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On February 25 2009 21:51 Scaramanga wrote: ' Imo it makes it more like a proper game mafia from scratch, it just eliminates whats happened in previous games so we dont get the same old dt's check ace etc etc. So yeah you could tell ver from his posting or he could change it around or he'll get butraped, im saying we should do this because well there arnt too many vets playing this time around because they all get raped early on, e.g. plexa, caller, camilito, bloodyc0bbler, ace, ver, and a few others arnt playing this time around or are smurfing already Btw behavior analysis isnt solid, clue analysis is much more solid and this type of game puts more empysis on it just my view point, It actually sounds like a nice idea, since ideally there should be no info from previous games. | ||
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On February 28 2009 06:52 Night[Mare wrote: here we goooooooooo | ||
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On February 28 2009 15:52 Scooter wrote: I thought it meant Mafia in previous games, but I like your analysis. I completely disagree with you two, since from what ive read chuius clues point to 1 person at a time not mass people. (please correct me if im wrong). The closest i can think about this is RoL aka Monkeyspanker. | ||
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1- Veterans please use dyno to clean you NOW. You can confirm your role anytimewith him via extra vote but We wont have another santuary to protect them all at the same time so this is VETERANS free night. And you will have your extra life next nights, also you are going to win this game. 2- Mad Haters (yeah i remember you guys nobody calls you): Place your bombs tonight (theres no point in holding them and wasting a resource of the town) but place them on inactives and ASK DYNO before placing them (so they dont overlap) 3- DTs: PM your findings to dyno as soon as you have them and hopefully dyno will POST them assigned to a key number each roleclaimed DT (so we can have the info public so cluechecks dont overlap and at the same time having an eye on those "roleclaimed dts". 4- Dyno our loved captain: please ask random roleclaimed townies to vote in separate lists of people. We can easily extend our inner confirmed circle this way: example i assume there are at least 5 vets and all will be confirmed once the votes come via dyno. Dyno asks any number of them to cast the secret vote on X player (to confirm them vet and all them different players) and the other vote on a special list. Then asks X amount of players to vote in the special list. This way we will have a number of players confirmed clean (some vets) with others that want to get confirmed in a list. The best use for our checklists is not to get a 1 of 5 or so mafia BUT TO GET A NONMAFIA. Checklists are always suspect of the PE doing them anyways, so getting a clean list just leaves the PE to get confirmed. If you do this PLEASE make sure you do more than a list and a list with at least 1 vet inside and non the same role every player to confirm because this list will be highly risky to mafia later in the game. Having more than a list and a vet inside each list protects our next to confirm players from mafia. I vote to lynch inertinept and sanctuary for veterans but i will change my vote as soon if needed for a cleananse list. | ||
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On March 01 2009 11:05 fusionsdf wrote: 4 only works if you make a bunch of lists (i.e. tell everyone to vote the way you want) and role check one of those. Its also important that only dyno/cleared people know which list was checked, and who is confirmed. Otherwise mafia will just go after the checked list knowing that there is probably a bunch of blues, and we know they are innocent. Thats exactly the idea, making 3 or so small lists will force mafia to risk theyr game on those lists, theres no point in making checklists on large votes just to get as an example for this time: 2/35 mafia voted to lynch inertinept, LARGE LISTS ARE USELESS small lists accomplish: -force mafia to risk their votes if getting involved in small lists (since the people is pmd from a clean head to vote for a random guy) the head knows who was not pmd to vote the random guy=> high risk to mafia to get involved. -getting the most benefit for a votelist in the case they dont risk a mafia there: getting 6 or so more people clean for a votelist is HUGE FOR THE TOWN. I think there are already 5 players (vets) that will get clean as a start voting in separated single votelist with their secret vote. -force mafia to "guess" what are in those votelists, those players can be anything from puregreen to vets wasting mafia hits, to bombers or PE that already used their checklists (In the future lynchs). Moreover mafia doesnt know wich list will be clean or not so they dont know where to attack either. Thats why i ask to make this lists with a mix of players to get cleaned + 1 vet. -we force mafia to vote for the MOB because: they cant vote smalls lists (they are pmd people so again high risk if you vote for a small lists without getting pmd to do so), they cant abstain/not vote/vote for a single guy because they will be again high suspects. -Please dyno take note of this plan, this is largely the best way to use our checklists, as LTT pointed rolecheck are nonimportant compared to this: why to rolecheck a guy if i can get 6 guys clean inmediatly? why to checklist a large checklist that will contain at least 1 mafia? And also note that for the first day we can do this with at least 2 PE, since once they use the power they are single townies, mafia cant hit them so risk again to confirm the list. | ||
