EPTAre there any rules to enforce faster playing than last time? It got quite boring at some points when mafia failed to send in their hit list for a couple of days.
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Are there any rules to enforce faster playing than last time? It got quite boring at some points when mafia failed to send in their hit list for a couple of days. | ||
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 On November 01 2008 14:47 Empyrean wrote: Let's just get started once the new thread opens up, then we can put all our discussion in there. No point in doing it in two threads when it'd just get more and more confusing. Anyway, yeah, I'm townie and I have a bunch of suggestions/plans/etc. Will there be a new thread? The first three posts make it look like the game's gonna take place in here. | ||
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On November 02 2008 16:40 Alventenie wrote: I kind of wish i could talk to the dead. Because if i could, I would ask if Chuiu if his coffee was decaf or regular, and if he was a vegetarian or not. Yeah, take a look at decafchicken. I can't read much out of this set of clues (yet), but this is the first thing that springs to mind. Why else would Chuiu's last meal be mentioned if it wasn't a clue? Don't take this as me pointing the finger, I'm just trying to get the discussion started. Let's see what other people come up with. | ||
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Decaf also seems like a prime candidate - almost given to us on a plate as was queasy last game. Perhaps it's better to keep his lynch for later when we have no idea what do to as killing him down doesn't hurt the mafia at all. I don't get that logic. Why would you rather take risks than kill a mafia when you can? Suppose we go by that strategy and lynch a townie today, and then find another mafia tomorrow. Had we killed the first sure mafia today, we could lynch the second mafia tomorrow and reduce killing power without using up any power roles. Plus, as time passes and more information is revealed, it gets less and less likely that we don't know what to do. Not saying decaf is that sure mafia at this point, obviously. | ||
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On November 03 2008 07:52 fanatacist wrote: On the contrary, Chuiu always said that when the information he has is limited about a member, the clues get more obvious. Hence, weird names and lacking profiles are easy ways to actually catch a mafia. May I remind you that KF91 was the penultimate mafia alive last game? | ||
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On November 03 2008 12:48 Folca wrote: Will you finally point out those faults?He (Ace) is the mafia... There is corruption in his strategies, look over them, and analyze them very carefully.. Ok, we have three possible cases: Folca -> omgwtfidiot Folca -> Kill Ace obviously. Folca -> Kill Ace anyway, because he might still be mafia. Folca wouldn't sacrifice himself just to kill Ace as he could do that with his normal murdering ability without revealing himself. The reasons why a mafia would false-claim would either be confusion (worth far less than a mafia life i think) or trying to install another mafia as a trustworthy person (likely). At the moment, Folca seems most likely to me, so I say we let him live another day. Mafia will not kill him tonight, so we get another detective ability out of him if he is indeed blue. We must kill him tomorrow though. If he is mafia, well, then he lives one day longer than he should, so what. In the mean time, I'd kill someone unrelated to pass the time. I therefore vote to lynch decafchicken | ||
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On November 03 2008 18:15 Plexa wrote: If folca was red - think of the confusion and chaos this has caused up. The plans we were talking about before are all fucked up. That HAS to be to the benefit of the mafia (whether it was intentional or not) Well yes: confusion + Ace + wasted lynch or vigi > 1 mafia. | ||
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Then one person stood atop the gallows embracing the moment he cried out to the town "We can trust no mayor, no governor, no authority this day or the next. We must unite to take care of the problem ourselves. Mafia if you hear me then tremble because we are united in our cause and will strike with cruel precision to drive you from our town." ...could be said by a fanatic militant supporter of self-administered justice, if you wanna fit a clue to him | ||
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On November 03 2008 23:37 Ace wrote: He isn't useful if he's mafia, but very useful if he is a detective. We have no way of knowing which is the case, but he could be a detective, so he could be valuable.how the hell is Folca useful if he's mafia? None of you can tell me WHY you believe Folca is a legit DT. Have you a found a clue that points to me? That leader type dude who holds the speech could relate to you. By the way, there is no clue evidence against Folca yet.Have you found out a way to see if Folca is legit? no Correct, but the possibility makes him precious already. Having a DT (who can even be told publicly what to do) one day outhweighs having a mafia alive one day longer in my opinion.And logic dictates that if anyone steps up as a DT and accuses someone and their validity can't be proven then they get lynched because otherwise mafia will always fake claim DT with no consequence. I agree, but I say we do it tomorrow.You guys are making no sense and you know it. It's like no matter what the best possible move is the plan is to lynch decaf. Due to lack of alternatives, yes, decaf seems to be our best bet atm, although he is far from 100% mafia. | ||
