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Ace
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Let's assume I am the Mafia Pardoner and dreamflower is obviously mafia and is about to be lynched: why the fuck would I pardon him? That would just confirm to the town I'm surely guilty. As for the rest of your post there really isn't a need to respond. Even your wikipedia link (LOL) is sketchy - of all the things Ace could be linked to it seems like you searched long and hard to find that one specific thing to pin to me which is false evidence. Try again sherlock. | ||
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Ace
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bodyguards saw L posting and roleclaimed to him. "no way he could be mafia dude, he's playing totally different from last game!" L, who's mafia gets them killed Night 1. Oh yea, now I can get rid of Ace! And put the blame on the other guy too! Wait whats that? How would it make sense that both of them could be mafia and kill their protection, leaving both of them open to Vigis? Fuck it, no one would see the logic flaw. /dream | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
desperate? L, have I ever acted desperate in a Mafia game? I'm cool as a fan at all times. | ||
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Ace
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On May 20 2009 07:38 L wrote: Ver/Dreamflower the next day. I think you can agree if you're town that they're better targets than I am. sure. But now you're trying to get BOTH of us killed when it's really damn stupid. Chances are that ONE of us is mafia but not both. Hence, while no one will listen to your backwards plan. Of course, well unless they are Mafia. ho ho ho. | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
Anyone could go through google, match something with someone and go AHA! Look guys! | ||
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Ace
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We aren't sure if the same guy is going to google clues, if we even have the same exact mafia team, or even if the clues will be interpreted the same way. That's why I'm saying deal with what we KNOW and not what we can google because then any of us can come up with something to point to another person. | ||
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Ace
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On May 20 2009 08:24 L wrote: I think you're angry that we figured out you + hardware. quoted for /facepalmage later | ||
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Ace
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On May 20 2009 08:46 L wrote: So BC, you're saying that both people in office must be innocent because both bodyguards have died? Oh wow. I don't think he said that. Or at least I'd hope not. | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
On May 20 2009 08:58 Incognito wrote: To everyone who is saying: They're smarter than that: Look. Smart people can often make stupid mistakes. Stupid people, on the other hand, usually make less smart mistakes. But really, if you are going to play this game assuming that everyone is "smart enough to not do X", well guess what? They'll do it. Being smart means you take risks and you sometimes play unpredictably. Or else they'll catch you with your pants down when you point and say, "Hey they're too smart to do that". ^_^ which is exactly what I said about Role Claiming DT on Day 1. oh dear this town hurts my soul. | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
On May 20 2009 09:08 Scamp wrote: Well Ocz in hindsight you were right all along. None of this would have ever happened if we had just elected you. You guys are making this insanely difficult. So I'll just go over a few of my thoughts. 1: I don't believe any scenerio in which the BGs roleclaimed to anyone. Why would they do that? Neither of them needed any protection against lynches. Also roleclaiming absolutely wrecked us last game. 2: I also don't believe any scenerio where either Ace or Ver purposefully killed off both the bodyguards. Obviously this also goes along with point number 1: they wouldn't even know in the first place. But if for some reason they did know why would it be better to be a mafia with no protection rather than a mafia with protection? 3: Three blues is way beyond coincidence for me. So, if either Ver or Ace are mafia then they killed off both bodyguards by accident. At this point I don't believe we should lynch either of them. I don't really trust Ver at this point but I also don't like the way Ace is going after him so hard. But I still trust Ace more right now. I'll explain. Assume for a second that one of us is mafia. Ver and myself both know it's entirely worth it to get ourselves killed to get rid of the other as it's a massive blow to the town. Look at the confusion this has caused. It's also not even a 1 for 1 trade: 2 BGs, a medic, no Mayor or Pardoner for one of the other. Epic win scenario for the Mafia. Then you have to realize that it's even more possible one of us is the traitor. This is something people keep forgetting - it's entirely possible the Traitor already contacted The Mafia. You guys forget that lots of players like to PM each other a whole lot and do work behind the scenes (I don't need to as I'm a muthafucking G). Hence, it's even better if the traitor gets the other guy killed as now all The Mafia live and lose 0 KP. L, in his rabid haste and foaming at the mouth behavior just didn't fully explain this next point to the town. If one of us is surely bad for the town, we might as well get rid of both of us. We don't have BG protection anyway, down a medic and he isn't willing to lynch nemy. From the Town's perspective this makes sense as this issue needs to be resolved ASAP. The problem of course is - who do you kill first? L fears I'll pardon someone (like Ver) which would be retarded on my part but he keeps ignoring it. Of course I don't wanna die as I'm pretty confident in my abilities and of Ver's multiple fuckups along with nemy. I also DONT want to use a double lynch on this because it's essentially useless as we end up losing both powerful offices when only ONE of us can be dirty. See why I'm not agreeing with this tactic now? | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
