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On April 20 2009 09:14 Ace wrote: I actually like that contract killer role, VERY interesting. Different from most other roles we've created but still seems within the framework of the original game. I am as well interested to see how this role work. I also can see it causing a bit of a fuss ;p Cause it seems like this Contractor can work in many ways and easily betray people who he talks privately with pending on the side he/she takes or if they just decide to just kill who ever with out care. Either case, is the contractor my friends enemy, my friends friend, or just someone that needs to be killed right away before confusion can add due to their additional killing. | ||
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On April 20 2009 09:24 Pyrrhuloxia wrote: If I'm contract killer I will put my services on ebay. Paypal please. Anyway, I have term papers galore coming up so I'm going to try to hold myself to one thread visit a day this time so don't be surprised if I'm less active until finals end (May 7). Of course don't be surprised if I get addicted to this game like the last two  .I think many of us are in that situation. | ||
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1. Really confuse us by hitting townies and mafia so it will be hard to know who they are. 2. Join mafia and just kill people and team with them (could do this by telling mafia or not telling mafia) 3. Join us and well help (though should be security obviously, or else mafia kills the person. To add they might just not tell anyone who they are to keep themselves safe, thus they could accidentally be killed by mafia or townie lynching). So any thought out plan for this type of person? I think the others running for mayor should consider this factor as well. | ||
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If this person wants to be on our side, it could hurt us, adding if we also lynch wrong too. So it could be a double edge sword at that point. So best bet is, get the contractor to join townies and make sure the contractor is in contact with townies and not mafia. There is another option we could do with the contractor, but either case we shouldn't just forget about this person. | ||
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On April 22 2009 15:01 Qatol wrote: In rereading (and observing the no edit rule) I have noticed that I have misread your #1 The real answer is that they just can't use their power without making a contract. Yes they can be a chaotic liability. We can't do anything about that. I realize that I'm being pretty harsh towards the CK. I just don't see any way to ensure he won't go crazy on the town. If he wants to help the town, he needs to find a DT/medic or someone with a good enough position (no lynch guarantee) to give him a contract. Approaching a towny early helps him however. I was thinking some where in the lines as what you said about the contractor, but I wasn't sure if you had an idea or plan to kinda make the contractor want to favor us or find a way to have the contractor join us so they feel safe. Edit: Thank you though for showing your thoughts about that for me. | ||
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I just thought of something. Contract killer (if working for mafia) can choose to investigate someone and constantly keep trying to find blues for the mafia. (I am not sure how easy this will be though) It might be important to make sure mafia doesn't get this power. Remember Contract killer doesn't have to kill, they can investigate. So we need to make a proper incentive to keep this contract killer on the townie side. | ||
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So I guess we should try to make an offer, leave it on the table and wait to see what happens. I would suggest the contract killer to consider this. If you pick mafia, and help kill townies, clues could be left behind and you could get lynched. But now if you work with Townies, clues still get left behind but now mafia has to figure you out. Also if you contact a townie/blue or who ever, you might be able to later find a medic who will cover your butt for a while and keep you alive for most of the game. It might be best for the contract killer to side up with town and maybe ask for med in return. I really cant leave that offer, but if the town agrees, then we can juts leave it there for the contract killer to decide, that way we can focus on other issues and not worry to much about the contract killer for now. (Though if anyone has a better idea for offers then shoot it out) | ||
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On April 22 2009 16:07 Pyrrhuloxia wrote: Hey guys I found a pic of the CK! ![[image loading]](http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/51715/gbu_lee.jpg) Bah, his mustache isn't that sexy. | ||
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On April 22 2009 16:15 Malongo wrote: Id like to ask to the moderators playing this round for an IP check on this account and who shares it. Im asking this because its a power that not all players have and its important for the game. Thank you. Are you saying for us to find CK more easily and try to have them join townies lol? What if the mod is mafia and decides to make their own use of the CK or just kill that person off looking at them as an obstacle ;p | ||
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On April 22 2009 16:33 semioldguy wrote: We actually have 57 CK's :p ^--- Anyone want to contract me to CK this guy over here? Lol j/k | ||
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On April 23 2009 01:33 L wrote: Well, its obviously in the best interest of the town to keep methods of killing mafia. If there's a lack of information on mafia suspects he will be less useful, if there's far more he will be more useful. Either way, determining how we should 'manage' the contract killer is 100% dependant on information we don't currently have. And now, to read ten pages. Brb. Alright, I just checked the rest of the thread. New issues: Without knowing the CK's win condition, we can't precisely determine WHY or HOW he will act. We can, however, look at a few conditions: 1) The CK's game ends when the standard townie/mafia game ends. 2) If the CK dies by drawing too much animosity, he will die because the town/mafia will know who he is. 3) The CK's mode of action provides him with superior information regarding the two sides. It seems, in my mind, rather PREDICTABO that the CK would act fairly neutrally until he has enough information to precipitate a quick loss for one side by cutting out their most important roles/dropping their KP. That is dependent on who gets the role. Yeah, that might be probably a logical choice of action for the CK, but what if the CK doesn't feel like waiting and wants to use their power? I know the first thing I would do is kill BloodyCobbler if i had CK and if he was in the game (regardless if he is townie or not)...j/k...or am I? The action taken for CK could seriously depend on the person. If they wish to wait it out, or if they get a little power hungry and want to use their powers to kill someone, or if they just decide to attempt to join one side (for what ever their own reason is). If the CK wants to join mafia, he can just find any excuse to make a contract with them ;p Either case I still stand by the best bet for the Ck is to join town and try to get med protection, so they can help find mafia and kill them. It's kinda like a lone wolf role, you can be on the side you want, but still work independently. Though you still can work with the team, would make the team as a whole stronger. | ||
