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Dark.Carnival
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States5095 Posts
March 18 2008 23:30 GMT
#754
Empyrean: you must know that in trying to force the town to vote for you as mayor already discredits both you're word and the role you chose to reveal. ANYONE can come out and say, "Hey im so&so role and i you should vote for me" and it doesn't mean they are the best candidate, if anything they are low on the totem pole because of being so rash about revealing a role, or lying about it. I cannot agree with anyone thinking you would be best as mayor, regardless if you are detective or not. Yes, a detective mayor can be good for the town, but to abuse that role and reveal it in attempt to secure protection is a selfish act and is more hurtful to the town. I urge everyone who has voted for Empyrean to re-think that vote, go through the thread where Empyrean first stated his role(check Falycnns blog for the link) and re-evaluate why it is Empyrean wants to be mayor.

i'd like to note i changed my vote to Ace, as i think he has solid plans and a good head on his shoulders to help organize the town and lead us astray from disaster like the other game.
@QxGDarkCell ._.
Dark.Carnival
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States5095 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-03-18 23:33:43
March 18 2008 23:32 GMT
#758
On March 19 2008 07:54 ahrara_ wrote:
Some more points I want to make.

First, a protected detective is NOT that valueable. Under Ace's plan, it will be made clear who the detectives are. He will be their mouthpiece, and their identities will remain secret. They can only die if they're accidentally killed off.

Second, you can't really save somebody if the Mafia is determined to kill them. They can use several kill points to make sure they take out an important role. It might be viable in the beginning, when you have all 7 medics saving one person because that's the only one they know is worth saving, but it would difficult to keep him alive for long when there are more people (including innocent townies who are likely to be targetted just becaused the contribute a lot) worth saving later in the game.

Finally, clues at this point are useless. I can't emphasize this enough. Let me try again.

CLUES AT THIS POINT ARE USELESS.

All this pointless, unsubstantiated finger pointing is annoying, QUIT IT.

When a lot of them start to add up, and there's behavioral clues to add to it, then it becomes worth talking about. A lot of people were lynched last game on a whim. Let's not do that again. The clues pointing to Ghar aren't very sound at all. I don't buy them for a second, but if a lot of them started to suggest him loosely, then I'll consider it some more. In fact, I would ask that clue analysis be kept to yourself for now, because it makes you a target and it causes unneeded and unwarranted suspicions amongst townies. Although you should by all means continue analyzing, just post them ONLY when you have a strong case against someone. This and this clue might point to this person is pure shit. The town can only be hurt by this pointless finger pointing.

Oh man, that's a terrible pun. ;(



It is useless to blatantly point fingers at people and making accusations, but i don't think it is hurtful to provoke discussion and reference points for later to make connections to people via the clues we have at hand. I know for me, i am not saying anyone is mafia, im analyzing the few clues we have as a place to start at for town discussion and a reference point for later posts and clues.
@QxGDarkCell ._.
Dark.Carnival
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States5095 Posts
March 18 2008 23:57 GMT
#785
On March 19 2008 08:49 Empyrean wrote:
A selfish townie mayor is good for the town - he'll do everything he can to ensure town victory.

Furthermore, as I was going to sleep immediately after my initial post, to only way I could get myself elected was to reveal my role. It's the only way I know of that we would have been guaranteed a townie mayor. While Ace and araav are great choices, I can't know their allegiance. By forcing people to vote for me or face the consequences of losing a detective, I am ensuring a townie mayor.

In case anyone has doubts, please investigate me or ask me to perform some detective duties.

To me, the ends justify the means. That's the sole reason I revealed my role.


+ Show Spoiler [Empyreans post for mayor] +
On March 18 2008 19:33 Empyrean wrote:
I just woke up!

I'm running for mayor as well.

I have previous mafia experience, and have a good idea of how mafia like to conduct things.

Furthermore, I'll take everyone's opinion into consideration, as well as analyze everything myself.

