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On May 19 2009 06:24 L wrote: Tricode was arguing against that point when you said his statements were logical and good.
Contradiction again.
how many am I up to now? I like to know my score when I'm playing a game.
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On May 19 2009 06:25 Caller wrote: L and Ace, why are you guys still fighting? This is a really stupid point-whether or not we should lynch nemy-when we've barely started the game. At least wait until Day 2 and see if any clues point to him before you begin you ballasting of the other...
uh what? I don't think you've been paying attention so let me clear it up for you...
This whole lynching nemy idea is giving the town tons of information. I've expressed my views on why nemy is useless plenty of times.
L gets to see where my motives are, and so does the town.
I likewise get to see his motives too.
We also get to see the vote records of the people that voted one way, but said something else in the thread.
Oops almost forgot - we get to read posts about people for/against my idea of lynching nemy and how "supportive" they appear.
Last but not least, the best posts of all are those people that don't even pay attention to it and just try and bring up another point.
Trust me when I say I pay far more attention to everyone's posts than you people realize.
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oh shit happy birthday man!
But uh yeah, when did I say I skip any post without my name in it? I don't even remember saying that.
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o snap, happy birthday to Oz### too!
Him and Lucas have the same birthday - suspicious huh?
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On May 19 2009 06:57 0cz3c wrote: I thought I'd try my hand at this, by the way. Empirically based, by the way.
Mafia Percentages (Plus/Minus 5 percentage points for total accuracy) 1. Caller - 36% 2. Incognito - 34% 3. scamp - 14% 4. scaramanga - 98% 5. bloodyc0bbler - 31% 6. fishball - 19% 7. nemy - 78% 8. fusionsdf - 67% 9. Ver - 59% 10. bockit - 71% 11. plexa - 70% 12. camlito - 82% 13. showtime! - 20% 14. mikeymoo - 45% 15. dreamflower - 47% 16. ace - 9% 17. infundibulum - 43% 18. vivi57 - 38% 19. mynock - 28% 20. lucaswoj - 35% 21. amber[light] - 39% 22. rebirthoflegend - 89% 23. MTF - 78% 24. 0cz3c - 100% 25. infinity21 - 87% 26. heavonearth - 95% 27. Tricode - 94% 28. Malongo - 0% <---- 29. MrBabyHands - 69% 30. L - 63%
Chances that the person is NOT mafia (plus/minus say...2 percentage points) 1. Caller - 64% 2. Incognito - 66% 3. scamp - 86% 4. scaramanga - 0% 5. bloodyc0bbler - 69% 6. fishball - 50% 7. nemy - 36% 8. fusionsdf - 70% 9. Ver - 89% 10. bockit - 11% 11. plexa - 17% 12. camlito - 43% 13. showtime! - 19% 14. mikeymoo - 61% 15. dreamflower - 54% 16. ace - 91% 17. infundibulum - 85% 18. vivi57 - 42% 19. mynock - 28% 20. lucaswoj - 68% 21. amber[light] - 59% 22. rebirthoflegend - 0.0001% 23. MTF - 17% 24. 0cz3c - 100% 25. infinity21 - ~30% 26. heavonearth - 23% 27. Tricode - 35% 28. Malongo - 0% <--- 29. MrBabyHands - 25% 30. L - 34%
oh my, looks like you have a contradiction in your post.
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On May 19 2009 07:56 LucasWoJ wrote:Show nested quote +On May 18 2009 09:10 Ace wrote:I'd tl:dr your post Ver, but I just masturbated and got a sudden burst of energy. I'll also only address the part of your post directly with my name in it, since if a post doesn't include my name I skip it. Ace is taking this too far. He had his rope. He had his opportunity to go appear innocent. And he hung himself on it. It is not in the town's interests to lynch Nemy. Because here's the thing, we don't want to lynch the traitor. The traitor has no ACTUAL power. The traitor's only power is influence and words. He can cause mass chaos. But if we know who the traitor is, he is POWERLESS. Nemy is not mafia unless he is a sacrifice. That means we have no reason to lynch him! Yet Ace is going all out trying to get this.
Look at this from a behavior standpoint: Mafia are the ones who are this aggressive. See RoL and Attackzerg trying to get Ace lyched/discredited in BC's first game. Now for a direct comparison: remember when Ace defended mikeymoo in Caller's game (Ace was innocent so was Mikeymoo)? He was voracious in defending mikeymoo, but he was not voracious in lynching BC even though BC was full of BS. Yes he wanted BC lynched but he didn't go crazy like he is now. Because that's a sure sign of mafia behavior: being overaggressive to get a lynch.
In case anyone wants to relate to the Folca/Ace scenario, that is a completely different thing. Because then Folca roleclaimed with a specific intent to prove something, i,e that Ace was mafia. Thus in that circumstance Ace's logic train is true and the correct choice of action (and he would've done it if he was townie I'm sure). Because if you lynch the accuser you know everything about the accused role. However, now here Nemy just plain roleclaimed. WHY ON EARTH WOULD WE LYNCH HIM? WE GET NO BENEFIT. NOTHING.
