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Scamp
Profile Joined October 2008
United States1086 Posts
May 14 2009 20:40 GMT
#25
Actually, he just kind of asked us not to do pregame elections. He didn't say they were not allowed. Plus there's a little note advising people not to consider people running before the game starts as a perk, which means he's expecting people to do it anyway.
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Scamp
Profile Joined October 2008
United States1086 Posts
May 15 2009 18:33 GMT
#41
Crap I got up early expecting things to have gotten started and now I realize it says 10:30 PM and not 10:30 AM.

Oh well. Gotta sleep in more to make up for it.
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Scamp
Profile Joined October 2008
United States1086 Posts
May 15 2009 21:39 GMT
#48
Also please mark the times and dates that the voting period(s) end. I know it's on a set schedule but it's a lot easier if it's right there in bold on the post where the link takes you.
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Profile Joined October 2008
United States1086 Posts
May 16 2009 07:52 GMT
#106
People keep mentioning that this is a veteran's game and it's making me nervous because it increases the pressure. What if the people in Pyrr's (mostly) newbie game play way better than we do? How embarrassing would that be?


So far we have Ver, Caller, and BC running for spots. BC has already voted for Ver and Ver has voted for Caller. It appears fishy to me for these people to have already voted for each other. BC's kind of makes sense since he's apparently trying to get second (which is also suspicious as others have pointed out) but I don't think there's anything too major here. Just something to consider for the future.
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Scamp
Profile Joined October 2008
United States1086 Posts
May 16 2009 18:38 GMT
#149
I would have protected you last game, Ace, if you weren't hit by some crazy vigilante. I just didn't think you needed it since you were under such suspicion at the time that the mafia would be crazy to hit you.


So far the thing I like most is what Ace said about Mynock. Everyone else's vote/opinion seems to be based on behavior from past games. If I just go by what people say about previous game accolades then there are way too many good candidates to choose from and really no way to distinguish between them, especially for me since I've only played in one previous game (though I've looked over a few other games).
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Scamp
Profile Joined October 2008
United States1086 Posts
May 16 2009 22:13 GMT
#186
What if a double lynch happens to two mafia members and one of them is the pardoner? Is the pardoner able to use his power to prevent the other lynch from happening even though he's getting lynched himself?


And I don't understand L's sentiment of "pressure wont' do fuck all." I thought pressure was the way to get the most information in just about any situation in this game. You evaluate both the person receiving the pressure as well as the person giving it.

From your description it sounds like there's no way a townie could use the pardoner's ability effectively.
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Scamp
Profile Joined October 2008
United States1086 Posts
May 16 2009 23:11 GMT
#194
Upon more thought, L is absolutely right about how the pardoner basically can't be used well on the town's side based on it's ability. All it does is make a mistake by the town only slightly better, and it may even make the situation even worse because the town will still probably want to kill the same person and now they'll want to kill the pardoner as well.

However, I still don't agree that pressure on the role doesn't matter. That's kind of like just trusting someone because they got the role and just hoping it works out.
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Scamp
Profile Joined October 2008
United States1086 Posts
May 17 2009 18:57 GMT
#382
L when you quote someone could you please leave in who you're quoting with the message? Sometimes you quote from the middle of a paragraph and it's annoying to go back and figure out where it came from. I don't wanna have to do that again if I decide to re-check all your posts.


I guess the question here is "to nemy or not to nemy." Despite everything that Ace has been saying, I do not think nemy is mafia or traitor. I also think it's better to keep people alive in this game than to get a "better player" into office.

Certainly some people are being more vocal than others right now, but there is a whole host of excellent players that can pick up the slack if the Mafia starts targeting vocal people.
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Scamp
Profile Joined October 2008
United States1086 Posts
May 17 2009 19:45 GMT
#410
On May 18 2009 04:21 0cz3c wrote:
OR....


We could just elect me into a position of power. o.o



This gives me a brilliant idea that's not actually brilliant! Let's vote in whoever has been the most inactive right now! No way any mafia member would be inactive for this long. It's foolproof!

Especially if the guy really is inactive for whatever reason. Then he'd get back to the game and be like: "What the hell???"

