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Scorch
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Austria3371 Posts
March 25 2008 20:39 GMT
#2786
Ace himself said that he doesn't care about clues, but behaviour exclusively
Scorch
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Austria3371 Posts
March 26 2008 09:27 GMT
#2893
On March 26 2008 17:56 Alethios wrote:
As i've said, I don't believe you are mafia... but you COULD be.

->All it takes is for you to be a regular cultist. Detectives look at you, return nothing and thus don't speak out.

i don't believe it works that way. i definitely think asking Chuiu about a vanilla mafia's role would yield "plain mafia", not "no special role". what would be the point of the ability otherwise? i think Chuiu would have warned us after the detective plan was presented if the detective ability worked this way.
Scorch
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Austria3371 Posts
March 26 2008 11:48 GMT
#2908
whoever it is, showtime should mind his manners, if he has any. he has been annoying for a long time already, and now he's starting to be rude too.
Scorch
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Austria3371 Posts
March 26 2008 12:03 GMT
#2910
would it really be a problem to say those things in a civilized way? you know, it doesn't make your point any stronger if you call someone a dumbass.
Scorch
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Austria3371 Posts
March 27 2008 15:26 GMT
#3122
well maybe he'll be banned once he is dead or the game is over, who knows? he has sufficiently showed what a immature, primitive character he is.
Scorch
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Austria3371 Posts
March 27 2008 16:29 GMT
#3130
don't tell me you would have killed wurm this night if you were mafia. it was obvious way before the end of the night that wurm will be lynched today. why would they waste their own killing power when they could just sit and wait for the town to do the dirty work? this makes the town waste a lynch, and possibly weakens the mayor's position should wurm turn out to be innocent. if it doesn't happen, they can always kill him any night after that, and maybe even blow up multiple medics at once with the suicide bomber.
Scorch
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Austria3371 Posts
March 27 2008 16:40 GMT
#3133
now are we lynching wurm? yes? there you have it.
it wouldn't have been a large cost for the mafia to target him with 1 power (and they can still always do that later!). it is a very large cost for the town to waste a lynch however. a good trade for the bad guys.
Scorch
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Austria3371 Posts
March 27 2008 16:56 GMT
#3141
i'd rather kill a mafia than an individualist. as i read your posts, you aren't 100% convinced of wurm's guilt, right? i'm under the impression that you want to make an example of wurm, not to stand up against this... regime. how about we concentrate on clues and information that every townie has, not only your elite circle of "confirmed" innocents, to find actual mafias?
of course wurm could be a mafioso, but i'm far from believing that considering the lack of clues in day posts.
Scorch
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Austria3371 Posts
March 27 2008 17:09 GMT
#3146
On March 28 2008 01:58 araav wrote:
the only problem with wurm for me till now is his "GL town" thing

btw, the Shotime thing is not clear to me, why on earth would the fucktard like him be protected? Does he have a special role?

dunno, it's better to waste a detective check than a lynch ANYWAY.

showtime sure acts like he is the king of the world, and claims to know a lot, so he is probably in close contact with Ace due to an alleged power role. this doesn't mean he's legit though. if he knew beforehand that lucas protected him (which i don't know), he could just say that he was hit although he wasn't because he is a mafia. if people believed him, that would cement him as an innocent. i have no idea how likely this is, but i don't think it can be absolutely ruled out.
Scorch
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Austria3371 Posts
March 27 2008 17:17 GMT
#3150
On March 28 2008 02:11 Ace wrote:
Scorch: Lucas PM'd me telling me Showtime got hit.

Lucas was a medic, confirmed through death. Why would he lie?

i missed the part in the OP where it says the protecting medic is informed too. disregard my post then, sorry.

i vote for A), use a role check on wurm. relatively low cost, possible high reward of not wasting a precious lynch on a townie. and if wurm fails the detective test, noone will argue against lynching him.
Scorch
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Austria3371 Posts
March 28 2008 08:35 GMT
#3310
oh, the drama!

1) when (time stamp) did lucas send the medic confirmation pm to ace? if it was after the day post, lucas was definitely dead at that point and his action was against the rules. did he actually pm that chuiu told him that he had successfully saved showtime, or did lucas only say that he was going to protect showtime? in the second case, showtime might not actually have been hit.

