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Bockit
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Sydney2287 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-08-05 11:08:40
August 05 2008 11:08 GMT
#6881
On August 05 2008 19:55 Ace wrote:
also about the DT thing: I was actually shocked myself. I was hoping I didn't have to resort to having more than 4 DTs so early to have to pick out.

And of course I couldn't exactly go "hey whats empyrean's role" so that was moot. Mandalor tipped me off though in a reply PM that he knew what New104 was, like I figured he would putting 2 and 2 together, and I just scratched the role check plan. I think it was Caller that was like lets go ahead with the mass vote checking plan.


Ahh ok, stuff makes a lot more sense now.

When the IRC incident happened I was like thank god not all my bodyguards were ever in that channel so I just figured we could live a bit long. Also that IRC thing DID kill decaf. I had a plan with Plexa about how to figure it out and it turned out Kh101 was ALSO a legit blue. We were hoping that the worst case scenario didn't happen and it did.


Haha awesome ;P

As for randombum being elected Mayor, I do remember saying hey townies lets not fuck me over. If RB got Mayor the game would have been chaotic. I could see him saying fuck your BG plan and shitting on everyone asap.

As fo is it worth it for Mafia to take mayor and sacrifice themselves: at the beginning I said no. Just checking the vote list would incriminate a lot of people. But now I have mixed feelings. There were a lot of things I did as Mayor that probably seemed questionable - but I have no choice. As Mayor you pretty much have to be the "leader" and the person "in charge". Have to take a lot of shit from retarded townies, have to try an sift through bullshit PMs (I think LTT sent me something), and also try and keep people focused and on the right track.

After this game I think if a Mafioso gets Mayor the town is in some shit. The fact that I was protected and pretty much confirmed innocent let a lot of people speak through me and keep themselves alive for a long time.



I think it's worthwhile, if you don't make your saboteur the dude running for mayor :S. That was a fuckup on our parts and just shows why you shouldn't have people pre-running for mayor (Not blaming RB, just for future reference )

It will be interesting to see what happens in the next game (Chuiu hinted somewhere in the last 300 pages that next game won't involve a mayor iirc).
Their are four errors in this sentance.
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
August 05 2008 11:10 GMT
#6882
well this game showed that there are a lot of devilishly smart people that were playing. Now that we all know that, next game is going to insanity.

I can already see someone ready to kill Showtime! as soon as lynch time starts.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-08-05 11:49:00
August 05 2008 11:45 GMT
#6883
The Randombum issue.

Originally randombum should have been vote checked asap after me. However when the Mandalor thing happened we immediately ditched it and went for vote checking. I was sure a lot of mafia would vote for mandalor to "fit in", and randombum wasn't a priority. The thinking was if he's in the Pardoner seat he can't pardon any surefire mafia for any reason or he'd incriminate himself. Empyrean wanted him as the top suspect but we never got around to it.

Then I remember the bumatlarge/randombum debate. Somehow, some way we all lost track of it after bumatlarge turned green.

Then came crunch time.

When it was clear myself and Plexa were going to die pretty soon, we had to pool all of our knowledge together to make a clear case against everyone we had pinned. randombum who was always "there" as a suspect became top priority after a couple of things.

1.) Camlito or Plexa, one of them urged me he was surely mafia. They had clues linking to him.

2.) I noticed randombum, the same guy who promised to be so active was literally gone for most of the game.

But it wasn't until I went back to earlier posts did it REALLY hit the fan - The Mayor vote.

We started looking at known mafia and the mayor vote. I noticed that at the end, a few mafia voted to almost put randombum over even though by that point Empyrean was surely not going to be Pardoner.

In one of the last posts before I died I outlined it, and we even noticed how some of their reasoning for putting RB up was just bullshit.

Then I looked at the night where I think it was More_Minerals, one of my BGs died. It was staring us in the face of how the attacker came from the building MM was GUARDING.

After all that, what really sealed the deal was this PM which explained how the hell dinmsab got killed:


From: dinmsab
Subject: mafia
Date: 3/20/08 13:53
I'll go straight to the point...

Empyrean is a detective, as a detective myself I have confirmed this using my powers. Its up to you guys to sway the public opinion to go against lynching him, if all fails... pardon him. I know some random guy running up to you and claiming to be a detective might be a bit weird and suspicious.. but I give u my word, I am a detective. The reason I pm'd both of you is because if anyone of 2 of you are mafia, and i die tomorrow.. the other will know.


He sent me this along with sending it to randombum. Mafia didn't kill him right away which was a good move but when he died it definitely was a what the fuck moment. I had an explanation about this as a horrible move in my notes:



A problem with dimsab is that he investigated EMP b4 even investigating me.
If EMP was truly a DT and I was Mafia, that would be a really dumb move if he's Towny. He did this pretty much right after I was elected which means there was no time for any other DT to "be silent". That means dimsab is Mafia false claiming, or is really playing risky and didn't read the plan.

2 things: If Emp dies and is anything but DT, dimsab is surely Mafia.
However, if dimsab dies and isn't Dt that doesn't implicate EMP, it could be a Mafia ploy hoping we kill EMP also just because a Mafia "vouched" for him.


I definitely didn't suspect RB of being mafia so early in the game, but I never came back to this part of my notes at all later.

Notes

This is the very, very beginning of the game first impressions notes I had jotted down.


Stop at top of 31


Suspects:

ahrara_ - doesn't read or plainly is Mafia because he is calling a pretty logical plan bad (p.20). However, he caught on to Empyrean's bad logic to get the Mayoral election.

His plan is to lynch the real DT anyway to see if he's legit...possibly bad, but can be good. He isn't 100% as dumb as he sounds though.


aZnvaLiaNce - asking to put strategy behind us the first night, clearly stupid or crazy. says he supports me after the plan is posted.

araav - ran for mayor on ridiculous pretenses

SonofaBob - voted for araav on even more ridiculous pretenses

CDRDude - shaky posts on page 21, calling araav's platform "good" when it was clearly crap

Plexa - says never to trust an australian with 10 posts (Ghar) p.21

EvilMonkey - nonsense posts

xDark.Carnivalx - seems logical for now but voted for Araav, bandwagoner?

Naib - claims Araav's posts make the most sense when they clearly dont, accusing Ghar already

Empryean claims DT on Mayor voting Day, so early when it isn't even needed much. He is clearly leading to some confusion among the Townies, and is already starting to point fingers (at ahrara). He "concedes" to me after he realizes it's almost a sure bet I will be elected Mayor, and instead Happily settles for Pardoner. He also isn't "defending" himself with any reason when suspicious posts of his are pointed out.

Bockit - complete nonsense

Somuchbetter - seems like a smart guy, understood the plan Ghar/myself suggested and is willing to embrace it.

