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Post game start, however, we can assume that mafia will field a single, or two mayoral candidates. If the number of candidates is 6 or less, the risk of voting for a mafia candidate from the pool is 1/6, which is actually higher than 2/13. If mafia field two candidates to split votes and force multiple detectives outing themselves for single incriminations, then we'd need THIRTEEN TOTAL CANDIDATES to produce the same risk. Either way you slice it, no proof of any kind has entered the game besides some very flimsy clues, The inherant risk of voting pre-game vs. post-game candidate are negligibly identical if we use a few base assumptions, but even those aren't set in stone. Essentially the reliability of the prediction is focussed on the reliability of predicting the number of mafioso who are running for mayor, which is really anyone's game. I'd assume 1 or 2, but it could easily be 0 or 3. Anyone agree? Disagree? Why would ANY Townie that isn't a moron claim the DT role? Veteran looking to absorb hits? Jack? Etc. | ||
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Chances that Empyrean is Mafioso again are slim. Chances that Empyrean is Mafioso again are 20/130. Probability doesn't work the way you think it does. | ||
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My question to all of you is: would it be beneficial enough for mafia to even attempt the stunt empyrean is employing? Would it be reasonable? Pretending to be a detective to oust a detective and potentially get mayor is massively profitable for mafia. Nearly any disinformation is. That's obvious. They lose 5% of their numbers for a potentially game breaking position and take down a detective if they fail. | ||
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The problem is, if I'm not elected anything, the town'll lose a detective. Unless mafia decide that you're very likely to be plastered in paramedics for the first few days and then decide that you wouldn't be worth killing for 2-3 nights. Even then, that's assuming mafia actually believes your story. The entire Fakesteve 'attitude' was probably the single most important part of the townie downfall last game, and you've show yourself to be heir to it this game. Mankind ill needs such a savior as you. Taken at face value, your post assumes that: -You aren't lying about being a detective. -You aren't a normal townie trying to push your way into becoming the mayor -You aren't a previous high-profile mafia member trying to throw down a few high stakes rolls for big rewards. Since you're likely not mafia, just like every other mayoral candidate isn't, the qualities you possess as an individual are the most important, and I simply don't see you as having the right ones. Sorry  . | ||
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Heh Empyrean really should have considered the mafia's new roles before enacting his plan. If he did, the only logical conclusion is that he was he mafia candidate and is trying to soak medic time and potentially get pardoner/mayor before being discovered for real. | ||
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As for the smilie clue, people have completely dropped the fact that people who actually use smilies could be the mafia in question (I don't.), and the largest repository of smilies for posts is the mood section, which no one has documented, and thus is very easy to change. Just as an example, Here's a picture of Shallow, unedited from page 94. ![[image loading]](http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/2263/smiliesmy8.th.jpg) | ||
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And really, I don't think the mood icon could mean anything, it's much more probable that it links to quote or abundant smiley use in posts I'm leaning towards smilie usage in posts too, but its just an aside really. No one's really gone back and chronicled who's been using smilies in posts, but from a cursory examination of the first few pages, there's plenty of people who have been. | ||
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Nah, you're wrong. Mr Pink used Mynock's head like a flail, he was holding Mynock's long hair and hitting with his head (which was attached to his hair obv) ![[image loading]](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v69/Godamn/Ghar4Mayor.jpg) Now that I think about it. that's kinda blatant. | ||
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More or less the same as the proportion of mafiosi in the town as a whole. Beat me to it :/ | ||
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New people shouldn't be voting for lynching you and Ace so you should have 3 and 4 votes each, so you would only need on DT check for you and him. Unless someone is inactive. | ||
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We had like seven thousand clues pointing to him :/. That's ridiculous. | ||
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The people, such as myself, who voted but "shouldn't have" are actually doing the town a favour. Assuming the lists have no missing people, you'd be right, but since they do, you're wrong. | ||
