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drivec
United States354 Posts
On October 20 2009 00:14 Sunyveil wrote: BackHo is still the best player on the planet in my book. <3 backho he may not always win but all his games are fun to watch. never plays the same twice it seems. | ||
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iFU.pauline
France1728 Posts
this comment sucks a lot. and btw i found the game funnier to play back then coze we weren't really stuck with a fast expand almost always necessarily which made most of the mu with terran and protoss much more aggressive...That doesn't mean we don't enjoy starcraft game play present day... Now about the old players, no need to talk how low was the level 8 years ago, we all know that Flash Jaedong SkyHigh are now far better, but we can grant the fact that players such as Boxer, fOru GORUSH wtf... are still here and still all have some very good mu, gorush can still take down ANY FUCKIN BODY he's doing army and he's the same guy that won WCG 2000... And you call them grand pa  while every time you see a bunker rush you see boxer, every time you see carrier you see Grrrr...It's not like we don't acknowledge new good players, Calm is the next fury and Flash is going God Mode. | ||
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Count9
China10928 Posts
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Vasoline73
United States8070 Posts
Hilarious although somewhat sad. I really liked this article more than the Backseat Broodwar, just because it's more in line with the way I feel. I have alot of respect for old gamers, but I would much rather watch Flash play than Boxer or Nada play. Much rather watch Bisu play than Nal_Ra. Personally I thought Heritage was pretty boring minus Boxer/Yellow and I've always been sort of annoyed by the whole "remember the days where Gods walked amongst us", "there's a reason Bisu, Jaedong, Flash call so-so hyung"... kind of talk. Yeah it's cause they're older. And of course respected, but not every fan has to pretend to be excited to see old gamers play now just so they don't look like bandwagoners. And do I get excited when I open up the OSL or MSL offline prelim threads to see if Boxer or Yellow advanced? Of course. Would Boxer or Yellow getting to the semis or finals of a Starleague be way more exciting/epic than Flash getting there? Hell yes. I would kill to see a comeback like that. But that would imply they got good again.. and until that happens, I don't really care to see too many of their games. That's just the truth. On a side note, I still really enjoyed reading backseat broodwar and it's annoying that everyone is hating on it. Both of these articles are not entirely serious and should be read as entertainment with a bit of food for thought. Loved it Hot_Bid! | ||
disciple
9071 Posts
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Slow Motion
United States6960 Posts
It always annoyed me when people say that they're "true" fans, or that they like a team or player for the "right" reasons. There's no reason to shit all over someone else's enjoyment of the game. | ||
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okum
France5779 Posts
*brings out the popcorn* | ||
Hot_Bid
Braavos36401 Posts
On October 20 2009 01:50 Vasoline73 wrote: I have no idea who this guy is but I know he's better than Boxer. Hilarious although somewhat sad. I really liked this article more than the Backseat Broodwar, just because it's more in line with the way I feel. I have alot of respect for old gamers, but I would much rather watch Flash play than Boxer or Nada play. Much rather watch Bisu play than Nal_Ra. Personally I thought Heritage was pretty boring minus Boxer/Yellow and I've always been sort of annoyed by the whole "remember the days where Gods walked amongst us", "there's a reason Bisu, Jaedong, Flash call so-so hyung"... kind of talk. Yeah it's cause they're older. And of course respected, but not every fan has to pretend to be excited to see old gamers play now just so they don't look like bandwagoners. And do I get excited when I open up the OSL or MSL offline prelim threads to see if Boxer or Yellow advanced? Of course. Would Boxer or Yellow getting to the semis or finals of a Starleague be way more exciting/epic than Flash getting there? Hell yes. I would kill to see a comeback like that. But that would imply they got good again.. and until that happens, I don't really care to see too many of their games. That's just the truth. On a side note, I still really enjoyed reading backseat broodwar and it's annoying that everyone is hating on it. Both of these articles are not entirely serious and should be read as entertainment with a bit of food for thought. Loved it Hot_Bid! Word. Its possible to respect older players while still liking newer ones. I think the other article tried to say that but it got drowned out by a chorus of fast-twitch fans that just read the article wrong. | ||
