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Pyrrhuloxia
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States6700 Posts
March 20 2009 23:33 GMT
#801
Good morning everybody - lots of good looking analysis to read through. I'll do so and soon be back to my merry post-happy ways.
Pyrrhuloxia
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States6700 Posts
March 21 2009 00:10 GMT
#802
Ver's indict of scaramanga looks pretty good but I feel it is important to mention near all of it is not verifiable for most of us because we don't see the pms, msn messages, etc. Ver's taking a big risk with this accusation I feel, but he may not be alive in the morning so posting it when he did speaks to his fear of the mafia.

Scaramanga's explanation about the BG eff up seems like it would sort of match the type of eff up Chuiu explained in the green post (or maybe an attempt to exploit that? should look at the timing of those missives more closely).

I think we should do our best to find clues and behavior analysis that can implicate the same persyn. Someone said Lurker might be suspicious for his lackluster campaign, though I think that could be as indicative of noob townie and noob mafia (although I think noob townie would know to vote for an experienced persyn). Lurker could also be the mafia waiting around while Incognito tried to dig through the rubble for underground evidence of him.

That's some really poor behavioral analysis and iffy day 1 clue stuff but hopefully we can find better clues to match some of this better behavior analysis once day 2 pops up.
semioldguy
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
United States7488 Posts
March 21 2009 00:39 GMT
#803
Someone mentioned user rank icons as clues... I'd hope not for a couple reasons. Rank icons can change, both on their own and manually by a moderator. Plus I don't want flying monkeys in the mafia thread. Staff icons generally don't change though.

Whoever suggested that as a clue (I don't remember exactly) I should go in and permanently make him a drone/probe/scv :p
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Scaramanga
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Australia8091 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-03-21 03:45:23
March 21 2009 02:40 GMT
#804
On March 21 2009 08:22 0cz3c wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
Ver, I read your post. Some thoughts:

"Bodyguards are only drawn from green townies. Rationally speaking, it's plain stupid and a newbie move for a legit BG to come forth and privately tell the sheriff that he's a BG (no gain considerable risk). Scaramanga is not a newbie. He may have done this impulsively, yes, that is true. But this would totally conflict with every other part of this analysis. For Scara's side or not, there is another person who roleclaimed BG but I don't know who it is. This is a lot of evidence already, but oh yes there is more."

You also mentioned that I am a suspect for saying that he does not qualify as one of the twelve experienced members. It wasn't that I was trying to disqualify Ace's plan (that is to say, immediately after I had posted that, you responded, and it seemed that you assumed I didn't understand Ace's plan (I did)); it was more out of principle. I'll explain why. In order to do this, it's best to look at the above quote from your post. I think you're flawed in what you're saying. "Scaramanga is not a newbie. He may have done this impulsively, yes, that is true. But this would totally conflict with every other part of this analysis." You're dead wrong here. I've played in two games with this guy, and I have come to the conclusion that there can be a no more impulsive player in this game. Quite frankly, he's an idiot. He's disrespectful, and, in my opinion, he has served nothing but as a waste of time in this past several games. He not once let me have a civil PM with him, mainly because of the way I decided to post in the thread (and also send out PMs to all). That was unacceptable. Everyone else, whether they were new or experienced, were not this rash, this impulsive. Simply put, I agree entirely with your analysis with the exception of this point. He is that impulsive. He is that stupid. He's played the game for so long, but he's still characterized in my book as a guy who is willing to be bend the rules to win (he was willing to check roles several games ago by logging into others accounts -- that to me is unexcusable). Therefore, my conscience, by principle, I had to say that he doesn't belong on that list. It would have been a disgrace to place him that. That's simply all. It was more of a passing point (and I guess a snipe at him, so I apologize). I'm not trying to take him off the spotlight; in fact, if it were up to me, he would be killed at the start of every game, so that his nuisance would not obstruct the integrity of the game. That, however, is unfeasible.

All I'm trying to do is question that which you consider to be rock solid. You're welcome. If people, in the expectation that there are irretrievably infallible, post their behavior analysis of every person they suspect to be mafia, and we follow through with those words, I'd be a little afraid. In fact, I'd get incredibly suspicious. You mentioned that you think I subtly try to cause confusion; no, I'm trying to make sure that we're not wrong, because, if that is not done, then we might as well just follow through with semioldguy's initial kill (simply use a random generator every day for lynching).

Edit:

Thank you for a useful post, redtooth! I've been waiting for one since about page 20!