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Tomorrow, nothing will have changed about Folca's credibility, so we will dispose of him tomorrow (unless the mafia does that for us, which I doubt). But he will have revealed valuable information by then if he is a detective. If not, we gain the same information from his death as if we'd lynched him today, only it is delayed by one day. It's all a tradeoff between risks and rewards. Don't you care at all whether we use up a potential detective? They don't grow on trees, y'know. Folca has to die, but we should at the very least get some use out of him before that. The suicide bomber doesn't worry me at all. Poll: What to do? (Vote): Lynch Folca today (Vote): Lynch Folca tomorrow (Vote): Don't lynch Folca at all | ||
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Well, at least we know what to do tomorrow. | ||
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On November 05 2008 21:29 Mandalor wrote: I was thinking of a different plan. The DTs could check random townies and pm them their role. Once there is mutual trust, DTs can send their list check findings to that townie to secure the lists (otherwise once a silent DT is dead, all his findings would fade into oblivion since he's not allowed to talk when he's dead). Also the DT and the townie can defend each other if suspicion is (falsely) raised because of a clue that might be linked to them. None of them should speak about it in public at first, but if the DT dies and the time is right, the townie can publish the lists. Mafia might try to fake a DT, but they would have to be super lucky to guess right. Picking a random non-mafia and guessing they are vanilla townie will work with a probability of 61%. Your plan blows. | ||
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I hope the next batch of clues will be written in prose.Ok, let me suggest a possible course of action for today. We're gonna vote to lynch someone based on the clues. During the night, Ace and a second suspect (perhaps the guy with the second most lynching votes) are to be slain by vigilantes. If all three vigilantes select at random from among Ace and the second dude, we have a chance of 87.5% of Ace dying, and 75% that both die. If I didn't miscalculate, that is. As you know, no vigi hits are wasted, as the second hit on the same target is cancelled anyway. Is this a good way to go? | ||
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On November 07 2008 03:30 MTF wrote: "inflated Caller into inextricable" Insulted, Individual saw Caller's criticism as open revolt and [killed Caller*] in an impossibly complex way. *the inflated is literally the only thing that doesn't make sense in this sentence To inflate = to blow up, perhaps using explosives? Just a thought. | ||
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His quote "It's time to acknowledge the inevitable. Stifle your pride and embrace the glory of change." - Volrath Ishnikar, the Faithless General fits in with the clues of the first day. Team Micro Melee: Macro - FE -> Nukes Could fit the Nefarious Neighbor who uses nukes too. Always ready to try out the strangest builds conceivable Could be connected to day 2's Individual. And I'm sure you could also find something for him being/having a gladius if you want. Please note that these connections are all utter crap and my vote might easily change if someone finds something better. | ||
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On November 07 2008 07:14 fusionsdf wrote: scorch, if you feel thats a strong suspect, its beter to vigi and save the lynch for ace so far our vigi list is (this might have to be culled, if some of the suspects aren't worth potentially wasting a hit) -decaf -midnightgladius in the mean time I would ask you to vote according to nightmares list (if we only have two lists, each detective knows not only the result of the list they checked, but also the results of the other list by process of elimination. But the more people who abstain/ or vote against the list, the harder it is for DTs, and the less info they gain from the list check.) Alright, I'm gonna change my vote from MidnightGladius to Ace. Now that was fast, wasn't it? Nightmare's list looked different when I started writing my post. I was still allowed to vote for suspect #2 then. | ||
