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Ghar's plan sounds reasonable, but the detectives can do that for every mayor and not just not him. I don't see a real flaw in the plan, but I am hoping a more experienced mafia player can point out one or two. I can't be that easy. Also, is it worth it for the mafia to loose one member like that if they can take out the mayor and 1 or 2 detectives? (Sorry for being such a noob). Sonuvbob has 4 votes already, despite having given very little reason to vote for him other than him being able to see edits and having other mod powers. Also he announced that he was running for mayor at 16:09 (TL time) with this post: Ah what the hell, I'm announcing my candidacy for mayor. My platform: Being less of a douche than Steve was He got his first vote in the voting thread at 16:14, 5 minutes later, before he even made a second post. The person voting for him was LTT. I don't know if he participated in the previous TL mafia (I couldn't find that post anywhere), but if someone can confirm that? If he did, it makes it even more suspicious for me, because he knows the game and yet still votes for someone right after he reads the post, even though the reasoning behind Sonuvbob running for mayor at that time was just that he would be less of a douche that FS. Mafia promoting their candidate too early? So far I am not sure on who to vote, but I am waiting for a candidate to truly convince me. | ||
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If however the mayor is a townie, the plan sounds good to me. With the detective roles I assume we will find out if the mayor is a mafia member anyway since there is bound to be at least one detective checking that. Right now it is hard to trust anyone, but near impossible to point out the mafia members (unless they do something really stupid). We, as the town, have to be careful to accuse anyone since the mafia can easily benefit from that. If we start accusing other townies and fighting amongst ourselves the mafia have nothing worry about in the beginning. Also something Bill307 said in the write-up post made a lot of sense to me. I think the only way to form true evidence-based suspicions is to require numerous clues at a minimum, since multiple red-herrings pointing to the same unfortunate Towny is much less likely than multiple intentional clues pointing to the same mafioso. While Ghar's plan indeed is good and it does give direction, it also really bad if we elect a mayor that turns out to be mafia. So, considering Randomburn put in the effort to send out pm's before the roles were handed out, there being a 20/130 chance he then got a mafia role and with the excellent voting record he had last game, I am inclined to go with him for mayor. | ||
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I am liking the bodyguard idea that Ace put forward. It seems it can work really well, even if it would cost us one bodyguard, coordinating all the efforts of our special roles is probably worth it. He is getting a lot of votes right now though, so if that continues he will probably become mayor anyway and I am more interested in getting someone else with good idea's in the pardoner role. Randomburn is making quite a lot of sense as well so far. So I am withholding my vote for now to see if Ace will indeed take a huge lead and perhaps for other candidates to announce they are running for mayor. Oh and, fair enough Sonuvbob. | ||
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On March 19 2008 05:02 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I'd just like to say something about the bodyguard plan with one bodyguard stepping up front to accept everyone's roles; This could easily be done by the mafia too if the mayor is a mafia member. Mafia could fake being a bodyguard and thus it's not really any better then just sending the roles to the mayor. But won't the real bodyguards notice this? If there are 7 bodyguards and they all get the message and one of them steps forward, no problem. If there are 7 bodyguards and one doesn't get the message he will know something fishy is going on. If there are 7 bodyguards and they all get the message but an 8th person steps forward and say's the mayor is not mafia, they will also know something is wrong. Right, or am I missing something? | ||
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Can't wait to wake up tomorrow and having to read through like 50 pages. | ||
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Ah, good find; I probably just remembered that I would be unable to play for a long period of time - I had to leave for school, so I was away for about seven hours. In either case, my argument is the same. I just have a bad memory. He made his post at 19:33 TL time. Now if remember correctly from my geography classes, China and Korea are no that far apart. So that means, the timezone difference can't be that great (somewhere between 1-4 hours, depending on where you live in China would be my guess). That means that Emp said he had to go to school for 7 hours straight and that school would be starting at 15:33 - 18:33. A strange time to start with school if you ask me. I still think that Ace is the best candidate for mayor since he has a plan, but Emp has made so many strange descision that I really hope that people that voted for him will rethink their votes again. | ||
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About that, I seriously don't see the reason why they would cheat in this game, so I vote we don't remove either of them from the game. And stop accusing people of being mafia, we can't tell so far who is and who isn't. The only reasons to do it now is to cause more confusion amongst the town members and that is something town members should not try to do. | ||