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On April 23 2009 05:58 Ace wrote: @Sog: I 100% agree with your analysis on why the CK would usually want to side with the town - backstabbing mafia hoes. However, what if the CK is not someone lurking in the shadows but a valuable, outspoken voice? The Mafia would LOVE to have that guy. He can be working for Mafia, but if DT checked flips blue and can just say he has sided with the town. That depends though. If DT checks him and there are clues and good enough evidence supporting that he killed townies on their own, then they just became a threat for the town and the town would just kill the CK. Best bet still is for the CK to join town, cause it is hard to lie about that with out upsetting the town. Also the CK could then act and try to help town but Mafia would just view CK as a threat after that point and kill the CK. It will let them have a better chance of surviving through the whole game and most likely have a med protect them so they could constantly use their powers with little consequences (since they would be collaborating with the town and wouldn't be their fault if they did a miss. Though if they try to use that to help the mafia, eventually when town asks them to hit someone that is mafia and they don't well we can consider it betrayal and lynch them.) | ||
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Apart from giving him information on blue members of town; Don't assume the CK is going to ask for the services of a single blue member of town for the entire game. Either way, the CK is going to want to side with the side that seems strongest at any period in time. If we're getting smashed, he'll side with mafia in order to assure he doesn't get picked off during night deaths. If mafia's getting smashed he has no incentive to do anything other than contract for medics and play the waiting game. That's all, however, assuming his objectives are based on survival. IF that's the case, his utility is 100% based on our momentum, so lets focus on quality clue analysis. Its quite possible his objectives are something like "kill 1 mafia member and kill 1 detective" or something off the wall like that, so 100% basing our strategy on an unknown is risky. If CK demands more services from other blues, then something would seem a bit odd. If CK wants a med, then CK will probably get a med but we should keep that med identity secret and that med will be the only one to need to do the job (unless he wants more protection if he feels like mafia found him out) Which is good cause if he joins mafia and is found out CK would just be killed and Mafia can't protect him. A bad thing for the CK to do is try to pick of Mafia and try to pick off blues turn by turn. That would just anger both sides and both sides would probably attempt to kill CK off. Either case, if CK demands more services, it might be not much to worry about, he doesn't need to know who they are as long as he gets the protection he wants. Now if he wants to have a detective do a clue check for his services that might mean giving up one detective to him but it should never go any further then 1 DT, that's if we even want to take a risk in letting him know that information cause he could just slip that info to mafia (who could just randomly decide to take our blues and we would have a hard time knowing if CK back stabbed the town or not. | ||
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On April 23 2009 07:29 L wrote: Why would it seem odd? You have no idea what the CK's goals are. If the CK's goals are role based, getting more role information might be his prime desire. If its survival he can stay on medic. This is EXACTLY what i was talking about; you can't assume to predict the CK's game perfectly because we don't even know what they're after. I also said, if he does the roles he would demand would have to be kept secret. He shouldn't know who is protecting him as long as he is getting protection. It depends on how much he wants to know and what type of information. If he asks something to the extent of wanting to know who has the role, then that might be pushing it. We should never really have to reveal our role identity to the CK, well at most maybe 1 detective and that would probably be it. | ||
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On April 23 2009 07:41 Ace wrote: actually I dont think we have to reveal anything to the CK until we are sure he is who he says he is AND he has as much to lose as we do (his death) once that is proven. Saying don't worry, we are sure we can prot you but you dont need to know who is doing it is good for the first night, but after that it's probably a good idea to welcome him into whatever circle has this info. Yeah, I can agree with that. Though we still should not reveal everyone, just only when it is necessary and for good reasons. But I definitly agree we should hold off for maybe the first night or two. Maybe I just being a bit paranoid and too cautious. | ||
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On April 23 2009 08:01 Ace wrote: yea but Im not the CK so that doesnt help too much in my case x_x ^----I demand proof | ||
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On April 23 2009 11:56 Malongo wrote: Holy shit batman. I just gave you the "80% mafia chance" prize that malongo created last game. Yeah, I can see where you are coming from. He seemed to over react a bit to much, could of just posted and explained himself calmly lol. Even others who are inactive come back saying something to do with school, but not in such a way as he did. | ||
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To be honest I should be more into my books right now >< I got a couple more tests and a 5-8pg essay to write. Then i have to shoot a 5min documentary >< | ||
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I also think it is important in trying to feel out for mafia as much as we can, cause it might be possible that some of the vets here are Mafia. Organizing right now would be more key since CK can't act until the second night and we only got first day clues. We should do best with what we have right now. Also the only thing we can really do now is possibly those two things if I am correct. | ||