The most important reason, and this is kind of risky saying it, but I am a detective. If I'm elected mayor, I'll be guaranteed to be safe from mafia attacks so I can publish my detective results daily, giving us a large boost. If you want, I can ask some easy questions confirming people's roles so they can back me up. The possibility of a Detective Mayor is something in the town's favor.

Also, if you don't vote for me now, mafia will target me first night and the town'll be down a detective without me even asking anything :[



note in his post for mayor he says he just woke up. now he's saying he had to reveal his role because he was going to sleep. perhaps just a minor mistake but it's a bit contradictory? worth noting perhaps?
@QxGDarkCell ._.
Dark.Carnival
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States5095 Posts
March 19 2008 00:16 GMT
#810
I don't think you are mafia Empyrean; i think it's way too early in the game to say anyone is mafia, but you're actions so far have not shown good judgement which is one of the things a mayor requires. Perhaps the previous game having been an important part of it and doing well you've wanted to try and live up to that in the opposite role and do the town good -- props for that, but that, i think, may have caused you to act a bit rash in this game and make some mistakes, which because of that i think it is best if you are not mayor. So far you've really not made many good points regarding being mayor, aside from declaring your role and defending that declaration and how important you're role is to the town.
@QxGDarkCell ._.
Dark.Carnival
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States5095 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-03-19 00:22:59
March 19 2008 00:21 GMT
#814
On March 19 2008 09:18 Empyrean wrote:
The problem is, if I'm not elected anything, the town'll lose a detective. Is that a risk people are willing to take? I'm only revealing my role because it's the only 100% guaranteed method I have of ensuring a townie mayor.


so far it looks like you might become pardoner.. which gets protection. i just don't want you to be mayor, although the pardoner is important too, having a bad mayor/or mafia/or whatever is worse imo.

edit so i don't keep making posts: Ace seems like he'd be a good mayor, and between his plan and Ghars the town will be able to become organized which is a key point for the town to survive
@QxGDarkCell ._.
Dark.Carnival
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States5095 Posts
March 19 2008 00:32 GMT
#816
On March 19 2008 09:29 Ace wrote:
I'm honestly not comfortable with Empyrean even being Pardoner. His logic is not adding up.


preferably i'd also rather him not have mayor or pardoner, but from the current votes he's less likely to attain mayor thankfully, though thats subject to change as more people vote ;x
@QxGDarkCell ._.
Dark.Carnival
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States5095 Posts
March 19 2008 00:54 GMT
#841
On March 19 2008 09:51 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2008 09:50 ahrara_ wrote:
On March 19 2008 09:47 Ace wrote:
If ANY Detective speaks up against the Mayor and we can't decide whether or not who to believe, we go to the ultimatum approach - just lynch the DT first and if he is telling the truth the Mayor is Mafia. Boom - Mafia Mayor gone by the second day.

That's what I was looking for. You've completely won me over.


offtopic : how is DT short for detective?

DeTective?
DetecTive?


probably one of those, but in context of the game i don't see how it can be confused with anything else, so seeing someone say DT would of course relate to detective.
@QxGDarkCell ._.
Dark.Carnival
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States5095 Posts
March 19 2008 01:16 GMT
#858
On March 19 2008 10:14 SiZ.FaNtAsY wrote:
Oh my god 49 pages already
What page does the game start?


read op, he put a link to the day post. (and fyi its on page 18)
@QxGDarkCell ._.
Dark.Carnival
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States5095 Posts
March 19 2008 01:33 GMT
#873
On March 19 2008 10:30 Kau wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2008 10:16 qrs wrote:
On March 19 2008 09:58 CDRdude wrote:
After thinking this through, I have come to the conclusion that there is no flaw.
+ Show Spoiler [Why there is no flaw] +

Okay. In this example, we will have 7 bodyguards, 1 mayor, 20 mafia, and a bunch of other people who aren't important, we can call them townies.

