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MTF
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States1739 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-04-19 04:13:55
April 19 2008 04:11 GMT
#4885
oops

Edit2: Well, I guess it wouldn't hurt to just leave it up here.


Sorry to be flooding your PM box. : x

Have you happened to have read Crazie-Penguin's blog?

He puts up some spoilers and says that the picture below is for the town, that mafia/bystanders shouldn't look. The picture is a disturbing one, a baby with a skin disease.

I think it's safe to say we've got him, even though I was pretty positive before. :p

Also, I checked throughout the rest of his blog posts; ieatkids and Blind had never posted in one before (though they're all just girly pic posts, so)


Show nested quote +
On April 18 2008 12:20 ieatkids5 wrote:
On April 18 2008 12:10 BlindAlbino wrote:
ugh I went from bottom to top

I was so turned on at the beginning then it just got worst and worst...

ROFLMAO
Think. :)
MTF
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States1739 Posts
April 19 2008 07:02 GMT
#4897
On April 19 2008 15:50 clazziquai wrote:
Nice! We're finally on the right track ^^

Great job MTF, but am I still on your suspect list?


You've become a consistently less strong suspect to me for California Mountain Snake, but now I'm pretty sure Plexa has you in his sights for Mr. Orange.

So, no time to rejoice leaving my findings as you just fell into his. :p

As for this night phase, I don't know what the hell I'm going to do. I just want a new day and new clues to come now. XD

I'm not finding anything new as I go over the day posts (though Plexa's associate is; go super associate go!), so anyone out there looking to clear their names off the suspect list/clear others/find new suspects please, please go at it. We're making progress, but town needs as many actives as it can get trying to pin down mafia.
Think. :)
MTF
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States1739 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-04-19 10:31:53
April 19 2008 09:09 GMT
#4901
Things To Note:

Day 2 vote = day we killed Mandalor.
Day 4 vote = last vote a detective was alive. People not voting/avoiding big lists that might be checked before this day, but start voting a lot afterwards, should come under suspicion.
Day 5 vote = day we killed Evilmonkey.

Also, some Mafia that did not wish to abstain/not vote may have come up with the idea to constantly vote one person/only vote against people who others were not voting for. BlindAlbino did just this until the day our last detective died, then he hopped onto the wagon with the majority of the towns vote.


Known Mafia Voting Patterns:
+ Show Spoiler [List] +


Crazie-Penguin:

Mayoral Vote: Randombum
Day 2: Abstain
Day 3: Abstain
Day 4: Abstain
Day 5: No vote.
Day 6: L, died during this vote.


BlindAlbino:

Mayoral vote: Randombum *switched to near the end*
Day 2: str
Day 3: str
Day 4: araav
Day 5: Evilmonkey and Siefu


Mandalor:

Mayoral vote: Ace
Day 2: Abstain, died during this vote.


Queasy:

Mayoral vote: Randombum *switched to near the end*
Day 2: No vote.
Day 3: No vote.
Day 4: No vote, died this cycle.


d.arkive:

Mayoral vote: Last Romantic
Day 2: No vote.
Day 3: Bumatlarge, no second vote.
Day 4: No vote.
Day 5: Died this cycle.


Evilmonkey:

Mayoral vote: No vote.
Day 2: Ghar
Day 3: Ace, and abstain.
Day 4: Abstain
Day 5: Died this cycle.



Known Mafia Total:
+ Show Spoiler [List] +


Mayoral vote:
Randombum - 3
Ace - 1
Last Romantic - 1
No vote - 1

Day 2:
Abstain or no vote - 4
Ghar - 1
str - 1

Day 3:
Abstain or no vote - 2
Ace - 1
Bumatlarge - 1
str - 1

Day 4:
Abstain or no vote - 4
araav - 1

Day 5:
No vote - 2
Evilmonkey/Siefu - 1

Day 6:
L - 1




Major Suspect Voting Patterns:
+ Show Spoiler [List] +


ieatkids5:

Mayoral vote: No vote.
Day 2: Mandalor
Day 3: Ghar, no second vote.
Day 4: Abstain.
Day 5: Evilmonkey and Siefu.
Day 6: Crazie-Penguin


L:

Mayoral vote: Randombum
Day 2: Mandalor
Day 3: Wurm, no second vote.
Day 4: TranceStorm
Day 5: Evilmonkey and Siefu
Day 6: Nemy (for giggles)


suresh0t:

Mayoral vote: Randombum
Day 2: Mandalor
Day 3: Wurm, no second vote.
Day 4: Abstain.
Day 5: Evilmonkey and Siefu.
Day 6: No vote.


Ninja4ever.:

Mayoral vote: Randombum
Day 2: Mandalor
Day 3: Wurm, no second vote.
Day 4: No vote.
Day 5: No vote.
Day 6: No vote.


0cz3c:

Mayoral vote: Randombum
Day 2: Mandalor
Day 3: Ghar, no second vote.
Day 4: No vote.
Day 5: No vote.
Day 6: No vote.


Clazziquai:

Mayoral vote: Randombum
Day 2: Mandalor
Day 3: Wurm, no second vote.
Day 4: No vote.
Day 5: No vote.
Day 6: L


nemY:

Mayoral vote: Empyrean
Day 2: Mandalor
Day 3: Showtime! *one mafia in this list*
Day 4: No vote, seemed to miss the count.
Day 5: Bugzitooni, no second vote.
Day 6: L


Ziel:

Mayoral vote: Ghar
Day 2: No vote.
Day 3: Abstain.
Day 4: No vote.
Day 5: No vote.
Day 6: No vote.


ulszz:

Mayoral vote: No vote.
Day 2: No vote.
Day 3: Showtime! *one mafia in this list*
Day 4: No vote.
Day 5: No vote.
Day 6: No vote.


