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On July 03 2009 07:38 BloodyC0bbler wrote: OK first off I AM RUNNING FOR OFFICE I am already seeing idiocy of players that has led to many vets getting insanely discouraged with playing these games. I appreciate Plexa for trying to make this game interesting with the addition of different roles, tweaking how some work, and the addition of fog. Now lets outline why I should be in office. You make it sound as if your campaign is "I'm smart, you're all idiots, that's why I should be in office" | ||
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On July 03 2009 14:12 motbob wrote: A solid campaign, considering how the elected officials acted in Pyrr's game. EDIT: took out unnecessary "the" Which is exactly my point. JeeJee ran under the premise he was experienced, and he was one of the main reasons the town lost. | ||
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On July 03 2009 14:40 Pyrrhuloxia wrote: Well, not much else to talk about until day post / voting thread, I guess. Oh I beg to differ. We've got elections to worry about. I know you're hard set on your vote but with only three candidates there's a lot to worry about. | ||
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On July 03 2009 16:07 HeavOnEarth wrote: soo. i wonder if mafia players have their roles yet That is by far the most useless post in this topic, and that's quite a feat considering there's already a bunch of other useless posts. | ||
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On July 03 2009 16:13 BloodyC0bbler wrote: And hey a bunch of useless posts by you. Heres some tips for you. Stop just insulting people and post something useful towards the town, like possible avenues for the town to win, or to deal with mafia, etc... we have three people running for office, of those three two have provided some form of platform, So concentrate on voting for two people. This creates as L said, vote lists to check later. Oh yes I'm sorry, I should be listening to you because you're smarter than me and a better player than me right? Even though you hardly know anything about me you must be a better player than me, it only makes sense. The fact that you think my posts are useless (I know some of them are relax) just shows how annoying you are. And I'll be damned if when you're elected Emperor you don't lynch MrBabyHands; I'm sure you're just going to wait until tomorrow to actually start figuring out the mafia. See I've competently lead(along with sog) a town to victory in a elected position, and we manhandled the mafia. The people I've talked to seem to think this is an incredible exaggeration, but I'm going to assume that's just a minor discrepancy. | ||
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On July 04 2009 01:48 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote: ... And it's a better reason than reducing mafia kp night 1 by voting for foggy? Praytell, redtooth, what trickery is this? On a sidenote i wish this is how the weather was like in real life. Don't want to go to school today? Vote snow!! Even if you were an assassin, using a kill the first night when there's not as much information to go around is risky. Assassins are better off waiting until we can pin down for sure suspects. Right now fog is probably the best option, go read through Pyrry's and BC's posts as they have the best reasoning. | ||
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On July 04 2009 06:10 HeavOnEarth wrote: Actually, at this point i believe BC is town aligned and i encourage people to vote for him as he will have mine. Earlier you said that you can "almost guarentee" that one of you, L, and BC is the Godfather. Based on this statement, does that mean you now think L is the Godfather? Unless you want to claim to be the Godfather instead... | ||
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On July 04 2009 06:24 JeeJee wrote: I run for office. That's a joke right? | ||
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On July 04 2009 07:47 Pyrrhuloxia wrote: This has gotta be the least active game ever nothing has really happened in the last 6 hours. I guess JeeJee started running and Heavonearth finally gave a platform but meh. Not good for town. How's this not good for the town? | ||
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I realize that there is a whole slew of problems with this, such as choosing another person who's innocent, DT randomly dying anyways, etc. It's just an idea. | ||
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On July 05 2009 05:53 MrBabyHands wrote: so it looks like emperor will either be L or BC. provided they're innocent, either would make good a good emp. but not as good as me. although its a little late, since we have lots of hours left to vote and since the votes look about even, i'd like to announce my run for emperor. i could write a post about why i'm qualified and other assorted crap, but i honestly dont think it'd make a difference-- we're all familiar with each others playing styles. so i made some quick notes instead: -i pretty much just need the BG protection while i analyze -i run a tight ship, i'm not easy to trick, and i'm accurate -it'll be easy to tell if i'm dirty: with BG protection, i have no reason to lay low. which means if i'm innocent i'll be actively hunting the mafia (and getting them too). anyway-- thats my platform. vote for the babyhands. I assume you're just running for emperor because you know L/BC are going to lynch you first, which explains you're lack of any useful information. And if you do happen to get elected, if you don't kill a mafia first night I'm sure BC/L and other important players are going to move to lynch you the next day. That being said I'm sure you've already figured out someone who is mafia (under the assumption that you are not mafia of course) so you should just probably come out with it now, or at the very least PM the important people about it. Either way you're time alive is very short, if you have useful information you're better off sharing it, not making useless posts about running for emperor with some "quick notes" that are as useless as JeeJee's campaign. | ||
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On July 06 2009 03:10 L wrote: I don't really mind sacrificing the priest to absorb a night's worth of hits, but we didn't need to go and kill off MBH specifically to make that threat. The moment ANYONE is killed and ressed, he is confirmed. The side advantage of hitting someone who has a higher proportion chance of being mafia is that on the odd chance that the hit flips red, we gain a massive amount of information and get rather ahead in the game. Earlier you had stated if elected you would've killed BC. Your reasoning makes it sound that BC should've killed you instead of MrBabyHands. You're advocating that killing MrBabyHands was a bad idea (or at the very least, there was better options) yet the other alternative that YOU suggest would be BC killing you. That being said, had it still been up to you, who would you have lynched that's not BC? | ||