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On March 01 2009 11:29 3clipse wrote: Well most people are afraid to dissent lest they be labelled Mafia. I'm just trying to give things some second thought (though it's too late to vote it out now anyway). Anyone that even proposes not to do it (like you) or doesnt vote is a highly mafia suspect. Why wouldnt you want to protect the head that is already confirmed clean? why wouldnt you use the power before we start dying? jeez. | ||
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On March 01 2009 12:30 redtooth wrote: Rofl. Good luck with that. People, start switching your votes from inertinept to another list. Let's get a blue_arrow list started (he hasn't responded to our accusations and it's unlikely the vote will shift enough to get him killed). As mentioned before many times, large lists are absolutely useless. It would be much better to get multiple small lists and try to minimizethe number of people actually voting for inertinept. I change my vote to blue_arrow I highly suggest you either follow suit or get your own lists started. Don't make too many lists, however. ~8 people per list is fine IMO. Don't switch over too much so that inertinept ends up not getting killed. That would be terrible, especially considering we don't have vigilantes. I ask you not to do so unless you are pmd to do so. Random lists will give mafia the chance to hide there, small lists with pmd people are more valuable. | ||
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On March 01 2009 13:27 LTT wrote: The following is the list of those who have not sent their role: malongo inertinept Ra.Xor.2 aZnvaLiaNce Fishball motbob RebirthOfLeGenD Pyrrhuloxia triflejack pandabearguy HeRoS)Pink lakrismamma Phrujbaz fearus Teejing chaoser CynanMachae MasterOfChaos Night[Mare ulszz Athos d_so hey LTT i sent my pm to the captain long ago. Bolded people that is strangely silent in this game. | ||
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On March 01 2009 13:50 Pyrrhuloxia wrote: Lol how the fuck am I being silent I've posted a ton on this forum at every opportunity. Also how the fuck am I on that list I PMed Dyno. at least 6 hours ago and just PMed him again. Lol my bad i was bolding Rol just over you. He went silent after the day post. | ||
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On March 01 2009 14:36 d_so wrote: this is what doesnt make sense to me though: these extra votes are being put to no good use. we have an overwhelming majority for one lynch and all these votes are doing is showing how many vets we have. plus, we're wasting sanctuary because at this stage of the game it's impossible for mafia to know who the vets are. i ono man seems wasteful to me setting up an 8 people network that cant be killed this night, that are all confirmed townie side and will have an extra life for the rest of the game and mafia doesnt know who they are?????? WASTEFUL? are you kidding me? these extra votes are priceless, plus they can extra vote anytime they want. And you propose not to use santuary vet? santuary vet is the reason the vets can come to extra vote and reveal to dyno. | ||
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On March 01 2009 14:56 LTT wrote: Night lives... We aren't killing at night. An extra life doesn't prevent Veterans from being lynched once... this is nonsense how can backslash affect the ability that is not triggered? i mean the vets choose all to extra-vote not to gain the extra life. Ergo no mafia wins an extra life even this night. | ||
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By the way my username is M A L O N G O not molongo, malonge or other variations ok? | ||
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On March 02 2009 12:00 Pyrrhuloxia wrote: Dyno. hasn't PMed anyone yet though or even told us we all need to vote for inertinept until he sends it out so I don't think its totally suspicious but I will be keeping my vote on inertinept until I receive word from Dyno. Theres a reason why dyno. is silent. | ||
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Some notes: -Mafia didnt gave us the chance to do "smart" checklists, so i think we can posibly make one s "bad" checklist just to know how many mafia is hidding inside the town. -Bombers pay attention to dyno. Most probably bombing non insiders: redtooth Phrujbaz Caller motbob RebirthOfLeGenD CynanMachae chaoser blue_arrow triflejack -Please put the bombs tonight, if you die without the bomb then we will lost it. Backslash can be a problem, but mafia cant hit all the bombers tonight and this forces mafia to use the ability and the bombs can be replaced next day. -We need to start lynching non voters! they are mostly mafia they are 7 people LTT should come with an accurate list soon. weeeee. | ||