But then again if he really is inactive then he could actually be mafia too...
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Scamp
Profile Joined October 2008
United States1086 Posts
May 17 2009 19:49 GMT
#412
On May 18 2009 04:41 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 18 2009 04:21 L wrote:
L when you quote someone could you please leave in who you're quoting with the message? Sometimes you quote from the middle of a paragraph and it's annoying to go back and figure out where it came from. I don't wanna have to do that again if I decide to re-check all your posts.
I honestly don't know how to do that. I've never done it in all my posting on TL as far as I know. If you can tell me how i can pull a quote out with the name and time attached I'd be grateful.


You uh, press the "quote" link on the right hand side at the top of the post.


Also, if you want to quote multiple people then press quote one of them, write your response, and then highlight the whole then then copy it. Go back, press quote on something else, then paste the whole first thing you did on that.

Or you can just observe the part in bold and just kind of fake it.
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Scamp
Profile Joined October 2008
United States1086 Posts
May 17 2009 21:44 GMT
#441
Well gee, now I have to change my vote.
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Scamp
Profile Joined October 2008
United States1086 Posts
May 17 2009 23:00 GMT
#464
Okay look. I switched from NemY to Ace because I really felt NemY was legit even though Ace was making some really good posts about it.

Then NemY flat out says he got caught lying and I figure Ace is a good choice because he's basically been proven correct.

Now there's the idea that they BOTH might be red?

My mind is about to fucking explode.
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Scamp
Profile Joined October 2008
United States1086 Posts
May 17 2009 23:20 GMT
#473
I think Incog's post was referring to me.

Perhaps I was a little premature in voting for Ace but I certainly don't want to keep switching my vote constantly. I'll definitely think about it more, though. I've got six hours.

I personally want to hear more from Ver. It seems to me like he's just coasting into an elected spot at this point. (Unless he's very active behind the scenes right now.)
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Scamp
Profile Joined October 2008
United States1086 Posts
May 17 2009 23:55 GMT
#486
On May 18 2009 08:35 Mynock wrote:
Ver disappeared (no feedback whatsoever, he's essentially running on his name alone now). Ace is always a solid vote (good player, and there's only 1/5 chance he's mafia to begin with even before the roles are given out). I'm active and trying to react to whatever comes up.


Oh man, please never say anything like this again. This was my reasoning for voting for Qatol in the last game and we all know how that turned out...
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Scamp
Profile Joined October 2008
United States1086 Posts
May 18 2009 04:45 GMT
#574
I also change my vote to 0cz3c.

I hope I don't look too suspicious...
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Scamp
Profile Joined October 2008
United States1086 Posts
May 19 2009 05:26 GMT
#803
I don't understand why any bodyguards would roleclaim at all. What possible good would that do? The only reason that I can think of to roleclaim bodyguard is if you're under suspicion and you need the Mayor/Pardoner's help to not get lynched. But even then doing such a thing would look suspicious as hell to whoever you're roleclaiming to.

I'm going to look over the posts of the three dead and see what I can come up with. I expect everyone else to do the same too. I'm not forgetting what I learned from Camlito (and Qatol after the game) from the last game.

Speaking of which, I'd like to hear from Camlito this game.
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Scamp
Profile Joined October 2008
United States1086 Posts
May 20 2009 00:08 GMT
#988
Well Ocz in hindsight you were right all along. None of this would have ever happened if we had just elected you.

You guys are making this insanely difficult. So I'll just go over a few of my thoughts.

1: I don't believe any scenerio in which the BGs roleclaimed to anyone. Why would they do that? Neither of them needed any protection against lynches. Also roleclaiming absolutely wrecked us last game.

2: I also don't believe any scenerio where either Ace or Ver purposefully killed off both the bodyguards. Obviously this also goes along with point number 1: they wouldn't even know in the first place. But if for some reason they did know why would it be better to be a mafia with no protection rather than a mafia with protection?

3: Three blues is way beyond coincidence for me.


So, if either Ver or Ace are mafia then they killed off both bodyguards by accident. At this point I don't believe we should lynch either of them. I don't really trust Ver at this point but I also don't like the way Ace is going after him so hard. But I still trust Ace more right now.
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Scamp
Profile Joined October 2008
United States1086 Posts
May 20 2009 00:21 GMT
#998
On May 20 2009 09:11 Incognito wrote:
@ Scamp: Why do you trust Ace more? Also, you say it is way beyond coincidence, but then you say they didn't roleclaim. What DO you think?


