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Mynock
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On May 16 2009 05:05 Qatol wrote: Don't worry about it. You are not the only one who made this mistake. Ver was complaining to me last night that I was starting the game so early in the day. So now it's just gonna start at about 4-5am for us Europeans  | ||
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On May 16 2009 06:39 Scamp wrote: Also please mark the times and dates that the voting period(s) end. I know it's on a set schedule but it's a lot easier if it's right there in bold on the post where the link takes you. My dream is that we can get mods to make us a fancy php-coded timer for all the night and day and voting posts, which the game-running mods can modify easily... It would add and subtract votes automatically, too! Oh, but it's merely a dream... | ||
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I'm announcing my candidacy for office. Either a mayoral or a pardoner spot would do fine. Some people pointed out that running for second is suspicious, but I disagree, and I'm proving it by openly stating so. It's not suspicious at all. It's almost the same position with a few differences, most of them being psychological. First off, the Mayor gets tons more PMs. People tend to communicate with the figurehead more, because they believe that's the most direct approach. It possibly stems from real life experience, where it's all about the PM and not the vice-PM. If you think it through however, it's quite obvious that both Mayor and Pardoner are in the same place, it's just that their abilities are slightly different. So running for either is basically the same, especially if the Town keeps in mind, that it IS THE SAME (as opposed to assuming that Pardoner is somehow "hiding" or staying in the back or whatever). Now onto my reasons to run. To put it simply, I want to play a bit longer. I tend to be targeted early on, and it's no fun going out too soon. Also, I'm green again, so I figured I'll have to snatch a role myself, if Qatol is so greedy with them. Third, I have never been in office before, and it's about time that I did  But the most important thing is, look at the previous game. Even tho I had good guesses and insight and made some good role-spotting, it was ultimately all in vain, as I had no trust from the Town. The Town was absolutely disorganized, and was led in a way that I disagree with. This brings me to my own policies. I disagree with the way of leading the Town which Showtime! has outlined. The game is not about 1-2 players moving behind everyone's back. The Town needs to know all the information (except that which could be used by the Mafia), and that's exactly my policy. Complete transparency. Starting from "need to know" and disclosing information in rare cases is exactly the opposite of that. A good Mayor will want to share as much info as possible, and only if they think it might hurt the Town more than help it, will they resort to a "need to know" basis. About the use of the Pardoner: I absolutely think the role should be used. If only on the first lynch even. Unless there is a very good candidate for the first lynch, I think they should be pardoned. Usually there just isn't enough information about anyone to warrant such a quick lynch. With that in mind, I believe the best people for office are those with the best behavioural-analysis powers. The longer such people can stay alive, and the longer they can provide insight and promote activity, the better for the Town. Ver obviously comes to mind, as well as Ace, but he's not running (which already makes him a tad bit suspicious to me, since his was the first post, so he's obviously active). As for Caller and BC: I think when comparing them to Ver they lack in the qualities I suggested - I'm a strong proponent of behavioural analysis over clue analysis, so I'd rather go with someone who's like-minded there. Personally I will vote for Ver (for the time being), as I believe that with a little communication it will be easy for both of us to figure out where we stand. If he's Town, he can make it rather easy for me to read, if he's Mafia, I feel that I'll be able to sense that soon as well. So that's it basically, I encourage you to try me out in office, and gl hf all | ||
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On May 16 2009 22:03 Showtime! wrote: Predictable as always Mynock! Where did I ever say that's the way I would lead the town? My post addresses two things: - I'm running for Mayor - skills I've used in previous TL Mafia games. In other words, it doesn't address my platform. As Mayor, I will be able to micro-manage our assets accordingly and transparency is the ultimate sacrifice someone has to make in that role. It is detrimental to a Town victory. I'm very familar with the role. I have no intention relying on 1-2 players at all. I always switch up strategies, regardless of role. Mayors have to share everything they got. It forces me to keep no Aces in the hole. You say: Why not? ... - Normally I play on a need to know basis. In other words, I will only share info that is confirmed. You also played like this back in Ace's Mafia World IIRC when u were in the inner Town circle. Most people were just annoyed by irrational calling-outs and no info caused by that play-style, I've pointed it out back then as well. Unless you can suddenly turn your style around, I don't think it's a good way to lead the Town. It really isn't anything against you, it's just that I said it so many times: the way you play causes a LOT of confusion, and it's just not good for Town. I'm already confused as to why you contradict yourself in your previous post :/ Btw, I really think you make good insights, but I also feel that you fail to realise them due to a sloppy way of playing. | ||
