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Way to quote me out of context. let me state it differently. Other people are saying/planning on using the Contract Killer to the town's advantage. I am suggesting that the Contract Killer use the town to his advantage and trying to come up with scenarios where that might be possible. That would be managing his use, yes.
Any off the wall things like that where he has to find certain people/roles to kill, he is even more better off using the town because then he can eventually find a Detective and start doubling his efforts in his search for which roles he needs to kill. Assuming, again, that its roles. I just made up an example of a possible set of goals he might have to accomplish.
All I'm saying is that we can provide all the incentives in the world, but its ultimately how healthy we are as a town that determines just how much incentive we have to offer. A few inactive townies and 0 medics left can't really offer much to a CK. The focus right now with respect to CKs should be identifying mafia that we want killed and getting the ball rolling on cutting their KP. Once their KP drops and the value of mafia hits increase, medic protection will be worth more and CKs will have much less to worry about from stray mafia hits.
If CK demands more services from other blues, then something would seem a bit odd. Why would it seem odd? You have no idea what the CK's goals are. If the CK's goals are role based, getting more role information might be his prime desire. If its survival he can stay on medic.
This is EXACTLY what i was talking about; you can't assume to predict the CK's game perfectly because we don't even know what they're after.
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@SoG: If the CK is any good, he'd probably want to be outspoken. If we are going by your logic, that he wouldn't side with Mafia because they might backstab him then he'd want to appear to be valuable enough to the town that he's worth protecting. However since none of us know what the CK is actually going to do (and L is right, it's probably best he/she waits to see who is winning) then it's almost baseless to assume which side they would pick.
BUT if I was the CK I'd be trying to run for Mayor. That way if I decided to side with Mafia they could never backstab me.
^_^
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On April 23 2009 07:29 L wrote:Show nested quote +If CK demands more services from other blues, then something would seem a bit odd. Why would it seem odd? You have no idea what the CK's goals are. If the CK's goals are role based, getting more role information might be his prime desire. If its survival he can stay on medic. This is EXACTLY what i was talking about; you can't assume to predict the CK's game perfectly because we don't even know what they're after.
I also said, if he does the roles he would demand would have to be kept secret. He shouldn't know who is protecting him as long as he is getting protection.
It depends on how much he wants to know and what type of information. If he asks something to the extent of wanting to know who has the role, then that might be pushing it. We should never really have to reveal our role identity to the CK, well at most maybe 1 detective and that would probably be it.
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actually I dont think we have to reveal anything to the CK until we are sure he is who he says he is AND he has as much to lose as we do (his death) once that is proven.
Saying don't worry, we are sure we can prot you but you dont need to know who is doing it is good for the first night, but after that it's probably a good idea to welcome him into whatever circle has this info.
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Hey guys, I'm just checking in. I'll be reading and post my thoughts tonight.
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On April 23 2009 07:41 Ace wrote:
actually I dont think we have to reveal anything to the CK until we are sure he is who he says he is AND he has as much to lose as we do (his death) once that is proven.
Saying don't worry, we are sure we can prot you but you dont need to know who is doing it is good for the first night, but after that it's probably a good idea to welcome him into whatever circle has this info.
Yeah, I can agree with that. Though we still should not reveal everyone, just only when it is necessary and for good reasons. But I definitly agree we should hold off for maybe the first night or two.
Maybe I just being a bit paranoid and too cautious.
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On April 23 2009 07:36 Ace wrote:BUT if I was the CK I'd be trying to run for Mayor. That way if I decided to side with Mafia they could never backstab me.
You ARE running for Mayor!!! O_O
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yea but Im not the CK so that doesnt help too much in my case x_x
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On April 23 2009 08:01 Ace wrote:
yea but Im not the CK so that doesnt help too much in my case x_x
^----I demand proof
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Though I really don't want to talk about clues right now since the town is going way off topic talking about the CK, which plays such a small role in the huge scope of the game, I'm going to post what I think are clues and why...
He quickly moved along the corridor, glancing in each room as he went by, slowly making it to the stairs leading down to the entryway.
Ignoring the fact he's moving quickly then slowly (probably just something BC missed on proofreading), it seems that he's paranoid of someone ready to jump out at him. Now this sounds like a big generic "yeah that sounds like every other paranoid clue" but it stands out to me because BC has him actively searching and not just being frightful of an attacker.
As he reached the top of the stairs, he heard a sound behind him, he turned, just in time to see a lunging figure bowl into him, flinging him down the stairs, leaving him broken on the floor.
Maybe BC's just sick of seeing me use the word 'tackle' for this action but I think bowl is a strong clue here.
Once he had the last pile safely in the fire, he gazed up to look at his tv, only too see an uncomprehensable phrase before the tv exploded, killing Scaramanga in the blast.
I think everyone knows this is a clue, but I don't think anyone is on the right track with it. I think the explosion on the tv is either linked to the clue or simply not part of it at all, but I don't think the phrase and the tv exploding are separate clues.