Spoinka:

Mayoral vote: Ace
Day 2: No vote.
Day 3: No vote.
Day 4: No vote.
Day 5: No vote.
Day 6: No vote.


jtan:

Mayoral vote: No vote.
Day 2: No vote.
Day 3: No vote.
Day 4: No vote.
Day 5: No vote.
Day 6: No vote.


DamageControl:

Mayoral vote: No vote.
Day 2: No vote.
Day 3: No vote.
Day 4: No vote.
Day 5: No vote.
Day 6: No vote.


Dr.Dragoon:

Mayoral vote: Randombum *first vote*
Day 2: Kuja900 *who voted for him*
Day 3: Abstain.
Day 4: Abstain.
Day 5: No vote.
Day 6: L


Scorch:

Mayoral vote: Fusion
Day 2: Mandalor
Day 3: Wurm, bumatlarge
Day 4: Abstain.
Day 5: Siefu, no second vote.
Day 6: Crazie-Penguin *first vote*


Lysithea:

Mayoral vote: Randombum
Day 2: Mandalor
Day 3: Wurm, no second vote.
Day 4: Abstain.
Day 5: Evilmonkey, Siefu
Day 6: Dr.Dragoon *first vote*


SoMuchBetter:

Mayoral vote: No vote.
Day 2: Mandalor
Day 3: No vote.
Day 4: No vote.
Day 5: No vote.
Day 6: No vote.


ZBiR:

Mayoral vote: Fusion
Day 2: Mandalor
Day 3: Wurm, BlindAlbino
Day 4: No vote.
Day 5: No vote.
Day 6: No vote.


str:

Mayoral vote: No vote.
Day 2: No vote.
Day 3: No vote.
Day 4: No vote.
Day 5: No vote.
Day 6: No vote.


Artanis[xP]:

Mayoral vote: Ace
Day 2: Mandalor
Day 3: Wurm, no second vote.
Day 4: No vote.
Day 5: Evilmonkey, Siefu
Day 6: Crazie-Penguin



RtS)Night[Mare:

Mayoral vote: Empyrean
Day 2: Mandalor
Day 3: Ghar, Showtime!
Day 4: Abstain.
Day 5: Evilmonkey, Siefu
Day 6: Crazie-Penguin



Major Suspect Summary:
+ Show Spoiler [List] +


People who never voted, ever: 3

Mayoral vote:
Randombum - 7
Ace - 2
Fusion - 2
Empyrean - 2
Ghar - 1

(no votes/abstains from this point won't include Spoinka who never voted after Mayoral election)

Day 2:
Mandalor - 13
Kuja900 - 1

Day 3:
Wurm - 7
Showtime! - 3
Ghar - 3
BlindAlbino - 1
bumatlarge - 1
No vote - 1

Day 4:
No vote/abstain - 13

Day 5:
No vote/abstain - 9
Evilmonkey/Siefu - 5
Siefu - 1
Bugzitooni - 1

Day 6:
No vote/abstain - 7
Crazie-Penguin - 3
L - 3
Dr.Dragoon - 1
Nemy - 1



Suspect Numbers (Combined Mafia/suspects):


No votes/no votes after mayoral election: 5 (1 mafia, 4 suspects)

Mayoral vote: Randombum - 10 (3 Mafia, 7 suspects)
Day 2: No suspect matches.
Day 3: No suspect matches.
Day 4: No vote/abstain - 17 (4 Mafia, 13 suspects)
Day 5: No vote/abstain - 11 (2 Mafia, 9 suspects)
Day 6: No vote/abstain - 7 (7 suspects)


Finally,


Someone I Suspect Through Vote Analysis:
+ Show Spoiler [List] +

Bugzitooni:

Mayoral vote: No vote.
Day 2: nemY
Day 3: No vote.
Day 4: nemY
Day 5: No vote.
Day 6: nemY

Mainly because he has only ever voted nemY and has multiple instances of non voting between. He was also defended by BlindAlbino, which may or may not have been a trick (as the defense of MidnightGladius was).


People Blind protected:

LostYourSkills
Lysithea
Queasy - Comfirmed Mafia
MidnightGladius - Confirmed innocent.
Bugzitooni
Mandalor - Comfirmed Mafia
Think. :)
MTF
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States1739 Posts
April 19 2008 09:16 GMT
#4902
+ Show Spoiler +

On April 19 2008 16:47 Plexa wrote:
This is the current debate - who is guilty? nemY or ulszz?

+ Show Spoiler +
"Just let us go, you can run things(Engine?) however you please once we're gone" he said, and with that turned to the nearest exit(Pit stop?). A few paces and he thought he was home(End of the race?) free but Joe called out "Stop him! You heard Eddie, either you're with us or you're permanently not, make your choice now!". DapperDan flinched at the thought, he gauged(as in a car gauge) the distance to the door and what he would need to do to get there.(Fuel?)

Solemn but seeing a promising future the two returned to the room where Eddie and Joe were starting to lay out plans. Maybe another connection

He figured the man was still drunk and cleaned himself up to get ready to leave but stopped as he noticed (someone driving down the road) obviously looking for someone. LucasWoJ waved him down and (Joe got out of the car.) "Is this your friend?" LucasWoJ asked as he pointed to Sidewinder, lying next to a pool of vomit. "Yeah thats him alright, always drinking a little too much" said Joe as he pulled Sidewinder into the back of the car with the help of LucasWoJ. "Well thanks for the help, but I'm afraid my friend was supposed to give you something" said Joe as he turned to face LucasWoj. He was confused in his response and didn't really want anything to do with the two anymore so he decided to be short and walk back toward his van. But Joe pulled out a gun and shot LucasWoJ dead saying "he was supposed to kill you".

Joe gave Mr. Blue a thumbs up for effort as he grabbed and held onto aZnvaLiaNce from behind. Joe kept a tight grip (To the steering wheel, or clutch?) as California Mountain Snake took out his own weapon of choice.