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On July 06 2009 06:54 Pyrrhuloxia wrote: BONUS: JeeJee: "also shikyo is mafia" That is by far the most brilliant post in this mafia game. | ||
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On July 06 2009 12:41 Faronel wrote: Edit: Is it at all possible that both bockit and vx70gto are mafia? Do you have any reasons why you suspect this? | ||
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On July 06 2009 14:59 HeavOnEarth wrote: so like, L's posts are getting buried under a lot of shit. You need to change that "shit" to "good analysis", then move the shit in between "L's" and "posts", then change sad face to happy face. All better! | ||
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On July 07 2009 01:37 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote: Also, I do not think ydg's posts are deliberately misleading at all, but rather reflect someone simply changing his mind as he learns more about the game. Some of your analysis is off as well BC. You need to read posts in the context of the thread, not in a vacuum. For example ydg goes "if the priest roleclaims publicaly, once we have the mafia down to 4 kp, put all angels on him and vote rain every day, mafia can never kill the priest." You takes this and reply with "Ydg wants us to concentrate on finding out who the priest is." This seems to me like a deliberate twisting of his words - ydg posted a possible plan of action in the case of the priest publically revealing himself - not a plan to figure out the priest, which could only be done through clues. It's a stupid plan and obviously not worth the effort, but maybe that is why absolutely nobody replied to it! The entirety of your post is like this. I'm not going to discuss every piece of it. It really gives off the impression that you are grasping at straws here, rather than forming an insightful analysis of someone's postings. My advice applies to everyone: READ POSTS IN THE CONTEXT OF THE THREAD, NOT IN A VACUUM iNfuNdiBuLuM, you have abstained from voting thus far. If you really think ydg is innocent, why have you not taken any direct action against it? The vote (at least right now) is close and you have yet to accuse anyone else or suggest that someone else be lynched instead of ydg. That being said, the summary of your post here reads, "We should not listen to BC, but I could care less who dies". It seems to me you are against BC, not against ydg being lynched. | ||
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On July 07 2009 06:29 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote: And yes, at this point I think ydg is innocent. I would prefer not lynch him. If he does get lynched, his alignment will play a large part in how we think about BC. Are we willing to give up a day just for that, when he can be rolechecked? Also, I take it we are not double lynching today? BC hasn't said anything about that I don't think. Personally I don't think we have any strong enough suspects to o a double lynch. If we do it next day, we can create 2 lists to be checked as long as Fog isn't voted in. Do you think the DT's are in a good position to be list checking right now? I believe it was previously discussed that list checkings are useful only if coordinated properly. It seems a bit early for that to be happening. Not to mention, 13 people still haven't voted. What if none of the pledges have voted yet? So much for list checking.... | ||
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On July 07 2009 07:26 L wrote: Haha, Ace and I were having a chat about you being a retard before you posted this. Then you posted this and confirmed it. No matter how you slice it, you're on tricode/vivi levels of stupid. And now, back to reading. You conspire with Ace? Now I know that you are indeed as bad as him. It's a good thing you believe in MrBabyHands because I would not expect someone of your level to grasp the behavioral analysis he performs. I'm sure you would much rather gloat in your clue analysis as you drown out all the actual useful posts in the mafia game. If I was trying to sabotage the town I'd surely use your posts as a guide. I'll give you some credit for not being as bad as JeeJee though. | ||
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On July 07 2009 08:31 LucasWoJ wrote: Can someone tell me if it's worth reading Foolishness's post above? I assume it's filled with useless troll crap that is meant to derail the thread, but if there's something useful I'll take the time to go through it. You're so funny, and original. You realize that you're trolling now too along with me? But I guess now I have irony to laugh at, when instead you could've told me to pay attention and read L's post, and then I would have been doing something productive. I can only assume you didn't read the post either. | ||
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On July 07 2009 08:40 LucasWoJ wrote: You're slow. Aren't you happy to be trolling with me? Doesn't it make you proud? You are now an active troll with me! You are now part of the same thing you set out to get rid of. Congrats! | ||
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On July 07 2009 08:44 LucasWoJ wrote: You impress me. I'm flattered! In all honesty I'm glad you were able to have this conversation with me. You impressed me as well, although probably not in the same way as I can only guess at the meaning behind your words. | ||
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On July 07 2009 10:38 L wrote: And for irony's sake: Like you, pyrr and foolishness did when I posted my analysis of truthbringer? He hasn't shown up either. By your very own logic, you should realize that people who aren't in your little cabal should switch votes, and switch votes now. I don't think that anyone has defended truthbringer at all, it seemed to me that BC wanted to kill ydg over truthbringer. However if you're talking about us burying the posts then I can't deny that. You seem to think that I'm all friendly friendly with BC. Let me clarify some things for you. I am in no way associated with BC nor do I ever intend on it. If you look back in the thread I was yelling at his campaign the first day. I think BC is a terrible player and I cannot wait for MBH is revived so the two of you will shut up. Yes, I know I voted for him, but given the choice between the two of you I simply chose who I thought would be the lesser of two evils, and for the most part I feel it's better to vote than to abstain. And as for the ydg vote, I suspected him the first day and that's why I voted for him again (although I will admit I am also suspicious of TruthBringer). So please don't associate me with that idiot. | ||
