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On July 09 2009 11:10 LucasWoJ wrote: This is so stupid I won't even bother replying to it. Oh, I thought you weren't being serious, so I was just playing along. If you were being serious that clue analysis is really terrible. | ||
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Vote sunny tonight and tomorrow (if non-fog mafia KP is still 4). We need to get mafia KP down, and we've got enough clues so that our assassins should be able to make good judgments on who needs to get hit. Or does anyone think we should vote fog one more day before sunny, so that we get more clues to go off of? Let me know what you think... but with the priest and 2 other blues down, and a mayor who kind of looks like mafia, I think it's time to take a risk and try to get KP down. | ||
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On July 10 2009 03:28 StorrZerg wrote: would it be wrong to link Bockit? his icon being a mask, phantom of the opera gliding flying ect ect. or am i going no where? I would think that's more likely to be falcynn. Wasn't there a clue linking to him earlier? | ||
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On July 10 2009 03:33 BloodyC0bbler wrote: If you go to the last remaining 3:14 minute mark of that video you will see at 3:14 a gate is opening and a yellowish guy with no nose takes down a big monster by slipping to the side and grabbing it from behind and punching it in its face to bring it down. Much as julia beat down the big judge. Then at the end that man is beaten by the monster after he is clawed in the face and dragged off. In a way this mirrors the video in the sense of the man with the skin/scars quickly flee's as he senses his time is near, as and quickly hides his target in the cheese factory (at the end of that clip he is dragged into a monster den). Your analysis yesterday fit very well to the video but you are grasping at straws here. The guy isn't yellowish at all, wtf. | ||
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On July 10 2009 06:36 BloodyC0bbler wrote: + Show Spoiler + Pm's from foolishness and Lucas will be below in spoilers each. These pms are from a conversation the two of them had with eachother. Carefully read each, and you will see the discrepencies. Foolishness + Show Spoiler + Okay I'll list out the PM convo (it's relatively short don't worry) and I'll throw in some stuff at the end. So he PMed me first with this: LucasWoJ: Out of curiosity, who do you think is mafia? I assume you're a green townie since you're doing exactly what I wanted to. There's nothing to do and people are absolutely retarded screaming various things that are utterly unimportant. Foolishness: I had originally thought ydg was mafia, hence my vote, but I don't think this is the case. I believe TruthBringer to also be mafia. I have high suspicions against ecomania as well. As of right now I think that's all I can really say, since there's not a whole lot to go by. If possible, I would like to shift the majority of the vote to TruthBringer and see what happens. I certainly don't have any means to though. And do not forget that me playing according to your plan in the thread also meant you playing according to mine as well. I was constantly refreshing my inbox waiting for your message. LucasWoJ: Nope. You weren't. If anything, you've convinced yourself you have. Simple psychology. I'm certain of at least two blues (I won't mention them for obvious reasons -- in case you're converted), but I cannot figure out Bockit. Opinions on him? I was mafia with him three games ago, and his posting behavior was eeringly similar. Foolishness: I do believe that acting like BC or L is not in your favor, but you are free to believe what you want. That also goes for conversion. Do you really think I'm going to get converted of all people? Nobody talks to me and with much "smarter" people such as yourself and soon to be MBH, am I really going to be wasted on? If his posting was eeringly similar, that must mean he didn't post at all. He's hardly said more than a sentence at a time. Not much to go off of, although there has been some talk about him. LucasWoJ: The lack of posting is strikingly similar as is WHAT he has actually said. Writing like BC or L is entirely to my advantage in PMs.(although it's really neither. It's not just me saying "This is how things work" and expecting the universe to line up that way). Foolishness: After looking through the thread again, I can't say I've noticed anything particular about Bockit. You obviously have the good information since you can compare him to past games, and I have no experience with that. As I said before, it might be worth mentioning in the thread. Or if you don't want to come about it you could try PMing L and BC about it? They'll be sure to listen and consider. As far as that goes, if you do initiate something I'll surely help by voting for Bockit, but that'd be all I could do After he sent me the first message, I responded truthfully since lying wouldn't have done any good at this point. Notice how after he finds out what I think he dodges all the information, as well as not saying any of his opinions (except about Bockit). I know that there is no