"Driving round and round (car connection) until its dawn
To look for you in rooms we used to go
I held you back, (joe always does this) I had to set you free
But now I know what’s meant to be"

This links to joe very strongly (its intuitive but if youre really not sold leave a comment) and the quoted section comes from the song in nemY's profile

OR


+ Show Spoiler +
Mr. Blue got in the last word, before they finished up their little meeting, and said "Lets just hope the right mayor gets elected, that would speed things up as the town declares martial law." They all nodded in agreement, but no one knew how the elections tomorrow would turn out.

Mr. Blue pulled out the secret weapon he always wanted to kill someone with, a chainsaw. He tugged on the chord to get it started and aZnvaLiaNce shot up from his seat instantly and turned around to see the three men standing at the doorway. Mr. Blue lunged toward him aiming for his chest but aZnvaLiaNce dodged to the side and screamed out in pain as the chainsaw shredded down the side of his arm. Mr. Blue went in for another attack but this time aZnvaLiaNce was quicker and dived past Mr. Blue as he broke the chain of the saw on the metal part of the cubicle wall. (he's terrible at this stuff) Joe gave Mr. Blue a thumbs up for effort as he grabbed and held onto aZnvaLiaNce from behind.


Whats the connection? When you're a novice you need support from your friends to keep going, encouragement when you do things right and help when you fucked things up. At the end of the day, the mafia are supporting Mr Blue because he is a "noob" and that brings me to the suspect ulszz due to his quote
Show nested quote +
Game focus: Build more drones, i'm a noob, i need reminding.

+ Show Spoiler +
Mr. Blue got in the last word, before they finished up their little meeting, and said "Lets just hope the right mayor gets elected, that would speed things up as the town declares martial law." They all nodded in agreement, but no one knew how the elections tomorrow would turn out.

Mr. Blue pulled out the secret weapon he always wanted to kill someone with, a chainsaw. He tugged on the chord to get it started and aZnvaLiaNce shot up from his seat instantly and turned around to see the three men standing at the doorway. Mr. Blue lunged toward him aiming for his chest but aZnvaLiaNce dodged to the side and screamed out in pain as the chainsaw shredded down the side of his arm. Mr. Blue went in for another attack but this time aZnvaLiaNce was quicker and dived past Mr. Blue as he broke the chain of the saw on the metal part of the cubicle wall. (he's terrible at this stuff) Joe gave Mr. Blue a thumbs up for effort as he grabbed and held onto aZnvaLiaNce from behind.


Whats the connection? When you're a novice you need support from your friends to keep going, encouragement when you do things right and help when you fucked things up. At the end of the day, the mafia are supporting Mr Blue because he is a "noob" and that brings me to the suspect ulszz due to his quote
Show nested quote +
Game focus: Build more drones, i'm a noob, i need reminding.


Now im pretty certain one of them is mafia - but which one?


For those who don't get why we're debating between these two:

+ Show Spoiler +

8-CDRdude
19-ulszz
27-nemY(2)
34-RtS)Night[Mare(2)
48-qrs(2)
51-araav(2)
52-iNfuNdiBuLuM(2)
85-ahrara_(2)


One of those eight is mafia, and Ulszz/nemY are the only ones we have connected clues with.

I'm personally leaning more towards nemY on this one. Ulszz has only ever voted once (Showtime!), which more denotes possible inactivity than intentional lurking to me. On the other hand, nemY did not vote for Evilmonkey/Siefu, he is on the Mandalor list as well as this one, and I feel the clues linking to him to Joe are stronger than those linking Ulszz to Blue.
Think. :)
MTF
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States1739 Posts
April 19 2008 10:03 GMT
#4905
On April 19 2008 18:54 Ninja4ever. wrote:
Ok, i didn't have time to see the thread since day 2/3.
So i'm still very suspect. I saw even plexa suspect me now, while he was defending me at the beginning, I'm quite sad about it.
Well, if you find ONE clue pointing to my quote, and not only to my aka, you'll have strong evidence that i'm mafia. But at the moment i don't think you've something. ( I could be wrong though, since I didn't take the time to read all these pages )


Most people are linked only by a single aspect; Queasy, Crazie-Penguin, Mandalor, and Evilmonkey were all linked by name alone, while d.arkive was based off his image (I believe).
Think. :)
MTF
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States1739 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-04-19 10:15:23
April 19 2008 10:09 GMT
#4906
On April 19 2008 18:54 Scorch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 19 2008 18:16 MTF wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +

8-CDRdude
19-ulszz
27-nemY(2)
34-RtS)Night[Mare(2)
48-qrs(2)
51-araav(2)
52-iNfuNdiBuLuM(2)
85-ahrara_(2)


One of those eight is mafia, and Ulszz/nemY are the only ones we have connected clues with.


I do have another suspect among these, RtS)Night[Mare.
Show nested quote +
On April 19 2008 02:55 Scorch wrote:
Not a supervillain, but my own take on Mr. Pink
+ Show Spoiler +
"Yes, but lets not be hasty, we should take care when proceeding" (wisdom, cool-headed planning) commented Mr. Pink as he began going over the plans.

Mr. Pink responded by reminding them that death was now a normal thing in Liquidia (unemotional remark). As he held up the top portion of Mynocks head, the bottom on the ground a few feet away after falling apart from the buckshot (gruesome, macabre), the two men became filled with shock.

He struck him down with ease and met gaze with Mr. Pink right away but wasn't prepared for the punch to the face soon after

OneBlueAugust was getting up ready to fight Mr. Pink but slipped on some gooey substance on the ground. Sidewinder was still on the ground but Mr. Pink had found a weapon to use against OneBlueAugust. Using the long hair as a handle and the head as a weight Mr. Pink smashed OneBlueAugust continually with Mynocks head (same again). OneBlueAugust crawled past the substance he had slipped on and stumbled to his feet as Mr. Pink ditched Mynocks now misshaped and broken head to the side. Mr. Pink found the rest of the fight easy as OneBlueAugust struggled to defend himself against an able fighter (gained a "level-up" from Mynock's pain?). Blow after blow came and finally OneBlueAugust fell to the ground with no strength left to live (energy leeched out of him?).