I trust Ace more at this point because Ace hasn't done anything fishy in my opinion. I don't like the way he's going after Ver but I can't deny I've had some suspicions about Ver as well. Right now I suspect that Ace isn't mafia and is pushing that hard because of it. However, I'm still not convinced that Ver is mafia either.

Then we have L and BC complicating things even further. I've got to believe that at least one of the four are mafia.


I said that three BLUES are way beyond coincidence FOR ME. What I think is that someone has gotten themselves really close to powerful people behind the scenes and is using it to fish out really good information.
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Scamp
Profile Joined October 2008
United States1086 Posts
May 20 2009 05:45 GMT
#1098
I want to hear from Ver before I decide on anything.

Hopefully he'll post by the time I wake up tomorrow. If not, I'm probably going to vote for him.
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Scamp
Profile Joined October 2008
United States1086 Posts
May 20 2009 19:46 GMT
#1174
Well great. I really don't know what the fuck to think now. Thanks a lot everybody.

But I've got to follow through with the threat I made in my last post.
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Scamp
Profile Joined October 2008
United States1086 Posts
May 20 2009 20:03 GMT
#1179
On May 21 2009 04:49 nemY wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2009 04:46 Scamp wrote:
Well great. I really don't know what the fuck to think now. Thanks a lot everybody.

But I've got to follow through with the threat I made in my last post.


No body remembers the last post you made.



Yeah, I figured this was the case. But it's also strange to me that Ver hasn't talked at all. Plus if anyone wants to look me up they will see my last post and if nothing changes I have to stick to my guns.
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Scamp
Profile Joined October 2008
United States1086 Posts
May 21 2009 06:25 GMT
#1506
On May 21 2009 15:21 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Day 1 use of arrows would link to qatol being a naga from l5r


Oh sweet, you know about that game too? And you know the names of Nagas?

Cool beans.
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Scamp
Profile Joined October 2008
United States1086 Posts
May 21 2009 06:26 GMT
#1507
Geez I need to type faster.
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Scamp
Profile Joined October 2008
United States1086 Posts
May 21 2009 06:40 GMT
#1510
On May 21 2009 15:26 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2009 15:25 Scamp wrote:
On May 21 2009 15:21 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Day 1 use of arrows would link to qatol being a naga from l5r


Oh sweet, you know about that game too? And you know the names of Nagas?

Cool beans.



A buddy of mine from work got me into the game in the last few months.

Im a mantis player ^^



Scorpion here. Or at least I was a year or two ago. I might get back into it someday.

That explains why I like Mafia, of course.
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Scamp
Profile Joined October 2008
United States1086 Posts
May 21 2009 22:38 GMT
#1565
On May 22 2009 07:36 HeavOnEarth wrote:
Also dreamflower is a pretty good lynch candidate if he's not killed by mafia <.<


Why in the world would the mafia kill Dreamflower? I can't think of a single reason.
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Scamp
Profile Joined October 2008
United States1086 Posts
May 21 2009 23:00 GMT
#1572
On May 22 2009 07:39 MTF wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2009 07:38 Scamp wrote:
On May 22 2009 07:36 HeavOnEarth wrote:
Also dreamflower is a pretty good lynch candidate if he's not killed by mafia <.<


Why in the world would the mafia kill Dreamflower? I can't think of a single reason.


She roleclaimed Vigilante.

If she's telling the truth then they may kill her off just to be safe.


Well I guess I didn't factor in the mafia being dumb.

If Dreamflower is the vigi then they're not going to be able to kill her before she uses her power tonight. Whether or not she does use her power she's damn suspicious to the town right now, and if she's not mafia then the mafia will want to keep her alive. And of course they won't hit her if she is mafia.
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Scamp
Profile Joined October 2008
United States1086 Posts
May 23 2009 00:07 GMT
#1689
On May 23 2009 08:54 0cz3c wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 23 2009 08:36 Qatol wrote:
On May 23 2009 08:27 0cz3c wrote:
On May 23 2009 07:42 Qatol wrote:
Ok I'm going to discuss modkills one more time. I am going to stick with my implementation from earlier in the game as well as the rules which go along with them. They will be discussed at length after this game, but I do not want to change the rules of the game midway through if at all possible.