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On July 08 2009 05:18 So no fek wrote: I think either would be viable today, however, if we went with rain, a medic list might be a good idea. List checks could be very helpful (and in extreme cases may more than make up for the +1 KP), but ideally with rain, we'd want to knock the overnight kills to 4, if not even lower, so we make up for the -1 KP for fog. A medic list is only going to give mafia potential targets to kill. Unless they have already figured out the priest or other blue roles. | ||
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On July 10 2009 00:12 Bockit wrote: 3) L made it abundantly clear that he suspected BC and wanted to lynch him. And would you look at that? He's dead. Vote to lynch BC. Do you honestly think BC is dumb enough to kill L if we was mafia? I'm pretty sure he could anticipate people thinking this. If anything, L's death shows BC is NOT mafia, because the mafia are trying to get us to lynch the Emperor | ||
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On July 10 2009 00:45 inertinept wrote: either way we can't lynch the emporer this early. that would be "foolishness" You're vocabulary is outstanding | ||
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On July 10 2009 00:46 Bockit wrote: Yes, but he's not dumb. If he didn't kill L, who had his sights set on BC I'm glad you agree, L could have easily convinced the town to lynch BC today. L is the only guy the town has really been following and is a very persuasive person when he wants to be. So on the assumption BC is mafia, he could let L live, and risk a pretty likely lynch on himself, or, he could kill L, and hope the town a) is now directionless or b) falls into the 'do you think x is stupid enough to do y' trap. I honestly don't think L would've convinced the town to lynch BC. Unless MyBabyHands came out and said so. Based on the events that happened yesterday, both BC and L have made it pretty clear that there are some suspectful mafia to be killing. There are definitely better lynches to be taking care of than BC. | ||
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On July 08 2009 09:19 LucasWoJ wrote: Mafia. On July 08 2009 12:44 LucasWoJ wrote: You're mafia as well. On July 09 2009 09:32 LucasWoJ wrote: mafia. On July 10 2009 00:19 LucasWoJ wrote: mafia. I'm about to have a field day with this. | ||
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On July 10 2009 03:24 LucasWoJ wrote: You're so mafia it's not even funny. Added to my list. | ||
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TruthBringer (obviously since he was mafia) ecomania Kuja900 motbob Scaramanga redtooth (who later changed to abstain which Pyrry called him on) Then, at this point, the vote was 12-10 with TruthBringer barely hanging on. Then another two votes for ydg occurred, chaoser Scamp (now known was suicide bomber) The score was actually tied at this point, but then two more votes for TruthBringer along with redtooth's abstain made TruthBringer the leader. The fact that all these votes occurred to make it a tie easily shows there was probably some mafia bandwagoning by the above people. Furthermore looking at the election votes, here's how the above people played out: BC: TruthBringer, Scaramange L: ecomania, motbob, chaoser Abstain: Redtooth Did not vote: Kuja900, Scamp That is a nice spread over the election votes. As we know mafia needs to spread out their votes due to fear of list checks and simply because it's easier to hide. | ||
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On July 10 2009 04:37 redtooth wrote: pyrr makes me want to hate this game... And this is by far the best post made. | ||
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On July 10 2009 05:06 Pyrrhuloxia wrote: well its true last time BC and I gunned at each other we were both innocent but BC wasn't hallucinating color changes and youtube video scenes that game. Do you realize that if BC dies and he's innocent, the town is essentially screwed? I know we have assassins and stuff, but without double lynches and without any direction mafia have an easy win once BC dies. Despite the fact that you are sure that BC is mafia, if BC turns out innocent you pretty much lost the game for us. Don't you remember JeeJee from the game you hosted? I suggest you go back and look at it, because right now you are pulling a JeeJee. | ||
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On July 10 2009 05:28 Pyrrhuloxia wrote: Question for Plexa: "When to activate Double Lynch ability? You can let me know by PM that you wish to use a double lynch in the night before you want to use it. You can also announce a double lynch during the day of voting. If you choose this option the time allocated for voting will be increased." Does this mean the Double Lynch is already activated because BC talked about intending to activate it in the thread? I'm sure if BC activated it we have to wait for Plexa to announce it. So whenever he comes back online I'm sure he'll say something. And he extends the amount of time we have so there's nothing to be worried about. | ||
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On July 10 2009 05:44 LucasWoJ wrote: Did ya shoot me or somethin'? How can I be dead already? EDIT: Also Pyrr, when you're town aligned, you're usually a much smarter than this. Take note of what other veterans have done: ignore a blatant troll. MBH thinks I'm green as well: That's a direct quote. haha most everyone has been ignoring you as well, "blatant troll" | ||
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On July 10 2009 06:36 BloodyC0bbler wrote: and L had foolishness as a suspect as a potential mafia based on voting habits. I don't ever recall this happening. | ||
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On July 10 2009 06:50 StorrZerg wrote: i feel sad no one bothers to pm me I'm actually quite jealous of you, considering the idiots in this game that I have to try to work with. | ||
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On July 10 2009 06:49 motbob wrote: If you're not trying to "point" at anybody, why did you make that huge post with clue analysis at the end? So weird I'm trying to figure out the same thing. The easiest answer is that he's an idiot. | ||