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On April 24 2009 01:15 3clipse wrote: I kind of doubt Showtime is mafia. Even if he were the godfather, I don't think he'd want to attract so much attention to himself. That said, when you have limited rolechecks and the possibility of faking a role as GF, we have to be careful about how much information we concentrate on any one person. We risk completely exposing our blue list and strategies if that one person is a mole. Info SHOULD be dished out on a need to know basis and we need to fragment power/knowledge so that if one of our heads is knocked off or a traitor we can still function. Also, I think getting stuck on 2 or 3 suspects on day one clues is counterproductive. As cutthroat as it sounds, we should basically be doing a scattershot of accusations. Suspect me, suspect Qatol, suspect everyone. This way we can isolate the behaviors of those who react differently from the rest and have a chance at catching some of the dumber mafia before clues can really help. Edit: This. ????? What do you mean when you just say 'This'? | ||
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On April 24 2009 01:29 dreamflower wrote: I think he's saying he agrees with you. Oh thank you =D and if that is so, thanks 3clipse | ||
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If i have time i'll try to see if i can stay a bit active but other wise >< sorry | ||
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On April 24 2009 10:35 BloodyC0bbler wrote: bumpity bump Hush you, or I'll kill you. | ||
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On April 24 2009 13:49 Pyrrhuloxia wrote: yeah I know, although my finals week is in two weeks. i assume some people will have finals next week. that's why I said "mod kill threats" instead of "mod kills" lol. I dunno we're both bored I wanted something to talk about you know... I'm just worried how easy it is for mafia to hide. We got so many people last time through their conspicuous inactivity and town was much more active so active people were safer. At this point if I and a few more active people die tonight the post rate will probably go to less than half what it is now and no one will be able to be active without getting mowed down because we don't have the strength in numbers that we need. Right now mafia can be silent without drawing any attention because 21 people are super inactive and there's no way there are even 11 mafia. There is a slight chance I might be wrong, but last game only 3 people were actually active for the mafia. The others didn't keep in touch with us and when all those 3 were lynched, that's when the game kinda ended. Two were kinda there with those three but those two kinda kept disappearing. Even though inactivity might help mafia, i just don't know by how much at this point since it is still the first night. Maybe in the future when we have more clues and we are inactive, then that will more likely hurt us. | ||
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On April 25 2009 16:59 Malongo wrote: from day 1 + Show Spoiler + Across town, Scaramanga handed some parcels to a courier, and closing his door, walked to his living room, and began throwing stacks of paper into his fireplace, burning as much as he could. Once he had the last pile safely in the fire, he gazed up to look at his tv, only too see an uncomprehensable phrase before the tv exploded, killing Scaramanga in the blast. from day 2 + Show Spoiler + Across town, Nemy and Bockit were sitting at a bar for drinks. Nemy was gazing down at a brown envelope before looking up and ordering another round for him and bockit. When the drinks arrived, the two smiled then cheered and tossed their drinks back. Bockit got up and walked over to a jute box and slid a quarter in, and an upbeat song started to play before he switched it to something else. Before he could turn around bockit head was slammed into the jute box over and over till he died. Nemy turned to the commotion and got up to save his friend, only to take a few steps and collapse, with a burning sensation in his lungs, he lay on the ground watching his friend die as the world slowly went black, all he could hear was footsteps walk past him, stop and snicker before continuing on, then he was dead. from Tricodes profile: Working to be in the entertainment business someday, but not an actor. I think its by far the best call given the amount of info we have and the way BC writes his clues. Im voting to lynch Tricode unless someone comes with something more convincing. You are my best friend Malongo =D. As far as day 1 goes. he saw something uncomprehensible on tv. I don't know what I have that is uncomprehendsible dealing with me and what is scene on television, to add i don't want to be on the television (Thus not being an actor). The real key thing is something uncomprehensable was shown on tv. I don't know how that relates to me wanting to be in the entertainment buisness. As far as the jute box, there are other people who have things about music, or media related info in their profiles. Like words such as musical, and musical artists names. Is CK considered red by the way? Cause bockit to me could only be miller if not CK since mafia can't kill each other. | ||
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I mean by how something uncomprehnsible being shown on television and me wanting to join the entertainment business. Where does the uncomprehnsible part come into that play in that clue with me? | ||
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For Bockit, he could be miller or CK. Mafia could of just hit him right? | ||
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On April 26 2009 02:19 Caller wrote: There have to be two mafia. Consider: Bockit has to be mafia, he is red, we've already established this. Millers are Black and CK would have "CK" written next ot his name. Therefore, Bockit is mafia. Now, if Bockit is mafia, and nobody else can kill him that is town, then that must mean mafia killed him. But if there is one mafia, they can't hit each other. Therefore, there must be at least two mafia organizations, of whom Bockit was a member of one. Their KP is likely fairly low-i'd assume 2-4 per mafia-but they are at odds with each other. Ah thank you. I thought miller and Ck would just be red also. Does that mean the two mafias will be trying to find each other now to try to team up? | ||
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The clue analysis given for me is not that great, but even if I think so, it probably doesn't matter. Right now I think a finger is being pointed at me to early with an insufficient analysis. Also since there are other people who have things media related in their profile, I am curious why you pick me? Is it just because me 'wanting to be in the entertainment industry' (but not an actor) so broad that it is just easier for you to just pick me? We should focus more on finding some more solid evidence (even if it is against me). We need to stay active and try to get people talking, the more someone talks, the probable more chance they might screw up and give us a clue about them being mafia. Also let's look at the clues more deeply. We need to get a better feel for mafia. I noticed something, though i don't know them very well and what their behaviors are normally like, but Qatol's med list. None of those vets seem to be to active right now. Also I know it is exam season, but i forget if they said when and how long their exams are. We should be careful cause some mafia members might actually try to hide behind Exam Time. So we should kinda try to know how active they are and try to remember when they said their exams should end. | ||