Under the present circumstances there is NO reason to lynch Nemy.
Ace you screwed up. This is not Savior sense. This is not to the benefit of the town.
And you people who agree with his logic (mikeymoo, bockit), you guys better think through exactly what he's recommending. Game 3 and now are COMPLETELY DIFFERENT.
Furthermore, the Ace voting train, you guys are all suspect. You people are clearly trying to push him into mayor over me. Not gonna happen. I'll dissect through suspects in a bit.
Sorry - but this is where you fucked up. I've said it plenty of times, I'm aggressive because it's how I feel like being. Whether I'm townie or Mafia I play with a free conscience because I honestly don't think anybody can read anything I do and you've just proven my point. You can also ask Mr.BabyHands - I've played an aggressive townie style before. It's not a Mafia trait at all. Now onto your analysis of nemy. You've failed to point out something significant: The difference between this game and the game with BC was that I pointed out that BC might be the Village Idiot hence we don't even care what happens to him. The real danger is lynching mikeymoo because we have no information about him based on what BC did. This scenario is different as there is no one being accused - this is just a role claim at a bad time. What also makes this different is that unlike when Empyrean claimed DT on Day 1, nemy lied. In Mafia 2 I had no reason to lynch Empyrean as soon as I got Mayor because empyrean only claimed to be a DT and didn't say anything about having a way to prove it. So we just let him be. nemy got caught in a lie. Badly. See the difference? If nemy was a DT that just played his hand wrong we could surely just say ok buddy, no office for you and keep things hush after that. He lied on got caught and that changes everything as an innocent doesn't have to lie to the town on information that would help us greatly. Hell, he STILL hasn't even given it to us and when asked he tried to be cool like me - but failed. Also if nemy is a traitor - of course we lynch him. Do we have a better suspect? I don't think so. If he's a traitor that means he isn't working for the town which means he should die. Simple, really. See how all these scenarios are different? Nothing anyone says can explain why nemy lied. Nothing. So he gets the lynch. As for my vote train - meh. Whats so suspect about it? People know a good candidate when they see one. As for me being buddy/buddy with Mynock - what's the problem? I've supported him in every game I've played and there's no secret about it. I don't even have any clue what his role could possibly be but I've said this so many times - there isn't any reliable way to find out anybody's role right now so I base my votes off of ABILITY. Since I believe Mynock is one of the best candidates I voted for him. go ahead and try to analyze that, you'll end up like Versatile and we see how her logic worked out. So once again I'll state your analysis has FAILED. Based on pure playing ability myself and Mynock should be in office over anyone else, with the exception of maybe BC. Showtime! and Caller do better outside of leadership roles. I'm interested in hearing your retort to this post. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=93286¤tpage=25#492Thanks for helping me find this, LTT EDIT: Btw, thanks Ace, Qatol, and Caller.
I didn't write that. Ver logged into my account and did that.
honestly.
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Also to add, Ver I dont know why you included Infnity21 in your lynch. Originally it was just between amber[light] and him so now AL is a high priority target in my eyes.
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well if Mynock dies tonight(hint hint medics), and I know I'm innocent gee I guess that leaves Ver as the remaining one to be Mafia then.
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Being that he's been targeted on the first Night of just about every Mafia game he's been in I'm sure that pattern isn't changing anytime soon.
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I don't know what their motivation is, I'm not one of them. If he's an early target every game it must mean he's dangerous enough in most players eyes.
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oh really? Who's playing poorly? Point them out!
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nemy can you send in your mafia hit so we can get this show on the road? ffs
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hmm nemy, instead of being a smart guy and using his RC like any person without his head stuck in his ass would do, opts to use a CC - frees him from liability as when questioned he can just say oops it didn't point to that guy!
oh well you know where my vote is going
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Oh damn I refresh the page and look what happens. Ver, your a goner.
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On May 19 2009 13:34 Qatol wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2009 13:33 Ace wrote: hmm nemy, instead of being a smart guy and using his RC like any person without his head stuck in his ass would do, opts to use a CC - frees him from liability as when questioned he can just say oops it didn't point to that guy!
oh well you know where my vote is going Rolechecks cannot be used night 1.
I was assuming he meant Day 2
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Ver is mafia.
Out of 3 hits that went through BOTH bodyguards get hit? So you really want to kill me on Night 2 so fast eh?
Sorry nemy, I'll rape you on Day 3. Ver that was way to obvious, even for you.
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On May 19 2009 13:37 Incognito wrote:You told the Ver/Ace your role didn't you...Or you told them something
um...no. Nobody told me any of their roles.
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passed on what?
Look, we all know LucasWoj isn't exactly the most high-level player here but we do know he is the type to PM someone when he's on to something. In fact I'm pretty sure he was having conversations with Ver and revealed his role.
First the Mayor campaign that went by so fast with Ver disappearing. Then the shoddy vote switching. Then his attempt to call me out, then pacify me when I retort by saying it was a trap. So he agrees with me to make me feel as though were on the same side.
Oh my Ver, this is bad. Very bad for you indeed. Tell your buddy nemy he's next.
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