Mr. Pink and Mr. Brown were standing just in front of his phone and as he glanced at it Mr. Brown picked it up and said "oh you want this?" and smashed it on the table breaking it in two. "Sorry we can't have you doing that, allow me to introduce myself I'm Mr. Brown and my quiet friend here is Mr. Pink. We're here to kill you." said Mr. Brown as he pulled a gun out of his coat. Fishball was stricken with fear, he got on his knees and begged for their mercy. Mr. Pink said something to Mr. Brown and instead of shooting Fishball, they viciously beat him till he fell unconscious. (Mr. Pink wants to beat him to death slowly for additional pain, instead of shooting him dead quickly. Mr.Brown obeys because Mr.Pink is considered wise and cold-minded.) Fishball died a few hours later to internal bleeding.

From this, I extract two major themes: bloodlust/violence/sadism and thoughtfulness/wisdom/considerateness. Bind this to RtS)Night[Mare's profile text:
"Pain makes one suffer.
Suffering makes one think.
Thinking makes one wise.
And Wisdom makes life bearable."
Nightmare gains wisdom/strength by pain (of his victims?). This fits perfectly with Mr.Pink's brutality and sadism, and it also explains Mr.Pink's smartness and good thinking. If you want to take the "supervillain or being with superhuman powers" route, a "Nightmare" or "Incubus" is also a demon, which drains energy from its victim and would probably be a strong fighter.


I'd say ulszz > NightMare > nemY.


Hmm.

But, of those three, only nemY is on the Mandalor list. This boosts his chance of being the Mafia among them greatly, as Mandalor list is 1/4 odds of hitting a Mafia, Showtime! list at 1/8. In other words, outside of the Showtime! list, Ulszz or Nightmare would have to be one of four Mafia left in seventy-seven people vs nemY being one of ten Mafia left in forty people.

Statistically alone, strength lies in nemY's case being Mafia, and I feel most strongly that his clues match up.

Er, nevermind. Nightmare is on the Mandalor list. That strengthens his case opposed to Ulszz for me, but of the two I still feel nemY is the prime choice.
Think. :)
MTF
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States1739 Posts
April 19 2008 10:30 GMT
#4909
On April 19 2008 19:15 Scorch wrote:
Wrong. Night[Mare voted for Mandalor too.
+ Show Spoiler +
On March 24 2008 13:44 Chuiu wrote:
Final Vote Count:
[...]
Mandalor - 58
Ace
Showtime!
ShaLLoW[baY]
qrs
clazziquai
ahrara_
Falcynn
ZBiR
unsoundlogic
BWdero
GeneralStan
Scorch
nemY
MidnightGladius
decafchicken
L
Empyrean
Eti307
suresh0t
randombum
Lysithea
French_Toast
New104
Kau
Artanis[Xp]
Ninja4ever.
Naib
JeeJee
Hittegods
SoleSteeler
Romance_us
Plexa
LucasWoJ
Caller
Fishball
RtS)Night[Mare
Jimtudor
GranDim
Lenwe
Alethios
NatsuTerran
0cz3c
Last Romantic
zeks
Pangolin
SpiritoftheTuna
Unforgiven_ve
Energies
BloodyC0bbler
iNfuNdiBuLuM
SoMuchBetter
Camlito
bumatlarge
fanatacist
ieatkids5
~OpZ~
SonuvBob
Siefu
butidigress

[...]



Edit: I'm too slow, you already found that out yourself


As a sort of apology (and to sate my own curiosity), I found and added Nightmare's voting history to the post above. :p
Think. :)
MTF
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States1739 Posts
April 20 2008 09:43 GMT
#4929
On April 20 2008 18:28 Naib wrote:
I think we should get rid of Eti and SoleSteeler the next double lynch, those accusations seem foolproof. And we need to reduce mafia numbers as fast as we can. (Unless you can find a clue that points to the sabouteur himself, but I doubt such things exists.)


One of our votes is definitely counting on whether or not L is proven innocent tonight.

I'd also personally lynch any of the following before Sole:

DamageControl
Ninja4ever.
ieatkids5
suresh0t
Clazziquai

One probably will be Eti or Ulszz, though. Depends on what the new clues reveal and if L is proven innocent or not.
Think. :)
MTF
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States1739 Posts
April 20 2008 20:13 GMT
#4941
O, and guys...

He handed Sidewinder a drug to help him recover and started back to his van but Sidewinder reached into his coat pocket and pulled out a note. "LucasWoJ" was written on it and he quickly chased him and tackled him to the ground.


We know that quote had nothing to do with Queasy. If Ulszz does come up mafia, I would consider this strong evidence that other mafia can and do get referred to indirectly, as Ulszz's quote says that he's a newb and needs reminding.
Think. :)
MTF
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States1739 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-04-20 20:32:16
April 20 2008 20:30 GMT
#4943
On April 21 2008 05:29 RtS)Night[Mare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 21 2008 05:13 MTF wrote:
O, and guys...

He handed Sidewinder a drug to help him recover and started back to his van but Sidewinder reached into his coat pocket and pulled out a note. "LucasWoJ" was written on it and he quickly chased him and tackled him to the ground.


