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Accusing people left and right I haven't accused anyone. I simply pointed out that its HIGHLY LIKELY that there is a mafia candidate in the group of candidates Ace is in. Even his own analysis points towards this.
Can I explain it? Sure, mafia typically enters the mayoral race very early and supplants themselves with a few mafia seed supporters to get the ball rolling, then they shut up very quickly. Dont' believe me? Look up your history. That means out of your group, due to the simple fact that you guys are running for mayor (regardless of the collusion between you) that it is likely one of you is mafia.
Ace can suggest all the checks in the world, but he is driving AWFULLY hard for you or him to be exempt from said checks. More to the point, we have an unusually large number of checks, and if nemY IS a dt he will:
1- Brush it off
2- Checking mayoral candidates will fall to a single DT, who will be largely useless if the mafia candidates actually got office.
Essentially if ace is mafia, his plan nullifies both DTs.
Thanks for letting me point that out. Peace.
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Your arguments about Pardoner are null and void because we can't determine anyone's roles yet. What? Are you fucking retarded?
HOW DOES DETERMINING ROLES HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH GAME FORMAT?
Oh, it doesn't.
If I was worried about losing the election that bad of all people why would I go after nemy? I dunno, why don't you look at your own statement in the voting thread: ME OR MYNOCK, NEVER NEMY.
Looks like you're pretty worried, and it looks like you're worried about nemy.
I'm supporting Mynock and Ver because I feel they are the other 2 best candidates. Every game we have people like you who question why I'm doing something, and you all come off looking like idiots. The fact that you have a 'feeling' doesn't make the circular collusion of three mayoral candidates any less suspicious. The fact that your second sentence is essentially "i'm good, so never question me" doesn't either.
That's nice that 1 of the 3 of us might be mafia. It's also nice that 6 out of the 30 people playing might be also. What's your point? I made my point. Feel free to read, champ. Oh, you don't like doing that because dealing with actual arguments would show that you're COMPLETELY FUCKING FULL OF SHIT? I can't say I didn't see that coming. Your poor play essentially cost the town the game last time around yet you think you're immune from scrutiny.
There is no danger to me. Which means you wouldn't need a position in office so bad, wouldn't be cutting your dota match short and would be quite a bit less hysterical, no?
There is no mafia coveted Pardoner spot - any of the 2 will do. Stop making up these grand ideas in your head. Proven false empirically.
Your "ifs" are wrong because none of us play this game like you. It shows. How exactly are you in a position to make an "us" statement about another two players? Given that you admitted one of them or more could be mafia why do you think you have a greater insight into their actions?
I don't know exactly what time I started reading the thread or exactly what time I went to bed. But if you want to dissect it till your blue in the face go ahead - I'm innocent and don't have to worry about anything. See unlike nemy, I haven't lied about anything. And unlike you I'm actually analyzing whats going on now and not some made up scenario that we have no control over. So you refuse to give full disclosure? I have evidence putting you at a few places at a few moments, between TL log ins, dota replays and messages in the dota clan chat. I'm not pointing the finger at you, but if you're innocent you don't dodge shit like this. If you're mafia, you know you're in danger of tripping up.
But yes, I like how you believe you're analysing what's going on, yet no one else could possibly be unless they agree with your view. That's typically your style, though. Its also the type of unbacked up bullshit that killed the town last game. Value playstyle right there.
Got anything else you want to uselessly add to the thread? Any more lightweight accusations you want to make against The Three Musketeers? No way, man, I love that light and fluffy chocolate bar.
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And why would he brush it off? Explain.
And if I were mafia and I suggested this plan then SURELY I wold have done it after I made it into office right? Uh, no. You were likely to get checked because of your posting behavior either way, Ver is likely already in office and if one of you is godfather (+ push the other in) you'd make for a FANTASTIC game ender right here.
Why would you brush it off? "oh, nemY WAS a dt, our bad". Do you think you'd offer yourself up to get killed? If you're townie you don't want to waste a useless lynch to revenge. If you're mafia you dont' want to die. No one's intention is to die. You will cite his poor play and say you were justified in acting the way you are, and I'm not saying that's wrong, but I'm saying you don't offer up any shred of culpability by doing so.
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Obviously determining roles is the aim of the game - but we are still at Mayoral elections. None of us can determine anything right now. Oh shit how did you miss this? You even quoted it but read it wrong. You were talking about Pardoner intentions and usage, a topic which can be examined purely through the rules of the game. If you were referencing my suggestion that we need blues in office ver proved rather dramatically last game that you can sniff out blues very accurately on day 1.
2.) Worried about the election != worried about nemy. I'd love to be in, but hey if Mynock and Ver made it can't say I'd be sad. I'm not that worried about the election. But yea your right - I am worried about nemy which is exactly why I've been making my case against him. So you admit you are worried, which is a complete contradiction of your previous stance. I'm not contradicting myself. You are. Think about it.
3.) circular collusion? lol ok Don King. Ver has been pretty much silent, and only myself and Mynock have really supported each other. Stop trying to take wild guesses. Uh, you yourself have called the group 'the three musketeers' and Ver actually was posting for a bit while you were sleeping. Moreover, the vote record DOES NOT LIE. each of you voted for one other.
I am immune from scrutiny. Because I'm innocent 1. No you aren't. 2. By your own admission we don't know that. Why do you assume people should assume you're innocent? If that's the case everyone should have just PMed you their roles at the start of the game and that would have been a good play.