Amber[Light] - thought he was smart, but posted something completely off the wall that no sane person would have - I think he may be scum

Lenwe - voted for randombum, but posted a pretty good reason for why. Is playing cautious.

qrs - thinking way too much about the wrong things,however is willing to follow the BodyGuard Plan and has seen how it works out. He questions almost everything I do, which is good but it seems to come from posts other people make. Hopefully it's just enthusiam and not a sheepish mentality over proving my status.

Heros)Pink - saying not to put Ghar in position because clues point to him even though they really dont, is vying for Empyrean against me and Ghar. THis dude is very odd, as even when logic stares him in the face he refuses to look.

RtS)Night[Mare - think Empryean wouldn't be Mafia again is a bad idea to start off with. advocated voting on only 4 players and "closing the vote" even when only 35 votes were cast. Blindly supporting Empyrean even when it's obvious Emp is acting weird.

L - seems to be thinking smart. Sharp guy, seems to be supporting me.

BWdero - puts Ghar on his suspect list just because others have also, bandwagoner?

Klive5ive - is very opposed to myself and Ghar for Mayor. Klive is also supporting voting for Empryean. He is trying to post logical, but his logic is clearly backwards. Mafia?
Is VERY opposed to myself and Ghar. He even sounds shady when posting as he wants to kill Townies somewhat fast. He also supported araav. Extremely blind support of Empyrean, assumes he is innocent off the bat.

Falcynn - Seems to be working towards the greater goal of the Town. Seems logical.

Shallow[Bay] - very off the wall, but is posting clues which helps. He may be a hidden weapon against Mafia if he would stop being so crazy.


Mynock - seems very logical in his posts, levelheaded for sure

Yogurt - what the fuck? supporting Empyrean based on nonsense. Changed his vote to me AFTER empyrean "conceded" his election to me. His first vote for Empyrean was in the midst of nowhere.

Falcynn - as of now I think he may be Townie, as he is generally helpful with everything he does. votes with logic and questions stupidity.

Hittegods - seems genuinely interested in how the plan works.

spoinka - voted for me asap but doesn't post often

Naib - also voted for me even though he seems to be second guessing himself

GeneralStan - seems genuinely good, smart enough to see Empyrean's shit

Lysithea - decent

JeeJee - heavily against Empyrean and all he stands for

Last Romantic - likes the bodyguard plan but voted for Empyrean and would vote for araav

Ziel - supports Bodyguard plan and Ghar, realizes we must carry the plan out

zeks -quiet towny, not really bad so far. advocates Mayor and Paronder work together

caller - admits to being a flip flop, wants Pardoner

Hollander - vigilant in getting clues

bumatlarge -called out empyrean to prove his innocent

Wysp - seems like a solid, reasonable guy. Has been against Empyrean from the get go.

LucasWoj - seems to be a misguided townie, not sure of what to do at all. May have good intentions but he claims medic, and claimed to protect Shallow[bay] the first night.



Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
August 05 2008 12:55 GMT
#6884
Interesting PMs from people

This is just some stuff I'm sure townies would like to see that I just looked at.


rom: randombum
Subject: Re: dimsaab
Date: 3/21/08 12:24
Yea that's pretty much how I feel. We'll see if any dts come forward and say you are mafia. Even if dimsaab is mafia false claiming then if nobody says anything about you, it will be safer to assume you are townie. I'll just wait to see what happens.
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Yea I got his PM, and yes I made a note of it that he could be trying to trick us. I'm not 100% sure of your innocence yet but I'm gonna share the note I had made:

A problem with dimsab is that he investigated EMP b4 even investigating me.
If EMP was truly a DT and I was Mafia, that would be a really dumb move if he's Towny. He did this pretty much right after I was elected which means there was no time for any other DT to "be silent". That means dimsab is Mafia false claiming, or is really playing risky and didn't read the plan.

2 things: If Emp dies and is anything but DT, dimsab is surely Mafia.
However, if dimsab dies and isn't Dt that doesn't implicate EMP, it could be a Mafia ploy hoping we kill EMP also just because a Mafia "vouched" for him.




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Hey, did you get a PM from dimsaab about a certain few powers of some people? What do you think of it. Could he be a mafia trying to trick me? Did you get his PM? Could he be tricking both of us? Your thoughts?


This is from Showtime after CTStalker died:


From: Showtime!
Subject: fuck
Date: 3/22/08 23:51
ok so not ctstalker.

new list of Australians:

RodierBob
Fen
Ghar



Gotta love showtime haha


From: BWdero
Subject: my mafia role
Date: 3/23/08 01:23
Alright, day 2 has come and no detective has spoken up. This combined with your excellent posts has convinced me 100% that you are not a mafia.

So I hereby send you my role: I am but a simple townie.

Go get those mafia basterds.



From: ShaLLoW[baY]
Subject: Re: Mafia
Date: 3/23/08 11:00
Alright, but in my opinion Ghar's case is pretty solid.

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I won't tell you yet because once I figure something else out I need everyone to act in unison.

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Alright, I've placed my vote for Ghar because that MSPaint is very, very incriminating; unless there's someone you'd rather I vote for instead? I'd prefer you told me who to change to via PM though.

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understood, but right now some more pressing information has come up.

Pretty much a Mafia member is getting lynched today for sure.

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I really think there's a solid case against Caller, as lots of objects in his signature reference clues dropped in the game (lead, mud, etc.)

Just so you know



From: 0cz3c
Subject: Re: Recommendation
Date: 3/24/08 05:24
Oh, I see. Sorry for the attack then.

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I know, but if I post the list of suspects *right now* something bad might happen. I'm hoping to hope this one person responds to me asap so I dont have to put an innocent potentially into the cross fire by revealing their role.

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I'd recommend you post who is mafia VERY soon (even if the list is one person). You have 8 hours as of now before Chuiu officially would declare NIGHT, and in that time, certainly 123 people will NOT be on. A large part that has voted for Ghar might be away celebrating Easter, and might never abstain (never get the chance to). Expecting PMs on Easter is a bad idea -- ALOT of people are away. The rest of us awaiting your post can't be on forever to vote the way you suggest.



From: Mandalor
Subject: Re: info
Date: 3/24/08 06:48
Well at least I know what new104's role is now lol

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lol nice try

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Omg I just came back from the easter fires.
New104 is a bodyguard.

fuck I hope you can have the votes withdrawn from me lol

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I need that info asap.



From: 0cz3c
Subject: DT Check
Date: 3/25/08 00:30
I think you should ask a DT to ask Chuiu how many mafia voted for Ghar. It's a smaller number, so it can be narrowed down quicker and more substantially. Furthermore, would a DT be able to check Abstain? Because once all three are checked, it establishes how many mafia are inactive/laying low.