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I believe the first lynch, which is essentially a roll of dice, can be pardoned. Unless of course, there is some solid evidence about anyone in particular, but that's rarely the case on Day1. Another idea is to make the first lynch a democratic one. If I'm voted into office and the Town agrees to this idea, I will make a separate thread where everybody can vote for the first day lynch, and I will act upon it. This eliminates those doubts L brought up. Also, there is no problem with the Pardoner pardoning a Mafia. If it's an obvious candidate and the Pardoner uses his skill, then the Town has 2 CONFIRMED Mafia. No, they won't play that move to save themselves a day. It's nothing the Town can't fix the next day with a Double Lynch, unless, how Ace already pointed out, it's towards the end of the game, but by that time, we'll know a lot more about the elected people's allegiance anyway. Also, even tho IDEALLY it's great to have a Medic and a DT in office, REALISTICALLY it won't work. You can't tell people "vote on whoever you think feels like a Medic!", it obviously won't work. Also, it's not in Town's interest to publicly discuss who could be a blue, only who's red. Obviously, the circle is narrowed down for Mafia, so we don't want to give them any hints, right? So, I can only repeat myself and Ace when I say, there is almost no difference between the two office roles. And realistically, we want able people in the office, people who can aid the Town as long as possible. Since Ace also joined the campaign, it'll be interesting to see how things turn out eventually. I'd be comfortable with either Ver or Ace in office, but personally, it's perhaps a bit harder for me to read Ver than Ace Also, where's Plexa, where's Camlito? | ||
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On May 17 2009 08:29 nemY wrote: Ok well... I hate to do this, especially because this is not the way I'd like to earn mayor/pardoner position, but I feel it must be done... folks of Liquidia, I'm one of the two Detectives. Why have I came out and admitted this? Because I feel that my position may have already been compromised. I've received PMs from multiple individuals who seem to think that I may be a blue, and now I'm confirming it. Why am I confirming this? Because if people that have PMed are smart enough to sense that I'm a possible blue then the mafia already knows this and probably has me under their crosshairs. I'll admit, I don't carry the swagger of Ace, possess the intuitiveness of Mynock, and actually in general, I'm a pretty sucky townie. This wouldn't be that big of a deal if I was a townie, but I'm not! All this said I realize this is going to take a lot of faith from the town. I can't be cross-checked after I'm elected, so this is pretty much an all-or-nothing scenario. Either I'm elected, and safe for awhile, or I'm not and subsequently fucked (along with the town). If elected as mayor/pardoner I plan to use the 3 role checks ASAP, because frankly, the town can't afford for this game to go into extra innings. The sooner we've exhausted all possible true leads, the better and as DT I intend to do this. I really didn't want/still don't want to do this, but I feel that it's the best possible way to keep at least one DT safe for now. If in the event that I'm not elected... well c'est la vie :/ Well, gotta hate this kind of play .Several other options also present themselves, and I'd be curious as to who sent u those PMs? Would people who msged nemY come out and say why they put him on blue and why they then have msged him? Altho it's an easy option (a guy with NO platform running for office), there are other options to use this info, like making Mafia waste their hits by putting medic protection on you, etc... How much time before the elections end? | ||
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On May 17 2009 09:17 L wrote: No it isn't. Its incredibly fucking easy. I can already name 3 blue roles from the way people are acting, its pretty transperant. If he's part of the town, he will never pardon. If he is mafia, he will. The only exception will be a mass voteswing from a confirmed mafia which shouldn't happen if people are active. I mean, are you blind or some shit? I've layed this out repeatedly. L, you're wrong on pretty much every account. No, a Town can't vote blues into office because "it's incredibly fucking easy". That's just nonsense, I don't see how you don't understand it. Maybe if you actualy laid out a plan as to how you thought it to work, I can show you where it fails. No, a Mafia won't use the Pardoner role if the Town has a major suspect. If they had Pardoner they won't give it up that easily, besides losing the guy whom the Pardoner saved anyway. The Pardoner will be lynched the next day, the saved target vigied the same night. You're assuming Mafia will send some Rambo into office who will jump into action and fuck Town in every orifice as soon as elected. Again, that's nonsense. 2 Mafias means 33% of all Mafia population, you think the Mafia will sacrifice one third of their members to postpone the Town a day? Seriously? | ||
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On May 17 2009 09:33 L wrote: Look at people's posting histories, determine what role they're likely playing and why they're acting in the way that they are. Extrapolate from there. This is how nearly all of the blues were gutted last game. You can start turn 1. We did. It worked. Are you seriously suggesting an "every Townie for himself" deal here? Great for you that you're such a brilliant mastermind, but I have a feeling that vast majority of Town isn't limping around popping Vicodin all day. Yes, they will. If they can delay a kill and secure the KP they need to end the game, the mafia will pardon. The mafia might even pardon a double innocent lynch in order to drain both double lynches for the cost of a single confirmed target. I've been mafia every single game until this one. I was one of the main strategy organizers during mafia 2, in which there WAS a mafia pardoner. I've been in their position and I know what they do with that position. I was in a Mafia family with our Godfather in office, so I know how that looks like too. You're assuming the pardoner would pardon the first mafia that's targetted. No, I don't. I'm assuming they would lay still and be happy to have a guy in the office, and not compromise it with wild pardoning. I'm assuming a mafia pardoner would pardon either at a moment when doing so would effectively end the game by saving enough KP to give mafia a majority in votes, or by forcing a re-double lynch. By that time the game would end, and by that time, we'd have the pardoner figured out. If not, it's irrelevant, because it's gg if such an action can swing it. Bottom line is, are you seriously suggesting that everyone just votes left and right for whomever they believe is blue? Because if yes, I'd like to ask Town to ignore this proposition completely, and be a bit more organized about it. | ||