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That doesn't mean we can still trust those who get hit. Even if it is a fake call, what if a med did protect a mafia member and they call hit. Is there anything we could do about that? Either case, if someone calls hit we definitely can't fully trust them, keep on your guard still even if they call hit in the future. It is hard to tell if they are lying or not cause we can't have our blues teaming up with them, just in case they are mafia (because there are two groups of them from we can figure out) | ||
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On April 26 2009 10:04 Qatol wrote: There is confusion about who said what. I have labeled the speaker You make me feel special knowing I was mentioned in yours and Bockit's pm =D Also the fact you remember how i was last game | ||
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On April 27 2009 04:39 3clipse wrote: Certianly. "Bloodyc0bbler was left to die slowly" Carbon monoxide poisoning is a slow death. "Scaramanga handed some parcels to a courier, and closing his door, walked to his living room, and began throwing stacks of paper into his fireplace" This produces carbon monoxide. "Pyrrhuloxia fired, just as his opponent tripped forward just under the bullets path before stumbling into, and stabbing pyrrhuloxia" This death was basically accidental, as carbon monoxide poisoning is in most cases. "Nemy turned to the commotion and got up to save his friend, only to take a few steps and collapse, with a burning sensation in his lungs" While carbon monoxide poisoning is painless, you can't deny that this is the strongest clue so far that can be traced to a single person. I really doubt you'll be able to change my mind, but I'll give you a chance to defend yourself before voting. Look, Monoxide might still be a suspect but I won't accept this burning sensation of the lungs. I think Nemy got a bad drink slipped in. The drink and Monoxide one doesn't make sense to me. Plus Bockit and Nemy didn't feel tired and slowly pass out. It wasn't like they felt dizzy, began stumbling, and/or most importantly feeling tired. I feel the Versitale clue fits in more for the stumbling and killing pyrr, just cause of her profile saying "even my errors are correct" the error let the person dodge a bullet, survive, and still kill their target. (I'm not saying it's the strongest clue, but i find it more probable then Monoxide clue.) | ||
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On April 27 2009 12:40 JeeJee wrote: anyway i was reading through the entire thread and i found this random bug, here's a ![[image loading]](http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/7079/wtfuxj.jpg) just thought it was something random. it's not an image, i can't select it or anything ... it's just.. there. odd. I don't understand your point here, can you explain? | ||
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On April 28 2009 00:00 Caller wrote: Why the hell are we double lynching Why the hell are we lynching JeeJee There are clearly much stronger lynch targets than JeeJee to begin with, and we have little to no evidence that we have surefire mafia targets. The only thing a double lynch is good for is hitting when we have a stronger lead on mafia. When we have little to no lead on mafia like we do now, then we're kind of in a shithole, aren't we. Qatol, what the hell are you doing,, accusing JeeJee like that. While I do admit his defense is pretty crappy, your grounds for lynching him and not Monoxide are flawed. If you remember from last game, most of the mafia we hit were based off a multi-clue pointing, because of the chance that one of the clues was the one in question. Granted we have a different mod this game, but I think there is still a good chance here. Not to mention that you've been playing very uncharacteristically from previous rounds, and the Uff Da ---> clumsiness clue, seems to me that town should be very cautious about blindly following orders here. Well, if you look at the convo between Bockit and Qatol. Everytime JeeJee is mentioned, Bockit tries to avoid talking about Jeejee will take about Rage instead or just kinda ignore it and point out something else. Bockit also turned up red. The same could be with Monoxide (If i remember correctly), i don't really agree with the clues against him, they're to ambiguous but once again from another source is claiming that his behavior is odd and some stories don't match up. So the question is, what should we do? Well we can keep looking at the clues and try to use what ever time we have left to get something more solid, but in the end it looks like the information we have now is not enough. So what do you recommend we do? Some of us are constantly looking at the clues and matching them up with people, but either the reasons they give are really ambiguous or they come up with nothing for now and have to wait for next set of clues. Either Case I think we still have some time to change our votes, but we need more evidence and persuasion in understanding why one person would be more probable to lynch then the other. | ||
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On April 28 2009 01:22 mikeymoo wrote: Shit, so so so so so sorry dude. You've just been complaining about that ONE lol So what does that mean? That means he still has his finals going and what you said a bit back was wrong? | ||
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On April 28 2009 01:38 JeeJee wrote: looking at it from the general townie's perspective, there's really no solid reason to lynch me or anyone else at this point, but someone has to go to role-reveal and give town some info. if that's going to be me, that's absolutely fine provided you promise to re-read qatol's posts with the knowledge that i was green (once i get lynched i mean). that's all i ask ^^ If you find anything you really don't like about what Qatol posts, can you please post and explain it to us please? We would like to notice what you noticed if you truely think it is valuable. Either case it might not hurt just to take a look at his posts, but if you can give us an idea of what you want us to look for and why. That would be appreciated. | ||