If
1. They are inactive -- That's awesome for us, since we can concentrate on killing the active, sure, obvious ones.
2. They are laying low -- You can force them to come out into the open. For example -- they might be laying low because a previous clue was linked to them. Those that haven't responded to last night's accusations can be examples.

It's easier to kill the number of mafia that are actually posting in the thread when we know how many are posting in the thread.



From: Showtime!
Subject: I'm trying to push Plexa around
Date: 3/25/08 22:41
to see if my suspicions are correct.

I still believe shadowdrgn or MG should bite the bullet tonight along with Heros and Ghar. Like I said before I would at least go with shadow, Ghar and Heros.

You need to take some control back over the townies and by using force.



From: ShaLLoW[baY]
Subject: mafia
Date: 3/28/08 10:22
I know Pink is a Paramedic, I'm just posting to divert mafia attention because he made it pretty obvious with his post.



From: Showtime!
Subject: wtf is aarav
Date: 3/28/08 11:38
doing in the channeL? I thought you told me you suspected him.



From: araav
Subject: Re: info
Date: 3/29/08 00:54
Ace, you are right, sure. not a big deal. But why would we make the town think I am mafia?

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just ignore Showtime. No idea why he is making this such a big deal. I didn't even pay it any mind when I realized whoever got in there couldn't have known enough info about the roles because nothing in there was revealed. They basically only know everyone in there was innocent which doesn't do much.



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Ace, then please explain me what will we get out of this farce?

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yea I saw it, I kicked the person out. I know you're a confirmed innocent but we'll just act like you're a mafia for now.

Showtime is making it a much bigger deal than it needs to be, whoever came in that channel only saw 3 or 4 names max I think, and another name that was codenamed.

Either way something fishy happened but I wasn't around to find out.

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Ace, you sure? Have you seen it with your eyes?
Then we - the town - are in trouble!

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You said you didn't know about the channel at all?

Someone came in with the name araav...




From: araav
Subject: Re: info
Date: 3/29/08 01:17
ok, your choise. let's see what happens.

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so the Mafia wouldnt hit you at night if we think you're a suspect. I mean some of us KNOW you're innocent, but they dont know that.



From: LTT
Subject: Re: A thought
Date: 3/29/08 01:34
Alright. I feel a little better about it now. I guess I was just freaking out that all of our detectives/bodyguards were going to die tonight and that we wouldn't get any information from the two vote split plan because all the votes are currently muddled.

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Araav was already a suspect anyway, but I didnt want to use a role check at all. I got into the room way after everything happened and was catching up with everyone.

I thought it wasn't araav at all to be dumb enough to use his real name, but we had to be sure so we wasted a check. The thing is the IRC channel is impossible to guess so something went wrong, and I think I have an idea how.

The good thing is, it wasn't all blues in that channel, nor all the DTs or Bodyguards. Some of them dont even jump in the IRC channel. It was impossible for whoever it was to know what was what, and afaik no one revealed any critical info.

But yes, it's made the game more exciting. I think after today/tonight's results we'll stop being so "careful" and just have more fun. There is no point in playing if everyone isnt having fun no matter who wins or loses.

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Well, it sounds like it is time to weigh in. I stopped caring about this thread as soon as it was clear what was happening. Ace, your plan was great but it made the game rediculously boring for those of us who weren't in the loop. I made the comment to Bob that it felt like you were turning the game into a Single player game. Ace vs Mafia. Extremely effective, but not much fun for the rest of us. There was no incentive to play at all because even if we managed to win, it wouldn't be due to anything us peons did.

This araav thing seems to have changed things though. From these last few pages, it sounds like you used a rolecheck to clear him. I think using role checks at this point is a very bad idea. Even if araav was cleared, what guarantee do you have that it was really him who got into your chatroom? I believe you said this was an IRC channel. I hang out in the teamliquid channel all the time. Changing your name is a simple as typing /nick (newnickname). If araav was the culprit, why would he use his real name? Is there some other information that you got that convinced you it was araav?

If you aren't certain, I think we have to assume that mafia got into your channel somehow. You said they only learned the names of 6 blues. If ANY of those blues are detectives, your original plan is in trouble. Without the ability to check the votes it is going to be much harder to find the 10 mafia in the two group split. If detectives are at risk, I'd advise you to use them to get as many numbers as you can right now. Those numbers will help us much more down the road than an individual role check will.

And why the double lynch? Getting two mafia would be great, but the "vote for whoever you want" on the second vote seems like it ruins the two group split plan. I really think you should direct our votes a little better and very quickly. Barring a kidney stone flare up, there is less than 11 hours left until voting ends.



From: Plexa
Subject: Re: Innocent List
Date: 4/11/08 15:26
vigils get two shots right?
1) Queasy
2) Chez

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yea, which means Energies is almost out of kills.



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Chezinu was hit by energies

I know fusionsdf is innocent (or rather 99% sure) and he gave me a choice between chezinu and fusion im sorry about that.... originally we were planning to hit SMB but we decided to follow the plan

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well if EvilMonkey turns out Mafia, all the others have to be innocent. I thought Chezinu was innocent also but the Vigis hit him.

I dont even know which Vigi hit bumatlarge


but more importantly I just got this PM:


To: imDerek
Subject: Re: about night 4
Date: 4/11/08 15:16
didnt know

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I'm not sure if you counted me in when you made the extremely important post, but I also protected Plexa in night 4. did you know this or not?


4 people protecting Plexa?

I didn't tell imDerek to do anything but I don't think he's guilty yet. After this lynching, if EM comes up Mafia well imderek is innocent.

If he's green we've got a situation.

Either way Grandim and Hollander are both 100% legit at this point.

L, HerosPink, imderek, and KH are suspects with the former 2 being my main picks for liars right now.



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ok, just making sure there isn't anything lying around

you think fusionsdf is innocent btw?

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which ones? Almost everything is in the thread at some points.

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One more thing, if its possible could you give me some dt lists?

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nope none of them knew others were protecting you.

L, Heros and Grandim all protected you. The latter told me you took a hit, L didn't he just told me "good call" in a PM.

Hollander covered Lenwe.

KH101 covered Decafchicken. And I told decaf to assume vet status last night and he said he did.

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one more thing about the meds;

who were protecting me? and did they know about the others?

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This is the original info on medics


Medics(8/7):

LucasWoJ(#) - claimed to protect Shallowbay 1st night
Grandim - claimed to have protected Falcynn 1st night, and Falcynn survived 1 hit against him
HeRoS)Pink - claimed to protect x.dark (who wasnt targetted he says)
wurm(#) - Falcynn says wurm sent him a PM claiming to have protected him
imDerek - claims to have protected Alventenie first night, who survived 1 hit
Hollander - claimed to have protected Emp who did not get hit
L - claimed medic role, protected Emp night 1
KH1031 - claimed to have protected Emp night 1

Hollander and Grandim are almost surely innocent. imderek possibly.