On May 20 2009 09:23 L wrote: L fears you'd pardon dreamflower if we use a double lynch on Ace/Dreamflower day 3 after killing Ver today. And that would be 100% logical if you're mafia because confirming yourself would do nothing: You'd already be the target of the double lynch. I've explained this to you twice. But you keep ignoring this other fact: Who said I feel like pardoning dreamflower? Dream flower has not been confirmed as OBVIOUSLY Mafia so your point is moot. If I pardoner her in that instance then you have every right to get rid of me. But that hasn't happened now has it? Stop thinking of worst case scenarios and LOOK at what we know. | ||
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Ace
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On May 20 2009 09:25 L wrote: Also, its quite possible both of you are dirty. The only person who would know otherwise would be you, so you can't assume people know you're innocent without roleclaiming or some shit. I told you guys I was a green townie. | ||
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Ace
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On May 20 2009 09:25 L wrote: LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL hey man why you hating on my swagger? | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
On May 20 2009 09:27 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Scamp, ace has done plenty of fishy things, hense why he was getting accusations of being red day one, i mean hell, look at all the vote swapping to him during the last few hours of the election um...what? That says NOTHING about me but about the people voting for me. LOL wow you are WAY off on that one. | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
On May 20 2009 09:30 L wrote: Oh wow, playing stupid again. Let me lay this out for you. I want you to die now because I believe you and ver in death will offer up at minimum 1 mafia and dreamflower's pretty much in the bag, netting us a drop in KP. What order do I want you to die in? LET US EXAMINE: Ver / Aceflower v Ace / Verflower Scenario 1. If you are mafia, you ALWAYS FUCKING PARDON AS YOU DIE. you're saying "well, I wouldn't because that would confirm me but YOU'RE ALREADY ON THE CHOPPING BLOCK. YOU'RE TRADING USELESS INFORMATION FOR -1 LYNCH. If you aren't, you die without pardoning. Scenario 2. same people die, no threat of pardon. THIS IS SO FUCKING SIMPLE. THE PARDONER CAN GET WHOMEVER HE'S BEING DOUBLE LYNCHED WITH OFF THE HOOK. EVEN IF DREAMFLOWER IS NOT MAFIA, YOU WOULD PARDON. But you keep ignoring the fact we lose BOTH powerful offices in your rabid scenario. Find BETTER alternatives to come up with reasons to lynch insteado f "oh shit I googled Ace it links to some shitty woodshit I know nothing about GG fuckface!" Do better. | ||
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Ace
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On May 20 2009 09:51 L wrote: Both offices do nothing for town besides for +2 votes on Ver if he was town aligned which you don't believe. You're just pissy you die under the scenario. You and ver being confirmed as mafia/innocent holds the most possible amount of information for two and both of you are highly suspicious BY YOUR OWN ADMISSION. But okay, I need a better reason. why don't you look at the post I'm replying to. Your defence was "I wouldn't pardon" and now you realize you're full of shit. Sorry ace, think through your posts before making them. Vig, please hit him tonight if we dont' lynch him. Behavior, voting pattern, clue analysis and the form of contributions all point towards mafia. Of course I wouldn't want to die BECAUSE I"M THE FUCKING PARDONER you asshat. Look, you don't even know WHO to lynch because you don't even have a credible case. You want to lynch Dreamflower when Ver is even more suspect, but you'd rather lynch me too in the off case that I'd pardon Dreamflower. So yes, to be "safe" lets kill everyone in the triangle! Brilliant! I'm the only guy stopping you from making mistakes like the one you're about to make YET you'd still go and do it. I already said SURE it makes sense to kill us both but since we all know ONE of us has to be innocent we don't NEED to kill both roles. THATS why I said DO BETTER and yet you ignore this basic logic. If I die don't be surprised when the town calls for your head. | ||
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Ace
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2.) Indeed. I respond only to what I feel like. | ||
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Ace
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On May 20 2009 10:40 Incognito wrote: Then vigi Ace tonight if Ver flips not town. :/ What are you a fucking puppet? | ||
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