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motbob
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On July 13 2009 12:21 Foolishness wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2009 12:02 motbob wrote:
wow OK looks like people suspect me pretty badly.
I'm gonna respond to Foolishness's original post accusing me.
- Suspicious voting behavior and posting during the BC/kuja lynch
Again, if you look at my posts when I was discussing with Bockit about what to do, there's no inconsistency in my opinions. Like I said before, I think that anyone who actually goes back and reads what I wrote in response to Bockit's arguments (and not just the posts that Foolishness cherry-picked) will absolve me of any wrongdoing yesterday.
- Suspicious voting behavior during the Truthbringer lynch
If you look at voting patterns, there were a lot of people who were voting Truthbringer without posting in the thread and were just following blindly the person who posted the original clue analysis for him, disregarding BC's loooong post on ydg without responding or anything. What I did was an anti-bandwagoning measure.
- Knowledge of the protect last night
What a dumb argument. The suicide bomber blew up 2 people (it's in the clues), 2 people were hit, mafia KP was 3, and therefore we had a protect. It's not rocket science.
- General suspicious and unhelpful posting
I assume this is because I haven't done any clue analysis? I don't do clue analysis anymore because I obviously suck at it. Remember last game, foolishness? Remember when I said "Raxor has to be mafia based on these clues" over and over again? Well, Raxor wasn't mafia and that's why I don't do clue analysis anymore. Post analysis got me far more accurate info.
Speaking of clue analysis, post some of me. Don't lynch someone without any clues pointing to them... BC tried to do that and it almost got ydg lynched. I believe that there are already some leads on clues pointing to you, as listed above. Yes maybe nothing definite, but the possibility is still there. I haven't looked that hard into it so you're better off confronting someone else who knows there stuff.
Well can you please find someone who knows their stuff so I can actually defend myself? I only see 1 line of clue analysis on me anywhere in this thread...
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motbob
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But that's not the way Plexa does clues. He takes an element from your sig/profile/name and forms a character out of it. He said as much in that post of his that someone linked to earlier in the thread.
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motbob
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On July 13 2009 15:52 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
Oh I get it, whoever I accuse is mafia, because I'm mafia, and I'm mafia because I'm mafia. Brilliant.
Scaramanga is mafia. He's the godfather, and, like, Plexa didn't tell us or anything but he's like the right bit of Lavos from Chrono Trigger and if we kill him we instantly win the game.
Amazing head on our assassin here.
You're just trying to get attention off of me, the godfather -_-
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motbob
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On July 13 2009 16:25 Scaramanga wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2009 16:19 redtooth wrote:
guys knock it off... i was the real godfather... osnap ah theres no chance that the town can win now,
Why do you keep saying this, if we kill 2 mafia today it's 15-ish town vs 4 mafia and that's totally doable.
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motbob
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On July 13 2009 17:54 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
Still don't get why we'd kill motbob before ecomania when ecomania is 100% mafia and motbob is less than that and the motbob = gf because he talks is stupid in a game with cover. Bockit = named mafia = GF.
I don't understand this post at all but it looks like you're saying I'm not the godfather so I endorse it.
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motbob
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On July 13 2009 18:26 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2009 18:25 motbob wrote:On July 13 2009 17:54 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
Still don't get why we'd kill motbob before ecomania when ecomania is 100% mafia and motbob is less than that and the motbob = gf because he talks is stupid in a game with cover. Bockit = named mafia = GF. I don't understand this post at all but it looks like you're saying I'm not the godfather so I endorse it. You're still mafia and dying very soon. Write your will.
Dammit dude no I'm fucking not
We both fell for Bockit's constant lies yesterday, I get all the blame and you get away scot-free, how fair is that.
I'm going to write my will anyway because I'm sure the assassin will read Foolishness's argument instead of actually going back and actually seeing what I wrote.
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motbob
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OK assassin, whoever you are, my defense is in my posts. Go back and read them and you'll see the accusations are simply wrong.
