladder score (and even more if you lose to someone lower than you). So if you are between ranks #25-48 and you lose four games in a row you will drop out of the TSL. In fact, ranks #40-48 are one loss away from dropping out of the top 48. At the time of writing ranks #49-60 are one win away from entering into the top 48. Anyway you look at it, it’s getting really tight at the top.

As soon as you enter the A ranks (including A-) you lose 140 for every loss at EQUAL rank, not 130. The difference is pretty big because you can mass game your way into A- if you try hard enough, however you can't mass game your way out of it. Going 50% over the course of 20 games gives you -200 points as opposed to an even score.
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RebirthOfLeGenD
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
USA5860 Posts
December 09 2009 21:52 GMT
#47
Also if its not too much trouble, I would be interested ti know why TL isn't using livestream.com for the TSL instead of wasting money on more servers? Are you guys aiming for really high quality streams that LS can't support?
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Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Hungary3932 Posts
December 09 2009 22:09 GMT
#48
The R1CH interview was particularly interesting, thanks.
BW fighting!
Norsken
Profile Joined November 2008
Sweden6 Posts
December 09 2009 22:11 GMT
#49
Great to see the interview with R1CH, I've enjoyed his contributions to the Q2/D2/BW communities, but it took some time before I made the realization it was all the same person. Kudos to you man!
Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
December 09 2009 22:43 GMT
#50
On December 10 2009 06:47 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
Something I noticed earlier but didn't have the time to post
Show nested quote +
At the time of writing there are 397 points separating rank #25 from rank #48. Each loss at A- to another A- subtracts 130 points from your ladder score (and even more if you lose to someone lower than you). So if you are between ranks #25-48 and you lose four games in a row you will drop out of the TSL. In fact, ranks #40-48 are one loss away from dropping out of the top 48. At the time of writing ranks #49-60 are one win away from entering into the top 48. Anyway you look at it, it’s getting really tight at the top.

As soon as you enter the A ranks (including A-) you lose 140 for every loss at EQUAL rank, not 130. The difference is pretty big because you can mass game your way into A- if you try hard enough, however you can't mass game your way out of it. Going 50% over the course of 20 games gives you -200 points as opposed to an even score.
Yes you are correct, my earlier drafts had that at 140. Thanks!

On December 10 2009 06:52 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
Also if its not too much trouble, I would be interested ti know why TL isn't using livestream.com for the TSL instead of wasting money on more servers? Are you guys aiming for really high quality streams that LS can't support?
There are more benefits from using a TL Stream as opposed to livestream. Livestream is alright for casual broadcasting, but when you're doing a serious tournament with lots of prizes and viewers expected it really is worth the extra effort to use a TL hosted stream.

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hooktits
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States972 Posts
December 09 2009 22:45 GMT
#51
nice for members like myself who aren't aware of what goes one behind the scenes to get a taste of goes on and how much work goes into this site. Nice write up!
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blue_arrow
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
1971 Posts
December 09 2009 23:10 GMT
#52
sexy
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Liquid`Nazgul
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
22427 Posts
December 09 2009 23:36 GMT
#53
For the people that don't really understand programming, R1CH is like Jaedong. Same APM too.
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Chill
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Calgary25991 Posts
December 09 2009 23:44 GMT
#54
#1 R1CH chatlogs fan reporting in!
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foeffa
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Belgium2115 Posts
December 10 2009 00:57 GMT
#55
Very interesting stuff And R1CH, you're a saint! ^_^ All the other coders as well ofc.
觀過斯知仁矣.
R1CH
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Netherlands10341 Posts
December 10 2009 02:19 GMT
#56
On December 10 2009 06:52 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
Also if its not too much trouble, I would be interested ti know why TL isn't using livestream.com for the TSL instead of wasting money on more servers? Are you guys aiming for really high quality streams that LS can't support?

Livestream charges $350/mo and $1.50 per GB for a premium stream, running our own servers would be a tenth of that. Due to the sponsorship Livestream would probably consider us using the free streaming to be a TOS violation, and I really don't think they would be happy with a few thousand people leeching their bandwidth every broadcast. Plus it looks bad to have advertisements popping up mid-stream.
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wurm
Profile Joined October 2007
Philippines2296 Posts
December 10 2009 02:42 GMT
#57
On December 10 2009 03:56 R1CH wrote:
It's not that exciting, but ok

http://r-1.ch/HolyShitIWonAGame.rep


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lol.. Funny game. Punish that Protoss cheeser.. with your own cheese!


Awesome interview.
I know where my towel is.
PangO
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Chile1870 Posts
December 10 2009 03:07 GMT
#58
On December 10 2009 06:19 No_eL wrote:
why no one tal about Killer? he beats many of the top players right now. Same thing with Dinot and last TSL, =(

gogo chile!!


You won't compare Dinot to Killer, right ?
In Economics, the majority is always wrong. aka: MattRz
HonestTea *
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
5007 Posts
December 10 2009 03:51 GMT
#59
R1CH is god
returns upon momentous occasions.
Mystlord *
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10264 Posts
December 10 2009 03:52 GMT
#60
Awesome interview with r1ch! Neat to know what goes on behind the pretty front page
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