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On November 08 2008 15:06 Chuiu wrote: ![[image loading]](http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n99/chuiu/TLnight.png) [noClueArea] I think everyone saw this coming. Right, Ace? Surprise, surprise. And now what? Should vigis act and murder somebody? How many? Who should be the target? If we kill someone at all, the smartest thing for me would be to have two targets, from among which each of our three vigilantes selects one at random. This would yield a 75% chance of both targets dying. The question remains who the top suspects are. I took the liberty of suggesting decafchicken and MidnightGladius here, but that is subject to change. The question here is mainly how many people should be targeted. Poll: What should the vigilantes do tonight? (Vote): Kill nobody (Vote): Kill one (decaf?) (Vote): Kill two (decaf & Midnight?) | ||
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On November 07 2008 07:01 Scorch wrote: I hereby vote to lynch MidnightGladius. His quote "It's time to acknowledge the inevitable. Stifle your pride and embrace the glory of change." - Volrath Ishnikar, the Faithless General fits in with the clues of the first day. Team Micro Melee: Macro - FE -> Nukes Could fit the Nefarious Neighbor who uses nukes too. Always ready to try out the strangest builds conceivable Could be connected to day 2's Individual. And I'm sure you could also find something for him being/having a gladius if you want. Please note that these connections are all utter crap and my vote might easily change if someone finds something better. There you go. It's all weak stuff, but I don't have anyone better to offer. | ||
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Being on the defensive blows; I don't think I can say anything that can't be used against me. Well, I'll have to let my behavior speak for myself. So here goes: _________________________________________________________ I vote to lynch KH1031, and I strongly encourage you to do the same. If we get this right, we can reduce killing power for the upcoming night. On November 06 2008 14:44 bumatlarge wrote: http://img440.imageshack.us/my.php?image=tlmafiare0.png (screw that here is the link) Tis an unlucky day for mafia? I got this PM from Ace, and, as it obviously entails, I think KH is mafia. This could be an elaborate scheme to kill 2 townies, but it honestly looks like a mistaken PM. Why wouldn't Ace just include more names for the hell of it? And of course I need to die, but I was meant to die the moment Ace sent this PM. Fate? Green for Red. THIS IS HOW YOU DO IT FOLCA! Ace virtually gave away KH1031 as mafia in a PM to bumatlarge (by accident?). Now that bumatlarge has been revealed as a townie, we can be sure that the screenshot of the PM is legit. KH1031 is thus most likely mafia. The only way KH can be innocent is if all of this is an elaborate mafia ploy, which I find quite unlikely. _________________________________________________________ Furthermore, I'd like to direct your attention towards this: On November 09 2008 06:28 Mynock wrote: Alright people, listen up: I've got information from a detective regarding the last vote tally, and it seems that out of the people who voted for decafchicken, 2 are mafia. Another person should soon confirm the same message. Now, we obviously can't be 100% that the information is correct, but I think it's somewhat safe to assume it is, since role-claiming, especially an important role like a DT, would be a pretty stupid move by mafia. That would be ZBiR Artanis[Xp] HeRoS)Pink Lenwe BloodyC0bbler So we have a great 2 mafia out of 5 (40%):
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On November 09 2008 21:08 KH1031 wrote: Although you're blatantly trying to accuse me so that the attention would be redirected, I will try to stay objective on your logic analysis. It's not me who originally accused you. That was bumatlarge, who was a townie. Furthermore, desperate blatant attention redirection is not my objective, as I'm not a top suspect facing his immeadiate death (yet?). I'm just pointing out the best lead we have at hand: the objective fact that Ace admitted you are mafia. Fact: After bumatlarge revealed the PM Ace "accidentally" sent him in, he died in the following night (Night 2). In the screenshot of the PM it was specifically mentioned that bumatlarge would die in Night 2, and KH1031 is implied to be the mafia in the PM. The way I see it, there are a couple possibilities: 1.KH1031 is a mafia, and the mafias killed bumatlarge. 2.KH1031 is a mafia, and some vigilante killed bumatlarge. 3. KH1031/KH1031 is not a mafia, and the mafias decided to kill bumatlarge. 4. KH1031/KH1031 is not a mafia, and some vigilante killed bumatlarge. You're saying that the only way KH1031 is innocent is that this is some sort of elaborate mafia ploy. However, what you failed to include is the possibility of a vigilante responsible for the death of bumatlarge. What bumatlarge did was dumb enough that made him suspicious - which is reasonable for vigilantes to target him. I don't think bumatlarge was vigi'd. There were better targets than him. Yes, it is possible that bumatlarge was killed by a vigilante, but that doesn't change anything if you think about it. The fact remains that Ace (accidentally?) said that KH1031 is mafia. While it might be a mafia plan, Ace did undoubtedly say it, no matter whether bumatlarge was mafia'd or vigi'd. Ace is a good player and probably capable of devising such a plan, but I don't think that's the case here. If somehow I die today/tonight and turns out to be non-mafia, I would suggest people to look into your post again. Be my guest. Little of my post is personal interpretation. In large part it is pointing out hard facts. | ||