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On March 03 2009 02:17 redtooth wrote: I did vote for inertinept (I didn't agree with that decision but I did anyways). Malongo, the list you produced is almost absolutely useless. Why would mad hatters place bombs on people from that list? It holds no significance. And wtf is all this about "insiders"? There is NO way everybody not on that list has been confirmed of their role and your town circle is that large. If voting for inertinept deems you an "insider", we've pretty much already lost this game. 1 People that didn't vote for inertinept are justificed in their decision. Though they didn't get an order from dyno. to do so, 2- it helps the PE if he decides to votecheck. Think about it: a votecheck on the mainlist producing something like [6/45] are mafia from the inertinept votelist is essentially the same as producing [3/14] who didn't vote for inertinept are mafia. If we have everybody vote for inertinept then we'll get something like [9/59] are mafia - an absolutely USELESS statistic. What's all this nonsense about "dodging" a votecheck? You are going to be checked either way (the two choices being: (a) voting for inertinept or (b) not voting for inertinept). And a lot of people on malongo's list are active so I really have no idea what that list is supposed to mean, even less of a clue on why mad hatters should place a trap on them. 3-If anything, Mad Hatters should place a bomb on the people most likely to be hit (which is what they are SUPPOSED to do instead of listening to random lists like malongo's). LTT and Scaramanga come to mind as helpful people who would be targeted by mafia. Just listen to what dyno. tells you, not malongo. + Show Spoiler [proof that I voted for inertinept] + On March 02 2009 13:53 redtooth wrote: Alright, at the request of the others: I change my vote to inertinept Still stand by my statement that we should have many smaller lists, even if Dyno. doesn't directly order it. A votecheck on the main list is absolutely useless. There is no way we could sift through all of the ~50 people who will vote for inertinept. edit: Few formatting errors using UBB code. No content changed. Just LOL stop capek. 1-How can be them justified? give me one advantage to put your vote in a single person list and i can agree. Theres no one!!! 2-How can a single person votecheck help the PE? just better do a rolecheck instead. 3-LOL wut??? i better bomb a suspicious player and get a townie rather than losing the bomb this is nonsense muahahahah. Please seriously place bombs on people that will die to mafia? AHAHAHAHAHAHA 4-Yes i agree dont worry too much abut me, dyno. and friends is the way to go. 5-Why did you change your vote after the votecount was closed, is this a joke???? The more you argue against me the more suspicious you get bro, just live with it. This single post from you prove that my list wasnt useless. On March 03 2009 08:00 MasterOfChaos wrote: I agree with redtooth that multiple smaller lists are better for votechecks. On the other hand if almosts all players vote for the same suspect, the real rolecheck is on the people who didn't vote, as one can deduce the numbe of mafia from the total number of players and mafia, and the number of mafia who voted for the suspect. Thats the point. With no smaller votelist why some pleople were afraid to go in the big list and spread their votes in single lists? afaik we cant checklist people who didnt vote. In a perfect townie coordination every townie had to vote inertinept and get the info form there. Thats why i stated that townies voting in sinlge lists are dumb, they are looking suspicious. | ||
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On March 03 2009 13:30 Chuiu wrote: Now lets all play nice and pretend like this thread never happened. first! | ||
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On March 03 2009 13:53 Chuiu wrote: Invincibility is only for one night and only for one set of roles. It can't be used on the same roles every night and can only be used 3 nights total. Its not very overpowering at all especially when mafia can get a double kill night. I dont think sanctuary is overpowered in fact can be pretty useless compared to double kill. The only imbalance is to have a rol that can roleclaim AND confirm first morning. | ||
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On March 03 2009 19:48 pandabearguy wrote: Private communcation between players that aren't mafia breaks the game. Roleclaims need to be done in the open for the mafia to have any chance. fun game though. no if there are no confirmed roles. In fact its always mafia that take advantage of private communication. | ||
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On March 03 2009 20:38 Dyno. wrote: ...and loses anyway because private town communication is so broken? I meant that normally mafia infiltrates the town private communication easily when there is no confirmed townie. There it ends being broken, you cant pm your role easily. Theres no way to stop it anyways. | ||
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