L, Heros and KH are suspect but I have to go back and check past PMs - I think KH is legit.

Of course Lucas and wurm are both dead.


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how does our medic list shape up?

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oh btw let me explain the full situation:

The chat room had in total at any one time:

Showtime!
4 BGS
3 DTS
1 Jack (supposed)

The problem was with the Jack. He might have messed up some info, might not but I was still suspicious up until Day 2 - someone would have had to come forward by then but no one did.

Then something strange happened. He kept telling me he was using his DT powers "all the time" and Chuiu was forgetting. This was my first alert.

The second was the list, I didn't think ALL those guys were innocent. HE was "confusing" himself by saying he meant to check the "randombumlist" but checked the "bumatlarge" list. Either way this doesn't make sense with the adding and deleting some names.

The FINAL nail in the coffin? 3 BGS died in one night - only the ones in the channel. The info had to be leaked because the channel was on a different server from the TL.net channel purposely AND you had to guess the name.

So in confidence for now, I'm giving you the name - DECAFCHICKEN. See if you can find any clues to him. So far I've seen his name pop up once. Good luck in your analysis.

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Thats fine with me

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later tonight, as you can see I'll be having to go through a lot of info to change things around now.

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Hey Ace,

I hope you can still trust that i am a townie after that incident of arkive being mafia. Anyway, possible you could send me over a list of innocents? Would mean i could better focus my searching ^^



From: Plexa
Subject: Re: Medics
Date: 4/11/08 17:40
kk better spend them wisely then!

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also

Energies(Ordell) kills look like this.

1.)Queasy
2.)Chezinu

BC(Max)

1.) Shadowdragon

butIdigress(louis?)

1.) bumatlarge


So we should have 4 total vigi kills left.
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Original Message:
ok awesome - we'll let naruto sit tight tonight then

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Original Message:
Im with it. I'll give the order to BloodyCobbler tomorrow night.

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Original Message:
I propose this, we vigil KH

If he is medic, then we know decaf is blue
If he is red, then we celebrate and know decaf is red

Medic is less important than jack so its better to do it this way imo

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Original Message:
well it's a gamble but...

If a vigi kills decaf who has so much evidence pointing towards him right now turns him Mafia, then KH101 is Mafia because he lied and we just caught 2 for the price of 1 and our medic problem should be over.

If decaf turns blue well we dont know shit about KH101 yet anyway.

If anyone else turns out Mafia from the meds that should make both of them legit.

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Original Message:
kk ill keep that in mind

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Original Message:

and Heros too.


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Original Message:
So right now our medic suspects are L and KH right?



From: decafchicken
Subject: Re: holy shit
Date: 4/12/08 07:22
yea
i know people are skeptical of azn, but he's def innocent.

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Original Message:
so those 2 are innocent?

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Original Message:
OH FUCK
i just realized what happened with the voting.
I MEANT to check bumatlarge, and asked for randombum(confirmed via screenshot of my PM to chuiu) instead (must've mixed up the two bum names T_T), which is why i sent you the list of 11 people or w/e that voted for bumatlarge, when i should have sent you this list of innocents:
aZnvaLiaNce
SonuvBob(2)
who voted for randombum
sorry for the massive fuck up T_T

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Original Message:
screen shot it

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Original Message:
so i just read the mafia thread...and it looks like i fucked up or something? here's the PM from when i did a vote check:


0.

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Original Message:
i'd like to use my detective ability and know how many mafia voted for randombum


oh so i guess i did mean random bum and not bumatlarge, my bad. then i just copied the first list i saw in the vote thread.
and it definitely was somebody else, because i got hit too (i will screenshot my inbox if you want T_T)



From: Plexa
Subject: Re: correction
Date: 4/12/08 19:03
kk awesome

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Original Message:
that list of 6 innocents is one of my first priorities atm

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Original Message:
try to get some protection of fusionsdf - atleast if i day you still have him around. He's really great at analysing stuff and im worried that mafia will try to hit him and me

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Original Message:
nothing is set up yet, I've been thinking of an alternate plan just in case Decaf is innocent and KH is innocent too. I'll get to that later.

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Original Message:
T_T

how are the protections looking for tonight?

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Original Message:
almost

I'm about to update you on some PMs I received. Everytime I want to clear Heros)Pink as being 100% legit he does something to make me doubt him.

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Original Message:
Re: the medic situation

If KH turns blue, then we know L is mafia
If KH turns red, then we know Decaf is red

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Original Message:
I kept calling him KH101, its KH1031



From: Plexa
Subject: Re: First - Decaf situation
Date: 4/12/08 19:24
Thats quite a good plan actually :O

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Original Message:
he hasn't used anything today. However, I'm thinking about how to use him to our advantage. I'm thinking of making him be a Vigi and carry a hit out on a high priority target. Having him hit KH1031 may be a good idea.

If they are both Mafia, KH1031 can't die and decaf is found out to be mafia by default.

Decaf can't be mafia and KH1031 be innocent because that would mean a vigi acted w/o telling any of us he put a hit on decaf. Highly unlikely.

If both are innocent, well we only lose a medic without giving any info to anyone else not in the situation which is better than what we had before.



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Original Message:
Thats believable - whats his role today?

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Original Message:
Here is a series of PMs between myself and Decaf where he tries to explain his slip up:

From: decafchicken
Subject: Re: holy shit
Date: 4/12/08 07:22
yea
i know people are skeptical of azn, but he's def innocent.

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Original Message:
so those 2 are innocent?

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Original Message:
OH FUCK
i just realized what happened with the voting.
I MEANT to check bumatlarge, and asked for randombum(confirmed via screenshot of my PM to chuiu) instead (must've mixed up the two bum names T_T), which is why i sent you the list of 11 people or w/e that voted for bumatlarge, when i should have sent you this list of innocents:
aZnvaLiaNce
SonuvBob(2)
who voted for randombum
sorry for the massive fuck up T_T

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Original Message:
screen shot it

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Original Message:
so i just read the mafia thread...and it looks like i fucked up or something? here's the PM from when i did a vote check:


0.

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Original Message:
i'd like to use my detective ability and know how many mafia voted for randombum


oh so i guess i did mean random bum and not bumatlarge, my bad. then i just copied the first list i saw in the vote thread.
and it definitely was somebody else, because i got hit too (i will screenshot my inbox if you want T_T)


--------------End of PMs

Besides the compelling evidence of before if you notice Decaf has never sent me the PM as proof. I don't think I need to remind him of that because if he was really innocent I'm sure that would have been his first priority. Even though he could have really messed up by switching the names there's still the fact of the evidence from before. Right now him + KH1031 are high priority.