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[wild speculation] So let's suppose Ace wrote the PM to bumatlarge by accident. How'd he go about writing a PM? He'd probably select the receiver's name from the buddy list. Now suppose Ace misclicked and selected bumatlarge, when originally he intended someone else, perhaps a mafia very near to bumatlarge's name on the list. How is the buddy list (the drop-down box when writing a PM) ordered? Alphabetically? In the order of when friends were added? My own friend list contains only 5 people and is not representative, however in my case (maybe by coincidence!), the order is as follows: user names beginning with a capital letter sorted alpabetically, then lower-case letters ordered alpabetically: A B C ... Z a b c ... z. I don't know where numbers and special characters belong. So if names are ordered the way I think, who could be reasonably near to bumatlarge in the buddy list? XCetron Yogurt ZBiR (~OpZ~ depending on how special characters are ordered) ([GiTM]Ace depending on how special characters are ordered) araav aZnvaLiaNce clazziquai decafchicken IF KH1031 turns out to be mafia, it is safe to assume that Ace's PM to bumatlarge was in fact an accident. Then Ace selected the receiver's name from the Buddy List. You don't manually type in the wrong name by accident. IF the names are ordered the way I think (Someone please confirm!) IF Ace has all fellow mafias on his list (very likely) Then he PROBABLY intended to select someone from among the list above Which means that (at least) one of them is mafia. [/wild speculation] A lot of insecure stuff and little reasonable information, but it's better than nothing. It might be helpful later on. EDIT: The more I think about it, the more unreliable this appears. Just disregard this post. | ||
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On November 09 2008 21:47 KH1031 wrote: It seems like your argument hinges on the "fact" that Ace mentioned KH1031 in his PM to bumatlarge, and he was subsequently killed. I don't know what do you consider to constitute a fact. How about Ace (purposely?) said that KH1031/KH1031 is a mafia? Is that a fact to you as well? It is a FACT that Ace wrote the PM in which you are incriminated. It is a FACT that this COULD BE no "accident" after all and you might be innocent. I do THINK it was an accident though, so I voted for you. Only the third line is a matter of personal interpretation. What's not to understand? | ||
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On November 09 2008 22:32 ZBiR wrote: But notice that Ace wrote: it looks like he's replying to someone, no? Then if he's replying, where is the original message? And when you reply, you don't choose recipient from buddy list or whatever, he's already selected. That's why I think it's forged, in addition to the fact that Ace would make such mistake by accident. And killing bumatlarge was only supposed to lure us into his trap. That is a very valid point and kinda makes an ass out of me. Bah. Screw it, I have to do some university work anyway. Grmbl. PS: I no longer vote for KH1031 and abstain instead. | ||
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Don't make a mistake by lynching me. I'm an innocent townie. I'm very active and try to be constructive and helpful. (Just like in the last game btw, I was townie there too.) There are other suspects who can't say that. Please lynch those before me, and see whether more fire clues come up in the meantime. When in doubt, leave the talkative guy alive and kill the silent one instead, who wouldn't be useful even if he was a townie. I can offer to vote for someone that noone else votes for, so that detectives can easily check that list without wasting a role check on me. If someone else has an idea how I can clear my name, please tell me. | ||
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On November 07 2008 07:01 Scorch wrote: I hereby vote to lynch MidnightGladius. His quote "It's time to acknowledge the inevitable. Stifle your pride and embrace the glory of change." - Volrath Ishnikar, the Faithless General fits in with the clues of the first day. Team Micro Melee: Macro - FE -> Nukes Could fit the Nefarious Neighbor who uses nukes too. Always ready to try out the strangest builds conceivable Could be connected to day 2's Individual. And I'm sure you could also find something for him being/having a gladius if you want. As for Day 3 clues, just look up 2 posts Good night now. I hope I'll still be alive when I return. Otherwise, good luck town! | ||
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## I vote for wurm | ||
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On November 11 2008 19:58 araav wrote: 27. Ace 28. MidnightGladius this makes me a bit pessimistic that MG would also be red Why? The roles being selected at random doesn't mean the same role can't occur twice for adjacent players. When you play roulette, it's not always black-red-black-red either. | ||
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Should we carry on by investigating the 2/5 list now, which was verified by mikeymoo?