2)
On March 28 2008 12:17 Showtime! wrote:
i'm basically the only one who isn't going by my tl.net name but it is pwed now and shit. On top of that it was very well hidden or so believed.

do i understand this right? you had an external chatroom without password protection and only pw'ed it after the incident? then it shouldn't come as a surprise that someone just walked in.
Scorch
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Austria3371 Posts
March 28 2008 08:54 GMT
#3312
On March 28 2008 17:41 wurm wrote:
lol. YEAH! game continues. Lay down the law Chuiu.

well, my vote is down for Showtime. Anybody else wanna follow suit?

i'm tempted to do so based on his mannerisms, but that would be childish.
Scorch
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Austria3371 Posts
March 28 2008 15:14 GMT
#3344
On March 28 2008 23:04 Showtime! wrote:
Lucas got killed last night. If you look on the first page you'll notice he was a paramedic. Chuiu sends every player a PM saying whether or not you took a hit last night and a paramedic saved you. He's a blue. We only sent out one vig. last night against shadowdrgn. :. it is impossible for me and lucas to be mafia

how about this: either lucas broke the game rules (telling ace that he saved showtime after his own death), or he didn't say anything on whether or not he successfully protected anyone, or showtime is lying and wasn't actually hit.
I call bullshit on araav I would have not brought this up if he the dick didn't try to pull such a bullheaded move. We have the logs. I haven't left and besides that yes it was well-hidden now get your heads out of your asses and araav smarten up.

show me those logs and i will vote to lynch araav, even though araav invading the chatroom doesn't mean he is mafia.
Scorch
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Austria3371 Posts
March 28 2008 15:25 GMT
#3348
then what is araav's role? is he mafia?
Scorch
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Austria3371 Posts
March 28 2008 17:31 GMT
#3382
i'm quite sure they are aware of that possibility. but still, with only 3 detective actions per day, not everybody can be checked.
Scorch
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Austria3371 Posts
March 29 2008 19:48 GMT
#3460
Damnit! I was really convinced of Ghar being mafia. Not surprised to see that wurm was indeed a medic though.
Scorch
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Austria3371 Posts
April 02 2008 11:18 GMT
#3591
Blame Showtime!
Scorch
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Austria3371 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-04-03 07:24:09
April 03 2008 07:22 GMT
#3629
Showtime! and a mafia are dead, and i live. Hurray! The loss of two detectives hurts a lot though. We're really running out of sources of information with only one jack and one detective remaining. I hope Empyrean and New104 told Ace their revelations before they died. Now let's kill another mafia to reduce their killing power!
Edit: Do we have a double lynch available today or was Ace roleblocked?
Scorch
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Austria3371 Posts
April 03 2008 07:26 GMT
#3632
I thought he was a veteran, making himself a target for the mafia and thus wasting their killing power which they would otherwise use on more profitable targets.
Scorch
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Austria3371 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-04-03 09:12:12
April 03 2008 08:55 GMT
#3634
ok, now to analyze some clues. let's see what i can find. this is just stuff that quickly caught my eye, some superficial links to people's profiles using the list at http://teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=67925&currentpage=20#385 . i have yet to look deeper and see how this fits with the mafia character profiles and clues from earlier days. most of these are only wild accusations which aren't based on much.
On April 03 2008 15:33 Chuiu wrote:
Along the way he noticed Enigma writing a note, perhaps with the intention to replace Empyreans findings with false ones to throw the town off. Empyrean noted the features of the man and quickly linked him to a murder just the previous day. "Stop right there, you're under arrest for suspicion of murder" he called out, knowing he didn't really have the means to detain the man but would certainly try his best. Enigma grinned back at him and motioned someone to come to him. Eddie and Taipan Snake walked around the corner. "Oh I see you have friends" said Empyrean, now realized how screwed he was. "Yeah they're pretty cool guys, always ready to help" said Enigma and with that he and Eddie charged at Empyrean and proceeded to hold him to the ground. Taipan Snake walked up slowly and with a strange device fired out a direct current of electricity which proceeded to fry every inch of Empyrean.

Candidates for Enigma:
HotZhot could be Enigma smiling back, according to his signature. Weak clue.
Caller could be Enigma "calling" his friends over to help him. Weak clue.
Unfogiven_ve could be smiling Enigma due to his smilie signature. Weak clue.
KorvspaD could be Enigma being fond of his friends (signature: "a friend with weed is a friend indeed..."). Medium clue.
BuGzIToOnI could be Enigma who loves his friends because of his signature. Weak clue.

