EPTOn May 19 2009 11:30 Ace wrote:
oh really? Who's playing poorly? Point them out!
oh really? Who's playing poorly? Point them out!
: D I've been doing so.
for 20+ pages now.
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Also Incognito correctly pointed out that I said 0, 1, or 2 not 1,2, or 3 mafia which is what L somehow got? Ver, you're smarter than that. I consider you a suspect. You, obviously, do not. Somehow got? Quit the stupid act. We both know you're smarter than that. | ||
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also: Lucas PMed me. From: LucasWoJ Subject: mafia Date: 5/17/09 00:01 If you're having a discussion with Ver, look for tells to see if he has a similar role this game to last game (he was GF). Him running for mayor doesn't sit right with me and should be approached with caution. One, if not more, of Ver, Ace, Plexa, MTF, or Incognito just about have to be mafia. Thoughts? | ||
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To: LucasWoJ Subject: Re: mafia Date: 5/17/09 05:13 1 or 2 people running for mayor are mafia, guaranteed. Whatever happens I don't think we should be funneling info to them. His statement that he's likely to be killed early is somewhat true, but the vast majority of players in this game are on the same level of dangerousness that he is. Either way, mayoral elections always make my skin crawl. ----------------------------------------- Original Message: If you're having a discussion with Ver, look for tells to see if he has a similar role this game to last game (he was GF). Him running for mayor doesn't sit right with me and should be approached with caution. One, if not more, of Ver, Ace, Plexa, MTF, or Incognito just about have to be mafia. Thoughts? | ||
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He is mayor after all. Remember when Qatol was mayor? He got mad PMs even though he wasn't confirmed also. And this is why i wanted us to use probable blue players over 'good players'. But despite bolding that shit and writing it everywhere for the past TWENTY FUCKING PAGES and people ignoring this, now half of the previous detractors of my position have turned 180 degrees. Setting up red herrings because office isn't in question? Lol. Number 1 need town has right now? CLUE ANALYSIS. Get some potential targets, we'll mesh that with the behavior analysis. Remember: attach clues to people, don't attach people to clues. | ||
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this kind of ad hominem is not helping.. Did you read what he wrote? That's not how the game's rules work. All night actions happen at the exact same time. All of them work. You can't kill a vig in order to prevent his hit, nor can a vig drop the kp of mafia to reduce the amount of kills that happen. Medics can't be killed to remove their protection during that night. | ||
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And don't fucking pull the activity card on me of all people. That said: VOTE FOR A DOUBLE LYNCH there is no reason to wait and let potential mafia kills get away from us. More lynches means more reduction of KP means more success. Once people agree to that, I have a few more things to say. | ||
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HAHA ITS A JOKE :D. | ||
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If i can make a suggestion: When googling names, be sure to use google.com instead of google.yourcountry. | ||
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Nemy is close to 99% innocent if the other DT sent that picture, or a similar one. | ||
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There's a better way to go about this. | ||
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Double Lynch for what. No need to rush anything. Dropping KP as fast as possible is in the town's favor. Double lynching means we have data from day 1/2/3. You don't vote for a double lynch the same way we declared double lynches in Mafia 2: you do it before they're needed so they're available when the lynches need to go through. | ||