From: Plexa
Subject: Re: Second - The Pink situation
Date: 4/12/08 20:05
pretty sure he did

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Original Message:
ok so then Naruto killed bumatlarge then.

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Original Message:
incorrect he has acted - he has one kill left

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Original Message:
but Naruto never acted so he shouldn't have an ID from the day posts.

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Original Message:
i can tell you who naruto is, but ill have to search my pms

best to keep everything on a need to know basis i suppose

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Original Message:
well Naruto can't be Louis since he never acted which is making me wonder whats up with Pink's info.

we know ahrara isn't ordell but of course pink may think so.

No clue how he got KH1031 out to be max.

I'm willing to let him think he's right just in case he is mafia - that would make tonight's kill list kind of a give away if Naruto died.

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Original Message:
Interesting set of clues. Obviously, i know all the vigils and seeing KH's name come up initially is rather odd.. oh well...

I doubt pink is mafia, but i don't know why they would hit Ordell anyway? He doesn't have any shots left haha but i suppose its a confidence blow for the town if we lose a vigil

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Original Message:
Heros)Pink has been off and on my radar countless times mostly for being brash and complaining I don't tell him anything. However this situation played out today. First thing I got is this PM from ahrara about Pink:

From: ahrara_
Subject: heros)pink
Date: 4/12/08 02:59
transcript of dialogue w/ heros)pink:

I'm not really the vigi, but if I die tonight, you'll know Pink is mafia. it's cool cause i've been inactive the last couple days anyawy.


---
ya, i am

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Original Message:
I really need this information to see if my other clues are good or not
anyway at this time in the game you can tell me the truth, ask ace im a townie.

Are you Ordell(vigi) (tell me the truth, anyway you doesnt have killed power anyway so it would be pointless to kill you (if i was mafia)


----End of PM

Obviously I know who all the vigis are and their IDs. After reading this I thought ok, maybe it's just 2 innocents lying to each other because they dont trust one another which isn't a big deal. Then this series of PMs between myself and Pink occured:


From: HeRoS)Pink
Subject: Re: mafia
Date: 4/12/08 05:03
first you have to tell me who is the false jack + who do you think is Louis, maybe its the same , I have been really carefull with the one saying he was Louis to me, never said anything about my role, just said i was pure townie. He said he was all the time talking with plexa.(can't prove that)
The one I think is Louis is one of the few player accused in the beginning and that some poeple still think he's mafia

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Original Message:
really? well someone is lying about something because I have a good idea who Louis is.

Who told you that they are Louis?

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Original Message:
Ordell is araav because The main clue about Ordell is the running thing (jogged, etc) and araav_ is the only one related to that. but COULD LTT BE Max? my guess is that LTT is Either Max or Mr.Orange so mafia or townie so thats why I didnt post anything about him earlier since there could have been a bangwagon thing on him and could have been a vigi. we can't affort losing a vigi
You probably know only 2 vigi? or theres one you know but never made him attack. I know who louis is and he said he never sent you his role, thats probably the reason of that dumb move on Chiezinu.

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Original Message:
neither are 100% innocent but we can't tell if they are guilty till tonight when a vigi goes active.

why do you think araav is ordell?

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Original Message:
oups sorry for the other pm,
Once again im asking for your help, I have figured out by myself that araav was Ordell, I also know who Louis is but not max yet,
I need to know who are the player you are 100% sure about
If you cannot provide me that list
Tell me if LTT or L have been found innocent

From: HeRoS)Pink
Subject: Re: mafia again
Date: 4/12/08 05:06
believe me I wont release any info. I need to know as many innocent as possible to get a smaller list of poeple to look at, and possibly relate caractere to a single player which would help us.

I wonder why you arent cooperating with me, I'm on your 100% confirmed townie list, I know it.

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Original Message:
I cant release the name yet, if he turns out innocent thru some other actions we are about to take then we dont want to accidentally let that info out.

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Original Message:
Please tell me who the false jack is atm, I could possibly relate a clue towards him, but from what you have said in the channel , you will either sent on him a vigi or he's either Siefu or Evilmonkey.

From: HeRoS)Pink
Subject: mafia
Date: 4/12/08 05:14
can you at least confirm this
Ordell : araav_
Max : KH1031
Louis : G.S)Naruto


I've got no idea how he knows about Naruto except maybe someone told him. No idea how he came to KH1031. We see how he got araav. Of course both of us know this info is completely wrong. But Pink is begging for info on the Vigi identities.

I don't think he's paying attention to whats been happening lately and exactly why I won't give him any info. Let me know what you make of these PMs



From: Plexa
Subject: Re: Hey
Date: 4/14/08 11:56
thats interesting, i had forgotten about that.. nice to know he's up on a list

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Original Message:

I've always got qrs down because even when he knew I was innocent he'd still say "your still probably mafia" as if hoping to see if people would agree with him.


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Original Message:
T_T that would suck tremendously

the other list that took my interest was
CDRDude
ulszz
nemY
araav
infundibulum
ahara_
nightmare
qrs

and none of those people except for infundibulum i've ever considered being mafia before =/

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Original Message:
indeed. The worst case scenario is decaf, L, and KH1031 all being legit and dying.

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Original Message:
sureshots? i think..

im hoping midnight is mafia, i hope L is a medic
well if gladius dies tonight then we know that L is more likely mafia

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Original Message:
for some reason I swear I saw a list like that and thought of L or Midnight Gladius being mafia.

Which voting list was that off of again?

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Original Message:
herers
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Heres an interesting fact;

One out of;
SmurfingChobo
MTF
unsoundlogic
mightnightgladius
L
is mafia

using this list and eliminating unlikely suspects we get left with midnight, MTF and L

Original Message:
I do also.

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Original Message:
KH is still a suspect though, and im pretty sure its between him and L..

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Original Message:
decaf is still suspect remember.

I told him to kill KH1031 tonight. I also had another idea about that.

If we told one of our legit medics to protect KH1031, and decaf tried to kill him would that save KH1031? Then the medic would told us he got hit giving us the right info all in one night.

What ya think?

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Original Message:
SonuvBob is innocent if Decaf's list is correct



From: MTF
Subject: Hey.
Date: 4/16/08 16:18
First time PMing you and all, but I wanted to bring to your attention some things me and Plexa were discussing via PM.


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Plexa:
So we hit worst possible scenario last night ...

What about L as mafia, he is on the "medic" list as well as on the L/chobo etc list
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MTF:
I think L might be Enigma.


