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On March 18 2008 16:40 Ace wrote:


I like to start the game off with weeding out strats that are easy to follow - this controls discussion and gives everyone focal points.

One of the biggest reasons the Townies always lose is because they start posting nonsense, arguing about retarded shit, revenge voting, and seem to listen to the most nonsense posts for voting someone to get lynched.

With weeding strats:

1.) We keep the focus on a few people
2.) allows the Detectives to split up their work. If they see the town gunning for some people, they can investigate OTHER people. This is a major help.
3.) Mafia members can no longer sit back and watch the town kill themselves - they have to get in on discussions. This way, they are in the spotlight just like we need them to be.

On March 18 2008 16:52 ahrara_ wrote:

Ghar, your plan is seriously flawed. I don't think you've thought this through, which is why I'm going to encourage people not to vote for you. If there was a contest over best election poster however, you'd win by a landslide.

There are four detectives. They can use their role finding abilities twice in the game, and once a day. However, noone knows who the detectives are. A mafia mayor could have a fellow mobster, even two, pretend to be detectives and report that you're the mayor. You could have the detectives detect the detectives, but that'd cause the same problem, and the real detectives would be using their abilities in vain. So it's not that easy, but at least it's better than what FS did.

edit:

For chrissake, if you're going to run for mayor, do more than a half-assed job. Can't be worse than fakesteve doesn't cut it.

Taipan Snake is an Australian snake, and you are from Australia, so there is a chance you are mafia!

Ghar's plan sounds reasonable, but the detectives can do that for every mayor and not just not him. I don't see a real flaw in the plan, but I am hoping a more experienced mafia player can point out one or two. I can't be that easy. Also, is it worth it for the mafia to loose one member like that if they can take out the mayor and 1 or 2 detectives? (Sorry for being such a noob).

How would you know they are actually DTs though, could just as easily be mafia saying "hay, I checked you out, you're legit, and I'm a DT". Given that would mean more than four people would message you, but you still wouldn't know who is lying. Not to mention of not all DTs are active, or follow the plan.

let's analyze a bit.

In case you happen to be a mafia and a detective finds it out, mafia sacrifies a simple member to a town's ability to have extra mafia lynches. sounds very appealing from mafia's perspective.

so this is NOT a good, convincing plan. And you still did nothing for me not to suspect you.

Well, keeping track of the profiles, etc. does benefit us, but more to the point, he bothered to do it. If he was Mafia, that would be a questionable move: who knows how long it would take for us to get the information together otherwise? Therefore I think that araav's using his programming skills to help the town is an indication that he is a towny.

He's not guaranteed to become mayor. You're right, it doesn't prove he's a towny--we can play the double-feint game forever--but it's still something. At the end of the day, the Mafia doesn't want the list up, and if they can get away with no one posting it, they would prefer that.

But you missed the full quote.
Ghar's quote refers to this situation:
(This is a direct cut-paste from http://www.nevadadailymail.com/blogs/stevemoyer/entry/16036/)

"When the Marines were cut off behind enemy lines and the Army had written the 1st Marine Division off as being lost because they were surrounded by 22 enemy divisions. The Marines made it out inflicting the highest casualty ratio on an enemy in history and destroying 7 entire enemy divisions in the process. It generated three versions of a Chesty Puller quote. I'm not sure which is accurate but they are all quotable."
One of the quotes is the one in the sig.

Ghar:
So far, all we know about him is that he registered for the forum for the mafia game, and that his plan of action is for all the detectives to PM him. I don't really like this, because the best scenario is a guy who knows who all the detectives are, with the addition of a few mafia. The worst scenario is a mafioso who is willing to sacrifice himself in return for denying the town a mayor and as many detectives as possibile.

Ghar's "detective" propostion has a high cost: we blow half of our detectives' most important ability on the first night. What do we gain for losing this? We know whether or not our mayor is Mafia. But this is not even such valuable information! If he is elected already, there is nothing we can do about losing the double lynches. THE "DETECTIVE PLAN" IS NOT WORTH IT.

On March 20 2008 07:01 Wysp wrote:
I just want to comment, we can't go crazy with detective role checking. Only get a couple shots with it and there are plenty of people.

On March 20 2008 08:40 Bockit wrote:
Only flaw I can think of is with the "detectives remain silent for innocence". That assumes that at least one detective / 4 will use up 1 of their rolecheckers, and not all 4 will think, oh one of the others is sure to do it.

Though I'm not suggesting we should kill of a detective to confirm, OR that the plan is massively flawed, I'm just pointing out.

That is unless I'm missing something...

Also, why is everyone so confident that Ace and randombum are clean? While Ace's plan is pretty good, that shouldn't guarantee his innocence.

I have a concern with Ace's plan:

suppose that the mayor is townie and all the bodyguards get the right messages

then suppose that a mafia false claims that hes a bodyguard.

that means we'll end up killing several bodyguards and potentially the mayor for a mafiaso. not a good trade.

On March 20 2008 09:33 HeRoS)Pink wrote:


what I mean is that its useless to quote what someone say if u remove his name, it could be a fake quote just to fuck everyone, i dont mean its what he's doing but it would be better to leave the name in the quote to avoid such thing

On March 26 2008 17:01 Alethios wrote:

On that point:

Ace is not suggesting we Cross Reference. His plan involves splitting the list and re-checking numbers.

Cross referencing is taking a new sample, and a new number... and seeing how many people are on both lists, how many people suddenly dropped out from voting. How many people aren't on either list and so forth.

Working with abstained voters:

Chuiu, can detectives check abstain lists?

We can ask why they abstained, check the number of times they abstain, look for patterns of inactivity or unwillingness to vote... Suggesting that abstaining voters aren't able to be examined is highly flawed. (Remember inactive non-voters are kicked).

On March 28 2008 11:44 Showtime! wrote:
I have a big fucking complaint which might get this game closed.

Our 'programmer' from Armenia decided to take it upon himself to infiltrate a chatroom where many of our key players were located. :. he knows many of our key players and this is just down right wrong. We might have to re-start the bloody game now. This is obviously against the rules. I'm down right pissed. Ban araav please you unethical bastard.

On March 29 2008 01:52 Showtime! wrote:
I have an idea:

For extra-motivation I would like to place bets with other regular townies.

This is how it works: you place your wager, it can be anything!!

i.e. paypal money bet, quote bet, profile bet, etc.

Both betters must submit a suspect list of 20 players they believe to be mafia.

At the end of the game when all the mafia are revealed, the person with the most correct wins.

Fairly simple no?

The bet is only valid if the two betters are townies.

On March 29 2008 03:49 Kau wrote:


You're suppose to use your second vote on anyone but the original 4 (suspect 1, suspect 2, ace, randombum). I think the goal is to kill both suspects, so the second votes must be spread thinly enough so that this happens.