conversion, but at this point I suspected him so I wanted to play along and make him think I'm just a stupid green townie. However he continues to ignore the most important points, and just wants my opinion on Bockit. In one of the past mafia games (you might have been in it I don't know), LucasWoJ was on mafia side, and his job for the team was to consistently PM people and try to figure out possible blues for the mafia to snipe. Knowing this information is why I acted stupid and cocky, so I wouldn't get killed. It seems to me that he's doing the exact same job this game. It fits in because he simply wants what I think about various matters while not saying anything back. A non mafia member would be more likely to share their opinion on matters, especially if they thought I was clean. He has yet to respond to the last thing I sent him, and it's been about 20 hours since then. And as a side note, don't take anything I say against you (whether in PM or thread) presonally, I'm just doing it to keep up appearances. You're survival and leadership is necessary for the town to win. To summarize: LucasWoJ is seemingly trying to find out whether I'm blue or not (the fact that he PMed me first also fits in here), and consistently ignored important points throughout our conversation. He's playing exactly like he did in a previous game where he was mafia. Regarding Bockit, it's hard to determine whether Bockit is mafia or not based on this. My guess would be that Bockit is innocent (assuming LucasWoJ is mafia). However they could both be mafia, and LucasWoJ wanted to see if I suspected a fellow member (because I might be worth killing if I did, or something). That's about it, sorry for the dreaded long PM. Lucaswoj + Show Spoiler + We haven't talked via PM in three days, and we only exchanged a few before then. I thought he was a green townie at the very beginning, but now I'm ambivalent toward what his role is. Here are the PMs: From: Foolishness [ Profile | Buddy ] Subject: Re: mafia Date: 7/7/09 09:18 I had originally thought ydg was mafia, hence my vote, but I don't think this is the case. I believe TruthBringer to also be mafia. I have high suspicions against ecomania as well. As of right now I think that's all I can really say, since there's not a whole lot to go by. If possible, I would like to shift the majority of the vote to TruthBringer and see what happens. I certainly don't have any means to though. And do not forget that me playing according to your plan in the thread also meant you playing according to mine as well. I was constantly refreshing my inbox waiting for your message. ----------------------------------------- Original Message (Lucas)WoJ( ): Out of curiosity, who do you think is mafia? I assume you're a green townie since you're doing exactly what I wanted to. There's nothing to do and people are absolutely retarded screaming various things that are utterly unimportant. I'm trying to induce a certain reaction here, but he goes overboard: From: Foolishness [ Profile | Buddy ] Subject: Re: mafia Date: 7/7/09 09:35 I do believe that acting like BC or L is not in your favor, but you are free to believe what you want. That also goes for conversion. Do you really think I'm going to get converted of all people? Nobody talks to me and with much "smarter" people such as yourself and soon to be MBH, am I really going to be wasted on? If his posting was eeringly similar, that must mean he didn't post at all. He's hardly said more than a sentence at a time. Not much to go off of, although there has been some talk about him. ----------------------------------------- Original Message: Nope. You weren't. If anything, you've convinced yourself you have. Simple psychology. I'm certain of at least two blues (I won't mention them for obvious reasons -- in case you're converted), but I cannot figure out Bockit. Opinions on him? I was mafia with him three games ago, and his posting behavior was eeringly similar. From: Foolishness [ Profile | Buddy ] Subject: Re: mafia Date: 7/7/09 09:54 haha fair enough Well, if you are suspicious about Bockit, why not come out about it? You have the information you need, and there is already town discussion about his possible mafia role. I'm sure one of L or BC will back you up which means you will have another few people who will follow for sure. ----------------------------------------- Original Message: The lack of posting is strikingly similar as is WHAT he has actually said. Writing like BC or L is entirely to my advantage in PMs.