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On July 10 2009 06:53 BloodyC0bbler wrote: eh, when you have someone telling you not to let L become town leader, when his analysis gave us a red. then reread an L post where he has that person bolded, and reread the new day post and see something that weak links combined with the fact he didnt give all of information makes him look slightly fishy. ie its not a guarenteed 100% on lucas atm. I've never seen foolish play before, and Lucas is playing differently than when hes normally red, so either both could be town wanting the other dead, both red pointing fingers, or one red, one town. Do you not understand that L's a complete moron? The whole point of me backing you up is because you are far more competent that he is. So he found a mafia big deal, anyone can find mafia. The point is is that he's an idiot and you're only slightly stupid. | ||
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On July 10 2009 06:59 StorrZerg wrote: Slightly Stupid > idiot i see the logic in that The lack of intelligence in this game makes me angry. Hard to make good metaphors when you're typing out of rage. | ||
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On July 10 2009 07:32 Pyrrhuloxia wrote: FYI Foolishness has been trying to get me to back off of BC. This leads me to believe either BC and Foolishness are both Mafia, neither are mafia, or BC alone is mafia. I can't see why Foolishness would try to break up a fight between BC and I if he was mafia and BC wasn't. I do think I remember L being suspicious of Foolishness at one point. That's a really good clue that BC has bolded but I continue to be suspicious of some of his actions this game, and I don't think BC can be an innocent while Foolishness is guilty. Saccing to re-establish cred? I dunno, I'm somewhat baffled this game to be honest. I think I have redtooth caught and a bunch of shit happens and I lose focus and that seems to be happening to everyone. Alright I'm going to spell this out for you slowly. I hope you'll understand. Both Pyrry and BC have claimed I have sent them messages telling them to stop accusing the other person. This is very true. Let's try to outline the cases: 1) I am mafia, and one of BC/Pyrry is mafia. This doesn't make much sense, as I'd only send the message to one of them and not both. I would be trying to help get the other person lynched. 2) I am mafia, none of BC/Pyrry are mafia. This makes no sense as I would enjoy laughing on the sidelines watching two innocents kill each other. 3) I am innocent and both BC/Pyrry are innocent. AHA! NOW IT ALL MAKES SENSE! If I am innocent, and I think both BC and Pyrry are innocent then it's obvious that there is nothing to be gained from BC and Pyrry trying to kill each other. It makes sense that I would try to break it up (and then work with them) in order to try to kill potential mafia. The way I see it, two innocents are trying to get each other killed, this is obviously bad. I have left out a few cases but those are trivial (at least I hope they are). Let's examine what the mafia is doing. I looked up at the town list just recently, and counted the number of people that had not posted at all or had made a small amount of posts. I counted eleven people (obviously, this number is somewhat subjective). Where do you think the mafia are people? Do you think they are in the group of me, redtooth, Lucas, BC, Pyrry, arguing incessently among themselves? Or, are they sitting back in the group of eleven people doing nothing and watching things happen? Should be an obvious answer. THE MAFIA ARE SITTING BACK DOING NOTHING. It's pretty clear that probably none of the mafia members have posted recently. What need is there to post when five of the townspeople are trying to kill each other? This is why I tried to break up the BC/Pyrry fight. It's in no way helping the town. In fact, it's helping the mafia. At this point, let me say something about ecomania. I believe that ecomania is a mafia, as well as a safe lynch today. (Yes I know we got two lynches to work with). As I stated in my previous post, which I'm sure none of you read, ecomania is a contributer to the mass ydg voting that almost got ydg killed over TruthBringer. This was an obvious attempt by the mafia to save TruthBringer, as they were able to tie the vote at one point, and almost succeed in killing ydg. On July 08 2009 00:38 ecomania wrote: I don't get it why there are 3 guys randomly voting to lynch me. Both L's and BC's analysis seemed pretty solid to me, so I chose to abstain first. But now that ydg is voting for me I'm just going with him ;P Or was time for voting already up? I'm getting confused with the time zones... This was an obvious cover up. He didn't want to just change votes without saying anything as that would make him look more suspicious. ecomania has also done a marvelous job of contributing without posting anything useful or helpful to the town. Consider: On July 05 2009 23:08 ecomania wrote: A clue about the priest will be revealed on the first night tho. So if the mafia find out who the priest is, they can pick him off before he has finished reviving MBH and MBH will be silenced even longer. I guess one of the angels should protect the priest, so the revival process won't fail. On July 05 2009 21:57 ecomania wrote: I'm sorry, that I seem so inactive to you, BC. In fact, I tried to contribute something to the thread, but I failed to find any good clues in the day post, nor have I found any leads while googling for the players names/phrases from the day post. I thought it would be kind of unnecessary to just post stuff like "Ye, fog seems pretty good, reduce KP and find out how many pledges there are n stuff". So I just kept reading the thread and submitted my weather/emperor votes. As for why I voted L for emperor, I'm being honest with you that I don't know your playing styles from previous games, but you guys seemed both equally competent. It was actually nothing but this phrase of yours "I am already seeing idiocy of players that has led to many vets getting insanely discouraged with playing these games." that sounded pretty arrogant to me and made me vote for L. I guess I should've just abstained from voting and let people with more experience do the voting. Well, from now on I'll try harder to participate in the clue analysis and bring forth our hunt on the mafia. The second of these came after BC put ecomania on his suspicious list. As we can see, ecomania is clearly dodging everything that's said. His first post merely restates what had already been said numerous times. His second post is his defense on lack of contributing. He finds contributing "unnecessary" so he just "[reads] the thread and submitted [his] weather/emperor votes". He also states he will try to participate and help with clue analysis. You shouldn't need me to tell you that none of that has happened. DONT BE FOOLED BY THE BC AND PYRRY FIGHT. Both of these people are clearly innocent and fighting over nothing. It's obvious that ecomania should be lynched. At the very least, it's much safer to kill ecomania than to try to kill BC or Pyrry. BC and Pyrry are both active contributors (although both are stupid), and we can be nearly certain mafia are sitting back hiding among the inactives. | ||