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i think next game should be invite only by people who were active Yes and no. Some people are active, then drop off for a few days. Others simply can't deal with the incredibly volume of posts then say something of worth. I'd suggest that people stop spamming the thread and only post content if they have something significant to say. Between showtime and shallow, we literally added somewhere close to 500 posts to this thread. In my specific instance, after reading something like that, I'd just be to tired to think of anything 'new' to put into the discussion, and i'd be out of time as well, seeing as i've got a life and all. Edit: blonde = albino one of my friends has an albino brother, and his hair is white, not blonde. Mr. White makes more sense in the hair department. | ||
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Heroes cannot add properly. The 12 clue would be a pretty solid find, I suppose, but sadly it doesn't exist. None of the number combinations add to 12 unless you make a mistake. If our jack comes back and you want to waste one of his dt turns, feel free to ask him if the knives/number/cottonmouth in general is related to me. And knifes, throwing, and nails have nothing to do with me. Blades, sharp objects, throwing can all be linked to a variety of people, and yet not to me. Even the cottonmouth moniker is geographically distinct from me. Agkistrodon piscivorus is a venomous pitviper species found in the eastern United States. Sidewinder is a snake which inhabits the US. Queasy was from the US. Are snakes geographically sensitive? Taipan snake says no, Queasy says yes. Maybe not all snakes are geographically sensitive, but if cottonmouth is, it can't be me. Taipan snake's 'clue' seems more to be this: A taipan is a large, fast, highly venomous Australian snake. One species, the inland taipan, has the most toxic venom of any land species worldwide, although it is not the most deadly. . Basically its a hint that he's the most 'deadly' of the mafia, being a suicide bomber and all. In that respect, snakes could hold clues, but morphologic clues as well as geographic clues. Either way, cottonmouth doesn't fit me. I'm so certain of this that I'll link you to both cottonmouth pages on wikipedia so that you can see for yourself. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agkistrodon_piscivorus http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agkistrodon_contortrix_mokasen PS. I'm sorry I actually did work and found clues on Ghar while 3/4ths of the town was deadset convinced he was a mafia member. I guess activity is bad news when you try and make it productive. | ||
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And are you suggesting that a monkey or chicken would cut phone wires? | ||
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On April 11 2008 00:44 LTT wrote: I think there might be a problem with the 12 idea. We only have 2 occurances and the first one was miscounted. There are a total of 15 knives on Day 2. 2 + 4 + 6 + 3 = 15 There were 3 knives in EACH of his legs, for a total of 6 knives in his legs. | ||
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On April 11 2008 01:01 LTT wrote: If that is the case, then Day 4 doesn't add up to 12. Adding all the nails, you get 5 + 1 + 6 + 3 + 1 = 16 Adding just the numbers, you get 5 + 6 + 3 = 14 I'm starting to think 12 is really a stretch. You never disproved this :/. Honestly, you forget to count the second group of 3 knives in the legs, and your workaround makes 12 dissapear from the other post. | ||
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He dodge three more nails flying at him and got out to the hallway The number you skipped is staring you in the face. If you add the a nail being one, now the number is 15. | ||
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Wow. Case closed, you're retarded. Again, go ahead and try to link cottonmouth, knives, throwing weapons, nails or any other action besides your retardedly contrived number invention. If they don't fit, I cant be cottonmouth. Then again, you have animals cutting through power cables, so I'm not sure if you're trying to troll me. If so, well done. | ||
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If L is mafia how do fuck do you make clues towards him then? Posting behavior, blog posts, name, anything's up for grabs. No quote, name mean nothing Additionally, chuiu uses wikipedia for quite a few of his clues, so looking at the history of the letter L in wikipedia shows The letter L is derived ultimately from the Semitic crook or goad which stood for /l/. This originally may have been based on an Egyptian hieroglyph that was adapted by Semites for alphabetic purposes. The Greek letter Lambda Λ (upper case) or λ (lower case), as well as the equivalent Etruscan and Latin letters, represent the same sound as the Semitic letter. In reference, it is spelled el or ell. Crook, Lambda, excessive el, or ell sounds would all point to me. From Crook you can go to shepards/crime. From lambda you can go to wavelength or something similar. You could also use when I joined, where i live, etc. We've already been over those, Cottonmouth doesn't connect to me on any ground besides some made up number game. Again, i'll flat out ask that the jack check me. If you really think i'm mafia, that's cool. I'd just rather not have the town go and lynch another innocent member because you're trying your best to 'spice things up', as you put it. Edit: Shallow looks innocent now  . | ||
