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FakeKisser
United States159 Posts
I'm not sure I'm 100% with you when you say "everyone's a fanboy," but I do see your point. I just think that if you like a player, you should have a reason why. It doesn't have to be anything complicated, but it shouldn't be, "Because everyone else does." Of course, having good, educated debates about players (or almost any other topic) can be fun, but when it keeps going back to the same arguments, you just have to shake hands and walk away, because that's when opinions take over. sKyHigh!!! | ||
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Crunchums
United States11144 Posts
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Nylan
United States795 Posts
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sixghost
United States2096 Posts
On October 20 2009 04:04 FakeKisser wrote: haha. awesome. I'm not sure I'm 100% with you when you say "everyone's a fanboy," but I do see your point. I just think that if you like a player, you should have a reason why. It doesn't have to be anything complicated, but it shouldn't be, "Because everyone else does." Of course, having good, educated debates about players (or almost any other topic) can be fun, but when it keeps going back to the same arguments, you just have to shake hands and walk away, because that's when opinions take over. sKyHigh!!! I doubt anyone likes a player or team just because lots of other people do. Maybe they like that team or player for the same reasons everyone else does, but its not simply because they are popular | ||
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NewblearBomb
Canada7 Posts
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eshlow
United States5210 Posts
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Mykill
Canada3402 Posts
 110% sure | ||
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Xenixx
United States499 Posts
I love BoxeR, I grew up playing StarCraft with him and our lives are pretty close in some ways but I did not jump on the bandwagon back then. I was surprised to hear the number of fans BoxeR has. I like BoxeR for his micro and I don't appreciate macro as much. That one big play is more memorable than a check mark in the Victory column after 50 minutes to me. Michael Jordan, Babe Ruth, Jerry Rice are all playing a team sport to which they have big moments but they don't single handedly win a game do they? What are your thoughts? | ||
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Noah
Norway164 Posts
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Nylan
United States795 Posts
On October 20 2009 04:16 sixghost wrote: I doubt anyone likes a player or team just because lots of other people do. Maybe they like that team or player for the same reasons everyone else does, but its not simply because they are popular You, sir, do not remember how the Raiders once were. | ||
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Iplaythings
Denmark9110 Posts
And I been cheering for Flash ever since I saw him trouncing Stork in the GSI, and I been an anti fan of Stork undtil he beat Fantasy who is my newest hate, does that change of opinions make me and noone BW fan? No. Thanks for pointing this out Hot_bid. EDIT: And you think CJ will win ? KT has this in the bag! | ||
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iFU.pauline
France1715 Posts
And this comment about being sure he's better than Boxer, even if i understand what you mean, you don't even know them, Boxer still has a descent t v z, what if they are zerg? You have no possibility to know anything if you don't know them, this is pure bullshit comment. If it's just to tell your opinion don't bother writing an article for everyone make your own blog. | ||
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Frits
11782 Posts
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iamho
United States3347 Posts
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ForSC2
United States580 Posts
On October 20 2009 00:02 Hot_Bid wrote: or post "wow this dude sucks" every time Effort rolls over a crappy washed up Air Force player, no matter how many times he won a starleague in 2003. That's not disrespecting him. Because sucking now doesn't change his win back then, and winning then doesn't affect us recognizing he sucks today. So when someone rolls over Reach when he doesn't even have the possibility of practicing the same amount as his opponent, you're gonna be saying wow this dude sucks when that'll probably be the last time we ever see him? Because it seems to have happened to every professional player that has played Starcraft we know that a few years down the line everyone's gonna suck from Boxer to Jaedong. And because it's guaranteed to happen I can't even fault these players when after their time has passed they can't keep up with the highest tier of Starcraft. In Starcraft there are definitely advantages with being able to transition to new players as time goes on. Because the length of a player's career is so short and most cannot come back after their respective times it is more reasonable to bet on a new horse than the old one. Korea is an elder based society. Despite the length of their careers people hold high respect for old gamers because they paved the road that players today walk on. Every player today will call July hyung and not wow you suck