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ok, questions about roles (sorry chuiu  )
detective
You have the ability to ask me, once per day/night cycle, whether or not a specific clue points to a specific person. You have the ability to, twice a game but not on the same day, ask me what role a specific person has. You will receive a simple yes or no answer to both of those questions.
i don't understand how do you get a yes/no answer to the 2nd question. do you mean you can ask "is this person a paramedic?" or "what role does this person have?"
the latter requires more than a yes/no answer
if it's the former, you could reword it to something like ", ask me whether a person has a certain role"
also, if its the former, and you ask if someone is mafia, do you get a 'yes' if they're a saboteur or suicider?
jack
if jack uses a veteran, that stays for only the day/night cycle that he uses it on, right? else would be a little silly
tyvm :D
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HE GOT MY HOPES UP
I THOUGHT I GOT THE ROLE PM
!!!!!!!!!!!
oh well, kudos to him for a unique campaign at the least
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eh, randombum will probably get a few votes from people that don't really care and think he's a good a candidate as any.
i wonder if chuiu is reading this -- should i bother staying up? will the roles be up in 40ish minutes or no? xD
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people who vote for empyrean crack me up. if he's legit, the best he can do for us is verify the mayor then get shot by mafia, because there's no reason to vote for him at all, since saboteur will juts be laughin at us (realize that he had nobody to roleblock until empyrean went "im dt lulz!") if we elect him
now that his role is out of the question (WHY was it even in question? i don't understand, someone roleclaiming @ this point holds as much weight as something that doesn't have a lot of weight at all), what else has he provided? nothing aside from repeatedly self-contradicting posts.
as for the other candidates..meh. i was keeping an updated excel sheet of ALL the people, who they vote for, who supports them, who they support, who accuses them, who they accuse, because it gets oh-so-easy to keep track of people
(i was reading thread @ work and felt like doing that)
then i get home and flip vanilla, so i suddenly get far too lazy to do that =/ maybe someone else can take over, i'll send you what i have right now (it goes up to page 35ish i think?)
oh and it has the list of all the people, their sigs, and potential themes used for clues, ordered by likelihood, since I think that getting a list of clues that could apply to a certain person, then running through the day post to see if any in fact DO match, is a far better way than vice versa (running through the post to see the people they might match to)
someone with a lot of time (randombum?) wanna do this?
ill probably end up voting for ace or randombum, since at least they're attempting logical, objective stuff ,rather than pointless subjective stuff (im looking at you, empyrean and sonuv)
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On March 19 2008 12:10 ~OpZ~ wrote:
What role did emp claim again?
dt
in other news, vote for me, im a bodyguard. i can't be killed while i'm alive. can't beat this platform, there's no logical holes in that at all
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On March 19 2008 12:11 Empyrean wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2008 12:07 JeeJee wrote:
people who vote for empyrean crack me up. if he's legit, the best he can do for us is verify the mayor then get shot by mafia, because there's no reason to vote for him at all, since saboteur will juts be laughin at us (realize that he had nobody to roleblock until empyrean went "im dt lulz!") if we elect him
I PM'd Ace something. Don't worry.
Hi FS incarnate.
How are you this fine eve?
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On March 19 2008 12:19 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2008 12:13 JeeJee wrote:On March 19 2008 12:11 Empyrean wrote:On March 19 2008 12:07 JeeJee wrote:
people who vote for empyrean crack me up. if he's legit, the best he can do for us is verify the mayor then get shot by mafia, because there's no reason to vote for him at all, since saboteur will juts be laughin at us (realize that he had nobody to roleblock until empyrean went "im dt lulz!") if we elect him
I PM'd Ace something. Don't worry. Hi FS incarnate. How are you this fine eve? *watches as JeeJee slowly stirs the shit*
Don't you mean the kal? (urbandictionary's full of shi---err kal!)
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On March 19 2008 12:21 Ace wrote:
turn that frown upside down!
and, to make this mafia related, due to a few sidebets before the game started, there's a group of 3 people (im 1 of them) that 'know' each other's roles! we could've lied of course, but we're buddies, we wouldn't do that.. i hope.