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nomyst
Sweden2 Posts
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Gustav_Wind
United States646 Posts
Hot_Bid is the best staff writer by a mile. | ||
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Elroi
Sweden5600 Posts
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Chef
10810 Posts
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eMbrace
United States1300 Posts
"Good read" does not translate to "I agree with your article and therefore I enjoyed it." Stop putting people below you. I actually disagreed with several points, such as calling savior a bad player, when he's actually a pretty solid Z compared to many -- just no longer dominant. This is why I took this article humoursly because I understood the general message you were trying to get across, even though your points were a bit far fetched. Some old players are pretty bad, but there are a good few who still play solid Starcraft, and as long as they are getting paid to play they have the right to be criticized and comapred to current, more skillful players. So yes, I enjoyed reading your article for the simple reason that it was well presented. Deal with it. | ||
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disciple
9071 Posts
On October 20 2009 01:55 Hot_Bid wrote: Word. Its possible to respect older players while still liking newer ones. I think the other article tried to say that but it got drowned out by a chorus of fast-twitch fans that just read the article wrong. so its the readers fault An article is not a poem or any sort of work of art. If ppl understand the words inside too directly or simply doesnt like whats written, its not a sign of bad writing quality. I dont see why ppl should auto-like and approve the statements in the article. If you love what you've done and think about it "damn, I'm so good and everything I sad is 100% correct" it doesnt mean I should think the same. | ||
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Divinek
Canada4045 Posts
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Vasoline73
United States8070 Posts
On October 20 2009 02:15 disciple wrote: so its the readers fault An article is not a poem or any sort of work of art. If ppl understand the words inside too directly or simply doesnt like whats written, its not a sign of bad writing quality. I dont see why ppl should auto-like and approve the statements in the article. If you love what you've done and think about it "damn, I'm so good and everything I sad is 100% correct" it doesnt mean I should think same. Yeah because Hot_Bid totally said "damn I'm the man 100% yoyo" It's not disrespecting old gamers at all assuming that's what you're mad about and I think that's pretty obvious | ||
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iNcontroL
USA29055 Posts
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TwilightStar
United States649 Posts
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da_head
Canada3350 Posts
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Loophole
United States867 Posts
On October 20 2009 00:02 Hot_Bid wrote: And it sucked when Brood War players could only control one group of units and had 2000/1000 in the bank after microing a group of marines for two minutes (hi BoxeR). It sucked when Brood War players had to specifically design a strategy around not making a lot of workers because they were just that bad at macro (hi YellOw). No it didn't. That's your preference, it's not fact. You're being a little elitist in your anti-elitist argument. On October 20 2009 00:02 Hot_Bid wrote: Everyone is a bandwagon fan. Everyone. You like watching players play because they are good. Sure there are some oddballs here and there that you like for style or whatever, but the bottom line is, no matter how many ridiculous strategies a player attempts, he will get no fans and no recognition unless he wins with them. Are you really going to tell me that I can't like Flash because other people like him? I'm the biggest Ma Jae Yoon fan there is. I stick by him through thick and thin. Why am I a fan? Because he was ridiculously good. I agree with your sentiment that people shouldn't be ridiculed for being a bandwagon fan, but everyone is not a bandwagon fan. You're not even a bandwagon fan. Regardless of why you began liking him, if you stick with him through thick and thin... that means you are not a bandwagon fan. Being a bandwagon fan means you don't support your team/player when they are not playing well. People are often fans because of some connection they have with the team or player. That connection can be anything from a feeling, to fondly remembered experience, to a preference for the location of a mole on their face. To say that people all become fans of someone because they were the best at what they did is pretty shortsighted, IMHO. | ||
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