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On May 17 2009 08:43 Mynock wrote: Several other options also present themselves, and I'd be curious as to who sent u those PMs? Would people who msged nemY come out and say why they put him on blue and why they then have msged him? On May 17 2009 11:33 Ver wrote: Now Nemy, I want you to list exactly who pm'ed you about being a blue. Then I want those people to confirm it publically. nemY, if you indeed want to help the Town, please do this. Other than that, putting you on Traitor explains a lot of your actions. No platform, causing disturbance, trying to get into office no matter what, possibly luring out DTs... It fits. | ||
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Anyway, I was pulling an all-nighter with my translation stuff here, but enough is enough, I'm off to bed for now | ||
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Saying nothing but voting nemY? WTF? | ||
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Whoever is voting for nemY to be in office is either making a big mistake or is playing into the hands of Mafia on purpose. I agree with Ace, that the first lynch might be well used on nemY. | ||
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On May 17 2009 22:56 Ace wrote: Yo Mynock I was thinking of this little scenario, it's kinda interesting. Mayors and Pardoners can't be figured out by DTs. So surely we expect one of the candidates to be Mafia. Whoever it is must think they have a reasonable shot at winning. They probably thought about this but didn't want to bring it up: All losing candidates should be investigated by a DT. whoa whats that? Yup, if you lose you are getting investigated. So now whoever that mafia candidate is HAS to win if the Town goes forward with this idea. Losing the election means getting found out. So if you weren't winning at first it might be a good idea to get real desperate huh? Absolutely agreed. This also kinda points me to nemY again. If he is indeed elected, there is no way of him ever being proved unless lynched. And how convenient for him to be a DT. A DT can't prove himself with any actions either, but can lead the Town around in many ways. Had he claimed Vigi, he would have to prove himself soon enough. Medic? Same thing. Veteran? It's useless to have him in office, if anything, a Veteran is worth more UNprotected. And if he is indeed DT, it's just a very bad move on his side. | ||
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I'd like to encourage you to either vote for me or Ace. The vote tallies are very close this time, so everything will be decided by 1 or 2 voices tops. Watch out for nemY suddenly getting a couple critical votes in the last minutes. Or anyone else for that matter. | ||
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On May 18 2009 02:58 L wrote: Excuse me? I've posted far more logical and detailed analysis than you have despite you tossing out 2 long posts full of emotionally laden 'whoa oh shit, lets lynch the douchebag' casual text. Your argument has been presented in its entirety before, but you spruced it up and added a bunch of flavor text, remember after all, when ace plays he believes that: So posting the same "it was a dumb move, ergo he is mafia + we need to kill him" content was pretty spot on, but you completely ignored the counter argument. There's probably an entire's page worth of writing on the topic which you ignored. Why would you want to knock Nemy out of office? Well, for one, you're number three. You're the one that directly loses out on an office position. Two: you ver and mynock have supported each other in a circular fashion, then all seemingly dissapeared from the thread. What's more, the vast majority of supporters on your nemy position were people who bandwagoned you/ver/mynock very early without much posting like dreamflower. SUSPICIOUS? Just about as suspicious as someone calling out Plexa, which I agree was a fucking retarded vote. What's more, your rebuttal of my 'nonsense claims' echoes EXACTLY WHAT I'VE BEEN SAYING. Mafia will ONLY reveal pardoner once they can end the game or when the trade off is beyond worth it. 15 player games have far less sacrifice potential than we currently have, especially if the pardoner gets tied up in clue evidence and is going to be a target in a day or two. ONCE THEY DO, however, WE ARE DOWN AN ENTIRE DAY. Your rebuttal of trying to get blues into office is that you believe you're worth more to the town than a blue role, but the problem there, as I stated earlier, is that your personal capital makes you a prime target for a mafia candidacy. What's more; you keep promoting you, ver, and Mynock, which is interesting because you three started out circularly voting for each other. Its very possible, and in my mind probable that there's at least one mafia between the three of you. The most dangerous part to you, however, is that nemY isn't going to win by a landslide at current rates: he's going to take the mafia coveted pardoner spot. Unlike in previous games where the mayor had networking ability, the only thing he has here is a double vote and his target will likely be voted upon by the town anyways, so that's that. That said, you did end up reading 8 pages in an hour and a quarter minutes, seeing as you got up around 4:45 est, right? Maybe you ought to go back and actually