We know that quote had nothing to do with Queasy. If Ulszz does come up mafia, I would consider this strong evidence that other mafia can and do get referred to indirectly, as Ulszz's quote says that he's a newb and needs reminding.


sidewinder cant be the one needing reminding, as mr blue is the newb. :S


Being exactly what I said. :p

Queasy = Sidewinder who was the only Mafia on the scene at the time (Joe showed up later)

Being reminded directly connects to Ulszz's quote, so all I'm saying is that if Ulszz comes up mafia, we can be pretty sure that there are clues we've missed by not looking everywhere. All of our mafia pinning thus far has only been on the traits that individual mafia have shown, not by related phrases/traits that have been shown while a different mafia was active.
Think. :)
MTF
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States1739 Posts
April 20 2008 21:09 GMT
#4946
On April 21 2008 05:44 fusionsdf wrote:
or you know,

since its a note

with someones name on it

who dies because of the note

almost like a deathnote


There is

that,

too.

Well, both L (provided there are no miracles in his favor) and Ulszz are likely to be pushed for lynching next day phase, anyway. :p

I'll look for other possible indirect links later tonight.
Think. :)
MTF
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States1739 Posts
April 20 2008 22:05 GMT
#4948
On April 21 2008 06:20 L wrote:
There is another person in this game with a name related to death note besides me. Should be pretty darn easy to figure out given the death note remix thread in general at the moment.


Being?

I glanced through the thread and found nobody matching up to Matsuda, and the only person from the Mafia game in the thread is fusion, who is confirmed innocent by the lists.

Honestly, it just seems like you're floundering to me. First you tried to disprove the clues linking you in a rather weak way, then you said you had a suspect for Enigma other than yourself, but refused to say who, and now you say that someone can be related from that thread without saying who it is.

Being vague does not help you unless you are intentionally trying to misdirect. Prove me wrong here and point out who you suspect and who it is here that can be linked to Death Note as well, and then we can get started on going somewhere with your input.
Think. :)
MTF
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States1739 Posts
April 20 2008 22:48 GMT
#4950
On April 21 2008 07:24 L wrote:
Its not Matsuda.

Its the main character of the series, being the guy screaming out to matsuda in those videos, the guy who gives grimaces, the who who has a fake note written, the guy who is righteous and believes that he's the only one who can fix things.

Enigma isn't L. Enigma is Yagami Light.



Watch 2:05.


Who would you link Yagami Light to? Amber[Light] is the only one with a name linking to such that I can find.

I do admit, the correlation between Enigma's quote of being the ones to rid the world of good is much stronger related to Light than L being a "force of justice".

Ohba also describes Light as having a "warped" "desire to be godlike," bearing love for his family, and intending to transform the world into "a better place.""


The fact that he is a genius also adds to his notion that only he is fit to judge humanity and steer it on a proper moral course.


and the false detective notes,

Light is later nominated by L's investigation team (who are unaware that he is Kira) to act as L, due to the fact that they cannot reveal the death of the real L to the world. Light also takes over the role of L's assistant, Watari. Now able to act as both Kira and L, Light can continue killing criminals while leading the investigation team in circles.


I think L might actually be on to something, but we still have to account for the medic inconsistency.
Think. :)
MTF
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States1739 Posts
April 21 2008 07:16 GMT
#4963
Well, I looked through the pages and didn't find that much. Perhaps I'm just not looking hard enough/well enough. I'm probably unintentionally skipping over words from having read them already so many times. XD

Anyway, here are the only links I can draw;

L to Enigma to Investigation:
+ Show Spoiler +

head out to investigate
went up the stairs to investigate
up to investigate
over to them to investigate
inspecting his window

Investigation appears quite frequently, and if L turns up red (as it is seeming he will upon further personal investigation into the medic matter), I'd say that this pointed to him.



ieatkids5 to Mr.White to Laziness:
+ Show Spoiler +

Noticing a mafia walking down from the break room

This is the only thing I could find. The mafia is never named specifically, but I feel strongly that ieatkids5 is mafia, and is Mr. White.



Finally, something I know people are going to be on my ass about,

Str to Cottonmouth to Words:
+ Show Spoiler +

Alright, I'll admit that I searched this because I can't find anyone with links to 44 other than str; if someone can find a stronger candidate, go for it. This is my summary for str relatedness:

Day 1:

Words beginning with str: 0
Words str is a known abbrievation for: 0


Day 2:

Words beginning with str: 8

mafia would strike,
diving straight into
ground Mynock struggled
He struck him down
struck Black Mamba
OneBlueAugust struggled to
no strength left
stone that struck his

Words str is a known abbreivation for: 2

straight
strength


Day 3:

Words beginning with str: 1

stricken with fear,

Words str is a known abbreivation for: 0


Day 4:

Words beginning with str: 6

strange device fired
strange man on his way
surge in strength to knock
the street Showtime!
stabbed Showtime! straight
across the street

Words str is a known abbreivation for: 2

strength
straight


Day 5:

Words beginning with str: 2

a street fight
straight at him

Words str is a known abbreivation for: 1

straight


Day 6:

Words beginning with str: 3

strong message and
street where shadowdrgn
streets as he riddled

Words str is a known abbreivation for: 0

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Days 2 and 4 are when Cottonmouth shows up and when the greatest concentration of str related words come into play. If the next day post contains 44 and many str words, please lynch str (after L/ulszz) for me if I am dead. Pleaseeeeeeeee.
Think. :)
MTF
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States1739 Posts
April 21 2008 07:28 GMT
#4964
On April 21 2008 16:14 SoleSteeler wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +

True. I know how the game works, and that saying "trust me" doesn't mean shit. I'm going to try and show you guys why I'm such a stretch.

First of all, to be honest, I don't buy that the energy stealing thing is part of Mr. Pink.

Day 1:

""Yes, but lets not be hasty, we should take care when proceeding" commented Mr. Pink as he began going over the plans."

First day, Mr. Pink is cautious. Nothing to do with SoleSteeler, or anything relating to me in my profile, etc. (It's early in the game, I know)

Day 2:

"Mr. Pink responded by reminding them that death was now a normal thing in Liquidia."

This can be interpreted in a few ways. Some have said that it makes him "calm, cool and collected", which is true; but of course, I see no way how that links to me. It's a logical statement of a fact. Maybe unsoundlogic? (Although I might have recalled seeing him on the "confirmed innocent" list.)