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So lets examine our situation, shall we? Town has no fucking leadership. I am going to be the town's leadership then. Here is my plan: Tonight we lynch Ace, the vigilante hits Ver or vice versa. Why? Examine the content of their posts until now: For all their crowing about their own worth as players, neither has clue analysed or done anything except the following: Turn on each other post-elections. Both recognize office likely has a mafia installed. Both only really tried to drive the point home after they were actually 'safe' in office. What does that tell me? If I was either of them and we had secured our spot, I'd look at what the town is saying. Town is saying that its obvious that there's a mafia all up ins office, so if we're both mafia, might as well limit the damage by coming out hard against the other person there. Develop red herrings after the primary objective is complete. Is this consistent with the voting records and the style of play both players have been using? YES. Ace has been using an emotional style of writing and making huge logical missteps. He's been asking questions to answers he already knows and pretty much acting obtuse when the conclusions supported start to point against him. No real logical defence. No real arguments. Well, until now at least, Ace will have to reply to this. Ver? Well, I'll let the thread speak for itself. Reneg on campaign promises, don't consult the town for a lynch target despite people asking to vote on it, admission he's talking in PMs with ace about shit like this already and has some wacky underground network going on. Lets examine the clues: 2 possibilities. One is that we only have 3 mafia represented. The other is that we have all 6 mentioned, but some have only 1 line attached to them. This would be consistent with a few games. If that's the case, there are multiple pointers towards Ace, Dreamflower and Ver. Go and Wikipedia ACE. It is a hardware company based in the united states. This is why I suggested that google.com be used instead of google.country. google.ca gives me the canadian association of electricians or some shit. There's quite a bit more solid evidence here, but tbh I'd rather get this post out as activity picks up rather than after the bangwagon has been formed. Now, lets move forward and examine voting records. Ace - 6 ------- 0cz3c <-- from Ver Ver <-- from Caller Malongo <-- from Fishball mikeymoo <-- from Mynock MrBabyHands HeavOnEarth <-- from Abstain Scamp <-- from nemY Bockit <-- from Mynock Mynock < -- from Ver Ver <-- from Showtime! Tricode <-- from Mynock EVERYONE but 1 changed? Both MYNOCK AND VER, two people I've been pointing at changed to swing nemY out? Wow, no suspicion here, right? Malongo was pretty succinct about this last game: If you're a townie, you really don't need to switch your vote ever. This is why I suggested people wait: get all the facts coming out before making a choice rather than swinging vote totals around. This rule CAN be abrogated at times, but like.. 5/6? Seriously guys? Tricode is the finishing slot here: why the fuck is he switching members then claiming that nemY is most likely a dt, but that he played bad. Time for some Ace-like in between paragraph expletives: WHAT THE FUCK. Ver - 8 This is Ver's list. Ver is mafia. Mynock popping up on the top there. Dreamflower, heavily under suspicion now, also up there as a bandwagon starter. Lucas voted for Ver when it was obvious he would win, and suggests he trusted him -> role reveal after election. ------- BloodyC0bbler Caller Scaramanga Mynock 0cz3c dreamflower RebirthOfLeGenD Vivi57 iNfuNdiBuLuM Incognito <-- from Showtime Malongo <-- from Ace LucasWoJ <-- from Mynock More importantly, in contrast with Ace's crowd, this voting block is relatively unchanged. People who voted Ver stayed Ver. What does this mean if Ver is mafia? What does this mean if Ver is innocent? Which brings me to my next point: Information. Say we fuck up a lynch. Between Ace and Ver I see nearly zero difference in terms of the quality of information gained upon kill, but either one would give us a mountain's worth in total. Why? Well, its fairly obvious, both are positioned very interestingly in terms of votes and in terms of their actions taken in the thread. If we find out what colour the flip, it tells us a lot about the other people in this drama. My final point has to do with timing: Why hit Ace over Ver tonight? The simplest answer? Because I don't trust the vig to hit the one we aren't lynching. Ace is the pardoner. If he is mafia and we elect to hit him and dreamflower and both turn up red, he is going to pardon dreamflower. If dreamflower is green? he's going to pardon dreamflower OR ANYONE ELSE who's been voted for lynching when he dies. Why? We're going to spend the next turn killing them regardless. -1 lynch. -time. +kp. That's not what we want. Simply put: We cannot lynch the pardoner during a double, ever or safely double lynch until he's dead, and we need to start double lynching asap because time is against us and we NEED to cut their KP. Time is ALWAYS against town. | ||
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Ver - 8 ------- BloodyC0bbler Caller | ||
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