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[QUOTE]On April 26 2009 09:56 Qatol wrote: Bockit: + Show Spoiler + -------------------------------------------Bockit Haha yeah, day 1 clues are the worst things haha. I still laugh at the pika chu thing from last game. And I agree, I'm definitely lower profile than those players. I've got to go to my after-graduation drinks thing for my uni class (I still have to wait another year ) So I have to bail, but yeah, we need to keep the town active so we can try to trip up some mafia. -----------------------------------------Qatol Original Message: Yeah also shortly after I sent that JeeJee started posting. He definitely isn't worth lynching. But he should be watched. Right now, I think coolcrimefighter is our best bet. Only major thing I think is important right now in the thread is my medic post. (Do you agree with it? I'm afraid of making it much longer because that would just create a target list like last game.) Can't do anything about inertinept. At least we TRIED to make a decent decision. -----------------------------------------Bockit Original Message: Suspicious? Yes. Worth lynching him over? In my experience with mafia so far, no. Same as Rage. I just woke up and am responding to pms before I read the thread, so I don't know if anything has been worked on but the town really needs to stay active. Any plans we develop aren't going to happen until people are able to judge others as blue/green/red so until the day clues we should promote activity in the thread. Sucks about inertinept btw I wish people would play more intelligently. -----------------------------------------Qatol Original Message: What do you think about JeeJee? Like Rage he isn't posting in the mafia thread. However, they are both posting in the Dota thread....... + Show Spoiler + ----------------------------------------------------------Bockit I don't know if I'd call it insight into the situation, it just really comes across as the usual 'newish member' trying to fit in with one of the 'cool' mods that seems to happen all the time here Hmm, a stronger target? I'm not sure I won't lie I haven't got any huge suspects yet I could be wrong about quickstriker, my gut says he's not mafia but if you were to pick him I can't imagine anyone complaining (lack of anyone else to pick at this stage really). Rage is another suspicion of mine. He's been in the staff IRC channel since the thread has come up and I've been aware of it. Normally it's a pretty daunting task to read the first day or so of the thread (I know last game I put this off for half a day, made it worse but w/e) but this thread is only 13~ pages or so, with 5-6 pages of signup stuff that you can pretty much ignore. But that doesn't mean he's mafia and Rage tends not to post so much iirc from other games, he could be a hiding blue and it would suck to hit a blue. Looking back that's not really much help for picking a target , I'll keep in touch though with any thoughts. Thanks for the confidence vote It is reciprocated. [/QUOTE] It is still a bit suspicious Jeejee. Plus you keep saying "Look at Qatol and read his posts" and I am still asking you what did you find about Qatol? I understand you are still trying to defend yourself, but some of the reasoning you keep wanting to look at Qatol. Is it bad reasoning to be suspicious of you when twice you were mentioned and Bockit just turned the convo onto Rage or other thoughts he had. To add Bockit was Mafia You are telling me with that information so far we shouldn't be suspicious of you? | ||
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On April 28 2009 04:37 Ace wrote: Tricode you can't be serious. Really JeeJee is right - just look at Qatols post. Look at how he became Mayor. Sure, no one with the exception of Caller and myself (har har) seemed to have run but look at how quickly Qatol got votes. In fact, Im sure some of those people that voted for him did it just because he was the first "candidate". Now he's trying to push for a double lynch WHEN WE DO NOT NEED ONE. We don't even have 1 sure fire suspect so a regular lynch will barely do - why double lynch? Lastly, he's trying to make himself look active by accusing people. It makes Qatol seem to be on one side of the "us vs them" paradigm - namely Townies vs Mafia. However people seem to forget that with Bockit dying on Night 1 it has revealed to us that it's more like "us vs them vs those other guys too". There is more than 1 mafia family, so even if JeeJee is guilty that doesn't mean Qatol isn't either. His interests are mafia motivated just as much as anyone he accuses or gets to flip red. I never said Qatol is innocent, he could be mafia, for me I will just constantly observe even those who appear innocent now could turn up to be mafia later. Though I am seeing two side for the double lynch, I do agree, I don't think now is the time for that when we have no strong evidence like in chuiu's last game. Though I don't think Jeejee's case should be dismissed. Maybe Qatols post are irregular, fine we should look into that, but it doesn't mean we should ignore Jeejee's case. Either case, i'm sticking with this rule for now. Keep my friends close and my enemies closer. In either case I have to always keep my eye open. | ||
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On April 28 2009 10:21 Ace wrote: But thats the thing - there is a lot of information in front of us. How can people vote for JeeJee and a double lynch and NOT QUESTION IT? Hey you are really defending JeeJee hardcore. You are blowing off the evidence from the pms as if they were nothing. I will say this, I don't really know anyone here so it makes it a lot more difficult to know how some of you guys really are during this type of game. But if you are going to fight hardcore for jeejee, can you at least give me more then "JEEJEE is not mafia" Seriously, all you been saying is "No" or "Yes" with little information. I don't know you, I am not going to read your mind, and even though there maybe a good portion of vets or people near vet stage, there are those of us who need more then your word. You mentioned Qatol's behavior and reasoning seem odd, fine. That's something I don't know cause I don't know how Qatol is in the games. But at least Qatol is giving information for me to use and information that I already noticed before he said anything. If you are going to say the pm evidence between Bockit and Qatol are invalid, then give me some info please! As far as voting goes, Qatol is the only one who really went all out in giving out reasons of why he should be mayor. You just told us to trust you by looking at previous games. Sadly it's exam time and we don't got that time to spend, we in a spot where it is hard to trust people right now. In the case, how do you know you or I are not mafia. We don't, so please don't just make decelerations with out backing it up! I'm sorry if i missed some of your posts that in one or two cases do back up what you say, so if you do have some, please refer me to them so I can read. I also don't assume I think we all juts trust Qatol like idiots. We are going with the best answer. Either case, you seem to be dropping suspicion on Jeejee a bit to much in your defense for him. I can understand defending him, but do you even have a reason to almost ignore the possibly that he even mafia? | ||