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the thing about tying up mafia's roleblocker..
it's not like they have anything better to roleblock anyway. if they want someone not to act, they can kill them, and it's unlikely that they'll find out a jack or medic any time soon (and once again, if they do, they can just kill them)
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On March 20 2008 07:47 ShadowDrgn wrote:
Doesn't look like it's going to be possible to enforce the voting rule with 34 people unaccounted for.
numbers are irrelevant, we have a few people on waiting list, get them in, randomly disperse the roles to townies (im just saying this cause im vanilla haha), and say the rest died in a tragic forest fire. no point making rules if you're not enforcing them, however harsh it may be. less dead weight for mafia to hang about in anyway (notice there's a lot less mafia relatively, 15% vs 20% so dead weight is that much more deadly)
if you really want to, give them one more chance to vote in 2nd day, but with a 48hour timeline, that really shouldn't be necessary
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im pretty certain jacks have access to 6 rolechecks. however keep in mind they cannot use the same role in consecutive days, meaning it would take 12 days for all 6 rolechecks, at the least. after all, if the checks don't refresh in count, why would the detective night lives?
hopefully chuiu can confirm, but i don't think it's a big deal to have a check every other day/night cycle for 12 cycles.
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@hotzhot, the final vote count has already been done, so..
as for ace, looking through the thread, he seems to post at every hour of every day pretty much; i wonder if he sleeps? O_o
still let's not get off on the wrong foot with forcing ace to lynch someone he might not want. we don't want the same shit that happened last game (i.e. a bad start)
there's no particular hurry anyway, the day post was posted 45 hours ago, so there's still at least 3 hours til the 'ultimate' deadline. would be silly to do anything until then
disregard that, ace is back.!
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@french toast, heros pink
firstly - the thing about excel spreadsheets. whichever one of you mentioned it, the conversation was between me and ace. however since i flipped vanilla townie, i stopped updating my excel sheet cause i honestly don't give a damn (it's stuck at around page 35ish, the conversation took page on around 40ish).
secondly, this everyone-pm-ace-their-role plan is just that, a plan. plans can go wrong in so many ways. how is this cheap? certainly if you argue that this is cheap, what about my excel spreadsheet? let's assume i wasn't lazy, and actually updated it. as soon as someone died, BAM i could go and see who supported that person, who accused that person, who that person accused, who that person supported, who he voted for, whether he changed votes, etc.
With 9+ kills per night, don't you think that's a retardedly high amount of information? add in the themes and clues i was thinking of (another tab in my excel sheet), and you get a nice suspect list, that you can fine-tune each day, as each death gives a shitload of information to the person. i almost talked myself into getting back to updating this list -_-;
both plans are just ways of getting information, which is necessary for town to win. both are within the rules, and so the game is balanced around them. i find it hard to believe that chuiu didn't take this into account. if he didn't want this to happen, he can ban PMs, plain and simple (like in tracil's game)
seriously now don't be silly
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On March 21 2008 10:51 Bockit wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2008 10:45 ~OpZ~ wrote:On March 21 2008 05:43 Fishball wrote:On March 21 2008 05:39 clazziquai wrote:
Meh, I never thought of that possibility, but I'll believe Ace for now..plus he was roleblocked, I think. So doesn't that make him not-mafia? Even though he was the mafia, why would his own fellow roleblock him? All elements aside, just this specific case as an example. If I were Mayor and Mafia, I could fake a claim that I got roleblocked so I don't use my double lynches. But I don't believe you can hide your voting power. You can't spread your votes out so your vote would always be higher than other townies IF he wasn't roleblocked, meaning he would actually be roleblocked WITHOUT a DT confirming this would show he was targeted by a mafia member. So we wouldn't need a DT to confirm mafia targeted him, which would imply his innocence also. I believe Ace now. 100%. In day, when he votes we will see him only having 1 vote and that should show us his true face regardless of a DT stepping forward. Thank you Saboteur. Unless he's lying about being roleblocked? Not that I think that's the case, I'm just pointing out that the logic you applied there isn't perfect. We already have our methods to confirm he's a townie (bodyguards, dts), I'm giving detectives until day then I'll be pretty confident he's a townie and I'll be pming my role.
why would a townie mayor lie about being roleblocked?
edit: the only thing that has me thinking is this
Meaning he tells me this before day starts and I disable that player from using their special role the following day and night.
either chuiu isn't that strict about making sure the sab tells him before day starts, or the first day is an exception
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On March 21 2008 13:56 OneBlueAugust wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2008 10:40 ~OpZ~ wrote:On March 21 2008 05:25 OneBlueAugust wrote:
This may have been clarified earlier, but activity is judged not just by forum posts, right? I've been relatively active in PMs, as I feel that's the only wise way to express my thoughts at the moment, but I haven't posted here yet at all. Active in PM's huh? Who can verify your activity? My Dota buddies. If it becomes necessary, they can back me up. Although I guess I shouldn't have said PMs, as it's been conversations off of TL.net, but it's pretty much the same thing.
i vouch for august ^_^
he's one of the group of 3 i mentioned earlier (it's actually 4 now!) that 'know' each other's roles due to sidebets from before the game.
and obviously it's in quotes because we could've lied. i wouldn't want to be a buddy with a liar though. *cough*
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@august
the person who helped run tracil's game is alethios, who is playing this game
the person who said anything about martial law was only rts)nightmare and this was in the first thread, and he is playing.