1. According to the PM you sent me with the night assignments, L was asked to protect decafchicken on Night 5.

2.
created L as a "force of justice"



"why we're here to rid the world of good, because we're the only ones who can".



3.
L Lawliet (エル・ローライト, Eru Rōraito?), commonly referred to by his alias "L" (エル, Eru?), is a fictional character in the manga and anime series Death Note. He is considered the world's greatest detective,



noticed Enigma writing a note, perhaps with the intention to replace Empyreans findings with false ones to throw the town off.



4.
Obata believes that the design evokes "a feeling of mystery" and that the reader cannot determine L's true thoughts.



5.
Obata asked Ohba if L could be "unattractive."

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Plexa:
Me and Camlito reached the exact same conclusion about 20 minutes ago
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MTF:
So, what's the plan of action likely to look like?
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Plexa:
He's got to be mafia... theres just so much evidence against him... Either that or he is in the wrong place at the wrong time consistently
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MTF:
The fact that he protected decaf the night before and has such evidence pointed at him is enough to target him on, I think.

Has he protected/did he know the role of anyone other than Emp and decaf?
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Plexa:
i dont know.. he's protected me before though
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MTF:
Well, you're obviously a target with or without Mafia knowing that for sure through a mole. XD

I think it'd be a good idea to lynch King Mountain Snake and vigi-kill (if we have any of those left) L. Provided we're right and they both turn up red, Mafia kill power goes down to 6 and your mole is gone.
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Plexa:
Today is a difficult day because of the fact Ace is roleblocked =/ We have one vigil left - the others have used up their shots. I suppose its best to lynch penguin and vigil L because if L turns up blue then atleast it saves face



From: Plexa
Subject: Re: mistake
Date: 4/16/08 19:48
Me, MTF and Camlito all arrived at the same conclusion at approximately the same time (~20mins in it i think)

L is enigma, connection is from L the deathnote character

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Original Message:
the last PM I had it reversed. L is NOT confirmed, Pink is. Waiting on a PM.



From: Camlito
Subject: hi
Date: 5/17/08 19:55
Me and plexa discussed it, and i said id have his balls if damagecontrol was mafia, becuase i was so sure of sureshot.


Sureshot is my no.1 now just to let you know :D.



From: Plexa
Subject: So...
Date: 6/3/08 12:39
What did i say!! I told you he was the saboteur Most logical place to hide him



From: Plexa
Subject: Re: lulz
Date: 6/14/08 10:22
oh god he's hilarious

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Original Message:
hahaha ah yea I think that'll make him get lynched now. Pissing people off isnt a great way to do survive.

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Original Message:
lololol
"Unlike many Americans, I actually have a work ethic and hold a desire for good grades."

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Original Message:
ah yea. He's making classic mafia mistakes now:

accusing ppl who accuse him of being mafia
typing all kinds of excuses why he was inactive
says his name was thrown around b4 BUT he's never been so close to being lynched
all kinds of dumb logic in all his posts
he said other people are better mafia targets but cant name them

lol oh man this is kinda sad

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Original Message:
roflllll
epic mafia defense

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Original Message:
LMAO omg.

Oz is really, really, really bad under pressure



From: Alethios
Subject: i seem to have died
Date: 6/15/08 11:47
Shit.



From: Plexa
Subject: Re: gah
Date: 7/8/08 15:42
nope pretty much everyone i've talked to that knows the mafia picked itu p

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Original Message:
I thought I was the only one to catch that hahahaha

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Original Message:
i know T_T its so goddam mafia rigged its rediculous

seriously
KF comes from nowhere, first post in this game, and votes for nemy

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Original Message:
lmao look at the list of people who voted for nemy.

Good lord the town cant possibly fuck THIS up.

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Original Message:
one fucking vote -.-
chuiu should of left it open for another 12~ hours



There were also lots of Pms from MTF, Cam, ~Opz~, all the medics, my bodyguards, jeez a lot of people. Like I said there were many more contributors besides the main ones and it was a great town effort. This game was FUN
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
araav
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Armenia1590 Posts
August 05 2008 13:02 GMT
#6885
The WIN was A Good Save from Plexa and other clue-analyzers. I call it a SAVE, becasue Ace fucked it up pretty badly - leaking so much of confideincial information is immature.

Now I want to thank Plexa, Camilto, MTF and other clue-analyzers for their amazing job for the town.
The flower that blooms in adversity is the most rare and beautiful of all.
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
August 05 2008 13:32 GMT
#6886
araav what the hell are you talking about. What confidential information did I leak?
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
August 05 2008 13:56 GMT
#6887
rofl yea seriously if anything i fucked the town over more than anything !!

fusionsdf was like to me "dude you should take that post down or it will get found" - and i was like roflrofl no one will find it unless they know its there... and well.. =/ damn mandalor and his free time

ultimately Ace was awesome this game - you guys don't know all the behind the scenes work he did; twas awesome.

MTF was a god omfg dude you were so fucking accurate it made me look like shit! Town would have lost if it weren't for you

Camlito served his purpose super well good job as well man even thought the DC lynch went through!! atleast we caught some mafia by that fuckup t.t;;

congrats all round mafia played it super-well as well LTT and L fucked us over so many goddam times t.t;;
Administrator~ Spirit will set you free ~
Showtime!
Profile Joined November 2007
Canada2938 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-08-05 15:14:53
August 05 2008 14:07 GMT
#6888
Plexa and Ace were our MVPs this game.

MTF and NemY would be my runners up.

As for the mafia: Bockit, LTT and randombum.

Not like it was that hard finding our irc channel when a few of the guys were using their TL.net names. lol

I give props to randombum for staying alive so long. The Eddie character gave the town some difficulty. It was obvious Eddie was also the saboteur and Ace never trusted randombum to begin with. With great power comes great responsibility. Randombum really had all the power in the world.

Finally we got to thank Chuiu for putting up with all the BS. He's a very, very good writer. The clues he left us were really sick and in most cases pertained not only to mafia members, but our blues as well (I especially like the reference to Family Guy).

Great job guys!!
Mini skirt season is right around the corner. ☻
KH1031
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
United States862 Posts
August 05 2008 14:53 GMT
#6889
this has been fun.

although the way i died wasn't.

hehe
Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
August 05 2008 14:53 GMT
#6890
I was loling everytime somebody accused me of clues relating to my name/sig.

Fun fact: I picked EvilMonkey. because of the "red moon" that was mentioned. The red moon is a lunar eclipse, and whether by coincidence or Chuiu, the last lunar eclipse was EvilMonkey.'s birthday, so I was all over that lol.