Candidates for Taipan Snake:
str could be Taipan Snake grilling his prey with electrical power. Weak clue.
Zeks could be Taipan Snake. His signature reminds me of an unresponsible policeman abusing his power to kill a guy with a tazer (with electrical power). Medium clue.
HotZhot could be Taipan Snake, "frying" Empyrean with the great heat signaled by HotZhot's name. Weak clue.
Energies' name relates to the tazer gun. Medium to strong clue, but maybe too obvious.

New104 got up to go get some coffee himself when he noticed five nails on the ground, he walked slowly over to them to investigate. As he was bending over to take a closer look Cottonmouth approached from behind and stabbed a nail into his back. He fell to the ground and Cottonmouth used the opportunity to stab six more nails into him. New104 was cringing in pain but he knew he had to defend himself, he started getting up but met gaze with a strange man on his way up. King Brown Snake slapped him back to the ground and started beating him as he lay there. New104 wasn't anywhere near dead at this point, but his adrenaline was flowing and he used the sudden surge in strength to knock King Brown Snake to the ground and get up himself. He dodge three more nails flying at him and got out to the hallway. Noticing a mafia walking down from the break room he started heading down the opposite direction to the armory. Cottonmouth was in the hallway now and was about to throw another nail at New104 when The Wolf interrupted him. "You just need to hit the right spot" he said as he threw the nail down the hallway, it landed square in the back of New104's head and he convulsed as he dropped to the ground, dying less then a minute later.

Candidates for Cottonmouth:
RtS)Night[Mare could be Cottonmouth placing 5 nails, then stabbing him with 6 more. Nightmare was born on the 5th of June(6). Very weak clue, but maybe smart and obscure enough to be a strong clue? There are a couple more possible combinations of numbers in this paragraph, this was just the one i stumbled upon.
ulszz's signature indicates that he is a noob (at throwing nails) and needs reminding (by The Wolf), so he could be Cottonmouth. Medium clue.
Eti307's could be Cottonmouth. signature: "A person who never made a mistake (missing a lot of nail throws) never tried anyething new (trying to kill someone with nails)". Plus the numbers could point at his name: stabbing the victim with 1+6=7 nails, then throwing 3 more, 0 of which hit the target. Medium clue plus a weak one.
LostYourSkills could be Cottonmouth, having lost all his nail throwing skills and thus missing thrice. Medium clue.
suresh0t could be Cottonmouth using nails because he wields a hammer in his profile pic. who else would kill with nails? Strong clue.

Candidates for The Wolf:
SoMuchBetter because The Wolf does the nail throwing "so much better" than the other mafia. Medium clue.
suresh0t because The Wolf kills with one sure shot. Medium clue.
HotZhot for the same reason, HotShot being the same as a SureShot. Medium clue.
LostYourSkills' signature indicates that he is very skilled, like The Wolf. Medium clue.

Later that night Winston was hot on the trail of Kau, who he had chased out of a dark alley. Kau assumed he had encroached on the wrong territory as he was doing some freelance investigating of his own. He ran down another dark alley in effort to lose Winston and opted to try to blend in with a pile of garbage. Winston flipped on his flash light and scanned around the alley, seeing no one, he took a slow pace as he moved down it. He was just about to the end when he noticed Kau. He had a clear shot and took it, firing off a couple rounds he quickly ended Kau's life.

Winston seems to be a vigilante, no need to investigate this.

It was later yet and dawn was approaching, Queasy was stumbling home and leaving a trail of puke with him. Down the street Showtime! was spray painting graffiti all over the walls of the government buildings like you would expect lowlifes to do. He noticed Queasy approaching and saw how completely out of it the man was. He decided to have some fun and started spray painting Queasy's back as he walked by. Well Queasy wasn't as bad as Showtime! had thought and he spun around quick as the wind and landed a punch square in Showtime!'s right eye knocking him out. An easy kill, thought Queasy, as he pulled out a knife and stabbed Showtime! strait through the heart. But that wasn't the end of it. Ordell was running from across the street after seeing what just happened. He tackled Queasy to the ground and with little trouble got up right away. He removed the knife from Showtime!'s corpse as he inspected it, a towny he thought to himself. He slashed Queasy's right shoulder as he was trying to get up and then kicked it to flip him around. "Lets see how you like it" he said as he stabbed Queasy through the heart, ending his life and a long night for the town of Liquidia.

same here, Ordell is a vigilante and Queasy is dead now anyway. notice how Queasy was drunk and puking again, fitting the profile of the Sidewinder codename.

if i had to choose now, i'd go with lynching suresh0t. let's see what you other guys come up with.

Edit: forgot Energies as a Taipan Snake suspect.
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