No suspects yet, I simply refuse to point fingers publicly on day 1.
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My clue analysis coming up.
I've been busy studying for a bunch of standardized tests, so I apologize if I reiterate something that has already been mentioned. I'll read the thread after my post so that nothing conflicts with what I initially think. However, I've noticed that there are only 11 pages in this thread , which is pretty bad (since we hit the 20s usually). Silence helps the mafia considerably so even if you're not up for analyzing clues, please do something useful. Analyze behavior or something. That helped us tremendously last game with mrbabyhands and I suspect it will help us a lot now as well.
The town of Liquidia was
once again under siege .
The language seems slightly odd here. Because the word "siege" is used, a list of those with siege tanks should be made. I'll do this after I read the thread. Also, when I read this, the very first thing to come to mind was "Rome: Total War." For any of those who have played any games in the series they'll know that the guy says "settlement under seige, sir." I'm not sure whether cobbler (or scaramanga if he's writing this) has played the game, but one might want to keep an eye on such references.
As he reached the top of the stairs, he heard a sound behind him, he turned, just in time to see a lunging figure bowl into him, flinging him down the stairs, leaving him broken on the floor.
Bloodyc0bbler was left to die slowly, which happened a few hours later.
Okay, this one's poorly written, so I can't discern whether the few things that come up are as a result of poor writing or not. I think the writing's intentional in that regard. Nevertheless, some words still stand out. Bowl, for example, means to walk or knock into him, but it replaces the more common and expected word "knock." Bowl could be referring to a bowling ball, a toilet, etc. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bowl).
Because "bowl" is used, "lunged" is used in a somewhat strange way too because it really should be the verb in this case (the figure lunged at him, as opposed to "bowl"), and not an adjective. It's a double descriptive, and because bloodycobbler's a decent writer, it appears something's being emphasized, most notably, concerning the motion ofthe mafioso. Anything with "stretching" or something along those lines in the future is most likely a clue.
"Flinging" is another one that doesn't realyt fit in with the deciription. You fling an insect or those triangular football things. Either this is a note about his size or his need for dominance because that's essentially what he's exerting.
uncomprehensable phrase He didn't say incomprehensible phrase, which to me has to nuance that it cannot be understood under any circumstances, whereas uncomprehensible is simple difficult to be understood by someone, but still able to be so. Therefore, look for quotations that are exceedingly erudite or seemingly profound, just difficult to get.
before the tv exploded
Okay, so this characterization is easier. He's a bomber.
On a related note, it seems bloodycobbler only described two mafiosi, and I hope there's something to that. Although someone may have said it already, it's tremendously unfair to the town if only two mafiosi are described each day, no matter in how much detail because we can't analyze behavioral patterns. If you were intending to do that, it'd be day 15 or so before any pattern could be noticibly distinguished.
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Detectives,
If you would do me a favor. Check either Caller, SoG or myself when you get the chance.
For those who are good at interpretation, I'm sure you know where I'm going with this.
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Ok I think I'm going to post my final thoughts on the CK. The town should be willing to work with him. We can even do what we can to make contracts with him without interfering with his victory conditions. However, he needs to contact the town early. If he makes a contract with the mafia, he is essentially in the mafia's pocket without constant medic protection. He then becomes a liability to the town. So the CK basically needs to choose sides before his first hit. Continuing deals might be a problem, but I think it can be figured out decently easily.
Other matters to discuss:
Barring a HUGE shift in voting at the last second, I will be mayor. As I promised in my earlier post, I will be lynching an inactive that I think shouldn't be inactive. I AM trying to avoid someone who claims they are busy with exams. I kept off people who had even made 1 moderately long post.
Here is the list of inactives:
8.JeeJee
11. RebirthOfLeGend
13. Mandalor
15. nemY
19. Hyperbola
25. Camlito
26. Mynock
28. Versatile
29. 3 Lions
31. fusionsdf
32. truthbringer
35. Quickstriker
36. Rage
37. Motbob
39. Blue_Arrow
40. Inertinept
41. 0cz3c
43. Amber[light]
45. Aznvaliance
46. Laxercannon
48. ILoveKtf
49. T_co
50. scamp
51. goodwill
52. CompX
53. coolcrimefighter
54. YDG
56. Vivi57
List of those people who did not post in day 1 thread, just voted for mayor:
31. fusionsdf
32. truthbringer
35. Quickstriker - trolled the voting thread
46. Laxercannon
49. T_co
50. scamp
51. goodwill
53. coolcrimefighter
54. YDG
List of people with 1 one-liner post, but posted SOMETHING:
27. LordWeird - "Let the wild accusations begin!" and then a crazy accusation post
44. Zapling - "vote me for mayor wooo ill be a good one"
55. Mista - “Still taking my own sweet time ..”
List of people I consider to be exceptions due to school:
7.Fishball - “I would not have access to TL from Thursday to Sunday (Back on Sunday).”