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On March 21 2008 14:22 OneBlueAugust wrote:
Seems like a few decent leads on them, then.
personally i doubt they were intended clues (at least intended to be interpreted in this way) but you never know (no but seriously, i think it's really unlikely those are clues at all, let alone clues to those people, but..)
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i'd imagine mafia are probably using an irc channel for immediate thoughts and something like a private google group for people in a diff timezone or whatnot. that's what we did in tracil's game anyway, and it worked out fairly well
anyway the day post being up has probably nothing to do with chuiu, he has to get all the night actions (more than just mafia) in before even thinking about what happens. and it's not like once they're in he instantly has a day post ready to go. have some patience ^_^
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On March 22 2008 03:57 Eti307 wrote:
Okay I was Mafia last game and here is the way I see we should do things:
Don't throw wild accusations based on nothing else but posts made in this thread. Keep in mind that clues are there to help us catch the mafia and we should base our lynch on those and not on internal struggles. Town did that last game and it really didn't help them.
I think it's pretty much impossible to accuse anyone without the first set of clues. So yeah we will lose a couple tonight but at the same time we will gain some knowledge about the mafias. Never forget that, if you accuse someone try to link him to a clue, it's the best way we have to catch them.
Lastly I didn't read all of the 88pages so far (wtf, overkill) and I don't think I will, but I will start keeping up with this thread as soon as day#2 arrive and we have the first set of clues.
we already have a set of clues in the day1 post
day 2 is gonna have the 2nd set of clues :O
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On March 22 2008 07:41 ZBiR wrote:Some of you people are sooo impatient
you sound awfully calm for a townie. maybe you know something we dont. and only way that happens is you being mafia. wanna come clean?
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On March 22 2008 10:28 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2008 07:48 JeeJee wrote:On March 22 2008 07:41 ZBiR wrote:Some of you people are sooo impatient you sound awfully calm for a townie. maybe you know something we dont. and only way that happens is you being mafia. wanna come clean? Naiiiiiib, where aaaaaare yooooooooou?
i don't get it O_o
anyway, could we get a time estiamte from chuiu? where are we at, night actions being sent, night actions received creating clues, clues done creating daypost, or..? i'm juts wondering :O
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On March 22 2008 11:05 Chuiu wrote:
I just got home and I'm trying to get a hold of Dapperdan because I think he might have gotten a head start on the day post. I'll get it up as soon as possible but he's not responding right now so I don't really want to do anything until I hear from him.
its cool, no rush
i was just asking
:O
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a recurring statement:
day1
He met him face to face halfway and pushed King Brown Snake...
day2
climbed up only to meet gaze with Mr. Brown. They traded glares and Mynock dodged...
unfortunately, i've gone through the profiles and can't seem to find anyone that has a face-to-face thing going on for them. i didn't look @ profile pics though, maybe someone could skim through those quick? :O
edit: ok current suspect list for this quote (thx to heros)pink contribution) in order of likelyhood (completely imho)
nemy - profile Pic, chick looking at her face in mirror
RowdierBob - profile pic, animation guys looking at each other
heros)pink - profile pic, 2 people looking in each other's eyes (trading glares)
omfghi2u2 - name
LemMe - quote, what's up
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ah yes it could be you too, good catch.