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On July 10 2009 07:56 Pyrrhuloxia wrote: Dude, you didn't kill TB, tb was already gonna die when you changed. Pyrry you're wrong. The vote was tied at 12-12. Then redtooth changed to abstain, putting TB in the lead. | ||
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DONT LISTEN TO PYRRY OR BC! I can help the town win but I think we can all agree both Pyrry and BC cannot. Just ignore whatever they have to say. I tried to work with them and failed miserably, don't suffer the same fate as me. | ||
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On July 10 2009 08:14 redtooth wrote: and you knew exactly how the tiebreaker worked? seriously, how many people in the game knew for sure how that worked? still want to push the idea you "got me in a trap" and that i'm a surefire "idiot pledge"? Just ignore Pyrry. He's an idiot townsperson who's going to help lose the game. Listen to reason not to Pyrry or BC. I have laid out good reasoning on who we should be focusing on. Just ignore Pyrry and BC and let them cry. | ||
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On July 10 2009 08:37 Pyrrhuloxia wrote: @ redtooth and foolishness: alright maybe, maybe I made a mistake, (and in a sense I didn't because TB was winning the tiebreaker) but I think it's fucked up you're calling me useless with all the effort I'm putting into this. I found TB trying to out the priests, and maybe I'm a bit distracted with BC making shit up and now redtooth trying to kill me as a personal vendetta but I'm still trying to right the ship here. I realize you are trying to make things right, but you're going about it in the worst way possible. BC isn't helping the situation either. | ||
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On July 10 2009 11:18 inertinept wrote: no one really cares if your mafia or village lucaswoj. you deserve to die either way at this point. Don't you think that way of thinking is a bit illogical? | ||
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I wouldn't expect a response from someone who has only made a few posts, most of which were early on in the game. =( | ||
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THE MAFIA ARE HIDING. Look at the player list and count the number of people who have never posted or have only posted a few times. There are quite a few people that fall into this count. Also notice that some of these people have always voted, and some had voted for ydg which almost got ydg lynched over TruthBringer. Among these people are ecomania, kuja900, motbob, and chaoser. Since the vote was close, it would make sense the mafia would try to save TruthBringer. THINK LOGICALLY ABOUT THIS! Does it make sense for mafia to be among: BC, LucasWoJ, Pyrry, ydg, me, redtooth? Or are the mafia inactive and hiding? If BC, Pyrry, Lucas, me, ydg, etc were mafia (or one or a few of us were mafia), it makes no sense for us to be drawing attention to ourselves, especially right now at a crucial point in the game. The mafia are watching us fight over each other. Even if one of us are mafia, we're still active contributers and it doesn't make sense to kill us right now (especially BC since he can double lynch). vote for ecomania and kuja900. Based on the posts by Pyrry and myself this is the safest choice of action. It may turn out that one or maybe both are not mafia. However we will know by watching the votes and seeing if there is a bandwagon for one over the other or for another person altogether, similar how it became apparent ydg was innocent and TruthBringer was mafia. | ||
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On July 11 2009 05:14 Malongo wrote: That was not what I asked you BC stop dodging. You called YDG to be mafia remember? What happens now? you dont think he is mafia anymore? And you call that shit about inerpinept a clue? Townies please read the thread. Please look at the clues our "good clue analist" has provided. The only good clue analysis you made was vx70GTOJudgexv -> BERSERKER -> Rage, hate. And guess what: he was our priest!! Not just that: he posted that the same fucking day the clue came! If you are not mafia you are helping the mafia too much period. Im tired of this: Why is BC mafia? 1- Im sure there was a mafia running for the office. Im pretty sure thats the best thing you can do with the GF why?? Why were you SOOOO interested in getting checked? yeah... I remember reading in the thread that pyrri asked if it was good or not for the GF to run. The answer is simple: Yes. The only important thing you can do with the GF is to break avoc in the office. Obviously with checkable emperor the first thing that would happen is that the emperor is going to get checked. Why wasnt mafia that much afraid of losing GF? Because it has replacement. For them GF is just like another mafia. Now remember L? yeah that guy that you called a moron and was working for the town? Yeah: L: "PRETTY SURE ONE OF THE RUNNERS IS MAFIA". Ehm. L is dead. HEEEELLLLOOOOO!!!! 2- Your CLUES SUCK ASS. Look at that about Pyrri looking for 3:14 and those videos. Look at that shit about inerpinept. You have done nothing 0 shit to help the town with your clues. Inert->petrified? inept->???? that is bullshit man that is not a clue that is missleading really i dont understand how people can buy that. More important than that YOU ARE THE LEADER OF THE TOWN YET HAVE PROPOSED AND VOTED FOR ABOUT 10 Different people: araav?? ydg?? pyrrhuloxia?? Kuja? Inertinept?? I have never seen a WORST OFFICE IN TERMS OF LEADERSHIP. 