10. Ver - "Due to an intense finals period I won't be on until a brief bit friday, and then I will probably go do research and will be tied up until mon/tues."
24. Mikeymoo - "mikeymoo and I are going to be inactive for about 24 hours due to an upcoming final. Sorry" (monoxide posted this)
47. Monoxide - “mikeymoo and I are going to be inactive for about 24 hours due to an upcoming final. Sorry”
Names that stand out to me from the list:
25. Camlito - he hasn't talked at all. surprising for a veteran player
26. Mynock - he is usually a pretty logical guy who is active
28. Versatile - VERY active during the election in Ace's Mafia World. Logical posts last game. Was pretty active.
36. Rage - come on man. You're TL staff. Gotta be held to a higher standard activity-wise.
If anyone has a better idea of who I should be targeting, please post it in the thread or PM me. Remember, the theory is that we should be targeting people who are uncharacteristically silent.
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On April 23 2009 09:20 Showtime! wrote:
Detectives,
If you would do me a favor. Check either Caller, SoG or myself when you get the chance.
For those who are good at interpretation, I'm sure you know where I'm going with this.
I don't know where you're going with this. Unless you mean people avoiding voting for Qatol?
Also, I PMed this to lucaswoj and then realized it probably should have just been a post:
"showtime! is a tank that's all i know of, haven't checked thoroughly
also Under Siege is a movie and a video game (or two maybe)
I kinda don't think this is a clue though it isn't as awkwardly worded as some of the other phrases and BC hasn't used unit icons as clues before def. wouldn't on day 1 unless it was with someone with no profile, hard name, no pic, no quote, no nothing, so if it is a clue i dont think it links to a unit icon."
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On April 23 2009 09:30 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2009 09:20 Showtime! wrote:
Detectives,
If you would do me a favor. Check either Caller, SoG or myself when you get the chance.
For those who are good at interpretation, I'm sure you know where I'm going with this. I don't know where you're going with this. Unless you mean people avoiding voting for Qatol? Also, I PMed this to lucaswoj and then realized it probably should have just been a post: "showtime! is a tank that's all i know of, haven't checked thoroughly also Under Siege is a movie and a video game (or two maybe) I kinda don't think this is a clue though it isn't as awkwardly worded as some of the other phrases and BC hasn't used unit icons as clues before def. wouldn't on day 1 unless it was with someone with no profile, hard name, no pic, no quote, no nothing, so if it is a clue i dont think it links to a unit icon."
Actually he told me he used a unit icon 1 time as a clue last game. However it was for a player who doesn't post much, so there was 0 chance their icon would change.
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Under Siege is also a Steven Segal movie so if Tasteless was playing I would lynch the hell out of him 
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CK: will probably not be wanting to use a RC. He can't use it until day 2, and wont get the results back till the next night: night 3. Which means the info can't be used effectively till the day after. I think the CK will certainly know which way the game is going by this point, so there would be no need to waste all that time if you could be killing people.
I think people are going on the wrong track with the CK. We're assuming there IS a separate goal for CK. I'm not so convinced there is, except for possibly a stay alive role. Nonetheless, I will try to present an option. If you look at the first part of the text:
You are a man for hire. You excel in information and death. You work for the best offer, and offer your services to all who can buy it, and your job means everything to you.
you see that pretty much this role is related to the job and only the job. I think its far fetched to think that the CK might have to have some kill objectives like kill one mafia and one DT like someone suggested. I feel from this sentence it is more likely that the CK MUST use his power every turn he can. Hence the bolded part.
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On April 23 2009 09:33 Qatol wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2009 09:30 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:On April 23 2009 09:20 Showtime! wrote:
Detectives,
If you would do me a favor. Check either Caller, SoG or myself when you get the chance.
For those who are good at interpretation, I'm sure you know where I'm going with this. I don't know where you're going with this. Unless you mean people avoiding voting for Qatol? Also, I PMed this to lucaswoj and then realized it probably should have just been a post: "showtime! is a tank that's all i know of, haven't checked thoroughly also Under Siege is a movie and a video game (or two maybe) I kinda don't think this is a clue though it isn't as awkwardly worded as some of the other phrases and BC hasn't used unit icons as clues before def. wouldn't on day 1 unless it was with someone with no profile, hard name, no pic, no quote, no nothing, so if it is a clue i dont think it links to a unit icon." Actually he told me he used a unit icon 1 time as a clue last game. However it was for a player who doesn't post much, so there was 0 chance their icon would change.
I guess there's a chance that a siege tank could be a clue then because it starts I think at 1000 and goes to 2000 (maybe) so if someone is far from 2000 its doubtful they would hit it before the game ends... still showtime! would have plenty of other things to use, if there's a tank icon attached to someone with no profile etc then maybe
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I think it would be highly unlikely and also highly unimaginative if BC used unit icons again.
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