July. And it's not just the age, more than just about any other sport, today's players build on top of the evolutions of the previous generation because they get to where they are by pouring over and replays/builds/styles of the generation that came before. If there was no Iloveoov we wouldn't have the same highest level of Starcraft because maybe no one would have been able to prove how strong Macro truly was. It isn't just because of me that I have this attitude toward old gamers. When I look at interviews of Starcraft players themselves, none of them seem to think wow this dude sucks in regards to old gamers. Do you guys recall that game where Yellow beat Bisu when July got so pissed off because of the attitude of the "fans"? He was so angry because it felt so disrespectful to treat it like a miracle that this legend could even win a game. How many of you remember this interview with Boxer after beating Flash while in the Air Force? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=54809 It seems like time passes by fast. When older players lose to young players, the shock is greater than losing to other people. I cannot erase the feeling that I am being forgotten faster. So I clenched my teeth during the game today. I don’t want to be forgotten. All the players on Air Force Ace, these might be the last times we can ever see them. If my last thoughts of a player were "wow this dude sucks" and I were to tell him that when it's something guaranteed to happen to every Starcraft player. How do you think Boxer would feel when he is already this down on himself for not being able to play as well as he wishes? As a fan shouldn't one consider how the players feel? Because what does a fan do other than support the ones they cheer for? If I really wanted to support someone wouldn't it be best to try to see things in a way that makes them happy, than makes me happy? It's just the attitude that these legends suck so bad makes me think of Kanye West doing this while Boxer gives this interview http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=54809 | ||
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Promises
Netherlands1821 Posts
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bEsT[Alive]
606 Posts
Everyone is a bandwagon fan. Everyone. You like watching players play because they are good. Sure there are some oddballs here and there that you like for style or whatever, but the bottom line is, no matter how many ridiculous strategies a player attempts, he will get no fans and no recognition unless he wins with them. Okay, HB we get it. You know what a fan is; however, you should know the difference between a bandwagon and a fan. Not everyone is a bandwagoner. There are those faithful who stick by their team through and through for whatever reason, for example territorial patriotism. Look at Michael Jordan. 100% of his fans are bandwagon fans. And those guys who cheered against him? Also bandwagon fans. Every single SK Telecom fan? Bandwagon fan. There's nothing wrong with that. See above. This is a far cry from an Editorial. Like I said before, it's a rant. So you want to rev up the crowd and make them cheer louder. No problem with that. Hell, life would be boring without sports and everyone agreeing with everyone else. I love adding more fuel to the fire myself. Just the other night I was at the Leafs game with my Dad. I cheered for Toronto and jeered at New York louder than anyone else. Hell, I even yelled "Brashear's a fucking pansy" at the top of my lungs during the 2nd period. We were only 22 rows back. You know what happened after that scrimmage? Donald got a penalty. I like to think I had an impact on that call. Fans can impact the game and momentum in a match. It's true. The bandwagoners started their boos halfway during that period and you know what? I continued to cheer them on with my Dad. I know our team sucks, but there is no need for us to vocalize it by booing. We get it. You are loyal to CJ. That's fine. I'm a loyal fan to my Toronto Maple Leafs and MBC. You and I are good. I'm a realist; you seem to be a realist (I think CJ has some stiff competition this year when it comes to taking the trophy home). With that said, remember one thing: there is a difference between a fan and some bandwagon coming out of left field. | ||
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ghostWriter
United States3302 Posts
This is a great article, but there's a difference between liking someone when they are good and contining to like them even when they fall off and just always cheering for whoever the best player is at the time. | ||
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Eeevil
Netherlands359 Posts
I wonder if there will be a third point of view. | ||
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NrG.Bamboo
United States2756 Posts
But I don't really like people for their skill as much as how fun it is to watch them, and what kind of a person they are behind the gaming. from last nights games + Show Spoiler + I am now a Ryan/SangHo[Shield] fan, the dude looks like he could hit a jukebox to make it work again. Guy looks cool as hell I'm almost sad to think about WeMade making it far in the proleague this season, because then there would be more fans, and I kind of like cheering for the underdog/being part of a small group of fanboys. | ||
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