read instead of scaremongering. You seem to have gone to sleep around 8pm last night too, which would be around 1.5 pages ahead of where you said you started off. Either you purposely ignored the thread (good mayor work there) or you've been lying. Feel free to provide me more information. Exact times, if you would. So let me interject: if one of you is mafia, which is likely, you'd act exactly how mafia acted in mafia 2, which is exactly how you're acting now. Its what we did before. Its what I'd do if I was mafia. So this is how you play when you're not Red? :/ Accusing people left and right shaking with paranoia and delusions? Good grief, you almost bit poor Incognito's head off when he suggested you might be Mafia. Take it easy. Can you explain to me how if 1 of us 3 is Mafia, we keep supporting each other circularly? The 2 Townies play along coz they feel like losing? Or just 1 Townie? Maybe all 3 of us are Mafia? Let's hear some more well-based accusations from you. Also, one point here to mention. Ace suggested to check those who don't get into office. As it stands right now, he's one of them, and he wasn't going to get into office at the time he suggested it either. If Ace is a Mafia trying to get to power, as it is right now, he'd be busted as soon as the voting is over. So think about it. | ||
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L, to make it a bit more clear, the problem both Ace (I think) and I have here, is that you're dealing with some virtual Mafia game's Day 7, while we're actually trying to address the issues of here and now. And your constant paranoia and shouting does get a bit tiresome. I understand your position and your concerns, but I just don't feel they're as valid and of such high priority to deal with them extensively. That aside, there is one point I agree with you on, and that is the upstart of a Mafia Mayor as quickly as possible. However, out of the leading candidates, that only applies to Ver. I have been wondering myself where Ver could have gone, because he's made virtually no input after his initial campaining and a brief cameo after nemY RCed (granted, his campaigning put him in a comfortable spot, but still...). If Ver is out there and active, I'd like to hear his take on this matter. | ||
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On May 18 2009 04:06 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Guys just mentioning this for well why not. Why are we voting mynock? I mean period? In every game I have played with him/hosted. He has never come off as someone I would want to follow. Ace plays a similar style (not exact but they have similar ways of dealing with things) that I wouldnt want to follow either, but he has way way way more experience so would be a better candidate over mynock in that sense, but seriously, we want someone to be elected with pretty well no leadership experience(see last game, he was part of malongos fun pals). The way i see it, Ver is in, showtime, caller and myself although would make good leaders obviously aren't getting the position, so that leaves Ace, mynock, and nemy for the other slot? fuck, give it to ace of the 3, then med protect nemy. Mynock has yet to seriously prove himself in my eyes to deserve that slot, and again YOU ALL FLAMED ME for wanting pardoner, YOU ALL FLAMED NEMY for wanting pardoner, but its ok for mynock, thats called bullshit. I'm the one who said it's perfectly OK to run for Pardoner, and that it's not at all suspicious that you did it either | ||
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Ver disappeared (no feedback whatsoever, he's essentially running on his name alone now). Ace is always a solid vote (good player, and there's only 1/5 chance he's mafia to begin with even before the roles are given out). I'm active and trying to react to whatever comes up. I stated previously that I'm comfortable with Ace or Ver in office as well (or both), but Ver's behaviour has changed since then and that makes me a little uneasy. So I'd like you to reconsider the things I've said again. I'm content with any office position (I didn't specifically ask for Pardonner, let's not mix things up), I just said that this game the two roles are pretty much the same (and no, L's ramblings don't change anything, BC) so I'd be glad with any. I want to make more this game than in certain others, and I feel I can, but I need room to do it. That comfy office will have room enough! Sure, nemY being a DT would be nice (even then, good PLAYERS > good ROLES), but let's stop for a second and realise that nemY is fishy as fuck. And his play does not warrant any kind of trust at all. So ideally, I'd like to enter office and try to be as useful as I can so I'd like you to vote for me, or alternatively, at least don't vote nemY in. | ||
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OK, Ver just posted finally, let's read | ||
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On May 18 2009 08:42 Ver wrote: I will update this regularly so the town can have a guide as to who I think is innocent and guilty. Mafia list: Ace 95% mrbabyhands 92% Mynock 90% MTF 80% L 78% Infinity21 70% Traitor: Nemy 90% Innocents list: Caller 97% BC 93% Malongo 85% Tricode 84% Lucaswoj 83% Incognito 80% Fusionsdf 77% Denied. I think BC is very fishy. L is almost certainly innocent. Either LucasWoJ or Malongo are fishy. Incognito is fishy. I also think the Mafia isn't acting too organized this time, or at least aren't rowing for office as hard. The reason? You. I wasn't really impressed by your post Ver. Neither am I impressed by that list, but it will prove useful. There are way too many assesments I disagree with on there, and knowing my own position I can assume I'll be more correct here. I'll agree with nemY, Tricode and Infinity tho. That's about it. Way too many differences for my liking. I don't quite understand why the difference would be so strong though. Would we be looking at the same picture and see completely different things? Not likely if you're innocent. But what bugs me most is the way you play it now, which is almost identical to you being called out last game, and responding with a huge post. And suddenly you have a change of heart and want both Ace and me out? That's not confusing at all! | ||