Also Ace worked his tail off, you guys have no idea how much of an IRC whore he was in our little planning and schemeing room.
Watch me fail at Paradox: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=397564
Amber[LighT]
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States5078 Posts
August 05 2008 15:06 GMT
#6891
On April 19 2008 02:39 Amber[LighT] wrote:
Okay so I was coming home from work today and I am switching my vote to CraziePenguin. Why?! I saw this on the way home:

[image loading]


Dont forget pengiun, I'm always gonna remember this :p
"We have unfinished business, I and he."
Kau *
Profile Joined March 2007
Canada3500 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-08-05 15:29:18
August 05 2008 15:28 GMT
#6892
On August 05 2008 20:45 Ace wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +

Stop at top of 31


Suspects:

ahrara_ - doesn't read or plainly is Mafia because he is calling a pretty logical plan bad (p.20). However, he caught on to Empyrean's bad logic to get the Mayoral election.

His plan is to lynch the real DT anyway to see if he's legit...possibly bad, but can be good. He isn't 100% as dumb as he sounds though.


aZnvaLiaNce - asking to put strategy behind us the first night, clearly stupid or crazy. says he supports me after the plan is posted.

araav - ran for mayor on ridiculous pretenses

SonofaBob - voted for araav on even more ridiculous pretenses

CDRDude - shaky posts on page 21, calling araav's platform "good" when it was clearly crap

Plexa - says never to trust an australian with 10 posts (Ghar) p.21

EvilMonkey - nonsense posts

xDark.Carnivalx - seems logical for now but voted for Araav, bandwagoner?

Naib - claims Araav's posts make the most sense when they clearly dont, accusing Ghar already

Empryean claims DT on Mayor voting Day, so early when it isn't even needed much. He is clearly leading to some confusion among the Townies, and is already starting to point fingers (at ahrara). He "concedes" to me after he realizes it's almost a sure bet I will be elected Mayor, and instead Happily settles for Pardoner. He also isn't "defending" himself with any reason when suspicious posts of his are pointed out.

Bockit - complete nonsense

Somuchbetter - seems like a smart guy, understood the plan Ghar/myself suggested and is willing to embrace it.

Amber[Light] - thought he was smart, but posted something completely off the wall that no sane person would have - I think he may be scum

Lenwe - voted for randombum, but posted a pretty good reason for why. Is playing cautious.

qrs - thinking way too much about the wrong things,however is willing to follow the BodyGuard Plan and has seen how it works out. He questions almost everything I do, which is good but it seems to come from posts other people make. Hopefully it's just enthusiam and not a sheepish mentality over proving my status.

Heros)Pink - saying not to put Ghar in position because clues point to him even though they really dont, is vying for Empyrean against me and Ghar. THis dude is very odd, as even when logic stares him in the face he refuses to look.

RtS)Night[Mare - think Empryean wouldn't be Mafia again is a bad idea to start off with. advocated voting on only 4 players and "closing the vote" even when only 35 votes were cast. Blindly supporting Empyrean even when it's obvious Emp is acting weird.

L - seems to be thinking smart. Sharp guy, seems to be supporting me.

BWdero - puts Ghar on his suspect list just because others have also, bandwagoner?

Klive5ive - is very opposed to myself and Ghar for Mayor. Klive is also supporting voting for Empryean. He is trying to post logical, but his logic is clearly backwards. Mafia?
Is VERY opposed to myself and Ghar. He even sounds shady when posting as he wants to kill Townies somewhat fast. He also supported araav. Extremely blind support of Empyrean, assumes he is innocent off the bat.

Falcynn - Seems to be working towards the greater goal of the Town. Seems logical.

Shallow[Bay] - very off the wall, but is posting clues which helps. He may be a hidden weapon against Mafia if he would stop being so crazy.


Mynock - seems very logical in his posts, levelheaded for sure

Yogurt - what the fuck? supporting Empyrean based on nonsense. Changed his vote to me AFTER empyrean "conceded" his election to me. His first vote for Empyrean was in the midst of nowhere.

Falcynn - as of now I think he may be Townie, as he is generally helpful with everything he does. votes with logic and questions stupidity.

Hittegods - seems genuinely interested in how the plan works.

spoinka - voted for me asap but doesn't post often

Naib - also voted for me even though he seems to be second guessing himself

GeneralStan - seems genuinely good, smart enough to see Empyrean's shit

Lysithea - decent

JeeJee - heavily against Empyrean and all he stands for

Last Romantic - likes the bodyguard plan but voted for Empyrean and would vote for araav

Ziel - supports Bodyguard plan and Ghar, realizes we must carry the plan out

zeks -quiet towny, not really bad so far. advocates Mayor and Paronder work together

caller - admits to being a flip flop, wants Pardoner

Hollander - vigilant in getting clues

bumatlarge -called out empyrean to prove his innocent

Wysp - seems like a solid, reasonable guy. Has been against Empyrean from the get go.

LucasWoj - seems to be a misguided townie, not sure of what to do at all. May have good intentions but he claims medic, and claimed to protect Shallow[bay] the first night.



Aww man, even after arguing about the bodyguard plan I didn't even get put on your list ^^?

Edit: And did you send butidigress after me or was that him being vigilante?
Moderator
fusionsdf
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada15390 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-08-05 15:37:39
August 05 2008 15:35 GMT
#6893
<Lenwe> yo

<Ace> sup

<Ace> I'll forward you 2 a PM from scorch

<Ace> he wants to vote check who voted for me, (fusiondf) on day 4

<Ace> but I want to vote check TranceStorm's list

<Lenwe> i think we should go with trance

<Lenwe> more data there =/

<Ace> indeed

<Ace> but the fusion check gets one out of that 7 ppl out of the way

<Lenwe> that's true, but it only gets us 1 whatever the result

<Ace> it knocks down the mafia killing power, but I dont know if that matters at this point

<Ace> they never got 9 kills in a night

<Lenwe> yeah, that is strange


------------
hmmm

so I was an early suspect?
I was wondering whether that would work out
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Empyrean
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
16987 Posts
August 05 2008 15:57 GMT
#6894
Ace, you have no clue how much I wanted you guys to focus on randombum.

Too bad I died.
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Infundibulum
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States2552 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-08-05 16:29:01
August 05 2008 16:26 GMT
#6895
Is it bad that I'm already excited for next game?

also, Ace, those PMs are hilarious to read now that the game is over
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Scorch
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Austria3371 Posts
August 05 2008 17:47 GMT
#6896
On August 06 2008 00:35 fusionsdf wrote:
so I was an early suspect?
I was wondering whether that would work out

It wasn't you in particular, there were multiple possibilities. Here's my PM conversation with Ace on the matter:
+ Show Spoiler +
right now it makes sense to ignore useless and azn for the time being, since the mafia that was caught was confirmed in one of those 7.

