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Foolishness
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On July 11 2009 14:09 motbob wrote:
fuck, I don't know whether to vote BC or not. I mean the thing that's really tempting me to do it is the fact that mafia COULD be voting for him, but they're clearly not (because of the Truthbringer - BC vote correlation.) If you were mafia, would you pass up the chance to lynch the mayor?
I mean hell, even ecomania isn't voting for BC.
But I really want those double lynches... whatever... I'll decide after eSTRO vs stars.
Just wait until the last few hours when a bunch of mafia transfer their votes to BC. Same thing happened yesterday.
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Foolishness
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On July 11 2009 14:05 Bockit wrote:
3) YDG anti-bandwagon, which you toss aside so lightly, is actually a huge thing, something which has been used in multiple games, many times. As mafia, when someone posts some ridiculously spot on analysis, the easiest way to discredit it is to bring up something else so that it can be drowned out in a sea of posts and ignored.
Can you explain what you mean by ydg anti-bandwagon? I just want to make sure I don't misunderstand what you mean as I did previously.
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Foolishness
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On July 11 2009 14:15 motbob wrote:
This IS the last few hours. Plexa said "voting has been extended a day" 25 hours ago.
I thought we had like 4 more hours. oops. At any rate, since Plexa has not been here in a while, voting might get extended another few hours.
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Foolishness
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On July 11 2009 14:32 motbob wrote:
Foolishness if you feel strongly enough that BC is innocent go ahead and use your second vote on eco... I voted BC twice.
Don't worry I got time.
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Foolishness
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Since Plexa has been absent for ~20 hours now, it's safe to assume he's probably going to extend the day, much like he did earlier in the game. I'm personally in disfavor of this but whatever he's the host and I guess if he wants to be absent for nearly a day at a time it's his call.
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On July 11 2009 15:40 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:
What's the number or mafia/pledge again? I don't think there'd by any way to tell whether kuja is mafia/pledge short of playing the odds. Or is there another way to figure it out?
the problem with voting snow is that towns' clue analysis has been less than subpar so far. voting snow today would give assassins a better clueset for sunny tomorrow, which, I concede, is a good point.
Right now there are 3 pledges and 2 mafioso's alive.
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Foolishness
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On July 11 2009 15:48 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:
And 1 godfather so 1+1+1+1.5 rounded down = 4. Ok, got it.
Go reread the rules on how mafia power is counted.
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Foolishness
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On July 11 2009 22:01 chaoser wrote:
when have i ever been linked to clues? work that logic center
I believed you have been linked to stuff earlier in the thread. If you haven't then my mistake.
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Foolishness
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Alright since I have a high chance of dying tonight I'm going to help you all on tomorrow's lynch.
motbob is the godfather
Let me detail why he is at the very least mafia, and then the reasoning behind my suspicion of him being the GF.
motbob must be mafia because of the voting pattern. Consider his posts just yesterday about BC.
On July 11 2009 14:09 motbob wrote:
fuck, I don't know whether to vote BC or not. I mean the thing that's really tempting me to do it is the fact that mafia COULD be voting for him, but they're clearly not (because of the Truthbringer - BC vote correlation.) If you were mafia, would you pass up the chance to lynch the mayor?
I mean hell, even ecomania isn't voting for BC.
But I really want those double lynches... whatever... I'll decide after eSTRO vs stars.
The fact of the matter is, motbob voted at a very crucial point in the votes. At the time BC was down by two votes to ecomania (Kuja far ahead in the lead). motbob made wishy washy posts as above, then tossing his two votes on BC. This was easily the changing point in the vote because it allowed for potential mafia to put BC over the line. However Pyrry's votes made this unnecessary (unless Pyrry is mafia as well).
As I stated, motbob was wishy washy about the vote, as in this next quote from earlier, he's actually against BC getting lynched because he wants the double lynches.
On July 11 2009 02:02 motbob wrote:
but you know what? You're right. It's stupid to vote for him this early. I'll vote for him the day he doesn't use double lynch.
On July 11 2009 13:37 motbob wrote:
I want to make a note here. Everybody who is currently voting for BC voted for Truthbringer.
That alone convinces me that he's mafia. Unfortunately... it would be stupid, again, to vote for him tonight. Bockit... you're not convincing me that getting rid of double lynches is worth getting rid of BC tonight. Can't we just tune him out and lynch him the first day he doesn't use double lynch?
As a side note, his argument that everyone who voted for BC also voted for TruthBringer (which was true at the time of his post) does not mean anything. We know mafia need to spread out their votes, especially considering list checks are available now. It's just as likely that the mafia who were on TruthBringer's list (as there had to be a few) also voted for BC. motbob would make this post, as well as putting it in bold, because those people voting for BC are probably mafia as well. He makes this statement to divert attention off his fellow mafia members.
Another big point to make is that motbob is the first person to point out that there was a save during the night. Nobody else had noticed this fact, it's obvious he'd be the first to point it out, at a very late time might I add, because he was mafia and his hits did not go through.
On July 11 2009 07:07 motbob wrote:
We had a protect last night.
Back to the voting argument, motbob was also part of the reason TruthBringer almost did not get lynched the night before. I have stated in a previous post, and I will say again, that TruthBringer was ahead by a score of 9 to 4, which is a pretty decent lead, until a bunch of votes piled on in a very short timeframe. One of these came from motbob. Another one came from econmania, who I still suspect of being mafia, especially since the mafia had control over the votes the past night, they were able to save ecomania from getting lynched.
motbob is the GF
If you look through the thread, motbob has made quite a decent amount of posts, considering the number of inactives this game. However none of these have ever been more than a few sentences as he has yet to really "contribute" to the town. Considering the number of posts he's made, there has been very little discussion about him. Anyone who posts as much as him is bound to get attention, except his lack of useful posting prevents this. He restates what's already been said, gives short posts about his opinions, making it appear that he's an active townsperson. The only problem is is that he's not contributing at all.
