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On November 09 2008 07:34 Chezinu wrote:What does #1 Sea.Really Fan | mean to you then? OK, since you won't say, I'll explain want I thought it means. Sea.Really is a starcraft player and you are claiming to be his number one fan + Show Spoiler +
lol no shit Sea.Really is a starcraft player and my favorite.
But come on, nuke? That's a little vague. Sure he's Terran, but it would be stronger if my sig said something like "#1 Boxer fan" or something because Boxer is the one known for nuking players, yeah?
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On November 09 2008 06:53 Mandalor wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2008 06:28 Mynock wrote:Alright people, listen up: I've got information from a detective regarding the last vote tally, and it seems that out of the people who voted for decafchicken, 2 are mafia. Another person should soon confirm the same message. Now, we obviously can't be 100% that the information is correct, but I think it's somewhat safe to assume it is, since role-claiming, especially an important role like a DT, would be a pretty stupid move by mafia. I'm somewhat busy atm, so I will post more later (including some psychoanalysis of Ace's posts  ). Why don't you stick to the plan? This is a stupid move, seriously. 1. The 2/7 list alone doesn't help. We need more lists to compare that with and more clues to nail the mafia on the list with. 2. You're drawing a huge crosshair on your chest. No matter if the information is correct or not, you will most likely die soon. Mafia will kill you soon because a) they will try to prevent us from spreading dt information or b) it will make the list check look legit if it was a mafioso who pmed you. If you die (and you're going to die), this is bad news for the town, because at this point we cannot verify if your information is correct and the dt will not be able to pm you additional information. I'm going to post the plan once again since it seems like some people didn't bother reading it: 1. If you're a detective or a jack- If you feel like you want to check a suspicious player and he turns out to be townie, pm him his and your role and any list checks you did. If you're in contact with another townie, also tell the 2 each other's names and roles. Don't pull a folca and publish the list checks yourself unless everybody you're in contact with is dead and you have a reasonable amount of information. 2. If you're a townie who received a pm by a detective/jack- Don't say anything. There is no reason for you to believe the information is valid. Only publish it if the detective died and turns out to be blue. This was a dumb move, Mynock, or some mafia ploy I cannot grasp right now. Show nested quote +On November 09 2008 06:28 Mynock wrote:
Another person should soon confirm the same message.
Other person if you read this: Please don't.
its best for us to keep mynock alive as long as possible without following his advice until after he dies (unless it makes sense to for another reason, like clues)
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On November 09 2008 07:46 Chezinu wrote:
Don't worry I always look like a suspect - which is why I was tked last game
you arent tked because you are a suspect, you are tked because you are useless at this game
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On November 09 2008 07:50 fusionsdf wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2008 07:46 Chezinu wrote:
Don't worry I always look like a suspect - which is why I was tked last game you arent tked because you are a suspect, you are tked because you are useless at this game
Well, I would like to say that the person who killed me last game ended up only killing greens and then became a monk until he was later murder by mafia
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sorry not a part of the game and haven't read all 69 pages but...
Can someone tell me why you would vote for Folca (said to be detective) to be killed before Ace (said to be mafia)?
Logically speaking, it doesn't make much sense if you think about it; either way, a mafioso will be killed, but you'll have your "Detective" for at least another day.
Did Ace spin it or something?
Or did someone think that they could be both mafia and trying to string along the town? <-- though this seems a little convoluted.
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On November 09 2008 08:03 Spike wrote:
sorry not a part of the game and haven't read all 69 pages but...
Can someone tell me why you would vote for Folca (said to be detective) to be killed before Ace (said to be mafia)?
Logically speaking, it doesn't make much sense if you think about it; either way, a mafioso will be killed, but you'll have your "Detective" for at least another day.
Did Ace spin it or something?
Or did someone think that they could be both mafia and trying to string along the town? <-- though this seems a little convoluted.
Because if Folca was legitimately a dt then he was dead that night anyway. If Folca flipped blue then we have lost nothing cos he would have died. If he flipped red then Ace looks a little better.
If we lynched Ace, could have been an important blue, could have been mafia, could have been green. Less loss by killing Folca imo.
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On November 09 2008 08:07 Bockit wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2008 08:03 Spike wrote:
sorry not a part of the game and haven't read all 69 pages but...
Can someone tell me why you would vote for Folca (said to be detective) to be killed before Ace (said to be mafia)?
Logically speaking, it doesn't make much sense if you think about it; either way, a mafioso will be killed, but you'll have your "Detective" for at least another day.
Did Ace spin it or something?
Or did someone think that they could be both mafia and trying to string along the town? <-- though this seems a little convoluted. Because if Folca was legitimately a dt then he was dead that night anyway. If Folca flipped blue then we have lost nothing cos he would have died. If he flipped red then Ace looks a little better. If we lynched Ace, could have been an important blue, could have been mafia, could have been green. Less loss by killing Folca imo.