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Your inability to count properly and your continued accusations after your evidence has been proven false kinda make you suspicious too, but mafia's a game of suspicions, so i suppose that's normal. I really do need to get back to studying, so don't expect much from me until tomorrow. | ||
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L, called me a retard when I pointed out a clue towards EvilMonkey I called you a retard because you can't add. The fact that you thought that decaf was cutting wires specifically because of the thematic link to being an animal also didn't make sense. As for evilmonkey being mafia or not, I'm pretty sure everyone was operating on very few clues + the dt list, much like we all were when we voted for trancestorm. I didn't defend him at all, I just thought that your reasoning was kinda weak and totally didn't fit. Ie. Decaf shouldn't be under suspicion because of the animal/wire link, but that's kinda obvious now due to monkey being mafia, that's all. And yeah, i've been meaning to ask you. You post quite a bit, but you edit a large amount of your posts. I've seen a few of the uneditted versions, and they all seem to be like 20 line analysis which are fairly decent, but then i go to check where you go the information from, and the post is gone by the time i get back. More importantly, the timestamps on your edits are actually after successive posts, which means you posted something, double posted in certain cases, then went back and editted both posts for some reason. most specifically, pages 213 and 214, which comprise like your 7 most recent posts before the night post by chuiu. I'm not going to say this means you're mafia, because i'm pretty sure that dt evidence + clues are far more important, but like.. why would you edit such a massive amount of information out of your posts? | ||
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Im never removing information from my edit : I have already pointed out in this thread that english isnt my first language, so my edit are mostly to correct grammar Edit : put thread instead of channel Well, i did see you take away a big chunk of information from one of the posts at least, no disputing that, but i guess the grammar issue is fine. I normally edit a lot of my posts for grammar too, but i didn't in this thread on purpose. There's a few in my last post that i didn't want to get rid of, for example. Thanks for clearing that up. As for snake charmer, I was going to suggest that the following set of thematics links to him: -Swords/blades/cutting in general (mentioned both as per his weaponry, and as per his gashes) -His attacks were relentless, so either he really like death, is a dark character, or he is motivated -His attacks were gruesome, so either his cuts were powerful, or they had a sinister 'dark' quality to them. MidnightGladius fits both sections (Dark + Sword), but the 'dark' really does connect with ieatkids. I guess another clue would help | ||
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Dont forgot the word Idle, Im pretty sure its the most important word in all the sentence we have of Snake Charmer. Could be, but the phrase and his actions kinda point to the reverse: ie he was really active in his killing. Actually, i did some checking up, and I can't google a Volrath Ishnikar, but from my time playing magic I know of a Volrath who was the antagonist of the story for something like 5-6 years. Basically Volrath was a big magical black hero who dealt with shapeshifting and raising people from the dead, and he was incredibly cruel. The word gruesome really does describe him, and that's part of the comment midnight has for his profile. Also: his full comment is a quote, the contents of which are: "It's time to acknowledge the inevitable. Stifle your pride and embrace the glory of change." Basically it fits perfectly with the emphasis put on the fact that he isn't idle, because change is pretty much the opposite of staying still. More than that, the stifling of pride can tie into the way he just hacked his target to death. I dunno, just throwing ideas out because i'm bored of studying | ||
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artanis_(StarCraft)#Artanis | ||
