EPTTL Mafia 3 [Night 5] - Page 3
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No one else matters at this point because no one else has anything strong enough that gives us a chance of finding mafia. Emp, can you answer my question. | ||
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Have you a found a clue that points to me? no Have you found out a way to see if Folca is legit? no And logic dictates that if anyone steps up as a DT and accuses someone and their validity can't be proven then they get lynched because otherwise mafia will always fake claim DT with no consequence. You guys are making no sense and you know it. It's like no matter what the best possible move is the plan is to lynch decaf. | ||
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4.) Folca is lying about being a DT, but is a normal townie used as a front by a legit DT 5.) Folca is lying about being a DT, but is being used by a fake DT mafia to get me lynched 6.) same as 6, but I'm mafia and it's just a super scheme The one thing about it is you can't call the motivation for it. You just don't know. The one standard is you HAVE to lynch the guy who is accusing because we can't PROVE he is a DT. If you lynch me and when I flip green, you lynch him who do you think won out? All of you keep looking at one side of the equation but conveniently ignore the other. And not a single one of you can tell me why he is a DT besides the same excuse " what reason does he have to lie?" By that very train of logic don't you think mafia would do it then? Next, the issue of "these other alleged mafia". Just because someone says they are a DT it does not mean any analysis or guesswork they do becomes credible. Unless they explicitly say they've investigated someone then it isn't a fact. How can four people miss this? The votes to lynch Folca are not what's suspicious around here, it's you guys. | ||
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right. | ||
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We either dont lynch or go for what we have: the collision between myself and Folca. you're right, the clue could relate to me and it could relate to fakesteve. Having a public available DT when there's a suicide bomber means that the DT won't be available for much longer. | ||
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wouldn't the medics have to chance his protection? Remember the medics probably dont know who each other, so it would all be on blind trust. Knowing that, they can even bank on the fact that all the medics wont protect Folca out of fear and just stack hits to kill him. Either way, how does that justify killing decaf when no one can say with certainty he is mafia? | ||
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Think about it. A few people are ignoring the fact that lynching myself or Folca is a sure fire way to get rid of 1 mafia in favor of killing a potential innocent because "The mafia wouldn't fake that DT claim". How is this making sense to anyone? It's the same 4 people saying it, and not ONE of them can tell the town how decaf's clue is strong enough to lynch him and how Folca can be proven to be a DT. It's not adding up at all. | ||
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Let's do a short recap: Early in the game we start coming up with plans. There was a plan to lynch inactives. Some peopel supported this as with barely any clues it's the best shot we'd have. The decaf clue comes out, but it's not getting much attention. Folca calls me out as mafia and claims DT. In the midst of this, he goes on to paint decaf and Midnight Gladius. At this point, it's obvious there is a collision so Folca or myself have to be lynched. It's the ONLY sure thing the town has. Emp and Alventenie ignore this and push for Decaf to be lynched on the strength that it might work out. No one can prove that Folca is a legit DT, and no one can get anything except coffee = decafchicken as their best clue. BloddyCobbler even pointed out that the clue could point to several other people but it is conveniently ignored. Folca messes up on how the rules of the game work, and well that just shoots some of his accusations down the drain. At the end of it we have a few people trying to push to lynch Decaf when after pages of asking not ONE of you can answer the question: How do you know Decaf is Mafia? It's sickening because if decaf flips green, and then I flip green what would you have to say? Stop trying to double think the mafia motive and just go for what's best for the town. | ||
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No one knows if Folca is for real, which is the whole point of lynching him first. Thats the whole damn reason I'm advocating his lynch, besides the most obvious point that I'm the one he accused. Stop asking stupid questions. | ||
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Folca accused ME, I didn't accuse him. Keep this point in mind, because this is the whole entire basis of the logic tree. Folca'a DT status can't be proven. We have no idea who the other DTs investigated, and we have no clue if they are going to hold off on any info knowing the truth about Folca's role (akin to what people said that if Folca was a real DT, he wouldn't have rushed this so fast). It does not matter what kind of long term scenario you are thinking about, how many possible outcomes this can flip, who benefits the town more - FORGET IT. You have to lynch the accuser that can't be verified. It's the only move that makes sense. It's day one of the game, anyone can claim anything and there aren't enough clues to make anyone's case stronger. You lynch the guy who is accusing, depending on what he flips the town takes action on the one who didn't get lynched. Lynch me first, I flip green/blue and the mafia laugh as you've not only lost a strong player, but you can't use the plan I came up with, you know Folca is red but you are no closer to finding out any other critical info about the rest of the mafia since possibly innocent townies are duped into the backwards logic several people have been using and it's a big mess to figure out. A lot of people have been blindly supporting Folca's logic on the off chance that he COULD be blue - but it doesn't matter because you have to do the most sound plan that helps the town. Lynch me first, I flip red and great! Folca would still die at night without killing the mafia Killing Power, and he can't use any more role checks. Lynch Folca first, he flips blue/green. Well, that would be nasty but then you know for sure I'm mafia.Then you can question why I've defended decaf and Midnight Gladius all you want but it should be obvious why I have. Lynch Folca first, he flips red. Great! We move on with the game and try to find out why players who couldn't have known so much info blindly supported Folca when he even messed up his reasoning a few times and named several players off of one role check. Now out of these 4 situations which ones make SENSE? The last 2. Because the burden of proof is on Folca, NOT me. Like I've said before, trying to ask "but why would mafia do that?" is pointless. It's day one, you can't possibly have any idea what their motives are because no one has died yet. Do the logical move, not the hopeful one. When I flip green/blue a lot of people are gonna be sorry. | ||
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Decaf did not die because of the coffee clue last game. Stop using this argument Folca. Decaf died because he misreported info to me when I was mayor, and along with the irc thing we assumed he had to be mafia. Thats why decaf died, we did it. Also there are not "several" clues pointing to me. There is one loose interpretation that the authority figure mentioned in the OP is referring to me. Also Folca I was not the one who called you on your flawed logic, I didn't even post till the next page. Get your facts straight. | ||
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You seem so sure Folca is telling the truth, blind trust huh? | ||
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edit: well, assuming the DT was legit. If Folca was green and randomly trusted some guy who said"Ace is mafia because I said, lulz" that would be ridiculous. | ||
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