As I stated before, Mafia is easily hiding among the inactives. It's a shame Kuja900 was innocent, but that narrows down the list even more. Why is motbob posting a lot? Because he's not afraid, which is clearly a GF attitude. As we have seen in past mafia games, mafia do not post a lot because they are afraid of drawing attention to themselves. The only exception is with the GF as he has no fear of being rolechecked. And even if he is suspicious, he can merit being on a DT check list. motbob is playing the game like an unafraid mafia member, which is clearly a GF behavior more than a normal mafia member behavior. This is why I suspect motbob of being the GF.
TOWN LYNCH TOMORROW NEEDS TO BE MOTBOB This will reduce mafia killpower by one. If everybody votes Sunny as well assassins (assuming they survive the night) have good targets as well.
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Foolishness
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If you want to roleclaim as angel, you best do it now.
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Foolishness
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If you ask me, we have much better targets to go after, such as ecomania, motbob. While Bockit may be suspicious we should not make hasty decisions. Ecomania would be the safest lynch for the day if you choose not to believe my theory on motbob.
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Foolishness
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I think it's also crucial we vote sunny today. As long as we hit a mafia their KP will be reduced. The only other option would be to vote fog, as rain does not hold much value with only two angels alive.
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Foolishness
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EBWOP: Should say one* angel alive.
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Foolishness
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On July 13 2009 12:02 motbob wrote:
wow OK looks like people suspect me pretty badly.
I'm gonna respond to Foolishness's original post accusing me.
- Suspicious voting behavior and posting during the BC/kuja lynch
Again, if you look at my posts when I was discussing with Bockit about what to do, there's no inconsistency in my opinions. Like I said before, I think that anyone who actually goes back and reads what I wrote in response to Bockit's arguments (and not just the posts that Foolishness cherry-picked) will absolve me of any wrongdoing yesterday.
- Suspicious voting behavior during the Truthbringer lynch
If you look at voting patterns, there were a lot of people who were voting Truthbringer without posting in the thread and were just following blindly the person who posted the original clue analysis for him, disregarding BC's loooong post on ydg without responding or anything. What I did was an anti-bandwagoning measure.
- Knowledge of the protect last night
What a dumb argument. The suicide bomber blew up 2 people (it's in the clues), 2 people were hit, mafia KP was 3, and therefore we had a protect. It's not rocket science.
- General suspicious and unhelpful posting
I assume this is because I haven't done any clue analysis? I don't do clue analysis anymore because I obviously suck at it. Remember last game, foolishness? Remember when I said "Raxor has to be mafia based on these clues" over and over again? Well, Raxor wasn't mafia and that's why I don't do clue analysis anymore. Post analysis got me far more accurate info.
Speaking of clue analysis, post some of me. Don't lynch someone without any clues pointing to them... BC tried to do that and it almost got ydg lynched.
I believe that there are already some leads on clues pointing to you, as listed above. Yes maybe nothing definite, but the possibility is still there. I haven't looked that hard into it so you're better off confronting someone else who knows there stuff.
The point of your suspicious voting behavior, is that two nights in a row your vote came at a very crucial time. For the most part at the same time with other suspected mafia as well. You waited to vote when there was a huge discussion about BC, I know you waited because you were posting in the thread a lot. Your two votes was easily one of the turning points that got BC lynched (and because you voted for him twice, as oppossed to spliting). The day before, your vote almost helped save TruthBringer from getting lynched. The timing of your voting is similar with what the mafia would do.
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Foolishness
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Okay the vote count is proof that motbob is mafia
He might not be the GF, but he's definitely mafia. Let's assume that motbob is innocent like he claims. The final vote count was 9-7 in favor of ecomania. In the votes for motbob, we have one confirmed mafia (ecomania) and one confirmed townie (Scaramanga, at least nobody has come out against him so we can assume he's safe). With a vote of 9-7, the mafia only needs one switch to tie and two to put motbob in the lead. As long as there are at least two mafia voting for ecomania, the vote could have been easily switched to make motbob the majority leader. If this is not the case than that means that these five people are mafia (or four out of the five):
Foolishness, LucasWoJ, iLoveKT, Bockit, Pyrry.
Considering that Pyrry and I are the only ones trying to save this town, and the fact that Lucas seems more or less innocent, it would've been possible for the mafia to make motbob the majority leader. But they didn't. That means the mafia were better off with ecomania dead than with motbob dead. Thus we can assume motbob is a mafia member, probably a mafioso or the GF (as I suspect).
motbob is Mafia. Hopefully Scaramanga will take care of him tonight.
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Foolishness
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On July 15 2009 04:02 Ace wrote:
rofl this game is seriously so fucking random
I'd never thought I would agree with anything Ace said...
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Foolishness
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This game is certainly turning out more interesting than I thought it would. 
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Foolishness
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On July 17 2009 08:27 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:Wait is that 2 before or after fog?
It's 2 either way
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Foolishness
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On July 22 2009 00:31 Scaramanga wrote:
BAH
when as bc died we were discussing who i should hit, he said either one of motbob or pyrr, i would have hit pyrr instead of bockit if he wasnt the main person behind bc's lynch
pyrr played his role well and i ended up telling him who the medic/mystic waas T_T
Not to mention I told you to hit motbob as well.
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