It's backwards logic like this that's fucking us over right now.
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On November 06 2008 15:07 Chuiu wrote:
Indifference innovated ingenious individual to invent initiative. Instinctively individual intervened impetuously in Caller inflicting insult and injury. Irrationally irritated Caller insisted in improvement. Insulted, individual interpreted as insurrection and inflated Caller into inextricable.
I think individual could be Chezinu.
his profile:
+ Show Spoiler +Living in a town of crime, a peculiar man mechanically walks the streets with his cyborg legs. The man carries to what appears to be a flux capacitor embedded within the skin of his chest. There are rumors that this freak of science left his hometown in ashes. However, No one alive has ever witness any signs of explosive behavior. When he isn't walking the streets, he can often be found tinkering in his rusty shed, especially during the late hours of the night. Children within the town often tell stories of the man as a mad scientist who has a secret underground laboratory under his shed. The adults in the town, just as curious as the children, wonder whether the man is for labors for good of society or for selfish desires.
the word invent links to how he tinkers in his rusty shed.
inflated - as noted previously in the thread- could represent an explosion. The key part of Chezinu's profile is that No One Alive has seem his explosive behavior.
+ Show Spoiler +I don't think Chezinu is mafia
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On November 09 2008 07:48 fusionsdf wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2008 06:53 Mandalor wrote:On November 09 2008 06:28 Mynock wrote:Alright people, listen up: I've got information from a detective regarding the last vote tally, and it seems that out of the people who voted for decafchicken, 2 are mafia. Another person should soon confirm the same message. Now, we obviously can't be 100% that the information is correct, but I think it's somewhat safe to assume it is, since role-claiming, especially an important role like a DT, would be a pretty stupid move by mafia. I'm somewhat busy atm, so I will post more later (including some psychoanalysis of Ace's posts ). Why don't you stick to the plan? This is a stupid move, seriously. 1. The 2/7 list alone doesn't help. We need more lists to compare that with and more clues to nail the mafia on the list with. 2. You're drawing a huge crosshair on your chest. No matter if the information is correct or not, you will most likely die soon. Mafia will kill you soon because a) they will try to prevent us from spreading dt information or b) it will make the list check look legit if it was a mafioso who pmed you. If you die (and you're going to die), this is bad news for the town, because at this point we cannot verify if your information is correct and the dt will not be able to pm you additional information. I'm going to post the plan once again since it seems like some people didn't bother reading it: 1. If you're a detective or a jack- If you feel like you want to check a suspicious player and he turns out to be townie, pm him his and your role and any list checks you did. If you're in contact with another townie, also tell the 2 each other's names and roles. Don't pull a folca and publish the list checks yourself unless everybody you're in contact with is dead and you have a reasonable amount of information. 2. If you're a townie who received a pm by a detective/jack- Don't say anything. There is no reason for you to believe the information is valid. Only publish it if the detective died and turns out to be blue. This was a dumb move, Mynock, or some mafia ploy I cannot grasp right now. On November 09 2008 06:28 Mynock wrote:
Another person should soon confirm the same message.
Other person if you read this: Please don't. its best for us to keep mynock alive as long as possible without following his advice until after he dies (unless it makes sense to for another reason, like clues)
If there is another person, they SHOULD post considering it would further enhance Mynock's validity, no?
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I did this so that we avoid another Folca.
There is no reason for me to hide the information, nor for the other guy who the supposed DT PMed to withhold it either. The DT did not do a role-check, and that is why we should both confirm. The DT also made a pretty blunt move by doing this leap of faith, but once he did, there is no turning back. I would have preferred him to stay still and wait it out a little bit, but since he did come out to 2 of us, I want to save his skin over mine.
While it saddens me you'd think I haven't considered the possibilities, I hereby assure you that I have indeed. Let it go, and consider the current situation. The more information we have, the better. Just make sure not to take any info for 100% true.
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Everything you say sounds illogical. The information you gave us is of no value as we can't prove it's legit.
It saddens me to think you're of the opinion you didn't have any other possibilities. How exactly do you think you saved his life? As long as he doesn't speak about his findings in public, he's safe. All we have gained from this is some information with questionable background and a soon to be dead townie. If you followed the plan we wouldn't have the information NOW, but at a later point with 100% credibility which is worth a lot more.
So, once again: Please keep the information to yourself up to the point when you know the dt you got it from is legit.
Mynock could you answer one question please? Did the DT say sth like "I will publish the information soon if you don't do it" or sth along the lines of talking you into this move?
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On November 09 2008 08:46 mikeymoo wrote:
If there is another person, they SHOULD post considering it would further enhance Mynock's validity, no?