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When does voting end? An hour? Two? Less? | ||
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Since I promised transparency, here is why: I have been supporting either Ver or Ace (didn't really matter to me, they both seemed legit enough, and both tend to think in a similar fashion), however Ver's last posts made me raise my eyebrows. Also, he pretty much accuses me of being Mafia flat-out, which isn't a good ground for cooperation in office. Since I don't have enough time to stick around, I think I should pull my vote now. Then why Ace, why not abstain or someone else? Voting for anybody else besides Ver and nemY ATM is the same as abstaining, as the votes they have aren't enough to matter. However, I wouldn't like nemY in office either (I'll stay consistent on this one as I think this is important), so then it should be Ace, as he has the highest chances (besides Ver) to compete with nemY. This is the logical part, and obviously there's a less rational, more emotional one: I know Ace a bit more than the others here, and so far there's nothing alarming for me. We might seem buddy-buddy, but in this case I don't think it's that bad at all. We play DotA together, we play Mafia together, our approaches seem to coincide often, so for now Ace will get my trust. In case I am elected Mayor, I will opt to lynch nemY. Why not Ver? In case he doesn't get into office it doesn't warrant losing a good player if indeed he is innocent. He is also in the runners list which will be checked anyway (ASAP preferably), so he'll be lit soon. I'm off to bed, I might only be able to check this thread tomorrow from work, so it will be around 12-14 hrs from now. | ||
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Ver is Mafia, this is obvious (maybe Traitor, maybe). I wish I posted this as soon as I saw his post-election message. I was expecting exactly 3 blues to die tonight, altho I didnt expect them to be BGs. Why? Because Ver told us so. He said the Mafia will probably go out sniping blues, so that ONCE that happens, he can come out and say "see, told ya". Which is exactly what he did. Also, something else, the long Night, Qatol waiting for hits? Ver was waiting for the two BGs to roleclaim to him (and I agree with Ace here, I doubt they even READ the rules, and knew they were unknown to the elects), after which he put the kills on them. This is why I think hes more likely Mafia than Traitor. Yet another point, Vers defense right now is shit. All he does is he tries to avoid any issues Ace brings up, and tries to shift the blame on others (me in particular, as hes done it before). Ver is basically trying to play the same card as last game (which he also admitted, he didnt target me because I was a suspect), and derail the suspicion from him. One more thing to note: Ver is also more likely Mafia because of the voting patterns. He is the only candidate in the bunch who never actually lacked in votes. He is the one candidate who ran ASAP and posted maybe 1-2 posts throughout the whole thing. In his spare time he was busy arranging things with his Mafia buddies. Theres more, but I tried to keep it brief, and this foreign keyboard is killing me Summary: Lynch Ver now, dont repeat the mistake of the previous game. | ||
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BC, you're fishy as fuck. You know, syringes and Showtime!... What? Google showtime and go to the third link on the 2nd Google hit (oh, Google suggest a correction, so press that obv) and scroll down to the third picture from the left and you'll see a syringe in the background? I didn't even bother looking up any of that. You know what the whole BLOODY ordeal reminded me of? A BLOODY COBBLER if anything. But I don't rely on riddles to try to find any connections here. I just look at how you post and what you do. And you're trying to post retarded links out of nowhere. L follows suit because he has a Pardoner fetish and has to somehow deal with his raging hard-on which he had ever since the elections started (has L ever made a post where the word "pardon" appears less than 38 times?) I found a flaw in my arguments. I'm being too calm and focused here. I have to change that, because people won't understand my points otherwise. I have to do it like Ace, so here goes... FUCKING LOOK AT VER IDIOTS! What's he doing now? SHIT ALL. The same thing he did last game when he was mafia as well. If we don't lynch Ver tonight I'm gonna fucking PM EVERY GODDAMN Townie after the game, telling them how THEY SUCK and should never ever play a game of Mafia again. 20 PMS AT LEAST! Maybe more... IF YOU DARE GET DIVERTED FROM YOUR FUCKING MAFIA MAYOR JUST LIKE YOU DID LAST GAME, I WILL FUCKING GO TO YOUR HOUSE AND MURDER YOU! So, let me get this clear now... Townies vote Ver. If you're a Townie you know you vote Ver. If you're scum, or a paranoid delusional maniac with a Pardoner-fetish you vote whatever else comes to your mind, and we'll deal with that later. IF VER ISNT MAFIA (or traitor), LYNCH ME IMMEDIATELY. If I'm wrong on this one, call me stupid, call me retarded, call me whatever, I'll deserve it. | ||
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On May 20 2009 10:16 L wrote: Also, Mynock, start posting more. Hope you liked that. | ||
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I don't even care if Ver is Mafia or not. This Mayor does shit all and causes confusion. Good riddance. | ||