also, i recall someone quoting araav saying "i think i was protected, and the medic, can you PM me since you know im innocent" or something like that. well someone quoted him and said you should get a pm if you were protected.. my question is, assuming he was really protected, why would he ask for the medic to msg him? on the other hand, if he wanted the identity of the medic, it becomes more likely for his affiliation to be mafia
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On March 23 2008 00:04 Naib wrote:Show nested quote +On March 22 2008 23:47 JeeJee wrote:ah yes it could be you too, good catch. also, i recall someone quoting araav saying "i think i was protected, and the medic, can you PM me since you know im innocent" or something like that. well someone quoted him and said you should get a pm if you were protected.. my question is, assuming he was really protected, why would he ask for the medic to msg him? on the other hand, if he wanted the identity of the medic, it becomes more likely for his affiliation to be mafia You misunderstood me. You don't get a notice if you're being watched, only if you are watched, targetted by an attack and saved! Quoting the rules now to make it even more clear: "Paramedic (...) A clue will not be left behind if he is saved, the town won't know who was saved, but I will let the Paramedic and the person saved know if they were targeted and saved." I guess that also means, that for example, if 2 paramedics are protecting X, and X gets hit by 2 mafia, he won't get a notice "Hey you were hit by 2 mafia, but 2 medics saved your ass" but only "you were hit and saved". Both medics would get a PM like this in this case: "X, that you protected, was hit, but he's still alive." This way, both medics would know that the person they watched for is saved, but they wouldn't know that more than 1 medic was watching him, nor they would know if there were more than 1 mafia hits. That's my interpretation, and I'm fairly sure it's correct. If Chuiu or anyone more experienced finds a flaw in my explanation, feel free to point it out.
.....yeeeees
and? how does this justify araav wanting to know the identity of the medic
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On March 23 2008 00:38 0cz3c wrote:
I don't know about the telephone clue linking to Caller.
Chuiu made that same "clue" last mafia game and it linked to no one -- it was just part of the plot. Not being in the game last game, I suspected it to be linking to Caller as well, which it did not. It could still point to him, I'm just saying that it didn't last game and it's basically a clone of what was said last game as well. It might just be Chuiu's writing style/technique/preferences.
it actually linked to fen and his birthday
as far as i understand, the only recurring thing from last game that didn't point to anyone was people kicking stuff, so i wouldn't look too deep into any of those clues. chuiu himself said something along those lines "i like people kicking shit. it wasn't a clue that pointed to anyone else though"
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On March 24 2008 05:46 Ace wrote:
ok guys here's the situation.
I'm trying to confirm one of my DTs. So I asked the person to check out another person who's role I obviously already know.
All my other DTs passed this test, so the last DT has to do this also.
That person hasn't responded so I'm very close to lynching them because I think they can't figure out what it is (obviously because they aren't a DT).
have you went through the timestamps of his posts in this thread to confirm he's usually online at this time? if so, that's pretty damning evidence
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On March 24 2008 05:49 Ace wrote:
No I didn't even have to check if the person posted in this thread or not.
Everything will be clear soon.
well it's not like it takes any longer than a few minutes ...
it would be pretty stupid to be waiting on a reply from someone who's sleeping from say 2;00KST to 10;00KST
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On March 24 2008 05:53 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2008 05:52 JeeJee wrote:On March 24 2008 05:49 Ace wrote:
No I didn't even have to check if the person posted in this thread or not.
Everything will be clear soon.
well it's not like it takes any longer than a few minutes ... it would be pretty stupid to be waiting on a reply from someone who's sleeping from say 2;00KST to 10;00KST Thats the thing, they can't still be sleeping. I sent them something so long ago I think they are laying low.
well as long as you feel the time is reasonable enough -- keep in mind it is easter weekend
anyway, make a statement or something at the latest by 10:00KST or so, that'll give us like ~3 hours to get the votes in; should be fine
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On March 24 2008 05:56 Showtime! wrote:JeeJee, no.
no what? it's statements like these that make no sense at all. you're making me waste a post and clutter up the thread. jeez
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On March 24 2008 06:14 Showtime! wrote:Ace it isn't only that but if you look at their timezone  I know it's 'Easter Sunday' but me thinks they are lurking!! JeeJee, no. In some cases that is all that needs to be said. Minerals it is possible because not everyone has fessed up yet or so we're led to believe.
nope that's wrong.
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On March 24 2008 10:17 Energies wrote:
I'm curious to know, if Mafia vote in the vote thread, are their votes counted, or how does that aspect work?
The whole town, including the mafia, will meet and discuss this turn of events and everyone will vote for who they want lynched that day.
the original post really isn't there for show you know
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On March 24 2008 10:23 Energies wrote:
It doesn't say if their vote is counted though.
Regardless, that sucks they get even more ways to kill, but I guess thats why we have a pardoner. Is anyone monitoring the votes by the way? I have only been enlightened to this fact so I haven't been paying too much attention to any abstain or obscure votes.