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On April 28 2009 10:56 Ace wrote: I'm not defending JeeJee as much as you think I am. I've said he may be mafia, but Qatol may be also. I have no reason to trust the PMs and I don't even really care because of the fact that Qatol is trying to push a double lynch on sketchy suspects. That raises a flag far more than some PM from Bockit that really doesn't mean shit at this point. You are trying to find some way of figuring out mafia by reading people's minds and behavior when you've got a big sign in front of you thats easier to deal with. I've defended people plenty of times hardcore (see the mikeymoo incident with BC). It's not because I always think those people are innocent off the bat, but because I see a far more dangerous play being made ahead of time taking the town in the wrong direction. Me defending JeeJee has 0 bearing on my innocene - I pretty much do as I please without caring what any of you will perceive me as because: A.) I know I'm innocent B.) I know nobody can even come close to showing me as mafia C.) I'm confident that if anyone dared to try I can out debate them and prove them wrong ^_^ See, it's easy to play reckless when you're innocent. ^I appreciate this more then when i read you declaring if we lynch Jeejee you will stop playing. I can understand what you are saying, but like i said, 2 major flaws I have right now is that I am still kinda new to the game and second I don't really know any of you, so seeing something odd about Qatol is fine. Either case I might abstain my vote for now but I don't think those pms should be ignored for now just like how you might not ignore the suspicion you have of Qatol for now. With that being said, what do you think of the probable clue on Versatile? I noticed votes are being changed from JeeJee to versatile who was another suspect. | ||
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On April 28 2009 11:21 Vivi57 wrote: Tricode, what's your plan if we do lynch jeejee and he turns up green Who's the next person we lynch? Quickstriker? Qatol? Monoxide? BloodyC0bbler! He is my whole reason to learn mafia and join the game. So that one day I may kill him. I am not saying to lynch him, what I want is the evidence to not be ignored. It is something to keep an eye on. I never ever mentioned to lynch anyone. I would like more evidence to be honest. What we have that has been brought out into the open isn't enough. To me, JeeJee and Versatile maybe the highest suspects as of right now, with a few others not trailing hard behind. But as i said, for now I abstain from voting. I am hoping maybe we can clear things up and someone might shed more light for us. Either case if we did lynch Jeejee, i would say w/e happens, we should keep looking the clues and try our best to pick the best solution possible. Even if that solution is to abstain from voting with hopefully having the results of gaining more info later on and really hurting mafia. | ||
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On April 28 2009 11:38 Vivi57 wrote: tricode: vote for someone. by abstaining, you're essentially voting for jeejee and saying you want him lynched. If you believe someone else is more likely to be mafia, vote for them. I'm going to take you abstaining as a weak vote for jeejee if we have to go back and analyze voting patterns I am only abstaining right now so jeejee doesn't have my vote for now. I want to take careful consideration in who i vote for. If some reason I am to late, the two people i already said are on my top suspicion list were Jeejee and Versatile. Anyways I am going to analyze the clues a bit more and some of suspects and what people think if i can. I am also hoping during that time, people will speak up and shed more light to some clues or evidence they have found. | ||
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On April 28 2009 11:46 Versatile wrote: oh god. the majority of you are fcukin' morons and I hope the mafia wipes out the lot of you. You guys say, "Oh, Versatile hasn't defended herself". Well, you blind bats, there hasn't been a SINGLE RESPONSE to what I said in defense of myself last night. If no one has any questions for me, why should I jump up and down screaming "I'm innocent!"? Especially if the votes are going the other way? Doesn't make any sense. A few things before I'm lynched. 1. Qatol was super active and now that he is being accused, he's super quiet. You'd think there'd be a jump in his activity. And even IF he hasn't being accused, what the hell is the point of an inactive Mayor? 2. Ace is mafia. I'd bet my left tittay. 3. If Qatol is indeed mafia, him and Ace are in opposing families. Kill me now, please and thanks, I'm irritated by the sheer idiocy and buffoonery in this here thread. Damn, I would take that bet, but I have suspicions for now. | ||
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On April 29 2009 11:58 iLoveKTF wrote: this has been a long day, no? It's Mafia Daylights savings time. | ||
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On April 30 2009 03:47 TruthBringer wrote: I fixed my vote, so am now voting for Versatile. Qatol seems confident that Versatile is mafia, so I'd like to see if he is trustworthy. You're bending what was said. He said we possibly can get the most info from Versatile, nothing guaranteeing that Versatile is mafia. Though we have our suspensions. | ||
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On April 30 2009 04:23 Versatile wrote: oh and, it's a great thing you're around to defend qatol, tricode. great thing indeed. Hmm? Meh, I don't want words bent. Sorry for my accidental misspelling also. What i meant by suspicions is, that there are those who are suspicious of Qatol, Ace, and you .Sorry if we are wrong, I promise to help avenge you if you turn green/blue ;p but if you're red, go and die for your sins. I'll never go as hard as Ace into defending someone, but I find someone is using very bias words that could mislead people to what was actually said. Then I think i should try to correct it before confusion starts and we get lost in crap evidence instead of looking for has more merit in looking into. And to finish this. I will always bitch at BloodyC0bbler. It is my past time lol j/k Either case we all had an idea that the game will start off slow do to exam season, and Cob is busy with his Packing so i am just kidding around. But yeah, guys let's give Cob a little break. | ||
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On April 30 2009 09:16 Malongo wrote: If versatile flips mafia you are looking as a strong candidate sir. I am in love with tricode this round so you have wait. But more importantly: BC where are you, oh where are you. I love you too =D | ||
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1. Our new medic list. To see who needs to be protected. 2. I feel we should look at Ace. I'll explain in a later post. I also heard there were things about Qatol, if someone can bring those back up so we can examine it. 3. If we can try to make a deal with CK. Cause the CK is active tonight. Problem is, how do we make this deal? Because I'm sure who ever the CK aligns with, the CK doesn't want the opposing team to find out who they are still. | ||