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I feel that the spoinka clue is a little too streched Intentional pun? If so, 5/5. For Mr Red, until we get more clues, there's only Dr.Dragoon due to falling = how dragoons deal damage in rpg games. And sonuvbob's retarded chocobo picture + the red blood of his nazgul pierced friend. Both seem pretty meh, but that's what I found while looking. | ||
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And fusion, go download/google 'cave story deluxe' for a cute little time waster game. | ||
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On to the clues, i suppose: "We love what you've done here, but you're just as much a risk to us so you've got to go as well" said Mr. Black. Enigma had an ugly look on his face as he tackled decafchicken to the ground and Mr. Black followed up as they both started viciously beating him. They were just starting to get into it when Eddie cut their fun short by shooting decafchicken with his own gun and they all retreated quickly. Okay, so, love pops up here, might just be a consequence of decaf hitting KH, but the entire wording seems very snide. Something insincere about Mr, Black? Next: Enigma has an ugly look on his face? Does that mean he's ugly, or does his character have something to do with grimacing? Either way, Enigma seems to have some facial link to him. Third: Mr. Black and Enigma beat the shit out of decaf; is this important, or does it just mean they're violent people. Eddie, on the other hand, seems to be the most proffessional, having his own firearm and ending decaf's life asap. PS. Fuck, sorry midnight. Nearly every red herring possible pointed towards you, but i guess this means MTF is in trouble? Either way, this was really bad. PPS. Did decaf hit KH1031 on his own? Wouldn't him searching a vote list have done better? | ||
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and they got 5/8 kills, which means the only wasted 3 on medics/veterans They got less than that. Decaf was a vig and hit a medic, i'm assuming, and I'm pretty sure blind wouldn't get hit by mafia, so they're actually at 3/8, which is pretty horrible. pretty lame Edit: He was a jack using vig power, it seems. | ||
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Mr. Brown called out to him as they ran towards his direction but BloodyC0bbler couldn't understand a word he was saying. BloodyC0bbler stopped to face them and tried to figure out what the ruckus was all about when he saw the looks on their faces. BloodyC0bbler decided it was best to run from them instead and started heading toward his car parked a couple blocks down. He almost already felt himself dying as he ran as hard as he could but Mr. Pink eventually caught up to him first and tackled him to the ground. Mr. Brown snagged a rather sharp stone from someones yard decoration and quickly caught up. Mr. Pink held BloodyC0bbler down as Mr. Brown smashed the stone several times into his skull. Mr Brown can't be understood again. This is clearly a thematic point. He also calls out, not yelling this time. Mr Brown is again connected to a face being smashed in. Mr Brown viciously beats Fishball to death with Mr. Blonde in the previous clue. He bricks Cobbler in the face this time. Mr. Pink is speedy, it seems, and tackles. From the original clues on Mr. Pink, he seems like a street fighter type character (not the game). Kinda quiet and reserved, but able to go all out in a brawl. He also seems to be bloodthirsty, which is shown by him and Mr. Brown literally smashing 2 people to death without any firearms or even classical weapons besides fists. But something even more interesting: Mr. Pink and Mr. Brown are together as a pair twice. This is highly unlikely unless its done on purpose. | ||
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![[image loading]](http://teamliquid.net/userfiles/32479.jpg?1205874100) Images typically go unchecked because they haven't been put into lists, but after looking at the clues for today, I went over all of the current profile pictures, and came across this. I'm not going to point any fingers, but this reminds me of a certain mafia character on nearly all of his thematic levels. | ||
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Ok here's what we know about last night for sure - EXTREMELY IMPORTANT POST Mafia Kill List for Night 4 1.)Hittegods 2.)xDark.Carnivalx 3.)Lenwe (protected once) - Medic #1 4.)Lenwe 5.)Caller 6.)Meta All of these were legit - now here's something interesting. 7.) Plexa (protected) Medic2 8.)Plexa (protected) Medic3 9.) Plexa (protected again) Medic4 (not confirmed yet) 10.) Jack (I told him to put vet status on) took 1 hit 11.) Jack (protected) Medic 5 or 10 +11 is true. Either way something is wrong. This is all based on the Night Kills + info I got from medics and the Jack. As you can see, something does NOT add up. How could Plexa be protected 3 times and the Jack get hit as a vet and saved? Plexa how many hits were you informed about taking last night? Mafia knew which hits failed. They knew Plexa and someone else failed, and then you went and called that person the jack. But way to go, yet another massive bumbling mistake to reveal another medic. I'll likely be dead tomorrow because of your spotty memory and poor play. :/ Edit: I didn't want to say anything before because that would have made it pretty clear for mafia, but I guess now that decaf's dead and you're trying to get another medic killed, I'm rather forced. | ||