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On May 20 2009 10:35 L wrote: Are you fucking retarded? Do you even read? VOTE ACE. if we don't VIG HIT HIM FOR THE LOVE OF GOD. Both people in office need to be killed so we can examine how the election went. EVERY game that a mafia is elected, he is ALWAYS supported by his friends. I don't even care if one or the other is innocent as long as BOTH die and we get the information we need. The FASTEST way to do this is to double and kill ace to prevent him from side pardoning during the lynch. If we lynch ver today and everyone agrees ace is mafia tomorrow, we're still fucked because we're dealing with the same pardoner + double lynch scenario. Actually, to be completely fair (and to diverge a little from the rambling style for a while) I understand what you're saying here. I just feel you're working on a very basic, very mechanical level. You don't count in behaviour at all, or rather, do it in a very convoluted way, as if it's something mystical and unexplainable... It's simple stuff actually, and it manifests in small, simple clues. Just as an example: as soon as Ver made that accusatory post and Ace and I rebutted that, Ver goes on saying "oh OK, I liked Ace's response, but Mynock, humm, he's fishy fishy". Why? To set Ace up vs me and vice-versa. Why would he do that if he was innocent? Because he made a miscalculation about me? Nuh-uh, I'm not suspicious on THAT level, and I know it. Ver knows it too. He wouldn't make such a mistake. Simple stuff, but it's subtle. And Town misses that, and Ver knows THAT. Oh, how well he does, he pulled the same stunts last game. If he's not Mafia, I'll have to say this is the worst Townie play I've ever seen from Ver. Period. I'll also admit I suck at reading people. So go on, prove me wrong... | ||
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On May 20 2009 10:40 Incognito wrote: Then vigi Ace tonight if Ver flips not town. You meant to say, vigi Ace if Ver flips Town? | ||
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And whenever I come online in the afternoon to check what's going on, I end up posting like 3 hours after the last post Whatever, just rambling here... | ||
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On May 20 2009 10:52 0cz3c wrote: But what if Nemy flips blue? Ver, BC, 0cz3c... | ||
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On May 20 2009 10:28 Mynock wrote: This is just brilliant. And I thought the previous Town was dumb. BC, you're fishy as fuck. You know, syringes and Showtime!... What? Google showtime and go to the third link on the 2nd Google hit (oh, Google suggest a correction, so press that obv) and scroll down to the third picture from the left and you'll see a syringe in the background? I didn't even bother looking up any of that. You know what the whole BLOODY ordeal reminded me of? A BLOODY COBBLER if anything. But I don't rely on riddles to try to find any connections here. I just look at how you post and what you do. And you're trying to post retarded links out of nowhere. L follows suit because he has a Pardoner fetish and has to somehow deal with his raging hard-on which he had ever since the elections started (has L ever made a post where the word "pardon" appears less than 38 times?) I found a flaw in my arguments. I'm being too calm and focused here. I have to change that, because people won't understand my points otherwise. I have to do it like Ace, so here goes... FUCKING LOOK AT VER IDIOTS! What's he doing now? SHIT ALL. The same thing he did last game when he was mafia as well. If we don't lynch Ver tonight I'm gonna fucking PM EVERY GODDAMN Townie after the game, telling them how THEY SUCK and should never ever play a game of Mafia again. 20 PMS AT LEAST! Maybe more... IF YOU DARE GET DIVERTED FROM YOUR FUCKING MAFIA MAYOR JUST LIKE YOU DID LAST GAME, I WILL FUCKING GO TO YOUR HOUSE AND MURDER YOU! So, let me get this clear now... Townies vote Ver. If you're a Townie you know you vote Ver. If you're scum, or a paranoid delusional maniac with a Pardoner-fetish you vote whatever else comes to your mind, and we'll deal with that later. IF VER ISNT MAFIA (or traitor), LYNCH ME IMMEDIATELY. If I'm wrong on this one, call me stupid, call me retarded, call me whatever, I'll deserve it. | ||
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The solution is so fucking simple: Lynch Ver. If he's innocent, we can Vigi Ace easily (and you don't even have to endure another Pardoner nightmare again, hey!). If he's Mafia, we go after other prime Mafia suspects (like Plexa and co.) Simple stuff, but requires a bit of logical thinking before. As opposed to convoluted paranoid stuff with no thinking behind it (or rather overthinking certain stuff, completely ignoring other). | ||
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You guys will be had, once again. Unless the likes of Showtime! and Caller stop acting to hurt the Town every step of the lynching, this vote will be controlled by Mafia. Oh shi~! That's exactly what they want, you say!? | ||
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Just so you know, this is all the information you get from our PMs with Ace this round: From: Ace Subject: Re: Hey Date: 5/18/09 00:19 paranoid towny, or mafia trying to change his style. Either way I'm slightly ignoring his posts at the moment. ----------------------------------------- Original Message: What do u think about L? Let's see how you can process the ridiculous amount of data in all that. | ||
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Everything is in perfect order for him. He knows he's busted, but hey, the Town won't lynch him anyway, they have L! "He'll make sure Town wastes this lynch, so why the fuck should we even be involved, right?" Ver will come in towards the very end, put his votes on Ace, and that's that. And the other Mafiosi? By that time they'll be all around on random targets, or on Ver himself. If Ver's votes suddenly get a surge, he'll come in sooner. He'll make a long post shifting the blame to all kinds of people, and we might see some of those who voted away from Ace, suddenly return, "convinced" by Ver's post. This is why voting Ver makes the most sense. Whoever doesn't want to lynch Ver now, is suspicious, if the Ver votes gain momentum, whoever tries to turn the tide is suspicious. Remember tho, Ver still hasn't even played his 2 votes yet! That without even making his soon-to-come post about why Ace such a juicier target, bound to convince some gullible Townies. Do you realize just how deep his rake is up your asses yet? | ||
