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Pyrrhuloxia
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States6700 Posts
March 23 2009 22:54 GMT
#1081
I guess it depends on whether or not we keep being successful because as soon as you go all out one saying someone is red and they turn not red or you come up with nothing useful for long stretches you would get caught. The problem I see with you being a mouthpiece for 3 DTs is that you could feed false information and always claim its one of the other thats false but then again youd have to have us hang them and turn red or you would die fast so if it is some scheme of yours it would fall apart fast I think. But if you are mafia and get all 3 DTs' identities it might be worth it. And if you wanted to try to get DTs to out themselves it would look pretty much exactly like this.
semioldguy
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
United States7488 Posts
March 23 2009 23:10 GMT
#1082
Obviously the worst case scenario here is that if I am guilty, as it could potentially screw over ALL of the town's DT's.

I still think that if there are DT's out there that they should NOT Role claim to me yet regardless. It should become apparent whether this is all true or not before very long.
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Pyrrhuloxia
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States6700 Posts
March 23 2009 23:11 GMT
#1083
On March 24 2009 08:10 semioldguy wrote:
Obviously the worst case scenario here is that if I am guilty, as it could potentially screw over ALL of the town's DT's.

I still think that if there are DT's out there that they should NOT Role claim to me yet regardless. It should become apparent whether this is all true or not before very long.

How does it become apparent without DTs outing themselves to you or publicly?
semioldguy
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
United States7488 Posts
March 23 2009 23:22 GMT
#1084
Because if we aren't DT's somewhere things are eventually not going to be accurate. I'm not saying they shouldn't out themselves to myself or publically eventually, just not immediately (and not necessarily to me).

Personally, I am very suspicious of all this.
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Pyrrhuloxia
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States6700 Posts
March 23 2009 23:24 GMT
#1085
Wow I miss Qatol and Ver this thread is already becoming a bit of a ghost town. We're gonna need more townies to step up and plan. I think we need to figure out how to lay some ground rules for this DT situation so we don't get misled either by semioldguy or false DTs that may try to take advantage of semioldguy/town.
fusionsdf
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada15390 Posts
March 23 2009 23:35 GMT
#1086
On March 24 2009 04:38 redtooth wrote:
I've been out for a while but I'm glad to come back to good news. Now that mandalor's flipped red (and mafia KP is lowered) I say we should go ahead and cluecheck Rice. Rolecheck priorities should go to Ace and BC. Also, Ace is protected tonight because of Incarceration right?

To Chuiu and special role players (including mafia): Let's hurry up and get the next morning up.
To Medics: I trust that you guys will make the right decisions
To fusiondf: Are you going to actively maintain that blog? You should put it on your profile or something because its drowned among the billion other blogs in TL.


yep. I try and read through the thread, but if anyone wants something to be included in the blog, its best to PM me, since its easiest to add, it I can add it pretty quickly since I'll see it soon after you post and it won't get drowned in a sea of long posts that don't say anything.
SKT_Best: "I actually chose Protoss because it was so hard for me to defeat Protoss as a Terran. When I first started Brood War, my main race was Terran."
semioldguy
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
United States7488 Posts
March 23 2009 23:36 GMT
#1087
If I am Mafia (which is a really, really big if) then I see the following as possible scenarios:

(1) I already know the identity of two Detectives, neither of which I should have known about in my opinion. In this case there is only one more Detective out there. Mafia have much less to gain from this as by not revealing this information I can instead try to misguide the two I do know about in my direction of their actions and mafia kills them when they are of no more use. There is little for mafia to gain in this scenario if only one other Detective is out, in my opinion that would not be worth the risk to essentially give myself up for a single Detective.