3- Look at all the people that has MADE THE CONECTION IN 1: THEY ARE DEAD. So no fek, L whos next? malongo? so no fek: + Show Spoiler + Another thing to consider would be the "if mafia ran for Emperor, who would it be?". Four people ran (think JeeJee ran jokingly, but never followed up past his post), MBH, L, BC, and HeavOnEarth. MBH is a (dead) confirmed townie. HeavOnEarth pulled out of the race, and supported BC. BC won and became Emperor. L lost. Truthbringer was the first to vote for BC, with no reasoning. He also supported ydg's lynching, not sure off the top of my head if he posted his reasons. L was the one that did the analysis of TruthBringer, which led to us lynching a mafia. At the moment, I personally think that if any of the candidates was mafia, BC would be the strongest suspect, which would put is in a tough situation. The only real evidence against him (if you look at it in a negative light - it could also be positive if it works), is killing MBH. If he's mafia, he gets rid of one of the best players for two days, and gets a decent chance to snipe the priest before MBH is resurrected, and thus out of the game for good. However, it shouldn't be seen in an entirely negative light, because if the plan works, MBH can hopefully guide us. If BC turns red, HeavOnEarth could potentially be mafia. The entirety of his campaign was a bit iffy, such as him bowing out and immediately supporting BC, when he himself stated that it was likely the Godfather was among all the candidates. However, that's not to say he is mafia, and much like BC's case, it's all speculation at this point. He abstained from the lynch vote, which doesn't really help the town, but it doesn't hurt it either. One thing to consider is that ydg could still be mafia, though I personally think he's innocent. If he eventually does flip mafia, then most of the suspicions on BC would be lifted. I suppose we can't entirely dismiss L from being mafia at this point, however, I'd say the chance is less than 5% (had to do it). The only way L could be mafia is if it was a mafia ploy to get us trusting him, and then maybe have blues send their roles and all. Which would only really be an option if MBH doesn't get resurrected. People can still choose to form circles, but a mass list of who is who is dangerous, when there is even any doubt of the person's alignment. Another reason L isn't entirely dismissed is the Gosu message. It's possible the message was coincidental, but I think more likely than not, our enemy is toying with us. Such as saying "we're better than you - we can waste a full night's kills and still win the game". In BC's game, L also managed to get away with a lot as mafia (Ver is godfather). However, I think that putting one of your own up on the chopping block AND playing alphabet soup would be pushing it too far. I'm not saying that any of the candidates are mafia, however, if any of them are, I'd say L is the safest bet for being a townie. Dont get fooled townies Lynch BC TODAY HE HAS TROLLED ALL THE GAME And vote Rain too. Thanks. I think you should calm down a bit. I feel your pain but posts like this don't help the town (I'm guilty of doing the same thing earlier today). I suggest you go read the majority of my recent posts as they have more logic and reasoning behind them than anything else said so far (save Pyrry's post against Kuja). | ||
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On July 11 2009 11:01 Falcynn wrote: After all of this...I kind of, in an odd sort of way, hope I get lynched just to see how Pyrr tries to defend himself when I don't turn up red, because honestly, with the way you're pressing for everyone to go out of their way to come after me, you'd look pretty suspicious once I'm proven innocent. That's a terrible way of thinking. As well as very suspicious. | ||
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On July 11 2009 13:10 Bockit wrote: For those that say, "BC is the emperor and the town needs leadership" WHAT LEADERSHIP? The man has just sat there, thrown a whole bunch of names into the thread and laughed. For those that say, "We shouldn't kill our emperor because the double lynches are too important" Take a look at the voting thread, and tell me that the double lynches are helping us out. Yeah that's right, they're not. They need direction to be effective and anyone that initiates a double lynch without the town having direction, or without the intent of giving that direction is either mafia or a townie that is as good as a mafia and should die. Lynch BloodyCobbler So we have to pick a second target for lynch because our friendly neighbourhood emperor decided to initiate a double lynch when we had no direction. At this stage for me, I don't know who to pick for a second vote, there are just way too many people acting up in the thread and I need to reread the past 10 pages. I'll be putting my second vote on BC though because he needs to die and I want to make sure this happens. If you actually go back and read the thread and read the IMPORTANT posts, you will actually see there is a lot of direction to go by. People like you just refuse to read it and comprehend what is actually going on. Instead you focus all your attention on the emperor, and think he should be leading the town. HERES SOME NEWS FOR YOU! WE ACTUALLY HAVE GOOD MAFIA CANDIDATES! Read anything I've posted or that Pyrry has recently posted. If you want I can spell things out for you since I'm sure you didn't do anything more than skim. It's actually really good we have a double lynch today, EXCEPT PEOPLE LIKE YOU ARE THROWING OFF THE VOTING. It is true that there were some very horrendous arguments among the town earlier. But all that is gone now. Since BC has hardly posted anything recently (although what he has posted has been nice contribution), it's very clear THAT YOU CAN JUST IGNORE HIM! JUST BECAUSE BC IS THE EMPEROR DOES NOT MEAN YOU HAVE TO LISTEN TO HIM! A few townspeople (most notably you and Malongo) think we need to kill BC since he has not done anything worthwhile recently. Well there are plenty of other people who have not done anything recently, and there's a much greater chance that they are mafia. I admit that BC pisses me off as well, but the truth is, is that he is not harming the town right now. We actually have good suspects to be lynching, but everybody is tossing around the votes so the good candidates actually get covered up. This includes you. Let me sum it up for you, because it's obvious that you don't actually read all the posts in the thread. BC IS EMPEROR AND SHOULD NOT BE KILLED BECAUSE HES USELESS AND THERE ARE MUCH BETTER CANDIDATES! LISTEN TO PYRRY AND ME I'm just going to go ahead and assume you're going to attack me with, "If he's useless we should just kill him!" because it seems to me you like to make illogical arguments. The point of this game is to kill mafia, not useless people. | ||
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You're reasoning against BC is more along the lines of "He hasn't helped the town as emperor (or he has not been a good leader), therefore he should be killed" My reasoning (as well as Pyrry's) for wanting to lynch people such as ecomania, kuja900, chaoser, is "These people have high possibility of being linked to clues and have strange behaviors as well as voting patterns, therefore they should be killed" You're logic is pretty much a "strawman", good work. And you did not give any good details about why BC should be killed except saying the "1 candidate must be mafia" (which I might add is a bad assumption when there were 3 candidates), and that "everybody who's called him out has been dead". If you were mafia (hypothetically speaking) you would lynch people calling out BC to get the town to turn against him. Outside of this and your 3rd reason of the ydg bandwagon, all you do is refer to Malongo's post instead of providing any of your own opinions on why you think he's mafia. As a side note, the reason I left out part of your post was so that it wouldn't make my post ridiculously long, although I was trying to focus on the one part, I was considering everything you said. | ||