Man you are so stupid,
For people who didnt play in BC's or in callers game game this guy was a nuisence, he added nothing but confusion in both threads just. All he posted where massive chunks of pointless colourd text where he acused everyone of being mafia. Particularly me
This is probably because he PMed EVERYONE asking what role they were and when i didn't tell him he labeled me as an "idiot and disrespectful" (he pmed me about 10 times asking me and in the end i told him to fuck off, btw i wasnt the only one who did this, there was about 5 other people that posted their pm conversations in the thread which were consisting of 0cz asking what role they have, them replying that they wont tell him and to stop pming them and 0cz replying with well thats suspicsious and rude)
And the worst thing is that you were a vet in bc's game and did NOTHING to help the town, you just confused everyone and when mafia saw that you were hindering they let you go
I dont respect you, you make the STUPIDEST decisions i have ever seen, i just see you for what you have been
Yeah im impulsive but as ace said i always seam to find out information, how do you think i do it? Why am i on that list and you arnt? rofl because your extreamly stupid

@ Everyone who is thinking of lynching me, go look at my post on the previous page and it explains everything
@ JL13 Why is it better for the town to waste a lynch on a green rather than on a better suspect

Edit: added more content
Loda talked about the fun counter, it's AdmiralBulldog on his natures prophet
rredtooth
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
5460 Posts
March 21 2009 02:56 GMT
#805
On March 21 2009 11:40 Scaramanga wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2009 08:22 0cz3c wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
Ver, I read your post. Some thoughts:

"Bodyguards are only drawn from green townies. Rationally speaking, it's plain stupid and a newbie move for a legit BG to come forth and privately tell the sheriff that he's a BG (no gain considerable risk). Scaramanga is not a newbie. He may have done this impulsively, yes, that is true. But this would totally conflict with every other part of this analysis. For Scara's side or not, there is another person who roleclaimed BG but I don't know who it is. This is a lot of evidence already, but oh yes there is more."

You also mentioned that I am a suspect for saying that he does not qualify as one of the twelve experienced members. It wasn't that I was trying to disqualify Ace's plan (that is to say, immediately after I had posted that, you responded, and it seemed that you assumed I didn't understand Ace's plan (I did)); it was more out of principle. I'll explain why. In order to do this, it's best to look at the above quote from your post. I think you're flawed in what you're saying. "Scaramanga is not a newbie. He may have done this impulsively, yes, that is true. But this would totally conflict with every other part of this analysis." You're dead wrong here. I've played in two games with this guy, and I have come to the conclusion that there can be a no more impulsive player in this game. Quite frankly, he's an idiot. He's disrespectful, and, in my opinion, he has served nothing but as a waste of time in this past several games. He not once let me have a civil PM with him, mainly because of the way I decided to post in the thread (and also send out PMs to all). That was unacceptable. Everyone else, whether they were new or experienced, were not this rash, this impulsive. Simply put, I agree entirely with your analysis with the exception of this point. He is that impulsive. He is that stupid. He's played the game for so long, but he's still characterized in my book as a guy who is willing to be bend the rules to win (he was willing to check roles several games ago by logging into others accounts -- that to me is unexcusable). Therefore, my conscience, by principle, I had to say that he doesn't belong on that list. It would have been a disgrace to place him that. That's simply all. It was more of a passing point (and I guess a snipe at him, so I apologize). I'm not trying to take him off the spotlight; in fact, if it were up to me, he would be killed at the start of every game, so that his nuisance would not obstruct the integrity of the game. That, however, is unfeasible.

All I'm trying to do is question that which you consider to be rock solid. You're welcome. If people, in the expectation that there are irretrievably infallible, post their behavior analysis of every person they suspect to be mafia, and we follow through with those words, I'd be a little afraid. In fact, I'd get incredibly suspicious. You mentioned that you think I subtly try to cause confusion; no, I'm trying to make sure that we're not wrong, because, if that is not done, then we might as well just follow through with semioldguy's initial kill (simply use a random generator every day for lynching).

Edit:

Thank you for a useful post, redtooth! I've been waiting for one since about page 20!