Also, we are thinking about vote checking the list with Trancestorm since that frees up more people faster. But we're discussing the plan now.

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Original Message:
we should be able to work around this if you vote-check someone else then. the vigilante would then have to assassinate someone else obviously. the logic applies to both directions of the Chezinu-fusionsdf and aZnvaLiaNce-useLess pairs, so we can still carry out the plan. these are the possible votes to check for the detective:

Ninja4ever. - 1 (day 2)
Chezinu
--> kill fusionsdf if Chezinu is townie

zeks - 1 (day 3)
aZnvaLiaNce(2)
--> kill useLess if aZnvaLiaNce is townie

Ace - 1 (day 4)
fusionsdf
--> kill Chezinu if fusionsdf is townie

unfortunately, there is no convenient vote by useLess, but the three above should be enough already. we have three possible alternatives, so you can leave the two supposed power roles alive. you don't even need to tell me the two rolebearers in case you don't trust me, hehe

convinced yet?

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Original Message:
good idea. There is only ONE major problem with it being that 2 of those guys may carry an important role

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Original Message:
hi!

based on my observations in the quote at the bottom, i have a strategic suggestion to make.

let your lone detective check the votes for Ace on day 4 (that would be only fusionsdf). if fusionsdf is mafia, obviously we know who to hit. now comes the fun part. if he is innocent, let a vigilante kill Chezinu!

now if Chezinu turns out mafia, we successfully reduced mafia killing power and we know that either useLess or aZnvaLiaNce are mafia, and that imDerek, Alventenie and Evilmonkey are all innocent.

Should both Chezinu and fusionsdf be townies (worst case. cost: 1 detective check, 1 vigilante hit, 1 townie), we can at least deduce that useLess and aZnvaLiaNce are innocent too, and that there is one mafia among imDerek, Alventenie and Evilmonkey.

now this is kind of costly and risky. is your detective even free to act or has he already used up his powers for today? alternatively, you could tell the jack to act as a detective, if possible. it is also quite likely that we'll kill a townie or two on the way. i'm willing to take this risk though, especially since noone of the seven suspects appears to be overly active or useful in the thread.

what do you say? at least it is a plan. the last day was really chaotic and fruitless, i think we need some direction.

see you,
Scorch

On April 07 2008 17:04 Scorch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 07 2008 15:16 MidnightGladius wrote:
Cross-referencing some lists:
+ Show Spoiler +

Confirmed Innocent:

MTF
SpiritoftheTuna
d.arkive
Pangolin
Plexa
~OpZ~
NatsuTerran
Eti307
Empyrean
JoxxOr
Romance_us
BloodyC0bbler


Ghar - 7(now 5) (1 Mafia)
useLess
aZnvaLiaNce
ShadowDrgn
Alventenie
imDerek
TranceStorm
Evilmonkey.


Ace - 7(now 5) (1 Mafia)
Chezinu
Alventenie
imDerek
TranceStorm
fusionsdf
~OpZ~
Evilmonkey.


Here, the following coincide in the two lists:

imDerek
Evilmonkey
Alventenie


Whereas these occur once:

Chezinu
useLess
aZnvaLiaNce
fusionsdf


Of these, the following can easily be count-checked:

fusionsdf (only one voting for Ace)
Chezinu (only one voting for Ninja4ever)
---
aZnvaLiaNce voted for TranceStorm with 13 others, so that's a dead end for now.


Abstentions:

imDerek
Evilmonkey
Alventenie
useLess


Do with this what you will.


I'd like to emphasize this once more:

We have the following certain information:
EITHER one out of
- imDerek
- Evilmonkey
- Alventenie

is mafia, OR two out of
- Chezinu
- useLess
- aZnvaLiaNce
- fusionsdf

are mafia.
From among the second list, only one of useLess and aZnvaLiaNce can be mafia - not both -, and only one of Chezinu and fusionsdf can be mafia.

At worst, we have a 1/7 chance to get a mafia from among these, a stunning 2/4 at best, so i emphatically suggest we take this path in our investigations. Keep your eyes open for evidence against any of these guys!

My gut feeling says it's either useLess and fusionsdf or Evilmonkey, but it's just that: an unfounded gut feeling.
It later turned out that my strategy was based on decaf's incorrect detective list. Luckily the plan was never carried out
qrs
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States3637 Posts
August 05 2008 18:13 GMT
#6897
I nominate araav as most unheralded townie. His coding was very helpful.
'As per the American Heart Association, the beat of the Bee Gees song "Stayin' Alive" provides an ideal rhythm in terms of beats per minute to use for hands-only CPR. One can also hum Queen's "Another One Bites The Dust".' —Wikipedia
Mynock
Profile Joined September 2002
4492 Posts
August 05 2008 21:04 GMT
#6898
In retrospect I realized how the biggest mistake I made was being overprotective against TOWN instead of against Mafia. Somewhere instinctively I was worried more of getting lynched by the Town than being hit by Mafia, because I myself was just a plain townie with no special role, thus of little use as a target for mobsters.

Ace's early note regarding me might be pleasant to read, but was also the cause of my early downfall Ah well, I wanted to do so much more in this game - here's hoping I'll survive a bit longer to accomplish some of it in the next.

Oh, and reading that "defense" by Oz was absolutely hilarious, I literally LOL-ed at some places
Bill307
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
Canada9103 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-08-05 21:18:09
August 05 2008 21:11 GMT
#6899
QUESTION FOR BWdero / iNfuNdiBuLuM / KF91 / HotZhot:

After successfully lynching nemy, why did you guys kill off two of the townies who voted for him (thus narrowing our best list of suspects in the end) instead of killing the people who voted for BWdero?

Were you trying to trick the town into thinking the mafia didn't stack the vote against nemy, or thinking bwdero might be innocent since you guys didn't try to silence any of the people who voted for him?


Edit: lol @ those PMs Ace posted. Thanks for sharing them.

Also lol @ Ace conversing with mafia Lenwe.


Edit 2: I hope that next game, Chuiu restricts the participants to be mostly / entirely people who were active in this game. Especially the really clever clue analysers and cunning mafia. All the planning, strategies, and mind games at the beginning were epic, and imo every mafia game should be like that.
Bill307
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
Canada9103 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-08-05 21:23:16
August 05 2008 21:21 GMT
#6900
Something funny I just noticed in the IRC log: on "5th Infiltration - Day 5", LTT was pretending to be Lenwe after Lenwe was dead, and having a convo about the game and everything. If he was the real Lenwe then this could be considered cheating, or at least dishonourable. But since he's an imposter, it's perfectly fine for him to keep discussing the game with the living townies after the real Lenwe has died.
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