(2) I completely made everything up. This means there are three Detectives out there (none of which whom I know about). In this situation mafia may stand to gain intel of all three Detectives. There is more to still be gained by mafia from this scenario, which is why if the DT's need to come out, they shouldn't come out to me (though we will have to find someone else to trust... I should also not decide that person)

Neither of these are very likely in my opinion though. I am currently quite suspicious of the other two Detectives.
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Scooter
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States747 Posts
March 23 2009 23:39 GMT
#1088
Sorry for the inactivity :3 Finals for school sucks, I'm catching up on everything right now. Saw the chuiu posts, great job on the lynches!
My unblocks gets yo curleh mustache wet のωの
fusionsdf
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada15390 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-03-23 23:42:37
March 23 2009 23:39 GMT
#1089
as for semioldguy, we trust him as soon as its in our interest to. In other words, the moment that enough mafia are killed that a mafia sacrifice/exchange for the DT info still benefits town.

If we value DTs to mafia 1 to 1, then after 4 sog lead lynches, it might be suitable for the DTs to roleclaim to sog. The reasoning is, even if it was a mafia ploy, they screwed up and came out behind anyways, and if it isn't a ploy then we come out even further ahead.

Of course you have to worry about how many mafia a dt is worth, and how directly sog contributed to the lynch, so its fairly theoretical

sog: It seems equally likely (assuming your innocence) that the roleclaiming dt is a dt or mafia. I would suggest coming up with a way to test, and not ignoring the roleclaimed completely. If you can construct a situation where there is a 1-1 trade of townie for mafia, its in town's interest to do so
SKT_Best: "I actually chose Protoss because it was so hard for me to defeat Protoss as a Terran. When I first started Brood War, my main race was Terran."
semioldguy
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
United States7488 Posts
March 23 2009 23:42 GMT
#1090
I definitely want to hear from others how we should handle this as a town.
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Pyrrhuloxia
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States6700 Posts
March 23 2009 23:44 GMT
#1091
about 4:40 left in the night
LucasWoJ
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States936 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-03-23 23:46:32
March 23 2009 23:46 GMT
#1092
I'm still waiting for this from mrbabyhands: "tonight i'm putting together a post that lists my top suspects and rationale for suspecting them tho." That's a response to one of my PMs concerning his inactivity on the forums.


EDIT: And that was yesterday.
"Of all the words of mice and men, the saddest are it could have been." - Kurt Vonnegut
nemY
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States3119 Posts
March 23 2009 23:57 GMT
#1093
On March 24 2009 08:42 semioldguy wrote:
I definitely want to hear from others how we should handle this as a town.


I think we should get drunk, but admittedly I have not been following this game as much as I should be. I'll try to start picking it up though

For now I'll leave my suspicions to myself, simply because... they're based on my opinion and have no real backing what so ever.
Bockit
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Sydney2287 Posts
March 24 2009 00:00 GMT
#1094
On March 24 2009 08:42 semioldguy wrote:
I definitely want to hear from others how we should handle this as a town.


I'm imagining it now, the ultimate mafia ploy. SoG (godfather) says he's a DT, lynches a mafia for us, then these other 'dts' roleclaim to him (mafia) and he announces in the thread that he has now been contacted by the other two dts and that if there are any dts out there that he hasn't been in contact with regarding their dt status, they might have some mafia. Three real dts roleclaim to SoG and the next night we have 3 dead dts.

It's possible, I think also that a godfather tradeoff for 3 dts is probably worth it from the mafia perspective.

I'm not saying SoG is godfather, more that in the interests of the town, I think the dts shouldn't be roleclaiming to anyone quite just yet.

As for the clues to check from day 1 (I realise I'm a bit late in the night now, but just in case you haven't checked yet and are still unsure), I think any of the three dreamflower listed would be good ones to try and pin on a player.
Their are four errors in this sentance.
Pyrrhuloxia
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States6700 Posts
March 24 2009 00:02 GMT
#1095
On March 24 2009 09:00 Bockit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 24 2009 08:42 semioldguy wrote:
I definitely want to hear from others how we should handle this as a town.