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I vote to lynch ZBiR because he's on the 2/5 list, plays strangely, doesn't contribute much and I have no better suspect. | ||
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On November 13 2008 07:12 ZBiR wrote: So, uhm... what is it exactly against me? That I was AFK for some time? The fact that I tend to oppose people I consider fools? (shall be obvious who am I referring to) Or maybe it's that me = bandit (well, more like thug, but w/e), and SOME MAFIA DID ACT LIKE A BANDIT?! Oh noes, who would've thought they're gonna attack people and shit... Yeah, lynch me, then lynch a blue you don't have a clue about, then get owned after 4/10 of the mafia were handed to you. GL Thanks JeeJee  This is not a good defense. Try to be more constructive, for failing to do so is part of why people are willing to lynch you. Present us an alternative with a good reasoning, and you shall live. | ||
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On November 13 2008 17:20 araav wrote: Poll: Whom should a vigi kill this night? (Vote): Plexa (Vote): 2nd most voted guy (Vote): Lenwe (Vote): other (specify, or else!) Noone at all. We don't even have a really strong candidate for the lynch, much less a second one that needs to be killed. Better assassinate someone tomorrow when we might have suspects again. | ||
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Far behind Mynocks house Yogurt and Mandalor went clue hunting. They spotted a set of foot prints, which perked their curiosity since only one mafia was at the scene of the crime. Following the set downhill they came across two individuals. One mafia consisting of two individuals, thus two footprints. | ||
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[Wikipedia] Potassium fluoride is the chemical compound with the formula KF. KF is poisonous, although lethal doses approach gram levels for humans. It is harmful by inhalation and ingestion, highly corrosive and skin contact may cause severe burns. Day 2: Aroused, anonymous attacked actively accusing an abrasion abhorrent and animating. Anemic and asthmatic Empyrean assuredly after all'ed. Sounds like he was poisoned over the wound.Day 3: Yogurt tripped his opponent and went to grab him on the ground except his hand was burned by his opponent. Clutching it in pain his defense was down and he paid greatly for it. KF causes severe burns when touched.Day 4: Bockit was quickly restrained and found his opponent wrapping something around his neck and tightening it, causing him to lose his breath. Bockit struggled all he could but eventually suffocated to death. KF is harmful by inhalation. Though this might have been a plain old choke hold, so perhaps this is no clue.Looking down he saw that the battery wire was loose almost as if it had been tugged off the connector from a weird angel. KF91's quote: "That was weird"Cracking a needle on the ground his opponent walked toward G.s)NarutO and gave him an uppercut sending him flying backward landing on the ground. Just before he could get up he felt the stab of the unshattered needle in his skin and fell unconscious. G.s)NarutO died shortly after when injected by several more of his needles. Could it be that the murderer injected venomous KF using Naruto's syringes?Can we make something out of this? Maybe I'm just thinking too far. + KF91 doesn't vote or talk + It must be kinda hard to tie reasonable clues to a name like KF91 - No clues against him on Day 5 | ||
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## I vote for MTF however for his turtle pic. It is obvious that one of the remaining mafia is defensive/cautious/armored/indestructible/coward. | ||
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Or is it? Is it? On November 17 2008 16:19 Plexa New Zealand. November 17 2008 16:19. Posts 9001 wrote: Told you Scorch  At no point did I vote for KF91 anyway Your post count of oover niine thouusaaand doesn't change anything :D | ||
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On November 10 2008 17:20 Scorch wrote: I'm going to vote for someone random, so my vote list can be checked by a detective and I can hopefully clear my name: ## I vote for wurm On November 10 2008 20:22 wurm wrote: lol.. random indeed. LOL | ||
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