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Edit: 2 vig hits (one on your orders on KH, which decaf pmed me about) + 3 normal kills. Either mafia hit 5 veterans, or they probably put extra hits on decaf to assure that he couldn't vote check in the future. And to add to that, if the Jack's ID was already known by the channel incident, why does it tie to me. Mafia already knew, and with the missing hits, (being over FIFTY PERCENT of their total hits), its incredibly easy to assume that they just tossed an extra hit or two on him to assure his death. | ||
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Also, to reply to amber: Also, L, how do you know your medic save was necessarily guaranteed protection. We can't say for sure. We need to list who was actually hit. Lets also not forget it's possible that some mafia can be inactive? I don't know. I know i stopped one hit. The fact that there was more than one hit is assured, which still leaves 3 in the air. One medic protection wouldn't ever be guaranteed protection, and from mafia's hitting history, they seem to stack hits, or hit a LOT of veterans, none of which have died. Honestly, it doesn't even matter now. Ace just got me killed by mafia hit tomorrow night unless he's trying to set me up to get protected. | ||
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Ignoring that info look at the clues that point to L. People have said i'm 3 different mafia members. The latest 'clues' are just as bogus. People will attach clues to people if they look hard enough, see Ghar and MidnightGladius (sorry guys) for details. And as for the list. It was Empyrean - On my own. Empyrean - You told me to stay on him. Empyrean - You told me to stay on him. I stopped a hit, but he still died. Plexa - I pmed Chuiu 3 minutes before my pm to you on the ninth of april. Mafia hit plexa twice, You put 3 medics on him. He survives Decaf - I prevented a hit. He dies. But you knew all that. | ||
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That leaves player error. | ||
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I'll be waiting. | ||
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Do I even need to? Yeah, you kinda do. Because you're saying that 3 medics defended hits tonight, and mafia already knows that. Why would you keep information from the town. The only possible way you could be blue is if everyone else is lying. More than that, only 1 medic needs to be lying, for the reasons i showed earlier. If you think he's suspect the least you would do is actually make some sense of your accusations, right? Well, if people are suspecting me, i'd rather they evaluate the clues based on the clue's merits, and not my "coolness" in the thread. | ||
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If they post what good will that do? Edit: When i turn up blue, it'll be the name of a mafia, or someone who screwed up. It also proves you aren't full of shit, because you're pretending you know where 5 hits went, and i'm 100% positive you don't, because I stopped one. Go ahead and show proof that you know where all 5 came from. You can't. | ||
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I'll publicly say that tonight we are only putting YOU on a target, a target like...Plexa. I'm going to die tonight to mafia regardless, but that's fine. At least you don't waste a lynch, and the person i'm protecting is assured 2+ hits if he wants to die. If Plexa dies or you don't die we'd know your Mafia for sure and then lynch you tomorrow. Deal? Either way, I protected decaf, so I know you're doing something wrong to account for all other 5 hits. | ||
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Edit: He can also lie and put extra medics to prevent 2-3 hits from registering, and just make sure that I'm the first one to send my PM to chuiu so that I'm first on the list to save the target. Either way, mafia sending 2 hits on a target that the town knows is going to get hit is risky for them. | ||
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Is the medic still informed if he blocked a hit, even if the person hit isn't? (I know he isn't if he's killed, but is the medic still informed in that situation?) We're informed regardless of if the target survives or not, but only if our save was the one that stopped the hit. | ||