.. if they can vote it would be counted. otherwise it would be a little stupid since anyone can just go "oh hey this person said he voted for X but he's not on the list"
aaaaaand there's a reason detectives have an ability to see how many mafia voted for a person to get lynched
=/
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On March 26 2008 07:01 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2008 05:39 Scorch wrote:Ace himself said that he doesn't care about clues, but behaviour exclusively This way inactive Mafia members are just as much as a burden to them. We've got a few inactive townies, but I guess having about only ~20 or less players missing isn't a big deal right? /sarcasm
it's actually not, assuming chuiu/dapperdan follows through with his promise and gets rid of them, as well as passing on their roles before night3 (after getting the waitlisted guys in, obviously). and maybe ban them from next game (if there is one) as well (just a 1-game ban, don't go nuts here)
as for the 3 spammers in this thread (aznval, showtime, shallow), stfu. a lot of people don't want to read that shit.
annnnnnnd finally, for the person who suggested we only investigate one half of the groups (since the other could be deduced from the total) -- dont. this is good assuming everyone votes, and the people who didn't previously vote also dont' vote. if this could be guaranteed, there would be a better course of action anyway (virtual splits), but since it's not a guarantee at all, both sides must still be investigated.
the good thing about doing this, is that it doesn't matter whether you want to follow along with the plan or not, because you're still following along with it. we know what the total mafia #s have to add up to, and if the people who were told to vote for someone choose to abstain, or in fact choose to vote for someone else entirely, they will affect the total, and in fact, reveal their alignment. obv there's a loophole to this (at least it looks like it - thankfully, there's a somewhat obvious prevention mechanism as well)
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whoops, sorry bout that ace. still, i can't imagine mafia didn't think of that, they'd have to be pretty retarded, and if that's the case, saying that won't help them anyway.
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On March 26 2008 12:24 Masamune wrote:I kept up with this thread after it reached 1000 posts but now.....*sigh* 
dont worry most of it is spam from people who keep telling others to stop spamming. ahh the irony.
anyway, i dont think today's 48hr thing is going to be held up, haven't heard a word from chuiu, and day posts usually take a while to write.. it's a shame -- i'm not even sure where dapperdan is so i don't think we have a backup either? hmm
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On March 27 2008 08:17 Chuiu wrote:Detectives cannot find out how many mafia abstain from voting because they're not actually voting for a person. The ability requires that they vote for a person: About the detective role, if he asks me what the role of a player is he is told what the role of the player is. For a list of roles in the game please refer to the first post under roles, theres 13 of them in total. Theres nothing unclear about this. Also, good luck to Chiui, whoever that is, I know what you're going through!
chuiu! are you planning on kicking the people who haven't voted in day2 and day1? as in, no more chances, bye bye to them, get people from waiting list in?
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On March 27 2008 09:22 Chuiu wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2008 08:49 JeeJee wrote:On March 27 2008 08:17 Chuiu wrote:Detectives cannot find out how many mafia abstain from voting because they're not actually voting for a person. The ability requires that they vote for a person: you may ask me how many mafia voted to lynch a specific person About the detective role, if he asks me what the role of a player is he is told what the role of the player is. For a list of roles in the game please refer to the first post under roles, theres 13 of them in total. Theres nothing unclear about this. Also, good luck to Chiui, whoever that is, I know what you're going through! chuiu! are you planning on kicking the people who haven't voted in day2 and day1? as in, no more chances, bye bye to them, get people from waiting list in? Well dapperdan seems to be ignoring me (probably too lazy to help or something) and I haven't had a chance to get around to that so we'll see how much time I get today after I write up the day post. Edit: Oh yeah the pain stopped again sometime late tuesday. I guess my kidney stone just wanted to randomly remind me it still exists since haven't had a chance to get a follow up cat scan done. But I'm feeling good for the time being ... but I'm probably going to need an operation or something to get this thing out of me since its been like three weeks now.
it's fine, i wouldn't want to seem like im rushing you because i'm really not. i'd rather wait another 24hr & have the people kicked out, although i suppose you can do that after day breaks as well. no hurry in any case, you've got slightly more important things on your plate
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anyone else F5'ing this like mad? xD
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fuckers.
time to read the rest of the post
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On March 27 2008 11:37 Chezinu wrote:
I wonder what blues those, update first page quickly!
looks like a medic, detective, and something else. what the fuck mafia's pretty good at hitting blues. anyway last post..
edit: i always seem to put up a good fight tho. cheers chuiu! xD
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On April 17 2008 05:33 Chuiu wrote:
I forgot to mention in day post:
If a player was killed and protected by a medic they will not be notified of being protected any longer. Just from reading the thread I can tell dead players are squealing after death and giving out information. Everyone who has done this or anyone I catch participating in the game after death will be banned from the next game no questions asked.
out of curiosity, will you enforce this rule? just wondering since uh, you didn't at all enforce your 'be active or get banned' rule. just curious.
edit: well apparently there was no consequence for not following the 'be active' rule, so technically you did enforce it. my bad.