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On April 28 2009 12:00 Versatile wrote: Let me explain about Ace. He thinks he's a great mafia player. He kinda is. But I know his playing style, and I've already caught one of his tells; he's done in a few of the conversations we've had already. I'm not going to tell you all what it is because if I did.....well, would I still be special? (just a lil' sarcasm, folks). The only reason I didn't raise the red flag before is because I didn't want to alarm him and cause my death even faster. Secondly, I've been talking to Ace on and off for days. He is one person who can confirm I didn't even know the game started until more than 48hrs into it. He chose not to do that though. Instead, he chose to add to the suspicion of me, and didn't bother to tell you all that we've had other conversations, so it is definitely not unusually for me to be on another board and not this one. Hell, I only come here for mafia. Either way, I'm perfectly content with dying. Hopefully though, someone pays attention to my posts afterward. Plus she was willing to bet her left tittay. I would go further, but Dell has tried to Fuck with me and I have to drop off a package to ups. Then i got my Spanish exam to look forward to >< So i may reply or i may not. It all depends on my procrastination. | ||
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On May 01 2009 12:28 Ace wrote: you 2 are kidding right? Mayor gets elected with an overwhelming number of quick votes. Puts blame on me for getting Versatile lynched when he placed all votes for her - and didn't I say this would happen? Tried to get JeeJee lynched on shit evidence and then switched to appear favorable to the town. Now he's making a medic list and leaving me off of it even though I've already taken a hit. He's playing really fucked up. Seriously how can you keep saying "oh there goes another small suspicion, ok I'm 80% sure he's mafia" - No. The guy is clearly dirty. Lynch him tomorrow. Ace no one was there to really oppose him for running for mayor. The evidence for almost everyone could be considered near shit and I didn't see you trying to protect anyone else when there was shit evidence on them. The fact you didn't vote for Versatile could mean this -You could be mafia but you're not stupid to vote for someone you know isn't going to turn red Even though you say you took a hit. There is no way to prove you are mafia just lying and just taking advantage of the lack of proof we can have since we can't do med team up cause there are 2 mafia families out there. You even voted for quickstriker in claims to make the votes a draw to protect jeejee but instead you made quickstriker have the lead to be lynched. You didn't even say if you believed in the evidence or not, all you wanted to do it seems was to protect Jeejee. I will say this. I am not pleased that extra votes were used on versatile he could of gone with less votes. I guess he wanted to guarantee versatile was lynched to get information. But in the end, that information means it's between you and him now. So if we lynch you and you turn out red, well you played well as mafia. If you flip green, well I don't think things will look good for Qatol. Now if Qatol flips green, well you even did a better job as mafia or your just a shit ass townie. If Qatol flips red. Well I guess I would owe you an apology but would ask you to give more information for the future. I can't just go flat out trusting your word every time. The question is, who would be more beneficial to lynch for the town when that time comes? | ||
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On May 01 2009 13:27 Ace wrote: I didn't swing the votes stop trying to pin it on me. This is not "between me and Qatol". This isn't a "if this guy flips then this guy is guilty" scenario. No wonder no one tells you two anything important you are WAY OFF on your thinking. Read my posts again. Read Qatol's posts right after. If you think I voted swung votes for Versatile then why wouldn't I vote for her if I really wanted her dead? Duh? The one guy I said I didn't want to see lynched above all was JeeJee so obviously I would vote to make sure he doesn't get lynched. DOES THIS MAKE SENSE NOW? Look dude. Yeah you're right it's not if one guy is green the other guy is red. but if Qatol turns green, I rather kill you off just cause you helped move the vote away from Versatile. I don't know if you are just trying to pick parts of what we say that you think would benefit you or what, but I said I don't think your stupid enough to vote for Versatile. If you are mafia, you know she most likely isn't or your taking a chance that she might be other mafia team. Either case, it would be best for you not to vote her, cause everyone else is doing it for you after whether you intentionally or not helped versatile become prime lynch. Either case if you noticed that, why not vote someone else! That would be the smart thing. Unless you are saying if you were mafia you would be stupid and vote for her to get caught in such a trap! Yeah, obviously you don't want Jeejee to get lynched for w/e reason! For all we know both of you are mafia and you don't want killing power to go down! Stop acting stupid about why not voting for her if you wanted her to die! If you are mafia I don't think you care if she dies or not as long as you and your team survive and keep killing townies. And for all we know your thought pattern was don't vote for her (if mafia once again) and when she turns green/blue people won't suspect you? If you're mafia you don't want to be caught, why make a stupid move like that? | ||
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But I feel you are a bit to cocky for your own good. Either case to me you are either a useless townie that isn't helping with any progress, letting your true potential go to waste do to w/e reason, or a good mafia player. Now here is something you could do that may take some heat off you. Help us get some progress. Good day sir. | ||
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I'm not fully blaming Ace for the death of Versatile, but we are taking what Versatile said in consideration. Also, the fact that he stuck up for Jeejee as much as he did troubles me. I was looking in past games, he has never defended someone so hard. Also he seems a bit cockier this game then what I could tell previous games. (I will add i didn't go through the whole thread of the previous games, but just a lot of pages to give me an idea.) To me Ace is almost kinda useless. If he is a townie he isn't helping much, so lynch him and we just lose a townie that hasn't caused us to progress, he is not giving us much information when he says anything. He might as well bluntly just tell us someone is mafia or not and we should just blindly listen to him. Cause most information he gives lack information and reasoning. If he gives reasoning they hold some merit but they aren't strong, they are nearly weak in some cases. Ace is also giving lame excuses about since he didn't vote for Versatile he = innocent. It's stupid to just believe him so easily like that. | ||
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I just woke up about 20mins ago. My cousin just said they are coming over and right now i am really dazed and have a headache. So if you are wondering why i'm a bit less active that is why. Cause of some (fuck ups), i probably will even be a little less active but I'll try my best to stay active as much as i can. who knows i might get lucky. | ||
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On May 02 2009 09:10 Scamp wrote: Can anyone tell me a reason why we shouldn't just lynch QuickStriker? At this point. I think maybe he might be mafia. Some deaths from some of the clues, were quick, the victims died before being able to react. Thus the name "Quickstriker" Quickly thereafter truthbringer head rolled across the sidewalk. This might be connected to Quickstriker as well. Note, Laxercannon died by having an arrow pierce his neck. Blue arrow? | ||
