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On August 05 2008 10:47 ShadowDrgn wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2008 07:37 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
was a nice game to read, but dear god it sucks dying early. You killed me on DAY THREE so I don't even want to hear it. I tried to be a useful townie and all it got me was a baseball bat to the head. Was killing me Ace's idea or did you actually go vigilante?
haha  i went vig, but i wasn't scolded for it, i forgot the exact reasons now, but i know at the time i had no hesitations doing it, but im not digging through posts to remember exactly what you did to make me target you.
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I thought I would make a big impact on the game. Turns out I died early and everything's forgotten, but we still won.
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Next game, I'd certainly like to avoid whatever I did that got me killed in this one, haha. I know I messed up on a vote by making a new post instead of editing my old one, which probably looked suspicious.
Out of all the mafia I fingered at the beginning, hotzhot was the only one I got right, and it was because of the mirror clue that Ace mentioned 2 pages back. I guess people were right in saying that trying to figure out the mafia from a clue or two is a really bad idea.
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Very Nice. This was what a 5 month long game?! Congrats townies!!!
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long game is long. kudos to Chuiu for keeping this as sane as possible!
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hahah yay townies, proud to say i was one.
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Germany2896 Posts
That game went much longer than expected. Sorry for being a bit inactive and sorry to jtan for making that lurker connection. My only larger cluework and it turns out to be wrong -_-
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Hong Kong20321 Posts
holy crap this game is so insane lol -_-- congrats for finally finishing it after nearly half a year . hahah.
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haha Mafia.
You organized it very well, Chuiu, my congrats!!!
I spent like 20 hours of overall programming some scripts, programs to download and parse the TL htmls, organize lists in TL codes, etc... And I spent a lot more reading the thread.
And CDR, my apologies, I had no clues towards you, I just wanted you to die and make three lists clear - you were the only person intersecting the Mandalor's (or the_rest, i dont's quiet remember) and Showtime's lists.
The only bad thing for me in this game was the character of Showtime. Other than that,
GG!
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Ive actually been following the whole game even though i wasnt playing.
Been great entertainment, gj and wp everyone involved, and well done chuiu for organizing it all.
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Sydney2287 Posts
Wow, what a game.
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This got really out of hand about halfway through and I cbb proof reading, so if it doesn't make sense... w/e
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Mafia MVPs imo: LTT, sucks that he disappeared, would have played out a lot differently imo) and L, managing to make town hold off on lynching him when it was clear he was mafia. Randombum too for being a pretty solid player and also for keeping the mafia together when people had died and nobody cared enough to make lists anymore (I think that was RB who organised that).
For Town: Plexa, MTF and Camlito. They did all the groundwork in clue analysis, everyone else was basically working from their stuff. Especially Plexa, without Plexa I doubt the others would have done half as much, and we would have had a mafia victory a long time ago. Biggest mafia mistake I think was to leave plexa alive thinking (hoping) that if we didn't kill him his guesses would lose credibility. In our defense, this seemed to work at the beginning when Shallow managed to name just about every mafia in a single post (That had me scared for a bit). Luckily he was ignored
I'm not gonna comment on balance, the game was what it was and really, if we had wanted to win we could have. By this I mean that if we had put a legitimate attempt into creating our own 'Plexa' we could have replaced him at his death and lead the town to their defeat after building some credibility. But we didn't, so we lost.
IRC incident, first up LTT is a genius. Not at hacking or cheating or anything like that (Though I wouldn't be surpised if he could) but at fooling the 'elite' group of townies. Ace too. The way we found the channel was by pretending to change our nicknames to pretty outspoken townies as a joke, imagining if a townie somehow entered our passworded, private channel. Funnily enough we couldn't change our names to hittegods and empyrean (Turns out we were all on gamesurge) so LTT picked araav out and pretended to be him in the townie channel. Logged the chat for a bit and then got kicked when Ace returned from AFK. I know that he wanted to apologise to Araav for all the shit that he copped from the town after that.
Oh and that wasn't the only IRC incident. It seems the elite townie group don't know much about IRC channels, because a week later we realised it was still public and still unpassworded. So LTT infiltrated it again, but this time as Lenwe. Held a few conversations with Ace as Lenwe, helped us learn a lot of the remaining blues, also helped in the downfall of decaf iirc. Around this time LTT disappeared off the face of the earth and nobody has heard from him/seen him since, If you read these chat logs then you might agree with me when I say that if he didn't disappear I'm pretty confident the game would have been completely different.
But yeah. There is more about the beginning of the game (LTT and L were gonna do a writeup on that), other than that you guys know everything else by now pretty much. After the mandalor list thing I think a lot of the mafia stopped caring really, which proved to be our downfall, nobody was willing to put in the effort to be the next town saviour and clue guy, and so all of our defenses turned out to be 'lawlz im not mafia!!11'
Oh also, the the bodyguard plan isn't perfect. If the mayor turns out to be mafia, town is royally fucked. You don't get your 'safe' person to pm your roles to, you don't get your double lynches and you don't get your pardoner (Everyone involved with the election is going to be killed pretty quickly) It is definitely worth the sacrifice of a mafia to make your acceptance speech "I'm mafia lawlz" and then that night kill off all the bodyguards. And that's if you want to be cocky about it. You could try and muck around with bodyguard lists and screw around with the town for a day or two and even further fuck things up. And there's really no way to tell if a person is mafia or not prior to the election. For example, I think after this game Plexa could make a pretty convincing campaign for mayor in the next game, and a lot of people would vote him in on performance from this game, but there is as much chance of him being mafia in the next game as anyone else.