Man you are so stupid,
For people who didnt play in BC's or in callers game game this guy was a nuisence, he added nothing but confusion in both threads just. All he posted where massive chunks of pointless colourd text where he acused everyone of being mafia. Particularly me
This is probably because he PMed EVERYONE asking what role they were and when i didn't tell him he labeled me as an "idiot and disrespectful" (he pmed me about 10 times asking me and in the end i told him to fuck off)
And the worst thing is that you were a vet in bc's game and did NOTHING to help the town, you just confused everyone and when mafia saw that you were hindering they let you go
I dont respect you, you make the STUPIDEST decisions i have ever seen
Yeah im impulsive but as ace said i always seam to find out information, how do you think i do it?

@ Everyone who is thinking of lynching me, go look at my post on the previous page and it explains everything
@ JL13 Why is it better for the town to waste a lynch on a green rather than on a better suspect

you're not off the hook but i agree the majority of what you said. at least the first part.
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rredtooth
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
5460 Posts
March 21 2009 02:57 GMT
#806
btw. where the hell is chuiu. i want morning clues goddamit.
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Pyrrhuloxia
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States6700 Posts
March 21 2009 02:59 GMT
#807
I'm starting to get upset that the mafia gets an extra day to figure their shit out.
Scaramanga
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Australia8091 Posts
March 21 2009 03:12 GMT
#808
On March 21 2009 11:59 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
I'm starting to get upset that the mafia gets an extra day to figure their shit out.

Serously, wher are our clues rawr
Loda talked about the fun counter, it's AdmiralBulldog on his natures prophet
LucasWoJ
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States936 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-03-21 03:32:31
March 21 2009 03:23 GMT
#809
On March 20 2009 20:39 Ver wrote:

My suspect list (debate, analyze them people!):

Caller (Out of character behavior. Bandwagon voting babyhands because ace/i did? A bad campaign that got canceled? No other activity?)
Malongo (linked with Caller)
LucasWoJ (Disagrees with mrbabyhands to back up Mandalor)
0zc3c (subtly casts doubt . Subtly tries to keep Scaramanga from the spotlight)

Good luck. Hopefully I'm not dead, but precautions must be made in case.


Clearly my post in response to mrbabyhands was misunderstood, as I knew it would be because I was not very lucid in its composure.

I did not disagree with him at all. Please re-read it. I was simply pointing out that his method was very flawed and not necessarily in his best interest, as it might not be taken as seriously as it should be (by "it," I'm referring to his psychoanalysis. I was correct to that extent.) Based upon what he said, it's entirely feasible that Mandalor is mafia.

I was not backing up Mandalor, I was simply attacking mrbabyhand's METHOD (of the way he posted really)

I'm doing my best to monitor this game, and the only triggers that have gone off have surrounded mrbabyhands. I don't necessarily think he's mafia but those who seem brainwashed by some of his posts are either not contributing effectively or are mafia themselves. You happen to be on that list, Ver, and I've noticed that you've been using the excuse of "I'm hiking" or "I'm away for two days" quite often. As in the last-game-in-which-you-were-mafia, you appear to be doing far more in the background than you let on.


EDIT: In terms of questions regarding my activity, I had two exams over the past two days and could not quite follow the topic as well as I would have liked. I PM'd a few people concerning their rational for voting for whomever they voted for, but that was a couple days ago.
"Of all the words of mice and men, the saddest are it could have been." - Kurt Vonnegut
Qatol
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States3165 Posts
March 21 2009 04:01 GMT
#810
Lucas, I'm going to say this as neutrally as I can. Ver's activity is always spotty like that. He acted the exact same way during the game setup.
Uff Da
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
March 21 2009 04:02 GMT
#811
who did you PM?
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
LucasWoJ
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States936 Posts
March 21 2009 04:04 GMT
#812
Monoxide and Mandalor.
"Of all the words of mice and men, the saddest are it could have been." - Kurt Vonnegut
semioldguy
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
United States7488 Posts
March 21 2009 04:16 GMT
#813
What did they say?
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LucasWoJ
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States936 Posts
March 21 2009 04:26 GMT
#814
From: Monoxide
Subject: Re: mafia game
Date: 3/19/09 10:01
i like his clue analysis and i think there is a high chance that he is not mafia, thats a key part.

-----------------------------------------
Original Message:
Why are you voting for pyrhhoxulia?