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On July 11 2009 13:53 Scaramanga wrote: Pyrr this game is fucked because everyone is just acusing everyone with shitastic clues, none of the acusations from ANYONE are even HALF sound, none at all Mine are, Pyrry's are. Ours actually include behavior analysis and voting patterns. | ||
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On July 11 2009 13:52 Bockit wrote: And to prove that I have actually read the whole thread, let's go back a few pages shall we? I found this part of your post quite amusing: And a couple of pages ago, what did you say? You are oh so consistent good sir. EDIT: Tags. How about you read something more recent. Pyrry was being an idiot earlier (and I was as well), but we've calmed down and are trying to steer the town in the right direction. You're doing a good job preventing us from doing so. | ||
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On July 11 2009 14:09 motbob wrote: fuck, I don't know whether to vote BC or not. I mean the thing that's really tempting me to do it is the fact that mafia COULD be voting for him, but they're clearly not (because of the Truthbringer - BC vote correlation.) If you were mafia, would you pass up the chance to lynch the mayor? I mean hell, even ecomania isn't voting for BC. But I really want those double lynches... whatever... I'll decide after eSTRO vs stars. Just wait until the last few hours when a bunch of mafia transfer their votes to BC. Same thing happened yesterday. | ||
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On July 11 2009 14:05 Bockit wrote: 3) YDG anti-bandwagon, which you toss aside so lightly, is actually a huge thing, something which has been used in multiple games, many times. As mafia, when someone posts some ridiculously spot on analysis, the easiest way to discredit it is to bring up something else so that it can be drowned out in a sea of posts and ignored. Can you explain what you mean by ydg anti-bandwagon? I just want to make sure I don't misunderstand what you mean as I did previously. | ||
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On July 11 2009 14:15 motbob wrote: This IS the last few hours. Plexa said "voting has been extended a day" 25 hours ago. I thought we had like 4 more hours. oops. At any rate, since Plexa has not been here in a while, voting might get extended another few hours. | ||
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On July 11 2009 14:32 motbob wrote: Foolishness if you feel strongly enough that BC is innocent go ahead and use your second vote on eco... I voted BC twice. Don't worry I got time. | ||
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On July 11 2009 15:40 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote: What's the number or mafia/pledge again? I don't think there'd by any way to tell whether kuja is mafia/pledge short of playing the odds. Or is there another way to figure it out? the problem with voting snow is that towns' clue analysis has been less than subpar so far. voting snow today would give assassins a better clueset for sunny tomorrow, which, I concede, is a good point. Right now there are 3 pledges and 2 mafioso's alive. | ||
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On July 11 2009 15:48 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote: And 1 godfather so 1+1+1+1.5 rounded down = 4. Ok, got it. Go reread the rules on how mafia power is counted. | ||
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On July 11 2009 22:01 chaoser wrote: when have i ever been linked to clues? work that logic center I believed you have been linked to stuff earlier in the thread. If you haven't then my mistake. | ||
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motbob is the godfather Let me detail why he is at the very least mafia, and then the reasoning behind my suspicion of him being the GF. motbob must be mafia because of the voting pattern. Consider his posts just yesterday about BC. On July 11 2009 14:09 motbob wrote: fuck, I don't know whether to vote BC or not. I mean the thing that's really tempting me to do it is the fact that mafia COULD be voting for him, but they're clearly not (because of the Truthbringer - BC vote correlation.) If you were mafia, would you pass up the chance to lynch the mayor? I mean hell, even ecomania isn't voting for BC. But I really want those double lynches... whatever... I'll decide after eSTRO vs stars. The fact of the matter is, motbob voted at a very crucial point in the votes. At the time BC was down by two votes to ecomania (Kuja far ahead in the lead). motbob made wishy washy posts as above, then tossing his two votes on BC. This was easily the changing point in the vote because it allowed for potential mafia to put BC over the line. However Pyrry's votes made this unnecessary (unless Pyrry is mafia as well). As I stated, motbob was wishy washy about the vote, as in this next quote from earlier, he's actually against BC getting lynched because he wants the double lynches. On July 11 2009 02:02 motbob wrote: but you know what? You're right. It's stupid to vote for him this early. I'll vote for him the day he doesn't use double lynch. On July 11 2009 13:37 motbob wrote: I want to make a note here. Everybody who is currently voting for BC voted for Truthbringer. That alone convinces me that he's mafia. Unfortunately... it would be stupid, again, to vote for him tonight. Bockit... you're not convincing me that getting rid of double lynches is worth getting rid of BC tonight. Can't we just tune him out and lynch him the first day he doesn't use double lynch? As a side note, his argument that everyone who voted for BC also voted for TruthBringer (which was true at the time of his post) does not mean anything. We know mafia need to spread out their votes, especially considering list checks are available now. It's just as likely that the mafia who were on TruthBringer's list (as there had to be a few) also voted for BC. motbob would make this post, as well as putting it in bold, because those people voting for BC are probably mafia as well. He makes this statement to divert attention off his fellow mafia members. Another big point to make is that motbob is the first person to point