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I stand by my thoughts. We screwed up with wasting a hit on Ace and killing Versatile. The only people who even killed Mafia, was Mafia. Let's aim for more potential targets for our vigi's. We can use behavior analysis to help us, but right now we aren't using it to it's full potential. I think the mafia has a high k/p right now. They probably do to balance out the game, cause unless they some how by the slightest damn chance they find each other and some how confirm each other to be mafia (i highly doubt it) they are going to kill each other, so to balance it out, they probably have more a high k/p. (This will also probably help balance out the game so it doesn't take forever. So maybe at this rate with our help Right now, they got lucky and killed a lot of us (with the possible exception of caller who called out on vigi hitting Ace.) If any case, mafia probably are like screw it, if they kill each other they kill each other. But at this rate, they killed 7 of us! (ace is 8) so let's say when thye had bockit that could have been 8! Also we don't know if they doubled on someone, so maybe even 9 or 10 if they had bockit with them! So if we look at how many mafia there could be...maybe 6-8 mafia each side (Since mafia numbers are normally bigger then k/p right)? sharing 4 of 5 kp for each side? Let's just say they had 4k/p each, then that would = 8 and bockit dies = 7 right? There are 43 left of us in total so if they keep killing with 7kp, they can kill us in 6-7 days. That seems to long of a game even if you subtract 7 people, that only saves a day! there should be at least 13-15 mafia still. Which saves 2 days making it 4-5 days left until they clean house. If we keep fucking up and use our vigi hits and kill wrong people, also keep lynching wrong people, we can reduce that time to possibly 3-4 days with our big game! That is why we need to make more accurate and better choices in who to vigi hit and lynch! | ||
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So i'm going to ignore you and come up with my own analysis. I don't care if you kill me, but i will turn up green. I am not sure if you are mafia or not, for right now I will guess not, (just for right now) Though, don't forget you been trying to call me mafia all game, then pmed me yourself thinking I was the CK instead. I wonder why you are trying to lure out the CK with promising medic when just trying to find a med for the CK with out any explanation would most likely just get the CK killed anyways. | ||
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On May 04 2009 17:12 Malongo wrote: LOL how the hell can I kill you. In fact i cant do shit. At most i can vote and that doesnt do anything because the people i vote never get lynched anyways  . If I asked you about the CK was because you really put too much effort into finding him, nothing more nothing less. And the only thing i said about you is IF VER FLIPS RED TRICODE IS TOO PM WISE. Dont you agree with me?No, i don't. You are saying just because Ver is red that I am red pm wise (that is just basically declaring i'm red and i should be killed right after Ver). That is a logical fallacy. Cause you don't know if i am red or not nor do i know if you are red or not. I stay with this, I'm not mafia. Also if for any reason Ver is not mafia I will totally pissed. The time the guy would have after he came back from his thing tuesday (like he mentioned in his early posts before i think roles were assigned) he did come back by a decent time where he was still catching up. He just didn't post yet and I told you why. That doesn't mean he is innocent, but I think you are being to rash if you are trying to put guilt onto him as of now. Anyways I told you I only recently contacted Ver, like i said in the pm. If you want I can prove pm wise/time that it started late. Second of all. I go with the saying, keep my friends close, but my enemies closer. You figure out what I mean by that. | ||
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Since I am still alive, I am going to go hardcore before my turn comes up. Here are some Incognito's final pms. From: Incognito Subject: Mafia Date: 5/5/09 15:53 I'm 80% sure I will die tonight. Please actively pursue: Ver 3clipse Mynock HeavOnEarth - maybe Qatol Chuiu From: Incognito Subject: Re: In case I die: Date: 5/5/09 14:18 Also if I die Mynock and Qatol are VERY STRONG suspects for mafia. | ||
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I was fucking trying to figure you out through le5 card game during that time Qatol also. Fucking Cob made it to where it wasn't easy to check online. I had some others on my list that were mafia. WHen i came to vote for you, i was so fucked up about school, all i saw was this retard medic list you claimed and i was like, fuck it, qatol is mafia. Didn't know you went out admitting it. I was working on some others (others = anyone who i talked to on pm, doesn't mean i was sure you were mafia i just couldn't put my finger on it.). But LucasWoj was my main target ever since day 2. | ||
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On May 08 2009 08:52 LucasWoJ wrote: Besides the colors, which I probably could have wiggled out of, if anyone really pressed the issue, I was very pleased with the clues.  Dude, you had fucking everything in your profile. You should of just got lynch to not cause confusion ;p Though I was building a case on you >< I wanted you lynched so badly, but i wanted to make a real hardcore convincing argument. | ||
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On May 08 2009 09:02 LucasWoJ wrote: There was no way, Tricode. Btw, does anyone still have the Mafia MVP stuff? Who was that awarded to? Ace, versatile, malongo, tricode and someone else were all mentioned. And good thing we put two on pyrr the first night. =O Meh, maybe but then again your profile linked to more clues then others who had done the same thing ;p | ||
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My first thought "well he is probably mafia, might as well wait for some clues" I did, day 2 came and I began trying to link him to clues. Problem is, his profile contains a lot of crap that could link to like 80% of the clues in the game! So i was deciding to build up. I trusted no one even if they supported my suspicions. Problem was >< Qatol just reinforced my suspicions on guys i was not sure about, which screwed me over for a little, though i still kept trying to find something on qatol I just didn't know how to collect myself to bring the evidence to the forums to where my word would be strong =\ | ||
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When he did come back via pm through me. I didn't really do what he asked, and I was kinda sick of our misses so i didn't want to fuck up by killing ver with out any evidence that i could see yet =\. At that point i just wanted a gaurtnee mafia hit. | ||
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