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motbob
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I'm going to have fun seeing if we win or not
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motbob
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This lull in the action is a great time for me to advertise my new mafia game!
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motbob
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Day 1 was pretty unorganized. We were getting the forum set up (you can read the forum here at allredhere.proboards.com) and I was having technical difficulties finding us a good, free host with security options so that we wouldn't get infiltrated. We didn't run anyone for office, since our godfather was inexperienced and would look really weird running for office (and wouldn't get elected anyway.) We also couldn't run anyone non-GF and cover him later, because DTs had a role check before we could cover.
We spread our votes out fairly well between L and BC.
Pyrr started getting in deep with BC, which gave us a good start in getting info on town. We were able to see who the Emperor suspected and were able to influence his thoughts on who to target, leading to multiple mistargets and, eventually, his death.
From the beginning, I wanted to keep Chezinu and Pyrr totally incognito until the end of the game. I don't know if they shared this view or were even aware of it. It was my opinion that with the cover ability (covering Pyrr every night), we could keep those two completely hidden until the end of the game unless Plexa REALLY clueraped us.
The MBH plan was good. You guys should have voted rain, all game. We were able to pick off high-value targets all game (aka the good townies) because you didn't vote rain at the beginning and stay at it.
Night 1 was the infamous "GOSU" night, where our hits spelled a secret message. BC foolishly published the PM from Plexa telling him about the message, making him look even more suspicious. I thought the GOSU thing was an incredibly stupid idea until I realized that the list wasn't that bad. I wanted to switch out Fishball for Bockit but Chez convinced me that it wouldn't be a huge loss to keep Bockit alive. Obviously, he was right, as Bockit single-handedly led to us being able to win.
We were crushed by the day 2 clues. We thought that if the clues were all like that, then town had the game won 100%. (Plexa would soon err on the side of incomprehensibility in his clue writing) My clue on this first night (a tall lanky man who knew exactly what was going on) led me to stop posting lest someone read my sig and immediately get the town to lynch me.
There was ZERO clue analysis on YDG in Day 2 voting, and after L casted a LOT of doubt on BC and his accusations, everyone flocked to TruthBringer. Our two incognitos voted for Truthbringer in order to build confidence in the late game, and we griped and grumbled because losing TB seemed to be the only way out of the situation (if ydg had been lynched and flipped green it would have led to a votelist chock-full of mafia.) That day we saw the rise of L as the head townie and foreshadowing of Foolishness as the town MVP. We knew we had to get rid of L ASAP (both to cast suspicion on BC and to kill the center of town at that point), but I personally felt that Foolishness's abrasive posting style would keep people from taking him seriously for a while.
At around this time, so no fek revealed himself to Pyrr and told him he was mystic and that he had checked him and gotten a green result. We debated whether to keep so no fek alive in order to gain MBH's trust after a possible revive, but eventually decided to kill him immediately.
Night 2 was an enormous triumph for us. We used Scamp because we thought town would use rain non-stop after the revive and also because we thought Scamp was pretty fucked by clues. We decided to use the "two hits no medic save" option because I wasn't convinced by Pyrr's argument that L would be medic protected that night. We used the bomb hits on L (who was indeed medic protected) and Judge (whose priest clue was the most likely to draw a protect, if not the strongest. We felt that arrav's priest match was very strong as well.) We killed the center of town (L), hit a good vet player (Caller), discovered a medic by taking away 1 of his HP (redtooth), killed a DT (so no fek), and killing the priest (vx70GTOJudgexv). Absolutely amazing. Our clue analysis on the priest was spot on, with us almost, but not quite, missing the "unsure what his fate would be" quote ---> unfinished schedule in Judge's profile.
Critically, we almost hit Bockit again due to the word "rage" in his profile, but didn't.
Most of the kills were self-explanitory, but here's why we his redtooth:
ummm for those of you not in IRC, the reason we chose redtooth was because no one really suspects him (pyrr's accusation didn't stick at all) and he gave really good analysis on why either pyrr or BC is probably mafia. I was impressed by his reasoning and I think killing him is prudent at this point.