out that there was a save during the night. Nobody else had noticed this fact, it's obvious he'd be the first to point it out, at a very late time might I add, because he was mafia and his hits did not go through. On July 11 2009 07:07 motbob wrote: We had a protect last night. Back to the voting argument, motbob was also part of the reason TruthBringer almost did not get lynched the night before. I have stated in a previous post, and I will say again, that TruthBringer was ahead by a score of 9 to 4, which is a pretty decent lead, until a bunch of votes piled on in a very short timeframe. One of these came from motbob. Another one came from econmania, who I still suspect of being mafia, especially since the mafia had control over the votes the past night, they were able to save ecomania from getting lynched. motbob is the GF If you look through the thread, motbob has made quite a decent amount of posts, considering the number of inactives this game. However none of these have ever been more than a few sentences as he has yet to really "contribute" to the town. Considering the number of posts he's made, there has been very little discussion about him. Anyone who posts as much as him is bound to get attention, except his lack of useful posting prevents this. He restates what's already been said, gives short posts about his opinions, making it appear that he's an active townsperson. The only problem is is that he's not contributing at all. As I stated before, Mafia is easily hiding among the inactives. It's a shame Kuja900 was innocent, but that narrows down the list even more. Why is motbob posting a lot? Because he's not afraid, which is clearly a GF attitude. As we have seen in past mafia games, mafia do not post a lot because they are afraid of drawing attention to themselves. The only exception is with the GF as he has no fear of being rolechecked. And even if he is suspicious, he can merit being on a DT check list. motbob is playing the game like an unafraid mafia member, which is clearly a GF behavior more than a normal mafia member behavior. This is why I suspect motbob of being the GF. TOWN LYNCH TOMORROW NEEDS TO BE MOTBOB This will reduce mafia killpower by one. If everybody votes Sunny as well assassins (assuming they survive the night) have good targets as well. | ||
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On July 13 2009 12:02 motbob wrote: wow OK looks like people suspect me pretty badly. I'm gonna respond to Foolishness's original post accusing me. - Suspicious voting behavior and posting during the BC/kuja lynch Again, if you look at my posts when I was discussing with Bockit about what to do, there's no inconsistency in my opinions. Like I said before, I think that anyone who actually goes back and reads what I wrote in response to Bockit's arguments (and not just the posts that Foolishness cherry-picked) will absolve me of any wrongdoing yesterday. - Suspicious voting behavior during the Truthbringer lynch If you look at voting patterns, there were a lot of people who were voting Truthbringer without posting in the thread and were just following blindly the person who posted the original clue analysis for him, disregarding BC's loooong post on ydg without responding or anything. What I did was an anti-bandwagoning measure. - Knowledge of the protect last night What a dumb argument. The suicide bomber blew up 2 people (it's in the clues), 2 people were hit, mafia KP was 3, and therefore we had a protect. It's not rocket science. - General suspicious and unhelpful posting I assume this is because I haven't done any clue analysis? I don't do clue analysis anymore because I obviously suck at it. Remember last game, foolishness? Remember when I said "Raxor has to be mafia based on these clues" over and over again? Well, Raxor wasn't mafia and that's why I don't do clue analysis anymore. Post analysis got me far more accurate info. Speaking of clue analysis, post some of me. Don't lynch someone without any clues pointing to them... BC tried to do that and it almost got ydg lynched. I believe that there are already some leads on clues pointing to you, as listed above. Yes maybe nothing definite, but the possibility is still there. I haven't looked that hard into it so you're better off confronting someone else who knows there stuff. The point of your suspicious voting behavior, is that two nights in a row your vote came at a very crucial time. For the most part at the same time with other suspected mafia as well. You waited to vote when there was a huge discussion about BC, I know you waited because you were posting in the thread a lot. Your two votes was easily one of the turning points that got BC lynched (and because you voted for him twice, as oppossed to spliting). The day before, your vote almost helped save TruthBringer from getting lynched. The timing of your voting is similar with what the mafia would do. | ||
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He might not be the GF, but he's definitely mafia. Let's assume that motbob is innocent like he claims. The final vote count was 9-7 in favor of ecomania. In the votes for motbob, we have one confirmed mafia (ecomania) and one confirmed townie (Scaramanga, at least nobody has come out against him so we can assume he's safe). With a vote of 9-7, the mafia only needs one switch to tie and two to put motbob in the lead. As long as there are at least two mafia voting for ecomania, the vote could have been easily switched to make motbob the majority leader. If this is not the case than that means that these five people are mafia (or four out of the five): Foolishness, LucasWoJ, iLoveKT, Bockit, Pyrry. Considering that Pyrry and I are the only ones trying to save this town, and the fact that Lucas seems more or less innocent, it would've been possible for the mafia to make motbob the majority leader. But they didn't. That means the mafia were better off with ecomania dead than with motbob dead. Thus we can assume motbob is a mafia member, probably a mafioso or the GF (as I suspect). motbob is Mafia. Hopefully Scaramanga will take care of him tonight. | ||
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On July 15 2009 04:02 Ace wrote: rofl this game is seriously so fucking random I'd never thought I would agree with anything Ace said... | ||
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On July 22 2009 00:31 Scaramanga wrote: BAH when as bc died we were discussing who i should hit, he said either one of motbob or pyrr, i would have hit pyrr instead of bockit if he wasnt the main person behind bc's lynch pyrr played his role well and i ended up telling him who the medic/mystic waas T_T Not to mention I told you to hit motbob as well. | ||
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