No. Mynock's validity is unimportant. I'd actually go as far as saying it is certain he's townie, or mafia is borderline insane. The problem is that we don't know if his information is legit.
EDIT: This goes out to the detectives and jacks. I can only encourage you to use your role checks. You will never get to a point where a role check seems 100% appropriate and if it is (like in Ace's case), the town will eventually find out anyway.
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On November 09 2008 08:16 Amber[LighT] wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2008 08:07 Bockit wrote:On November 09 2008 08:03 Spike wrote:
sorry not a part of the game and haven't read all 69 pages but...
Can someone tell me why you would vote for Folca (said to be detective) to be killed before Ace (said to be mafia)?
Logically speaking, it doesn't make much sense if you think about it; either way, a mafioso will be killed, but you'll have your "Detective" for at least another day.
Did Ace spin it or something?
Or did someone think that they could be both mafia and trying to string along the town? <-- though this seems a little convoluted. Because if Folca was legitimately a dt then he was dead that night anyway. If Folca flipped blue then we have lost nothing cos he would have died. If he flipped red then Ace looks a little better. If we lynched Ace, could have been an important blue, could have been mafia, could have been green. Less loss by killing Folca imo. It's backwards logic like this that's fucking us over right now.
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DO NOT TAKE THIS AS ANYTHING MAFIA LIKE!
I was not kidding when I said this: Bockit makes more sense than any of you. Why the hell would you believe anyone that claims DT on day 1? The reason the town has been fucking up is because of GREED over LOGIC.Think damn it :/
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Mandalor: Sure, he did say that. And that was not what made me do it. He PMed two people based on pretty much a guess (he had no time to role check us anyway), and I know he hit at least 1 townie. What we have from all of this is information. Nothing more, nothing less.
Now let me ask you a question: what is it that makes you think I have now become a target? If anything, I am now safer than any time. I was thinking the mafia would put me on the crosshair soon already, because let's face, a rationally thinking townie is more of a help for Town than a raving one like you. Sure, you might think in the best interest of us, but you're not helping. But the current situation is useful for us.
Let me explain. Indeed, in case I was targeted anyway, and am now even more of a target, that plays into our hands, since now Town knows of a possible Mafia target. Means the medics can actually base their next move on something instead of randomly protecting people. Make the Mafia guess, will there be a medic or not? I dunno. Do they? Nope.
Second, you don't have to take this info with face value. I said exactly what's there to be said, nothing more. The DT might or might not be legit. But he seems increasingly legit to me (I won't go into details here). Please understand this: I WANT the mafia to target me, it's fine. My life is just a green one, worth not more than any other townies. What difference to you does it make if I make myself a target? You'd rather it be a blue?
This way, Town knows more, we are at an advantage. I can't stress this more often: KEEP THE MAFIA BUSY. We do NOT GAIN ANYTHING by hiding information. We're all in the clear here, the Mafia has to hide all they know.
Now, if the DT is mafia, then all of this is pretty stupid. Town won't go on lynching people based on this. But it might come useful later, when we have more information.
I repeat it once more, I am now safer than before. The mafia might hit me and fail because of a medic. It might think the situation raises suspicion towards me and not hit me at all. My chances of survival are now higher, and if I die, it might let somebody else live, maybe a blue.
So cool yourself off and think before you post, I have no intention of explaining things so thoroughly next time.
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haha die ace
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Now, the Ace posts:
Ace is having fun this game. Well, had. It was obvious from how he posts, he even PMed me about it, whatever. We can make certain observations from his "party behaviour". There are people IN his party team, and people OUTSIDE. How would he address the people IN? Indirectly, because THEY know what it is all about. While addressing people OUTSIDE, he would point at them directly, and the tension would be higher.
Watch for these two patterns in how Ace made his posts:
Example01:
"Ace: Lololol, Town is so dumb, oh my god!"
"Player01: Yeah lol, we fucked up a bit, shut up already"
"Ace: Lololol, listen to this mafifesto!"
"Player01: Mafifesto, lolol, fock off!" <--- Partying MAFIA
Example02:
"Ace: Hey, you dumb townie, what the fuck do you think you know?! NOTHING! We know so much!!!"
"Player02: Shut the fuck up, I'm not interested, you're annoying, go die!"
"Ace: I made you waste a lynch, lolol, idiot townie!"
"Player02: ...*steaming*" <--- Annoyed TOWNIE
Now obviously, this can't be decisive either. But it can prove to be a good starting point. I will look through the previous posts now, and gather out these two patterns, but I can already say that a good example for pattern01 (possible MAFIA) would be Chezinu, fusionsdf and fanatacist (nice friendly chat with Ace and each other, pp 62-63, also, were trying to make less people vote for Ace by splitting the votes up, and fanata was trying to push suggesting bumatlarge is likely mafia because of that famous PM he got from Ace) and , while the other example (probably TOWNIE) would include FakeSteve.