[quote]I'm in a different timezone than you guys are. I just got up and will read it now

-----------------------------------------
Original Message:

Are you going to respond to what Mrbabyhands said?/quote]
"Of all the words of mice and men, the saddest are it could have been." - Kurt Vonnegut
Chuiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
3470 Posts
March 21 2009 04:33 GMT
#815
[image loading]


A new theater had opened up in Liquidia and no one but a few who stumbled upon it knew. Those few would have the time of their lives. For within this theater wasn't a movie or a comedy or music, it was a drama. Once everyone was seated the doors were shut, bolted, and the lights dimmed. Everyone waited in anticipation for the show to start. They waited. Nothing happened. A couple started looking up towards the projector room and didn't even see a light. They got up and started to leave, one by one everyone followed and then a few people walked out of the shadows.

The first person targeted was Camlito. He was walking toward one of the mafia asking for a refund. What he got was a punch to the face. Grabbing his eye in pain Camlito backed up and tried to get a good look at the person who struck him. It seemed like it was one of the theater attendants he saw on the way in but why would they hit him? He tried reasoning but another punch came instead, this time Camlito dodged and countered by shoving the man to the ground. Some articles fell from his pocket, torn ticket stubs, old popcorn, a dried up white flower; just trash he had picked up from the ground. He got up and more determined than ever tripped Camlito and grabbed him from the back of his head. He slammed Camlito into a chair several times. Camlito looked back and saw a glare in return and then his killer finished him off with a final crushing blow.

During the fight three more had broken out. Scaramanga was down towards the bottom of the theater not really fighting but avoiding a man who was taunting him with a knife. He went from seat to isle to seat to stairs trying to avoid the man with the knife. When finally he saw there was nothing blocking the far door between him and his assailant he decided to try his luck and shove through the man. He successfully pushed his way through and ran towards the door, though once he opened it a small explosion triggered at several places and the walls came caving down on Scaramanga.

Across from where Camlito had died Qatol was frozen still staring down a man dressed in black. He heard a clicking sound from the mans coat and was sure he was armed to the teeth, ready to shoot him any second. Well he inched his way back towards the seats while his would be killer stood a few rows up and waited. Once Qatol was close enough he decided to make a break for it, he ducked under the cover of the seats and started running towards Camlito's corpse; the area now vacant of any other mafia. He was halfway and didn't hear any gunshots so he looked up and saw the man jumping from seat to seat barely keeping his balance before he moved to the next one and slowly closing in. Qatol stood up and ran full speed now but it was too late, the man jumped down on him from behind and brought him to the ground. As they struggled Qatol saw a glint of metal and thinking it was a gun tried to push it away, but his hand wasn't pushing away something it was pushing in. The knife penetrated Qatols right hand and his killer was rocking it back and forth making the wound hurt more. Screaming in pain and losing his strength quickly Qatol had no chance of defending himself as the knife continued forth and penetrated his chest.

But then there was one left. Ver had been fighting off someone pathetic at fighting and what looked like a biker full of snake tattoos, crosses, and other shit he couldn't make out. They had both armed themselves with knives but Ver was only afraid of the biker. He disarmed the other mafia and armed himself with the knife but the biker didn't attack yet. What Ver thought was a pathetic person came back after his knife. Ver slashed at him and he almost took a nasty gash to one of his arms. He went in again and caught Ver's arm just as he attacked again, this time he pried the knife from Ver's hand and tossed it to the side. The man then jumped down to the next row of seats and grabbed Ver's other arm, he held him there like some prisoner chained to a wall while his accomplice did all the nasty work. Ver's major arteries were stabbed into and they left him there to bleed out and die.


Time to lynch someone! Cast your votes in this thread and remember that only you can prevent forest fires! A vote count will be done tomorrow and the day after before moving to night.

Also, the Sheriff has placed Ace in jail today.
♞
blue_arrow
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
1971 Posts
March 21 2009 04:38 GMT
#816
wow...
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Bockit
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Sydney2287 Posts
March 21 2009 04:41 GMT
#817
Just trying to recreate the kill lists, without even looking for clues, I think it might be safe to assume Ver used his vigi hit on scaramanga, and then mafia got 3 hits in

1)Qatol
2)Ver
3)Camlito

Either mafia stacked hits or the medics did well.
Their are four errors in this sentance.
Ver
Profile Joined October 2008
United States2186 Posts
March 21 2009 04:43 GMT
#818
Hoho I'm not surprised at my death but it looks like I owe Scara an apology. What a crazy string of coincidences -_-

Good luck everyone. The foundation has been laid.
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blue_arrow
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
1971 Posts
March 21 2009 04:48 GMT
#819
so ver took two hits, and 2 other ppl got protected by medics
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Camlito
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
Australia4040 Posts
March 21 2009 04:48 GMT
#820
For fuck sake
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