(although it's really neither. It's not just me saying "This is how things work" and expecting the universe to line up that way). ----------------------------------------- This one was really weird as I did not respond to the other ones. Nor did I really push for Bockit being part of mafia too hard. From: Foolishness [ Profile | Buddy ] Subject: Bockit Date: 7/7/09 10:08 After looking through the thread again, I can't say I've noticed anything particular about Bockit. You obviously have the good information since you can compare him to past games, and I have no experience with that. As I said before, it might be worth mentioning in the thread. Or if you don't want to come about it you could try PMing L and BC about it? They'll be sure to listen and consider. As far as that goes, if you do initiate something I'll surely help by voting for Bockit, but that'd be all I could do General idea: bored townie. ----------------------------------------- Original Message: Ok, so I know you and foolishness have been going back and forth for god knows how long. And I need to know your general idea of him? ----------------------------------------- Original Message: Are we to continue voting for fog? Honestly, I read about 1/5 of the posts so I'm not sure whether something's been posted as to how we're supposed to vote. The difference comes down to foolishness excluding one single message from that dialogue from me being this one + Show Spoiler + From: Foolishness [ Profile | Buddy ] Subject: Re: mafia Date: 7/7/09 09:54 haha fair enough Well, if you are suspicious about Bockit, why not come out about it? You have the information you need, and there is already town discussion about his possible mafia role. I'm sure one of L or BC will back you up which means you will have another few people who will follow for sure. ----------------------------------------- Original Message: The lack of posting is strikingly similar as is WHAT he has actually said. Writing like BC or L is entirely to my advantage in PMs.(although it's really neither. It's not just me saying "This is how things work" and expecting the universe to line up that way). ----------------------------------------- + Show Spoiler + From: Foolishness [ Profile | Buddy ] Subject: double lynch Date: 7/7/09 08:40 uhhh, just to clarify, the reason I wanted to double lynch was because if ydg turns up innocent you're going to be in a world of hurt, especially after L just called you out on random stuff that means nothing. You and I both know the last thing we want is L to become town leader (prior and after to MBH being alive). If we double lynch, kill Truthbringer and ydg, we'll probably get one mafia and that should distract from any violence between you and L. Just my thought process, it's ultimately up to you of course. This is noteworthy because of him not wanting L to become town leader, In fact in the thread he had been opposition to L (he does mentioning he suspects truthbringer as well). and L had foolishness as a suspect as a potential mafia based on voting habits. He also asks me to stop trying to get pyrr killed + Show Spoiler + From: Foolishness [ Profile | Buddy ] Subject: Pyrry Date: 7/10/09 04:58 It is very apparent to me that Pyrry is innocent (whether blue or not I don't know). It's also clear that you are innocent to me as well. It's important that we form a coalition for the benefit of the town, especially since there is no current town plan with MBH dead. I have the necessary information to lead us to the mafia. If you read my most recent post in the thread (since I'm sure you ignored it) you will realize that there are strange things happening with the votes. The people I mentioned are not the only ones that are suspicious. I want to get ecomania lynched today as I think he is the best option for the town (I realize there is a double lynch so we've got other options as well). I want you to call off your accusations against Pyrry. I know you don't want to, but chances are the mafia are sitting back, hiding, and laughing right now. At the very least, by looking at the voting patterns, I'm sure you can agree that we have much better suspects to go after (even if Pyrry is mafia). Risking our lynch on Pyrry spells disaster if he is innocent. It's important that we collaborate on ideas to get another mafia lynched. And above all us, voting patterns show more than clue analysis right now. It's important we don't get carried away with clue analysis (both you and Pyrry are guilty of this). I hope you will at least consider the things I've said as you can easily turn this game around. And lastly Caller and So no fek were returning from their night class on nautical warfare, but knowing there were Mafia about they decided to take the back route to their home. While walking through the last and only park on their journey home they heard a strange but faint laughter. A twig behind them snapped. They panicked- Caller turned and ran as fast as he could, while So no fek was petrified and could not move. The Mafioso stepped forward and ensured that So no fek would no longer be able to move. As he was running, Caller heard the laughter again, but more clearer. He looked up into the trees and a curiously clothed man glided down from the tree, but stumbled on the landing and fell over. To Callers’s surprise he burst out laughing. Not willing to take a chance, Caller backed away but his leg got caught in a trap and was hoisted into the air helpless. The Mafioso stood up walked over to Caller and tied his hands up with a bomb. Standing just outside of the blastzone, the Mafioso and Caller stared into each other’s eyes as Caller’s death was literally counting down. The blast destroyed Caller. Alot of these characteristics come off making it seem the mafia looks foolish, then with the trap/bomb making caller look foolish. From all the stuff between foolishness and lucas, 1 of the 2 is red. But due to the PM discrepency of the original pm's of lucas and foolishness, Lucas appears more green atm than he did. So wait, the point of this is that you think Foolishness is mafia now? | ||