Frankly, for someone harping on nemy about poor play, you're doing a lot of it yourself.
How would you know the Mafia covet the Pardoner spot unless they themselves stated it? Okay, lets assume pardoner instantly wins the game. I think mafia would go for it. See what I did there? The rules of the game describe the advantages and pitfalls of certain actions. Do you think mafia would NOT want the pardoner spot? Do you think they'd want mayor more?
It's an US statement because playing the game with Ver and Mynock so many times I KNOW none of us play the game like you. It's just that simple - nothing beyond that. Yet by your own admission you've stated that good players will not have a style. Ver's 'afk townie' method this game, for instance, is something he said he wouldn't be doing, and has only performed while previously mafia, yet you believe that you can call their style even if they're not the same allegiance as you?
Bad choice of words, and a telling one.
What full disclosure is there to give? Read my fucking posts. Do you refuse to give the information? Y/N.
As you put it. Go ahead champ. I wouldn't fucking TELL YOU what information I have if i'm trying to cross reference the information I've got with your statements to check for inconsistencies.
I mean, you should know that, you aren't an idiot.
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L when you quote someone could you please leave in who you're quoting with the message? Sometimes you quote from the middle of a paragraph and it's annoying to go back and figure out where it came from. I don't wanna have to do that again if I decide to re-check all your posts.
I honestly don't know how to do that. I've never done it in all my posting on TL as far as I know. If you can tell me how i can pull a quote out with the name and time attached I'd be grateful.
L, to make it a bit more clear, the problem both Ace (I think) and I have here, is that you're dealing with some virtual Mafia game's Day 7 No i'm not. I'm dealing with right now based on what will be dangerous later. I don't even understand how you can morph anything I've been saying for the past 10 pages into that besides for a single post where i wrote out a fairly balanced game with a shitty pardon that resulted in a quick endgame and most likely a mafia victory despite fairly good accuracy by town. Completely for demonstration purposes and not how i think the game must unroll.
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I mean, while we're busy throwing out 1 liner posts to distance ourselves from a stunning embarrassment, why don't I join in.
Wouldn't be the first time it happens this game.
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Ace, please don't skip out on discussion to play dota :/.
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Okay, you missed the IH, no excuse now.
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You uh, press the "quote" link on the right hand side at the top of the post. But then I can't see other posts T_T
firefox will eat more of my precious memories.
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On May 18 2009 04:41 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:Show nested quote +On May 18 2009 04:21 L wrote:L when you quote someone could you please leave in who you're quoting with the message? Sometimes you quote from the middle of a paragraph and it's annoying to go back and figure out where it came from. I don't wanna have to do that again if I decide to re-check all your posts.
I honestly don't know how to do that. I've never done it in all my posting on TL as far as I know. If you can tell me how i can pull a quote out with the name and time attached I'd be grateful. You uh, press the "quote" link on the right hand side at the top of the post.
Wait, I think i got this shit.
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On May 18 2009 04:40 Ace wrote:
what is there to discuss?
I'm so lost :/
the entire post you no'd.
also feel free to disclose.
C u after game. Grief testie plz
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I am reading through the developments. currently on page 23. Ver post, some garbage, predictible play from a few players, a number of mafia pointing fingers at each other to put up red herrings.
Predictable fuckers.
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Well, we're fucked. Well done town on letting a bunch of obviously over aggressive players completely hoodwink you with the platform that they are better than you.
Fantastic bullshit. I got to a party and people fucking lay down and let the three most suspicious players of the game dominate the discussion.
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Also, remember that collusion talk we had?
Mynock < -- from Ver
Ver <-- from Showtime!
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No, i wasn't attempting to 'dominate' anything. My position was never that I was a superior player, ergo people should shut up and listen to me. I dealt with issues with reasoning.
Mynock? I'm pretty sure I was pointing a "that bitch is suspicious" finger at him.
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MY CONCERN IS THAT HIS TWO BEST BUDDIES DID, AND WE NOW HAVE A DT REVEALED.
And I've said multiple times that I think that the way people voted for showtime was a bit off, not to the point of being mafia, but there was something very odd with a 4 vote surge all within 2 hours of each other then everyone gave up and showtime posted minimally.
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I don't really care if townies are predictable.
When people who I think are mafia act exactly like I'd act if I were mafia, predictability becomes worth a bit more as a BS detector.
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not about how good you are to snipe someone
Uh, did you actually read the platforms? The main recurring argument put forward prior and post-nemy by ace/ver/mynock was "i am good at this game, ergo vote for me".
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According to ace himself he has no consistent playing style. If he does, then you must recognize that a significant portion of his statements about his own actions are flat out lies.
Contradiction.
You staying silent until post vote is not maximizing the town's strengths either.
nemy's actions have kicked off a flurry of discussion that was great for collecting data. he's not the only player who revealed his role. This is very true.
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I don't really mind one way or the other, but MBH and Ace are claiming 2 things which are impossible to reconcile.
The 'compromise' position which is more likely is that Ace does have tells (and between games I'd agree more with MBH here, that there are significant trends in his actions, his claims, and his methods). If that's the clue, either you trusted ace enough to let himself claim as such, or you noticed the logical rupture in his self promoting arguments and paid them heed.
Either way, both positions are mutually exclusive.
And as for figuring me out, I'm glad you know I'm innocent  .
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