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- As well as many other specific physical references to his creation here. 1) You linked to the letter L, which has nothing to do with the interpretation. 2) Upon reading the wikipedia article, there's a massive amount of contraindicatory information. Examples: Ohba said that he left "everything" about L's character design to Obata. Obata asked Ohba if L could be "unattractive." Afterwards Ohba included ideas in his thumbnails, including L's manner of sitting, "he's English," and "he's listless." Ohba said that he added details regarding L's mannerisms and his "sweet tooth." Ohba credits Obata for the character designs.[5] Basically you misquoted the paragraph that said that L developed into a very quirky character and used it so say he was ugly. Obata said that, during the development of the early manga chapters, he feared that L would appear to be "so suspicious that Light would know instantly it was L if they ever met." When Obata's editor told him that he wanted L to have a face "looking cool based on the angle," Obata added black "bags" under L's eyes. Obata cited Devilman's Akira Fudou when stating that he believed that black bags "looked cool." In addition, Obata thought of a "dead eyes" concept involving L having "mostly no eyebrows" and "all-black eyes." Obata believes that having black eyes usually makes a character "goofier," but the bags "sharpen the character's gaze." Obata believes that the design evokes "a feeling of mystery" and that the reader cannot determine L's true thoughts. In addition Obata said that the bags under L's eyes attracts speculation about L's lifestyle and past. He described the bags as "useful." Obata designed L with a "simple" white, long-sleeved shirt and jeans outfit to convey the idea that L does not put thought into choosing his clothing. In Death Note: How to Read 13, Obata presented an initial rough draft of L. Obata said that, with a "cool expression" and without the "bags" under his eyes the rough draft L looks like "a totally different person."[4] Clearly looking cool and being ugly are the same, right? GJ taking someone and fitting clues to him as opposed to taking clues and fitting them thematically to people. Anyways, that's the preliminary design of L. Read further down into what he actually does in the anime, and you'll see that none of it remotely describes me. I'd argue harder, but i'll be mafia'd in the face tonight. Suffice it to say, a sweet tooth, odd posture, looking sleepy, only fighting using kicks or any number of odd but L-centric quirks could have described me, and not only does enigma not have these characteristics, but no other mafia member does either. What else would clues about me be made on? We've been over the letter itself, we've been over the ell sound. we've been over nearly everything. Similarly, the traits enigma has (running hand through hair for instance), don't match up. Either way, when I die and come up blue, lynching spoinka because of a single pokemon reference to an animal who bounces (as opposed to falls down). This will be the third time people try to pin me to a name, and do so poorly. I'd tell people who I think enigma is, but the town wouldn't believe me until I died anyways, so what's the point? | ||
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Its the main character of the series, being the guy screaming out to matsuda in those videos, the guy who gives grimaces, the who who has a fake note written, the guy who is righteous and believes that he's the only one who can fix things. Enigma isn't L. Enigma is Yagami Light. Watch 2:05. I was hoping I wouldn't have to be the one to point this out, but i guess since i'm either lynched or mafiaed in the face in the next 24-72 hours, I might as well regardless of people ignoring evidence based on suspicions around me. That's the same reason I didn't really want to point out that the 'leader' character eddie is nearly directly implicated by more mineral's picture involving god with his own ak47. | ||
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Why would you suggest that? Because if mafia are active and you die as red, suspicion is thrown off your active comrades. It also gives you a bluff to hide under like you've done here. Obviously you won't trust me if i directly link your name to a suite of clues which has been thought to be mine for the past day, but you haven't really doubted the validity of the link in your defense posts, which makes me believe that you know you've been pinned. Either way, no matter what people do, others are going to be suspicious. This is why i didn't want to point a finger at you in the first place. If i really was so out to nail you, why would I hold back my predictions? If i was mafia, for the same reasons i posted above for your ineptitude bluff. Even then, If i die red, or you die red, the other isn't explicitly found innocent, we can simply be dual mafia just throwing ideas off each other to make the other seem less liable come lynch time. But yeah, the fact that you've stated that the fact that I still didn't know how the mafia killed should have made me an automatic name to never even bother accusing or putting on a list. is all the reason you'd need as mafia to state your lack of knowledge in the first place. That the method of killing has been posted prior in thread would be of no worry to you if you were mafia, because you could pin your lack of knowledge on lack of activity. If you were townie, on the other hand, it shows that you haven't even bothered to read the thread. :/. Either way, pretending to be stupid doesn't really help you. | ||