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On May 21 2009 03:42 L wrote: I'm cool with having ver vig hit the first night. Where's the delay here? Regardless of what we do, we can't knock down KP with a single kill. the double lynch happens essentially during the same kp cycle as our vig hit, so why depend on the vig? O_o. Apparently you don't understand what I'm saying here. Ver doesn't come because everything goes to plan? Why? Cause we're about to lynch an innocent. He knows he's out, but why would he be involved here? No need. The Town is making a mistake as it is now, and he needs not to intervene. Stop with your endless accusations of Ace, you'll see how Ver jumps back here in an instant. | ||
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So anyway... Great fucking job all. And Ver tells the Town it plays bad? Oh sure. You basically shat on the whole game, being in the most important position none the less. Sure, go ahead and take out your lulz or whatever for misreading you. I simply gave you too much credit. I somehow assumed, that one of our (supposedly) BEST players, would actually contribute more than tossing the Town into chaos. I read you absolutely correctly. Out of all the possible options, why the hell should I have included "oh, Ver is probably just totally fed up with the game, so he prolly won't even bother replying even tho he's following the thread, and he's prolly gonna ask to be modkilled anyway, and oh, he's veteran" possibility into my guesses? Yeah, how foolish of me. Maybe it's because I assumed it's a vet game, and people would actually play, especially OUR MAYOR of all people. Especially after he promised it 30 times. You completely misread Ace, Ver. And L did too, of course. Yeah, I was wrong about your role (not about you per se tho, because lynching you WAS better for the Town), but L was wrong on pretty much every account. I thought both Ace and me made it blatantly obvious we're not Mafia. Don't go blaming him, I got his message. Whatever, you won't even read this anyway. Why the hell do I have to be so disappointed again? Goddamn. Even I thought that Ver would do some work in the office, or otherwise, why take it away from someone who actually wants to (ME)!? You're the one who completely misplayed his role Ver! I don't even want to point out any of the flaws, because I don't have the will, nor will you ever read it anyway. I'm just disappointed again. Anyway, n00b teammates, look at their items, feeders, etc, etc... I'll fume myself off somewhere, maybe I'll come back to try and patch this shit up. Maybe not, I don't care ATM. Next time, maybe you guys will vote for me. | ||
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My access to TL.net has been utterly rhapsodic lately, but I'll use this window while it still works, and post my thoughts on the matter. First, I'll start with a message I wanted to post last night (right when MBH made his post about soon to reveal Mafias en masse, but before he actually did it), but that's exactly when my net broke off, so I had to keep it in txt: I sent a PM to Bockit back during the whole Ver/Ace/L debacle, and it represented my guesses on Mafia back then (quite heavily skewed, due to Ver's doings): To: Bockit Subject: If I had to guess now Date: 5/21/09 01:02 Mafia list: + Show Spoiler + Ver BC Caller Plexa Dreamflower fusionsdf (either Mafia or possibly Blue) Traitor: nemY Somewhat suspicious (need to see more of them): Infundibulum Incognito Now, obviously the whole Ver line has been a false lead, which at that time most prominently included Ver himself and dreamflower (I suspected they are together and they were, unfortunately Ver played the way he did, and so, meh... completely off). I have been correct on Caller, and frankly, no surprise there, I said he's one the most shifty back when Ver made his defense post of him, and attacked me. Caller, and Ver's subsequent defense of him were also one of the primary reasons for me to start on the whole Ver thing. However, if I had to modify my findings now, I'd say I have to modify things, tho I'm still suspicious of Incognito and fusionsdf. First, I'm very suspicious of MTF right now. The question now is either MBH or MTF. The thing about MTF is, he's playing it just as he was back the last time he was Mafia. Providing rather useless clue interpretations, which are not only wrong, but are geared towards the primary, most popular targets at the time. So basically, nothing new. In his last post he didn't even make any direct accusations, merely listed clues, and among them, lots of obvious non-clues. In particular, he pursued the very popular "small man" + "hands" clue. Which brings us to MBH. If MBH is innocent, MTF is Mafia. It's probably true vice versa as well. I'm also suspicious of HeavOnEarth. His posting style brings absolutely nothing to the table, and is merely good to keep him afloat. Perfect for a Mafia, or a blue role in hiding. Why Mafia then? If he was a DT, he would be pointing us in directions by now, but none of that happened yet. Also suspicions: 0cz, fusionsdf, Incognito... Of these, we should see more posts, and I will explain why 0cz later on. I have to run now, but it's something I wanted to let out in front. My suspicion list will be modified once we get to hear from MBH. Until then, the traps are set So, huh. Since then, 0cz has been blown out of the water, and Tricode made quite a bang himself I won't even add anything to the 0cz case, what's left now, is to wait the lynch. Tricode is absolutely doomed with that PM tho, so even tho I have to admit I had very little suspicion on him before, this is ridiculously incriminating.But apart from these, the most interesting for me right now are MTF and HeavOnEarth. Both fit just what I expected from them (especially HOE's immediate defense as soon as he got called out, even tho he didn't say anything at all before, and his subsequent tries at "analysis" are rather incriminating). Bockit called out HOE rather nicely there, which only confirms my own doubts, and I'm glad to see he is somewhat suspicious of MTF as well. So what do we do now? We wait and see if MBH is on our side. If yes, we have a rather clear picture here. If not, it all turns around. Oh, and, MTF wrote: WTF Random Votes: 2 Mynock (x2) Nope, those votes aren't as random as you'd like them to seem to be | ||