That's not a problem with the plan as such, just keep that in mind for the next game. We would have had RB as mayor, if two of the members had been online to change their votes in the dying minutes.
PS: BlindAlbino was the funniest poster in this thread. He was even posting properly in other threads on TL and people never seemed to realise he was posting normally in this thread.
PPS: Detective lists are crazily useful. Even with us using spreadsheets to make sure our votes were evenly distributed amongst diff lynch suspects it was still the 2nd reason you guys ended up winning (First being Plexa) Keep your detectives safer next game. Ie don't ask one detective to rolecheck another detective when you're trying to find out who the imposter detective is. We chucked mandalor into the fake detective position for a few reasons, one because we were worried about the power of the townie machine and we wanted to try and disrupt that and two because we reasoned that the role he'd have to check would be a bodyguard (it'd be the only thing that Ace would know for sure) or someone who reported in as a townie. We just didn't contemplate the situation that occurred because it brought unnecessary attention to the townie role with the most potential. Thanks to the IRC logs we found out that one detective had checked another detective and well, the rest is history.
GG.
Oh and how could I forget:
A massive thankyou to Chuiu for running this game, sticking through it and putting up with 1203103123 pms from mafia asking for specifics on how roles worked.
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bockit how the hell did you know WHERE the channel was?
thats the part I dont get. Even if the channel was unpassworded how did you knew it existed?
and even though Plexa gets a lot of credit, Camlito was the genius behind a lot of stuff. Really there were a lot of people that did much.
very good game though. Even though I don't think Mafia would have won if you killed plexa early (Camlito was still alive) it is what it is.
good game.
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Sydney2287 Posts
On August 05 2008 19:41 Ace wrote:
bockit how the hell did you know WHERE the channel was?
thats the part I dont get. Even if the channel was unpassworded how did you knew it existed?
and even though Plexa gets a lot of credit, Camlito was the genius behind a lot of stuff. Really there were a lot of people that did much.
very good game though. Even though I don't think Mafia would have won if you killed plexa early (Camlito was still alive) it is what it is.
good game.
Whois edit: I think.
And yeah, fair point about others behind the scenes.
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holy crap!
that chat log is AWESOME!
hahahahahahahaha that makes waiting forever for the end of this game to end fucking worth it!
<---creamed his pants about this thought:
when it was found out the chat channel was infiltrated showtime! (Rk) goes: see, I told you guys to use fake nicks!
ironically EVERYONE else who was blue didn't and the only vanilla townies did.
hahaha
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On August 05 2008 19:44 Bockit wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2008 19:41 Ace wrote:
bockit how the hell did you know WHERE the channel was?
thats the part I dont get. Even if the channel was unpassworded how did you knew it existed?
and even though Plexa gets a lot of credit, Camlito was the genius behind a lot of stuff. Really there were a lot of people that did much.
very good game though. Even though I don't think Mafia would have won if you killed plexa early (Camlito was still alive) it is what it is.
good game. Whois
I'm guessing you did it on Empyrean's name since he was the only "known" blue at that point.
but good shit, this has made me laugh so hard.
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Sydney2287 Posts
Ahh yeah, I was pretty confident RK was showtime.
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Sydney2287 Posts
Oh yeah it was coincidence that we were also on gamesurge. We didn't know it existed, we just realised that some nicknames were taken.
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also about the DT thing: I was actually shocked myself. I was hoping I didn't have to resort to having more than 4 DTs so early to have to pick out.
And of course I couldn't exactly go "hey whats empyrean's role" so that was moot. Mandalor tipped me off though in a reply PM that he knew what New104 was, like I figured he would putting 2 and 2 together, and I just scratched the role check plan. I think it was Caller that was like lets go ahead with the mass vote checking plan.
When the IRC incident happened I was like thank god not all my bodyguards were ever in that channel so I just figured we could live a bit long. Also that IRC thing DID kill decaf. I had a plan with Plexa about how to figure it out and it turned out Kh101 was ALSO a legit blue. We were hoping that the worst case scenario didn't happen and it did.
As for randombum being elected Mayor, I do remember saying hey townies lets not fuck me over. If RB got Mayor the game would have been chaotic. I could see him saying fuck your BG plan and shitting on everyone asap.
As fo is it worth it for Mafia to take mayor and sacrifice themselves: at the beginning I said no. Just checking the vote list would incriminate a lot of people. But now I have mixed feelings. There were a lot of things I did as Mayor that probably seemed questionable - but I have no choice. As Mayor you pretty much have to be the "leader" and the person "in charge". Have to take a lot of shit from retarded townies, have to try an sift through bullshit PMs (I think LTT sent me something), and also try and keep people focused and on the right track.
After this game I think if a Mafioso gets Mayor the town is in some shit. The fact that I was protected and pretty much confirmed innocent let a lot of people speak through me and keep themselves alive for a long time.
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