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Not once have you brought up a single clue relating to him in any of your posts. Apart from the fact that Yagami Light fits every action of enigma, from the fake note all the way down to the grimace? | ||
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go make yourself useful and send a list to chuiu Pardon? | ||
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(L we don't care about yours) Hater. | ||
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L not a detective but mafia, that sucks. He should have chosen another nickname. I actually wanted to be a townie and was disappointed when I got mafia. QQ for me. Hope it all turns out well, gl everyone . | ||
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Oh wait, you meant tomorrow. | ||
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just why would you reveal that info right now? Because I dont' want anyone thinking that mafia cheated this game. We've had the entire irc hacker incident, multiple instances of townies pming info around after being dead. Mafia's tried its best to keep playing by the rules, and I don't want anyone thinking we've bent the rules and broken into PMs or cheated to find the list. Mandalor was searching for threads with his name in it, and he got the entire list. The IRC incident was another fluke that we'll explain after the game. There's a few other things, but when we write up what happened on our side you'll see what i'm talking about. Besides, L basically revealed it already (posting while dead, I might add, but whatever.) None of the living members can up and reveal themselves to explain that we aren't cheating, so that forces one of the dead ones to act as a representative. | ||
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The barred people were green as noted in your post. You can say now "oh i was going to green everyone" but that's a bit after the fact, isn't it? Random saw you give out the information and called you on it. They weren't black with a cross strike (ie no information give). This wasn't 'role unknown, randombum's a jerk'. This was a replacement done when townies had been asking to get new blood switched in, when you had said you had wanted to 'end the game'. I waited for this to happen because this is exactly how I figured it would go down. There have been so many 'small mistakes', be it pming information to dead people, letting 3 pages of dead townie discussion, or this. This is just the most recent and obvious, from the person who should have been the most impartial. Even showtime, probably the most annoying troll the town had agreed on this point: Any way you slice it; it's bad. Any changes now would compromise the game.. And the game is now compromised. Well done. I'm glad the town had to take such a massive lead, such a gigantic start, and be reduced to needing freebies from the game's organizer to try and coast into a win. You put them green. Green means townie. Period. This isn't even up for discussion. You're saying that your previous conventions are all out the window and you were going to introduce new ones on the fly, then get angry and ban random from the next game when he points out that you're flat out cheating. And as a sidenote: Mafia has NEVER had all twenty members active. If we did, we'd have had random in the mayorship, and we'd have had a complete list of bodyguards to slaughter on day 1. As for the town cheating, I have a massive amount of information showing who's been cheating, as well as information from townies (who i'm not going to name) who have been privy to the dead players irc channel. Oh wait, why would townies need a dead players irc channel anyways? ... | ||
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I'd much prefer if the system allowed us to submit anonymous, non traced issues, but it doesn't. I'm sorry that this is the best we can do. Something unfair occurred and the mafia side of the game has the right to make their case against it. We aren't going to spam the thread, and we are currently producing the longest and most comprehensive posts in this 'argument', so I can't really see us being seen as trolls. If you want to ban me for being on the 'wrong' side of a debate, so be it, but why weren't people being temp banned when you and the townies spent pages of time complaining post mortem about inactivity and how inactives should be switched? Why weren't you banned when you sent out a mass pm relating to the game despite being dead? If anything was game changing, it was that. The aforementioned two examples aren't to incriminate you, or to call you out in any way, but just to show that its rather one sided to try to shut out one side when the other has been heard extensively. I'm done posting unless someone has a solid response, suggestion, or solicits a mafia viewpoint on how the game is running. | ||
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