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Vivi57 - 6 MTF(1) 0cz3c(2) <-- from BloodyC0bbler nemY(1) RebirthOfLeGenD(2) Scaramanga(1) <-- from 0cz3c fusionsdf(2) I do not like where this is going at all. I think we know rather clearly where nemY's allegiance lies (a "confirmed" DT surviving up to day 3? Puhleeeze!), especially after we've seen how Caller tried to push Town to roleclaim to him (goddamn I hope no one did). So what do we know from that? We know that the Mafia is very likely lynching an innocent here. 0cz, MTF, nemY, fusion... All are suspects of mine, and all voting Vivi. This doesn't seem right. | ||
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Thanks, you clarified this even more for me. Vivi57 is definitely mafia. snapped his fingers and turned him into flames. This is referencing Vivi's magic powers in final fantasy as someone else noted earlier (I believe MTF?) The stabbed in the throat referencing DT. Vivi57 icon is DT. In summation, kill Vivi57, cut mafia KP. Win life. If HeavOnEarth flips Red, you just got yourself killed. Edit: broken brackets. | ||
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Vote for 0cz3c first. I'm absolutely not a fan of MBH's "clue analysis" part of the incrimination, but then again I'm not a fan of clue interpreting either. However, we need this cleared now. 0cz3s is suspicious as it is, and we need to figure out where MBH stands. So 0cz should be Vote1. As to vote 2, choose between Tricode and HeavOnEarth. Don't let Vivi die yet. If Tricode and HOE turn up red, we'll have a Townie saved, and if not, we'll just have a suspicion. As things stand right now tho, the whole Vivi movement looks very Mafia-bandwagonish, and must be stopped ASAP. | ||
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On May 24 2009 10:14 nemY wrote: Cans somebody summarize to me why they think 0cz3c is mafia? Like with specific examples...? All out of traitorish things to do? :/ | ||
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On May 24 2009 10:25 nemY wrote: What? Do you mean, "Out of all traitorish things to do?" No, I mean, did u run all out? | ||
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Plexa is in serious WTF mode now. Gnight. | ||
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Again, completely "on the other side of the Globe" . This being the only European in the game doesn't work out for me.Also, I lost half my motivation after not getting elected, then another half when Ace got killed, then the last one when Ver didn't turn up red I was right about Incognito (sent him a PM at the end saying he needs some suspicion or the Mafia will kill him soon, lawl), Caller, Ace. I was right about 3 people -_- Quite pathetic. To my defense, it's really difficult to play this game without any immediate feed-back. I come up, I post, nobody's online. I go to bed, I come back up, wham! 8 pages of posts. I skim through them, I miss half of vital info, I post again, no response, as everyone is already offline... Why is it that Europeans aren't into Mafia wars? :/ | ||
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On May 25 2009 05:20 HeavOnEarth wrote: as a townie i must say i was pleasantly(?) surprised/ confused when mafia decided to throw the game. After what has happened, MBH was a goner, and Showtime! has overexposed himself as well (I even promised Tricode I'd re-read all of Showtime!'s posts and find out if what he and BC did was intentional, that is, if they're Mafia). I haven't ever imagined BC as Mafia tho (same as nemY, really), too much exposure for a Mafiosi. Like I said, by that time it was MBH vs MTF, and even I would have been convinced of MTF's innocence after that. Lol, sorry for calling your clue analysis worthless MTF, just goes to show how I have no idea about clues. Also, sorry Tricode, but even tho I really thought you were green all the way (as I told u in PMs), lynching you would still have been a good sacrifice, because we'd get to both Showtime! and BC . You played good tho, even when accused, from your defense you looked completely innocent, it's just that PM blunder that got you screwed. By comparison, 0cz's defense was utter insanity, I didn't even bother to read any of it, because it made my eyes bleed after the first 10 lines. He could have cleared himself pretty calmly and convincingly, but he basically dug his own grave there. | ||
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On May 25 2009 05:23 mikeymoo wrote: @Tricode, although your points are valid, there are a few things you could have done to combat the bandwagon against you. Fight fire with fire. If they're bolding your name and using pretty colours, so the same back to them to show how stupid it really is to the townies. It's been said before, but even though the solution was in plain sight, the town needs somebody to step up and point out how obvious this is. I thought oczec did a really bang up job of that, personally. Even if he died, his posts would be scrutinized later, and deemed very viable. Lol, personally, I found it completely opposite. 0cz was raving and made no sense whatsoever, he only made me think he's guilty (hence I voted for him). I always thought Tricode was innocent, and after his defense I was almost 100% sure he is (hence I didn't vote for him), but that PM thing had to be cleared up eventually. | ||
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On May 25 2009 10:32 HeavOnEarth wrote: also i just realized that its impossible to use unit icons because they can change easily -fail When I saw people trying to tie clues to icons I said to myself "lolol, Mafia is so desperate!" If I had known this were actually Townies...  | ||
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