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On March 20 2008 05:14 Falcynn wrote: Noone's trying to get anyone lynched at this point. The only reason people are trying to figure out if Empyrean is mafia or not is because he's running for mayor and obviously a mafia mayor would be bad (and they're not even trying to be certain about his affiliation, only his likeliness of being mafia). All the other people interpreting clues aren't doing it because they're trying to get those people lynched, they're just getting some sleuthing started so that when more clues come in we can cross reference them with what we've already gathered. No harm in that. You are right, I read back to about 10 pages again and I thought I saw more accusations, but there are actually only very few so far. And I agree about not getting emp in a position of power as can be seen by my earlier posts. | ||
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Congratulations Ace and Random on getting Mayor and pardoner, I hope we voted wisely and you will indeed turn out to be townies. I just wish we had some idea on when a detective will have checked Ace so we can be absolutely sure and his plans can be set in motion. I hope we can all agree on one thing. Confusion, wether it are so called funny post, drunk post, accusing post or whatever, will not benefit the town. If all the townies can agree to stop with all those post then it would make it a lot easier to come up with solid strategies. Also, if everyone agrees, the people still stirring up all kinds of things automatically become suspicious, because it is not doing the town any good. | ||
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On March 21 2008 00:42 Scorch wrote: I have a question though: what hinders a Mafia from claiming to be a Detective who has found Ace to be a Towny, and contacting him to infiltrate / gain access to the resistance group? The fraud would only leak out if ALL other "real" Detectives are in contact with Ace too. There would then be five Detectives, one of which is an impostor. But who? If we assume all detectives contact Ace once he has been cleared, so when no detective has spoken up, that means that all four should contact him. If more than four detectives are contacting Ace he said he would have a plan ready, which he has not revealed yet. If any of the real detectives decided not to contact Ace, then this could prove to be a problem however. | ||
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On March 21 2008 04:57 Scorch wrote: The fact that no Detective has yet stood up yet claiming to have found Ace a mafia member indicates that, in fact, Ace is townie. I'd wait a bit longer with claiming this, this night hasn't gone on for 24 hours, so it is possible that noone of the detectives has had time to check or that Chiui hasn't had time to reply yet. | ||
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On March 20 2008 14:22 Ace wrote: Reposting for clarification: The Bodyguard Plan (fully revised) This is a strategy I've used in the past to win games, and it works very well if even a slight majority of the main players involved use it. The base of this plan lends itself to the fact that no innocent Townie knows for sure who else is innocent or what roles they are. Also is the fact that the main disadvantage the Town has is lack of information, whereas our main advantage is numbers. Combining these two things is the Bodyguard Plan. At the start of the game, the only non-Mafia/elected roles that any other player can possibly know for sure is a Bodyguard. The Mayor receives this info once elected into office. This plan is best with an innocent Mayor, but it also forces a Mafia Mayor to help the town in the event he/she is ever elected. When the Mayor is elected, their first plan of action should be to PM all the Bodyguards each other's identities. This pus information into the hands of the Townies that is critical. Assume there are 7 bodyguards. The Mayor PMs all of them the identity of the other 6. All of them then PM each other to 1: confirm they got a PM stating they are the bodyguard from the Mayor 2: make sure they ALL have the same list of Bodyguards In the case of an Innocent Mayor doing this, we have 7 townies all on the same side off the jump and this will be a major help to the Town if they all know the roles of 6 other innocents asap. In the case of a Mafia Mayor he could actually try and add a Mafia member to the list of Bodyguards or ignore a real Bodyguard - and this is where the true failsafe in the plan comes in. Failsafe: Remember, all Bodyguards SHOULD get that PM. If any of the Bodyguards don't get it then they should know something is clearly fishy and should investigate hastily. The Mayor would be investigated from Day 1, so the Town will know for sure if he/she is innocent or not which will allow the Bodyguards to know they can or can't trust the Mayor. If the Mayor turns out dirty, the Bodyguards will clearly speak up asap. If the Mayor is legit, then that Bodyguard list is 100% legit and ensures we have a solid base to start from because the Detectives stay silent. In summary the idea of this plan is self checking: Bodyguards are checked by each other and Mayor with the PMs Mayor is checked by Detectives Detectives stay silent if the Mayor is legit, and speak up if he is Mafia If ANY Detective speaks up against the Mayor and we can't decide whether or not who to believe, we go to the ultimatum approach - just lynch the DT first and if he is telling the truth the Mayor is Mafia. Boom - Mafia Mayor gone by the second day. If the Mayor tends to be Mafia and releases a corrupted