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On April 17 2008 09:28 HeRoS)Pink wrote:Show nested quote +On April 17 2008 09:04 JeeJee wrote:On April 17 2008 05:33 Chuiu wrote:
I forgot to mention in day post:
If a player was killed and protected by a medic they will not be notified of being protected any longer. Just from reading the thread I can tell dead players are squealing after death and giving out information. Everyone who has done this or anyone I catch participating in the game after death will be banned from the next game no questions asked. out of curiosity, will you enforce this rule? just wondering since uh, you didn't at all enforce your 'be active or get banned' rule. just curious. edit: well apparently there was no consequence for not following the 'be active' rule, so technically you did enforce it. my bad. I think pretty much everyone is active but some arent posting and missing vote due to either hide themselves or cause they were busy one week with school/work or anything personnal.
yes well if you're not posting or voting, you can hardly be considered active now can you. even doing just one isn't enough imo, both should be present. anyway this is a sidetrack, i trust chuiu to figure something out for next game if there is one
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lol i can't believe the mafia are complaining about replacing inactive townies
hey, maybe the number of kills you get should be related to the number of active mafia. wait no that wouldn't work because mafia don't have as much of a reason to 'afk out' from the game because they have a role
unless you actually have a suggestion as to how to fix the inactive problem aside from replacing them, then crying won't help at all. keep in mind this game is balanced when all the townies are active. the only reason this game is close is because half the town is afk.
IMO replacing is still the way to go except now just list them as "players" rather than "townies" as townie implies innocence (although a mafioso is still a townie, else he wouldn't be able to vote)
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On July 13 2008 05:22 randombum wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2008 03:45 JeeJee wrote:
lol i can't believe the mafia are complaining about replacing inactive townies
hey, maybe the number of kills you get should be related to the number of active mafia. wait no that wouldn't work because mafia don't have as much of a reason to 'afk out' from the game because they have a role
unless you actually have a suggestion as to how to fix the inactive problem aside from replacing them, then crying won't help at all. keep in mind this game is balanced when all the townies are active. the only reason this game is close is because half the town is afk.
IMO replacing is still the way to go except now just list them as "players" rather than "townies" as townie implies innocence (although a mafioso is still a townie, else he wouldn't be able to vote) First, we are not complaining about replacing inactive players, we are complaining about replacing players and declaring their role. Also, If the game is balanced when all the townies are active, and it is close with 1/2 the town inactive then it clearly isn't balanced if the whole town was here. Finally, there are more inactive mafia than everybody is suggesting, Theres at least 5 or 6 already dead mafia who weren't involved or were barely involved in our actions at all.
p1: that's fine, if only it'd have happened. I guess to make it clear, Chuiu could refer to them as participants or whatever and not color their name if it helps you
p2: yes. let's not forget the fact that mafia got the list of the blues too
p3: yes. now if only it affected you guys somehow... you know, similar to how it's affecting town right now
=)
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On July 13 2008 23:44 MasterOfChaos wrote:Show nested quote +Jeejee, If the game was balanced with everybody playing, then how does only 1/2 the town playing + us getting the list of blues + it still being close have the game balanced? I agree with that. The town made several really bad mistakes and still came out ahead, and only might lose due to inactivity in the end. (Yes the mafia wasn't too efficient with distributing their killingpower, but the town mistakes were FAR bigger than that). But of cause clues are extremly hard to balance. If you have sb like Plexa who gets much info from them they help town very much, if not the game easily swings the other way. I also have no idea what mafia/town ratio is good for such a game, as I'm only used to much smaller games with different rules (no clues, no major).
mostly because the mafia sucked. i do think you underestimate the mistakes mafia made this game.
edit: personally i do think the initial ratios were in town's favor (although not by much)
this game could've easily went both ways.
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very good job Chuiu w/ this game =)
hopefully there's a cap of players in the next game
Start:March 13 2008
End: August 05 2008
Days: 146
i doubt a lot of people would want a 'twice-a-year' mafia game xD
in fact we could probably squeeze in a quick game (~30 people) before Chuiu's september game rolls around
anyone up for administrating it? =)
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