"OneBlueAugust was getting up ready to fight Mr. Pink but slipped on some gooey substance on the ground."

What is this gooey substance, and is it even connected to Mr. Pink? How does that connect to me? Sorry, I've tried to keep up with this thread over the past few weeks, but it's hard to find specific info; has anyone figured out what that's supposed to be? Certainly gooey has nothing to do with "sole", which is a fish or the bottom of a shoe, or "steel", which is the opposite of gooey!

"Sidewinder was still on the ground but Mr. Pink had found a weapon to use against OneBlueAugust. Using the long hair as a handle and the head as a weight Mr. Pink smashed OneBlueAugust continually with Mynocks head. OneBlueAugust crawled past the substance he had slipped on and stumbled to his feet as Mr. Pink ditched Mynocks now misshaped and broken head to the side. Mr. Pink found the rest of the fight easy as OneBlueAugust struggled to defend himself against an able fighter. Mr. Pink found the rest of the fight easy as OneBlueAugust struggled to defend himself against an able fighter. Blow after blow came and finally OneBlueAugust fell to the ground with no strength left to live."

This is the main clue against life draining, yes? There is no mention of draining; you lose strength if you're in a fight and you're getting the shit kicked out of you by an "able fighter". It's a slightly weird way to word it, I agree, but it doesn't necessary imply anything about "draining", which would indicate that Mr. Pink is getting stronger, when he is clearly already strong in the first place (able fighter). Nothing like "as Mr. Pink continued to beat OneBlueAugust, he felt his strength rising as OneBlueAugust's got weaker." I just don't see anything about draining. Even then, as I said before, SoleSteeler != Soul Stealer. What about someone like "Energies" who's name is more connected with a life force than mine?

I've also seen the word "incubus" being thrown around. That's a pretty specific demon to pick; Mr. Pink isn't going around seducing women and draining their souls, so I don't get why someone might think that Mr. Pink is an incubus.

Day 3:

"Mr. Pink and Mr. Brown were standing just in front of his phone and as he glanced at it Mr. Brown picked it up and said "oh you want this?" and smashed it on the table breaking it in two. "Sorry we can't have you doing that, allow me to introduce myself I'm Mr. Brown and my quiet friend here is Mr. Pink. We're here to kill you.""

Quiet friend. I suppose I am relatively quiet in the game, but there's many others who would fit the role as someone "quiet" more than I.

Day 4: Mr. Pink doesn't appear (that I can tell)

Ditto Day 5 (?)

Day 6:

+ Show Spoiler +
Mr. Brown and Mr. Pink were hunting their own prey that night. They were stalking down the street where shadowdrgn had previously been killed trying to find clues to the man responsible. It was obvious to them he was a threat as he was trying to find out who they were to kill. They found the crime scene and walked closer to get a better look. But as they approached it they noticed a man walking away. Both wondering who he was they decided they would instead find out by killing him right there. Mr. Brown called out to him as they ran towards his direction but BloodyC0bbler couldn't understand a word he was saying. BloodyC0bbler stopped to face them and tried to figure out what the ruckus was all about when he saw the looks on their faces. BloodyC0bbler decided it was best to run from them instead and started heading toward his car parked a couple blocks down. He almost already felt himself dying as he ran as hard as he could but Mr. Pink eventually caught up to him first and tackled him to the ground. Mr. Brown snagged a rather sharp stone from someones yard decoration and quickly caught up. Mr. Pink held BloodyC0bbler down as Mr. Brown smashed the stone several times into his skull. They were quite satisfied to see BloodyC0bbler's corpse turn blue as they headed back to mafia HQ.


So Mr. Pink is fast (caught up to him first). Or at least faster than Mr. Brown. Both mafioso are brutal here, but holding someone down as another smashes his head in with a rock (from a yard decoration, hmm), is again in no way connected to me.

Anyways, I am seriously baffled that anyone would see the "proof" presented against me as "concrete" or "damning" at all. We have one line (that I can tell) that can be interpreted as someone who's life is being "drained", but it's certainly not for sure. When you're getting beat up, you feel your strength leaving you. It's fairly common to see that in creative writing. Anyways, Mr. pink has no mention of fish, steel, or of being a loner too (like the "sole" person), since he's usually with Mr. Brown.

We have other people that have are more likely mafia, so I would ask all of you to at least get rid of those people first, and hopefully more clues will come forth, and you will continue to see that there isn't a shred of evidence that links anything Mr. Pink has done to me.



I honestly agree with you. We don't really have a solid candidate for Pink overall, I feel. I may be disagreed with here by others, but it's what I feel.

I don't think you're in any immediate danger of being lynched, anyway. There are, as you said, many stronger candidates for that before you and we can afford to kill them while waiting to see what new clues come about.

Defense is the least valuable weapon in proving your innocence, by the by. Initiative to point out specific flaws in your accusers information is appreciated, but the most powerful thing you can do is convincingly point the finger in another persons direction. Not saying you absolutely need to at this point, just saying that such helpfulness in general is a good thing to have on your side when you start getting accused. :p
Think. :)
MTF
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States1739 Posts
April 21 2008 11:41 GMT
#4969
On April 21 2008 20:16 Alethios wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 21 2008 16:28 MTF wrote:
Defense is the least valuable weapon in proving your innocence, by the by. Initiative to point out specific flaws in your accusers information is appreciated, but the most powerful thing you can do is convincingly point the finger in another persons direction. Not saying you absolutely need to at this point, just saying that such helpfulness in general is a good thing to have on your side when you start getting accused. :p

I have to disagree with you on this point. Many have tried to "convincingly point the finger" at somebody else, but since they're under suspicion their finger pointing generally goes unnoticed.

If SoleSteeler knows he's town, a defense analysing the premises behind his accusation is perfectly valid. Helps us not lynch the wrong person, Saving that precious lynch for somebody else while also not killing another soldier in the fight against the swarm. Thus, defending yourself IS helpful.