Chezinu:
I change my vote. I vote for xDark.Carnivalx
I think ace is on to something..lol
For The MAFIA MANIFESTO!
I'd advise the DT to check the DarkCarnival votelist. I'm curious if my analysis works, and if I live another day I will post the result of that (we save a role check)
Also, take a look at this exchange between ~OpZ~ and Ace:
On November 08 2008 08:36 ~OpZ~ wrote:
Isn't....It easier for the detectives to single out individuals if the group they are voting for is tiny....like....If three people voted for midnight, and dt checked, and none were mafia....? I mean....if you have one person vote for some random townie....the DT won't need to rolecheck the person to find out if he's townie or mafia....so you don't waste a rolecheck
On November 08 2008 09:18 Ace wrote:
~opz~ I see leaving you alive also won't be an issue.
The reason the town doesn't want to vigi me, at least the smart guys anyway has nothing to do with the town going "lolz thats dah vigi right tharr! don't inteput it yoz!".
Mafia can also interpret it, so you'd leave the vigis out to hang genius. Instead of arguing with people why don't you actually read their posts and see why it makes sense not to follow your advice.
Ace is addressing him very directly, mocking and insulting him. Yet Ace didn't even understand what OpZ was talking about, misinterpreting him completely. If this was two mafias talking, they would know exactly what they're talking about.
Again, just my observations, and I'm curious as to how it works out. But hey, if I didn't do any thinking here, I'd just be a dead weight before I die, right?
Feel free to look for flaws, but please, do it logically, and politely.
So, keep in mind that nonce of these are definitive, but these are my suspects based PURELY on my little post analysis: Chezinu, fisionsdf, fanatacist.
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The Ace-Steve duel can be found on page 52 btw. And I can guarantee you, that is a 100% genuine, annoyed townie (Steve), and a mafia trying to tease (Ace) talking. And Steve is pretty much right when he says these two things:
"the town is endlessly suspicious of anyone who says anything, because they are dumb"
and
"seriously people don't just think 'x posted something groundbreaking, i will vote to kill him'
think about what is happening in the game"
So don't go jumping on people who are trying to do something, like Mandalor jumped on me. THINK. TRY TO FIGURE THINGS OUT.
And add new information, don't lay low all the time.
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On November 09 2008 08:16 Amber[LighT] wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2008 08:07 Bockit wrote:On November 09 2008 08:03 Spike wrote:
sorry not a part of the game and haven't read all 69 pages but...
Can someone tell me why you would vote for Folca (said to be detective) to be killed before Ace (said to be mafia)?
Logically speaking, it doesn't make much sense if you think about it; either way, a mafioso will be killed, but you'll have your "Detective" for at least another day.
Did Ace spin it or something?
Or did someone think that they could be both mafia and trying to string along the town? <-- though this seems a little convoluted. Because if Folca was legitimately a dt then he was dead that night anyway. If Folca flipped blue then we have lost nothing cos he would have died. If he flipped red then Ace looks a little better. If we lynched Ace, could have been an important blue, could have been mafia, could have been green. Less loss by killing Folca imo. It's backwards logic like this that's fucking us over right now.
it didnt fuck us over
we got unlucky
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On November 09 2008 09:54 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2008 08:16 Amber[LighT] wrote:On November 09 2008 08:07 Bockit wrote:On November 09 2008 08:03 Spike wrote:
sorry not a part of the game and haven't read all 69 pages but...
Can someone tell me why you would vote for Folca (said to be detective) to be killed before Ace (said to be mafia)?
Logically speaking, it doesn't make much sense if you think about it; either way, a mafioso will be killed, but you'll have your "Detective" for at least another day.
Did Ace spin it or something?
Or did someone think that they could be both mafia and trying to string along the town? <-- though this seems a little convoluted. Because if Folca was legitimately a dt then he was dead that night anyway. If Folca flipped blue then we have lost nothing cos he would have died. If he flipped red then Ace looks a little better. If we lynched Ace, could have been an important blue, could have been mafia, could have been green. Less loss by killing Folca imo. It's backwards logic like this that's fucking us over right now. + Show Spoiler +
DO NOT TAKE THIS AS ANYTHING MAFIA LIKE!
I was not kidding when I said this: Bockit makes more sense than any of you. Why the hell would you believe anyone that claims DT on day 1? The reason the town has been fucking up is because of GREED over LOGIC.Think damn it :/
you are dead
which means you shouldnt be trying to influence the game through talking with the mafia or with the town
we killed you, so be quiet
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what i hate about FS is that he acts so weird that he confuses the town but not the mafia, because mafia already knows what their allies are rofl
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