First of all, no deals. No "please modkill me if X happens." This was stated with Ver and I am stating it again. If you request to be modkilled, you will immediately be killed. I have decided that conditional modkills are not fair play and thus have disallowed them.

Second of all, please be aware of what getting modkilled entails for you. (From the rules) Anyone who is modkilled may not play in one of my games until they have proven themselves to be active players in another game (one such as Pyrrhuloxia's). I am hoping the next host will back me up on enforcement of this rule, thus disallowing anyone who gets modkilled from playing in the next veteran game. Other consequences may be agreed upon in the future as well, but that was the only thing I could think up at the time.


0cz3c, if you still wish to use potentially getting yourself modkilled as a persuasive tool, I will not stop you. However, please be aware of what it entails.

Please note that Ver agreed to these conditions when he was modkilled.



I accept the following conditions (but I do not wish to be modkilled right now. I'll request it definitively if MBH does not show up red.). I will definitively ask for one then, and I will accept all the consequences.

I'd require a formal PM anyways.



I will give you one granted that my conditions happen to occur. I give the town my word and my honor.



0cz, I don't think you get it. It's a lot of work and effort to run these games, and Qatol is doing this for us to play. So it's not fun to be used by the players in your game as a tool. It's frustrating and frankly I think it's rude.

You don't have to request a modkill to get the same effect. You could just stop posting or whatever. But please don't ask people who have put a lot of effort into this game so that we could play to jack up their own game.

Also note that Ver was also modkilled because he threatened to spam the crap out of the game. Not good behavior.
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Scamp
Profile Joined October 2008
United States1086 Posts
May 24 2009 08:24 GMT
#2022
On May 24 2009 14:19 Showtime! wrote:
Worst Mafia: Vivi57 and Scamp – 10:31 and you don’t even think to vote until then? We had this in the bag and it took three of you to be inactive. Yes, it is MBH fault too. -_-


Okay. Right now stop and stop blaming me. I was not at home so I was not chatting but I was out with friends and I spent half an hour on a friend's laptop (9:05 to 9:35) getting ready to change my vote at the last second.

But I couldn't do anything. Why? Because I already had a vote on Tricode. MBH wasn't about to be lynched so I didn't need to take my vote of of him, but if anyone had switched from Ocz to MBH then I would have.

So please stop adding me into the blame here. I don't see what I did wrong.
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Profile Joined October 2008
United States1086 Posts
May 24 2009 08:37 GMT
#2024
Thanks for the compliment but it was really easy to get "confused" in this game. I did try to get some posts in later but everything was just so chaotic I pretty much just got ignored. Incognito questioned me once and L said I was red, but that didn't seem so serious.

I'm still not so sure why Showtime gave us up. I'll check the chat log.
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Profile Joined October 2008
United States1086 Posts
May 24 2009 08:52 GMT
#2027
I would have liked to see someone go after me. I don't think it would have been too difficult to defend myself.
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Scamp
Profile Joined October 2008
United States1086 Posts
May 24 2009 09:24 GMT
#2033
On May 24 2009 18:14 L wrote:
I disagree. His activity and voting record were very, very strong pointers against him.

But that's coming from the only guy to actually say shit about him, so I'm probably wrong on that point ^_^.


Yeah and I was really curious as to whether or not you were serious when you said it. All you said was something like "Scamp is very red. " in the middle of talking about other people as well.

Also BC pointed some clues my way. Of course he was just making shit up, but it's nice to know that no one really cared about it.


Also I wonder if it would have made things worse if you'd have gone after me. I think I could just go: "After the Ver and Ace thing, I think being accused by L is the best proof possible that I am not mafia."
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Profile Joined October 2008
United States1086 Posts
May 24 2009 10:59 GMT
#2037
Oh yeah I don't know if this was mentioned already but for the day 2 clues that pointed to MBH we thought it was for me. The killer seems to act a lot like a cat, and the sore/hoarse throat a hairball or allergies to cats.
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Profile Joined October 2008
United States1086 Posts
May 27 2009 23:53 GMT
#2128
In retrospect, Ver's modkill may have cost us a perfect game.
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