Personally, pending further evidence, I believe SS has acquitted himself admirably on this count. He was accused based upon Day/Night clues... and he's shown that the connection between himself and Mr.Pink is tenuous at best.


Least valuable doesn't equal completely invaluable. :p Of course defending himself accurately is valuable, for all the reasons you mentioned. I didn't imply that he shouldn't have done so, as clearing your name by pointing out glaring flaws prevents undue distraction and lets us focus on other targets. I only said it was the least valuable way of clearing your name, not completely unhelpful.

However, pointing us to a new specific target yourself is much better than simply deflecting it from yourself. :p

Defending yourself well is good.

Pointing at someone who is a weaker candidate than you is bad, hence the "convincingly", not just the pointing.

Pointing at someone who is a stronger candidate than you is very good and (as you can see from my own case) quite convincing.
Think. :)
MTF
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States1739 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-04-21 12:41:51
April 21 2008 12:30 GMT
#4974
On April 21 2008 21:17 Plexa wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +

Here's my counter analysis

<hr>
<font size='4'>Day 1</font>

I dont think there is any point arguing the Day 1 clue pointed toward Mr Pink - that sentence is rather short and too subject to variation and can be read in a number of different lights so that it applies to a number of people. Hence can be argued supporting my arguement, and solesteelers.
<hr>
<font size='4'>Day 2</font>

With that being said lets move onto Day 2, where we start to see some interesting clues about Mr Pink.
Yogurt and OneBlueAugust were playing a game of pool in the basement minding their own business when they heard the sound resonate from the house next door. They looked at each other puzzled and then went up the stairs to investigate the sound. They were almost to Mynocks house when four men intercepted them. Yogurt and OneBlueAugust saw them and OneBlueAugust asked them what was going on in the house. Mr. Pink responded by reminding them that death was now a normal thing in Liquidia. As he held up the top portion of Mynocks head, the bottom on the ground a few feet away after falling apart from the buckshot, the two men became filled with shock. No fear though, they had each had their share of the drink that evening and were ready to fight an army if one would present itself. Fortunately only four men stood in their path and OneBlueAugust made a drunken move toward a sickly looking fellow known as Sidewinder. He struck him down with ease and met gaze with Mr. Pink right away but wasn't prepared for the punch to the face soon after. Yogurt had thrown a rock that struck Black Mamba in the face with much ease. Eddie, the fourth man, defended him and sprinted toward Yogurt expecting an easy fight. He was surprised to find that, although quite drunk, Yogurt had only lost the capacity to feel pain. With each attack Yogurt made a crazy and elaborate counter. Eddie made a lucky kick knocking Yogurt to the ground and went back to Black Mamba to get some help. OneBlueAugust was getting up ready to fight Mr. Pink but slipped on some gooey substance on the ground. Sidewinder was still on the ground but Mr. Pink had found a weapon to use against OneBlueAugust. Using the long hair as a handle and the head as a weight Mr. Pink smashed OneBlueAugust continually with Mynocks head. OneBlueAugust crawled past the substance he had slipped on and stumbled to his feet as Mr. Pink ditched Mynocks now misshaped and broken head to the side. Mr. Pink found the rest of the fight easy as OneBlueAugust struggled to defend himself against an able fighter. Blow after blow came and finally OneBlueAugust fell to the ground with no strength left to live.

A couple notes about this passage;
Mr. Pink responded by reminding them that death was now a normal thing in Liquidia.
could refer back to the first day post, but it can also refer to the fact death is something that is normal to Mr Pink - because he needs it to survive (my argument)
As he held up the top portion of Mynocks head, the bottom on the ground a few feet away after falling apart from the buckshot, the two men became filled with shock.
this could very well refer to the sickie substance on the floor or perhaps it is
OneBlueAugust made a drunken move toward a sickly looking fellow known as Sidewinder. He struck him down with ease
sidewinder throwing up on the floor - i've seen it argued both ways
He struck him down with ease and met gaze with Mr. Pink right away but wasn't prepared for the punch to the face soon after.
A mirror of what OneBlueAugust had just done to sidewinder
Yogurt had thrown a rock that struck Black Mamba in the face with much ease. Eddie, the fourth man, defended him and sprinted toward Yogurt expecting an easy fight. He was surprised to find that, although quite drunk, Yogurt had only lost the capacity to feel pain. With each attack Yogurt made a crazy and elaborate counter. Eddie made a lucky kick knocking Yogurt to the ground and went back to Black Mamba to get some help.
Yogurt is quite an able fighter - an aspect which is later mirrored in Mr Pink
OneBlueAugust was getting up ready to fight Mr. Pink but slipped on some gooey substance on the ground. Sidewinder was still on the ground but Mr. Pink had found a weapon to use against OneBlueAugust. Using the long hair as a handle and the head as a weight Mr. Pink smashed OneBlueAugust continually with Mynocks head. OneBlueAugust crawled past the substance he had slipped on and stumbled to his feet as Mr. Pink ditched Mynocks now misshaped and broken head to the side. Mr. Pink found the rest of the fight easy as OneBlueAugust struggled to defend himself against an able fighter.
Obviously Mr Pink has attain this quality from Yogurt as before he just dealt a single punch - without following it up with blow after blow - but here is the kicker;
Blow after blow came and finally OneBlueAugust fell to the ground with no strength left to live.
OneBlueAugust is tapped of his own life energy - Mr Pink stole it