The next day, even before Bockit posted anything, I wrote this to open up the Day 3 lynch thread:
I want to lynch BC today. For that we need clue analysis. For that we need YOU. Find clues in the day posts. They're there... we just need to look for them.
BC is so vulnerable and it's not even our doing. If we pile onto him he'll be lynched for sure.
Anyone disagree?
Of course, this was hopelessly naive. Lynching BC had almost no advantage, if you thought about it. The only powers the emperor had were to do double lynches! The emperor literally could not hurt town, even if he was mafia, except by withholding double lynches. At least, that's what I thought town would think until Bockit made his brilliant arguments to lynch BC.
I'm not even being sarcastic when I say the arguments were brilliant. I think that if some of us were in Bockit's place, we would have done the same thing. Pyrr said himself, "If I were town, I'd be lynching BC too, he looks so much like mafia." The "town gets an autowin if BC is godfather" argument really clinched it... I was able to vote for BC without making it look like a bandwagon (although it led to my death later on) and we were able to get a double townie lynch, and remove the threat of double lynches from the game.
Chaoser made a couple of really dumb posts at this point, telling everyone that BC was innocent but not voting to save him. He would continue posting really badly until his death.
Pyrr escaped suspicion the next day by effectively saying "oops lol."
I knew I was boned since an assassin was definitely going to target me after my back and forth with Bockit. I knew chaoser was boned because of his dumb posts. I'm amazed, though, that no one found clues on either of us. The ninja references (I really likes the dagger eyes clue, Plexa. kniiife eeeye attaccck) and the xelnaga watchtower clues were clear as day.
We hit redtooth to finish him off, hit JeeJee because he looked blue and because he wasn't fighting with Foolishness as much as we thought he would, hit ydg because he was posting well and because we didn't think he would ever get lynched, and hit inertinept because he looked blue.
At this point Foolishness was solidifying himself as town MVP. His planned hitlist was all mafia. He even named Chezinu! He even named Falcynn as probably blue! Unfortunately he trusted Pyrr, but then again so did everyone else in the game (until they died.) We didn't hit him because we were sure he would draw a medic protect.
The game was up in day 4, with both me and ecomania on the chopping block. I could have done better in my defense, but I think Scara would have hit me no matter what I said.
We then got Faronel lynched, sort of inevitable he and Bockit would die given their role in BC's death.
Pyrr then did some post analysis magic and names Storrzerg as the last angel. We put 2 hits on him, a fact which chaoser stupidly pointed out (sorry chaoser), and killed Lucas since he was actually building an OK town coalition.
Everyone was voting chaoser so we tried to build a huge bandwagon that town would balk at. However mafia was not entirely active at this time so our plan didn't really work out. Also, we didn't have a convincing alternate candidate.
We killed the confirmed townie and iNfuNdiBuLuM. It was a mistake to kill iNfuNdiBuLuM.
We got BWDero lynched (my story is losing steam)
Scara had told Pyrr that Falcynn was mystic (I think.) So we killed him and Malongo, setting up lenwe's lynch.
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motbob
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On July 22 2009 05:45 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2009 02:59 Caller wrote:
i still cant believe you guys killed me as soon as i got in
prepare to get clue raped you were confirmed green we had to kill you plus I thought there was a slight chance araav was priest
I thought araav's zealot was the second strongest link to the priest clue, actually.
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motbob
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On July 22 2009 06:14 Shikyo wrote:
It'd be a nice thing to add to TL. a Mafia forum for all the mafia, giving access to only mafia... Or maybe that would be too complicated, I don't know.
Well, we did it ourselves pretty easily. I don't see a reason to have it tied to TL.
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motbob
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ah hahaha we almost used the "kill medics protecting target" on L but decided not to hahaha
Can you imagine if we had gotten the priest, a mystic, and both angels in 1 day?
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