list, then the BGs will speak up and name the people on the list. The DTs paying attention to this, investigate the names. The Mafia will have added just thrown some of their members into a trap and will get figured out eventually. In the case of an innocent Mayor this 100% guarantees us safety, in the case of a Mafia Mayor it takes us at worst 2 days to clean up the mess. This is my plan of action to start the game off. In the event the list is released publicly, the best part of this plan is that the spotlight is taken off of the Detectives and put on the Bodyguards. This allows the Detectives to stay quiet, and for the Medics to have a list of people they need to watch. Remember what I stated earlier - the Town's main disadvantage is that we lack information and this plan serves to rectify that while maximizing our main advantage - numbers. Once the base has been formed (Mayors + Bodyguards) we can start generating a list of suspects together, and figuring out roles down the road. To succeed the Town needs a strong start, and this plan is one of such. Once you are assured of my innocence through the Detective's silence, then you should PM me your roles so we can get started. Reposting for people who still aren't clear what is going on. | ||
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Some very nice clues have been pointed out so far and from reading the thread I would have to agree that Ghar seems a strong suspect for today's lynching, but I will wait with voting to see if Ace comes out with more information that is currently unknown to us. | ||
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On the other hand, no clues were linked to Mandalor and he was spot on there. | ||
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On March 27 2008 00:52 GeneralStan wrote: :pop: Seriously though, when is Day coming? I can't wait until Showtime is dead. Chiui informed us that he is quite sick, so let's just wait till he or Dapperdan finds the time. | ||
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Or option D: Both our Mayor and Showtime! are lying about it. | ||
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<edit> And stop assuming I didn't read the previous posts. | ||
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On March 28 2008 23:25 araav wrote: Lenwe, where the hell did you see me owning up that I even knew about a channel? i was saying this is all a makeup for something that I am not aware of... Fair enough, that is all I was asking. | ||
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That said, personal insults not related to the game should not be allowed and are of no use to anyone. Take the personal vendetta to pm's and let's keep this thread focused on the game please. Ace, with all the spamming that has gone on, could you perhaps relist the plan for the people (and I am sure there are loads) that missed it. | ||
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On the 0,00001% chance that noone of the DT's checked him: Then we are screwed anyway, since the mafia have a list of pretty much every blue in the game and it is game over. So why would we waste a valuable DT question on something that we already know. Why are people still so worried about this Ace being mafia thing, while the chance of him being so is nearly 0% (once again, if he is our DT's screwed up and this is pretty much gg). Why not use that question to gain more information and proceed with Ace's plan, which so far has made perfect sense and has led us to our first mafia kill. Start worrying about other people's behaviour and start linking clue's to them. Post those results here in public or pm them to Ace telling him to post it in public if you are afraid for your own life. | ||
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On March 29 2008 08:59 Ace wrote: Ok first point of business. Even though there is a Double Lynch in effect, still only vote according to the strategy unless otherwise stated. Firstly, suspect #1 = wurm The only people that should be voting for wurm no matter what are these players: Showtime! ShaLLoW[baY] qrs clazziquai ahrara_ Falcynn ZBiR unsoundlogic BWdero GeneralStan Scorch nemY MidnightGladius decafchicken L Empyrean Eti307 suresh0t randombum Lysithea New104 Kau Artanis[Xp] Ninja4ever Naib Hittegods SoleSteeler NO ONE ELSE VOTE FOR WURM! Likewise, suspect #2 = Ghar The only people voting for Ghar no matter what should be these people: Romance_us Plexa Caller Fishball RtS)Night[Mare Jimtudor GranDim Lenwe Alethios NatsuTerran 0cz3c Last Romantic zeks Pangolin SpiritoftheTuna Unforgiven_ve Energies BloodyC0bbler iNfuNdiBuLuM SoMuchBetter Camlito bumatlarge fanatacist ieatkids5 ~OpZ~ SonuvBob Siefu butidigress NO ONE ELSE VOTE FOR Ghar! Now that you guys know that, this is the rest of the plan. These players should vote like this: randombum - 2 useLess aZnvaLiaNce Ace -4 Alventenie imDerek TranceStorm Evilmonkey Thats it. However, we know only 1 of those 6 are Mafia. Any innocent townie that wants to prove their innocence can vote on either myself or randombum BUT watch the vote count to make sure you don't accidentally lynch one of us. If you don't even want to risk it vote on ANYONE else except those 4 names, or just abstain. Please do this asap because we dont have much time. Please do not forget to follow the plan people if there is still time to change your vote. <edit> I'm sorry Chuiu. | ||
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I also agree that the amount of inactive people we have in this game is not helpfull. It is so easy for mafia to just hide among them, not really post or vote and thus never get noticed. | ||
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