<hr>
<font size='4'>Day 3</font>

Mr Pink was active again the next night, but with substantially less clues
Coincidentally Fishball had been looking for those darts and was turning around the corner just after it happened. He gasped in shock as he saw the corpse and immediately ran to call for help. He almost there when he saw two mafia in his way. Mr. Pink and Mr. Brown were standing just in front of his phone and as he glanced at it Mr. Brown picked it up and said "oh you want this?" and smashed it on the table breaking it in two. "Sorry we can't have you doing that, allow me to introduce myself I'm Mr. Brown and my quiet friend here is Mr. Pink. We're here to kill you." said Mr. Brown as he pulled a gun out of his coat. Fishball was stricken with fear, he got on his knees and begged for their mercy. Mr. Pink said something to Mr. Brown and instead of shooting Fishball, they viciously beat him till he fell unconscious. Fishball died a few hours later to internal bleeding.
While this day is 90% Mr Brown acting, there are a couple key lines for Mr Pink
quiet friend here is Mr. Pink.
Very inetering to note is that on day 1 mr pink spoke, day 2 mr pink said something - but it wasn't explicitly said and today he whispers to Mr Brown
Fishball was stricken with fear, he got on his knees and begged for their mercy. Mr. Pink said something to Mr. Brown and instead of shooting Fishball, they viciously beat him till he fell unconscious. Fishball died a few hours later to internal bleeding.
This is a rather peculiar aspect about mr Pink, the question is why would you attack someone begging for mercy in such a manner to let them die in a slow painful death. The key part here imo
they viciously beat him till he fell unconscious
Once again Mr Pink has tapped his life forces and caused him to lose consciousness
<hr>
<font size='4'>Day 6</font>

Mr pink took two days off, then came back with avengence last night.

Mr. Brown and Mr. Pink were hunting their own prey that night. They were stalking down the street where shadowdrgn had previously been killed trying to find clues to the man responsible. It was obvious to them he was a threat as he was trying to find out who they were to kill. They found the crime scene and walked closer to get a better look. But as they approached it they noticed a man walking away. Both wondering who he was they decided they would instead find out by killing him right there. Mr. Brown called out to him as they ran towards his direction but BloodyC0bbler couldn't understand a word he was saying. BloodyC0bbler stopped to face them and tried to figure out what the ruckus was all about when he saw the looks on their faces. BloodyC0bbler decided it was best to run from them instead and started heading toward his car parked a couple blocks down. He almost already felt himself dying as he ran as hard as he could but Mr. Pink eventually caught up to him first and tackled him to the ground. Mr. Brown snagged a rather sharp stone from someones yard decoration and quickly caught up. Mr. Pink held BloodyC0bbler down as Mr. Brown smashed the stone several times into his skull. They were quite satisfied to see BloodyC0bbler's corpse turn blue as they headed back to mafia HQ.

The first thing which struck me in this clue was
Mr. Brown and Mr. Pink were hunting their own prey that night.
Which instantly makes me think that Mr Pink is either some kind of animal, or he feasts on humans. This is also the first time that Mr Pink has been introduced before the victim. This is followed up immediately by
They were stalking down the street where shadowdrgn had previously been killed trying to find clues to the man responsible.
stalking being defined as
1. A hunt for game carried on by following it stealthily or waiting in ambush
2. The act of following prey stealthily
Which tie nicely in with the idea that Mr Pink is hunting for food
He almost already felt himself dying as he ran as hard as he could
This is the pivotal clue in this day - the fact that BC is dying before he is even struck. Much like the other victims of Mr Pink their life force is leaving them before they die.
but Mr. Pink eventually caught up to him first and tackled him to the ground.
Mr pink suddenly has acquired the trait of being fast - probably from leeching BC
<hr>
<font size='4'>Conclusion</font>
Here are the options;
  • Mr Pink is some sort of animal
  • Mr Pink is some kind of superhuman
  • Or, that he is leeching the life force of his victims (most likely)

No suspects come up under the first two headings, however SoleSteeler comes up under the third and ties in nicely with all the evidence/lists that we have at our disposal.

While our links for Mr Pink are weaker than a number of other suspects, by the time it comes to SoleSteeler being lynched we should have a lot more evidence all ready to examine and judge whether this analysis holds.


This is pretty good analysis, all told. I guess I just needed it more thoroughly spelled out to me. It can all very well be interpreted this way and we have no stronger suspect for Mr. Pink. I don't actually have any rebuttal to any of the points, and I didn't remember to connect newly gained traits to new victims.

Hmm.

When it comes down to it, I agree with both you and SoleSteeler in that we'll know more surely with another set of clues. Until then, I'll put stock in that SoleSteeler is a decently strong suspect, and our current strongest bet for Pink, and we should keep in him in mind when the next set of clues rolls around.


Edit: Haha, 'since I've been active over Mafia the past three days or so and from livereporting for the first time tonight, I jumped from 800 posts to 1,000+. : x

Edit #2: See bleeding foot.
Think. :)
MTF
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States1739 Posts
April 21 2008 12:40 GMT
#4978
On April 21 2008 21:37 Plexa wrote:
I really doubt nightmare is Mr Pink
  • Nightmare has nothing to do with Mr Pink at all
  • There is the supervillain Nightmare - but none of his powers/abilities match up with Mr Pink check if you want
  • Profile reads
    Pain makes one suffer.
    Suffering makes one think.
    Thinking makes one wise.
    And Wisdom makes life bearable.
    You could make a case for this i suppose, although there are some serious missing links
  • His profile pic when the game started was a southpark mexican - which doesn't correspond to mr pink at all


Er, I'm tired. I meant SoleSteeler, not Nightmare.

*shoots self in foot*
Think. :)
MTF
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States1739 Posts
April 21 2008 12:48 GMT
#4981
For whatever it amounts to, I'm pretty damn sure Ninja is Mr. Blonde as well.

Along with DamageControl as Mr. Black and ieatkids5 as Mr. White, I'd lynch him without worrying about whether or not red showed up when the night post came. I may be wrong, but I sincerely believe not. :p
Think. :)
MTF
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States1739 Posts
April 22 2008 00:14 GMT
#4996
Mafia probably haven't sent in their kills yet.
Think. :)
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