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On July 10 2009 06:46 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Not really point at either one of you, But excluding the one pm makes you look worse off in that regard. If you're not trying to "point" at anybody, why did you make that huge post with clue analysis at the end? So weird | ||
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On July 11 2009 01:36 inertinept wrote: if ecomania/kuja900 come up red those people voting for BC are taking a huge risk. You'll be next. Might want to reconsider voting off the emporer this early. I don't follow you. | ||
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On July 11 2009 01:47 inertinept wrote: If we later discover people were trying to throw off the lynch of mafia members by voting for BC in a bandwagon then it makes those people that didnt vote them look bad. thats all im saying. edit - does bloodycobbler want to be considered really suspicious? I wonder if he even reads the thread. Yea im inactive and trolling Lol. then he comes out with this terrible and meak analysis. he also goes against every good lynch the town has had so far. It's not a bandwagon. This day started with Bockit accusing BC. It's taken BC accusing and de-accusing (in the case of Pyrr) about 10 people to convince me to vote for him. | ||
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On July 11 2009 06:59 ydg wrote: @weather: Rain, we haven't had any protections yet, but it's all a mindgame. We had a protect last night. | ||
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That alone convinces me that he's mafia. Unfortunately... it would be stupid, again, to vote for him tonight. Bockit... you're not convincing me that getting rid of double lynches is worth getting rid of BC tonight. Can't we just tune him out and lynch him the first day he doesn't use double lynch? | ||
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Take a look at the voting thread, and tell me that the double lynches are helping us out. Yeah that's right, they're not. They need direction to be effective and anyone that initiates a double lynch without the town having direction, or without the intent of giving that direction is either mafia or a townie that is as good as a mafia and should die. You've got to do a better job than this, Bockit. Double lynches are still helpful, regardless of whether town has "direction" or not. | ||
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I mean hell, even ecomania isn't voting for BC. But I really want those double lynches... whatever... I'll decide after eSTRO vs stars. | ||
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On July 11 2009 14:11 Foolishness wrote: Just wait until the last few hours when a bunch of mafia transfer their votes to BC. Same thing happened yesterday. This IS the last few hours. Plexa said "voting has been extended a day" 25 hours ago. | ||
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If I start getting votes tomorrow I'll write more in my defense but I think all people really have to do is read my posts last night to be convinced not to vote for me. You say my posts were wishy-washy but it's clear that I was absolutely convinced that BC was mafia the entire time. The only thing I was struggling with was whether it was worth it to lynch him before he had a chance to use the double lynches. | ||
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I'm gonna respond to Foolishness's original post accusing me. - Suspicious voting behavior and posting during the BC/kuja lynch Again, if you look at my posts when I was discussing with Bockit about what to do, there's no inconsistency in my opinions. Like I said before, I think that anyone who actually goes back and reads what I wrote in response to Bockit's arguments (and not just the posts that Foolishness cherry-picked) will absolve me of any wrongdoing yesterday. - Suspicious voting behavior during the Truthbringer lynch If you look at voting patterns, there were a lot of people who were voting Truthbringer without posting in the thread and were just following blindly the person who posted the original clue analysis for him, disregarding BC's loooong post on ydg without responding or anything. What I did was an anti-bandwagoning measure. - Knowledge of the protect last night What a dumb argument. The suicide bomber blew up 2 people (it's in the clues), 2 people were hit, mafia KP was 3, and therefore we had a protect. It's not rocket science. - General suspicious and unhelpful posting I assume this is because I haven't done any clue analysis? I don't do clue analysis anymore because I obviously suck at it. Remember last game, foolishness? Remember when I said "Raxor has to be mafia based on these clues" over and over again? Well, Raxor wasn't mafia and that's why I don't do clue analysis anymore. Post analysis got me far more accurate info. Speaking of clue analysis, post some of me. Don't lynch someone without any clues pointing to them... BC tried to do that and it almost got ydg lynched. | ||
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