I'm imagining it now, the ultimate mafia ploy. SoG (godfather) says he's a DT, lynches a mafia for us, then these other 'dts' roleclaim to him (mafia) and he announces in the thread that he has now been contacted by the other two dts and that if there are any dts out there that he hasn't been in contact with regarding their dt status, they might have some mafia. Three real dts roleclaim to SoG and the next night we have 3 dead dts.

It's possible, I think also that a godfather tradeoff for 3 dts is probably worth it from the mafia perspective.

I'm not saying SoG is godfather, more that in the interests of the town, I think the dts shouldn't be roleclaiming to anyone quite just yet.

As for the clues to check from day 1 (I realise I'm a bit late in the night now, but just in case you haven't checked yet and are still unsure), I think any of the three dreamflower listed would be good ones to try and pin on a player.

SoG doesn't even have to be godfather because all he can be rolechecked to is Mayor.
Bockit
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Sydney2287 Posts
March 24 2009 00:03 GMT
#1096
Also, where is Ace? He's in the lockup but that doesn't stop him being able to speak. And being in lockup, he can't be killed tonight, which means it was his chance to go nuts with clue/behaviour/plans and be safe for another night.
Their are four errors in this sentance.
Bockit
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Sydney2287 Posts
March 24 2009 00:04 GMT
#1097
On March 24 2009 09:02 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 24 2009 09:00 Bockit wrote:
On March 24 2009 08:42 semioldguy wrote:
I definitely want to hear from others how we should handle this as a town.


I'm imagining it now, the ultimate mafia ploy. SoG (godfather) says he's a DT, lynches a mafia for us, then these other 'dts' roleclaim to him (mafia) and he announces in the thread that he has now been contacted by the other two dts and that if there are any dts out there that he hasn't been in contact with regarding their dt status, they might have some mafia. Three real dts roleclaim to SoG and the next night we have 3 dead dts.

It's possible, I think also that a godfather tradeoff for 3 dts is probably worth it from the mafia perspective.

I'm not saying SoG is godfather, more that in the interests of the town, I think the dts shouldn't be roleclaiming to anyone quite just yet.

As for the clues to check from day 1 (I realise I'm a bit late in the night now, but just in case you haven't checked yet and are still unsure), I think any of the three dreamflower listed would be good ones to try and pin on a player.

SoG doesn't even have to be godfather because all he can be rolechecked to is Mayor.


I forgot about that, an even better tradeoff then.

Still conjecture, but enough reason for dts *not* to roleclaim to SoG.
Their are four errors in this sentance.
semioldguy
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
United States7488 Posts
March 24 2009 00:07 GMT
#1098
Which is why I posted that none of them should be claiming to me should they happen to exist out there.
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semioldguy
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
United States7488 Posts
March 24 2009 00:09 GMT
#1099
The clue I already sent in to be checked about 30 minutes ago was "He reached out his hand as if to help Chuiu up, Chuiu grabbed his hand with a puzzled look on his face and began to get up."

Which was one of the clues she mentioned.
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JL13
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States1384 Posts
March 24 2009 00:10 GMT
#1100
Well so far, if you want a sure-fire way to confirm #2's innocence... we lynch #3 on Day3.

If #3 comes up DT, we have #2 confirmed DT.

If #3 comes up anything besides DT, #2 is mafia

This is a massive loss. I'm not sure if it's in the town's best interest to go this path. Town trades 1 DT (#3) for a confirmed DT (#2), or 1 town role (#3) for a confirmed mafia (#2). #3 DT will post publicly everything he knows/has done before he gets lynched. I'd figure to throw this out there if we have no other way of dealing with this problem.

I'll figure something else out if possible, but since there is very little time before night ends, I thought I should post this immediately.

Btw, if #3 has NOT used a night action, I think I have a plan that will net the town either 3 confirmed DTs or 2 confirmed mafia, not sure, still working out its logic.
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