If the mayor is mafia, and is smart, he will do this:
Send a PM to:
Bodyguard 1
Mafia 1
Mafia 2
.
.
.
Mafia 6

As far as the legitimate bodyguard can tell, this is legit. The mafia will obviously claim to be bodyguards, and Bodyguard 1 won't know better.

Send a PM to:
Bodyguard 2
Mafia 1
Mafia 2
.
.
.
Mafia 6

Again, the real bodyguard can't tell the difference.

PM3:
Mafia 1
Mafia 2
.
.
.
Mafia 6

You should be getting the point by now. If you aren't, you probably don't deserve to be mayor.

The mafia mayor can do this a total of seven times, so that each bodyguard receives a PM with 6 other people on it. Each of those people insist that they are bodyguards, the real bodyguards won't know the difference, and no real bodyguard will be left out. Since no real bodyguard will be left out, nobody will stand out to say that they didn't receive a PM.

This can't last forever, but it can do a lot of damage. One of two things will happen; either a bodyguard will stand out, according to qrs' plan. The other (real) bodyguards will recognize him as not being in their group, and they'll cry out. Confusion ensues, but people will soon realize that the mayor is a mafioso. However, this takes a bit of time, and the mafia gets a good bit of damage in. BUT---once the real situation is discovered, mafia's 1-6 lives are forfeit. Net gain for the town. The mafia could avoid some of this by mixing in more bodyguards to the PM's, but even then it's a loss for the mafia, gain for the town.

The other possibility is if no bodyguard stands out (the mayor ignores qrs' plan) and a fake detective proclaims that the mayor is innocent. That's nice. However, that also assumes that no other detective checked on the mayor, which is unlikely to happen. Soon, the truth will come out, and the bodyguards will realize that the others in the message are fakes, and can be lynched/mad hatted/killed during the night/permabanned or whatever. End result: town is ahead. This will be a bit bloody, but about equal numbers of mafia and town will die here, so that's still +town.


How to avoid all the mess: Basically, qrs' plan is needed. A bodyguard has to step forward. All the real bodyguards will know whether or not he was included in the PM to them, so you don't have to confirm anything. Of course, that bodyguard will probably be gunned down during the night, but whatever, sucks for him.
Much as I hate to admit it, I believe my plan is flawed. As per Kau's post, a Mafia can identify himself as a bodyguard, and all the bodyguards will believe he is telling the truth. The Bodyguard plan is not failsafe after all. Unless someone comes up with something new, we will have to waste some detective power as Ghar has been saying.


We would only have to lose one detective.

Ace said that if the detectives find the mayor is innocent, then they say nothing. If the mayor is mafia, then the detectives speak out.

Now in the case the detectives speak out, we would first have to lynch the detective to see if he's an actual detective or mafia. If he's actual detective then we know the mayor is mafia. If he's mafia then we know the mayor is townie.

Hmm... Actually, what happens in the case the mayor is mafia, and a mafia-detective points him out along with real detective. Would we have to lynch both to be sure?


that would be dumb of the mafia? they'd lose that fake detective member as well as a mafia mayor. but yes i'd assume we'd have to lynch both, or in that case order a double lynch and if the mayor doesn't do it then he's mafia?
@QxGDarkCell ._.
Dark.Carnival
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States5095 Posts
March 19 2008 05:54 GMT
#969
Ok just got back, semi caught up, mostly just skimmed through the last few pages. I'd like to reiterate what i've said a few times before: I'm not trying to say anyone is mafia, i'm using the clues we have so far to make connections to generate discussion and for future reference. No one should be trying to say 'this person is mafia' based on the minimal amount of clues we have; there is no way we can even remotely be sure about anything about anyone. I do believe that it is necessary to look at the clues and make connections for discussion. Only when we have elected a mayor and are facing our first decision as a town to lynch can we make any for sure speculations, but having pre-mayor discussion of clues will help bring us too a decision based on both clues AND posts, and anything else people bring to the table. I felt i needed to make that bold to make it stand out more.
@QxGDarkCell ._.
Dark.Carnival
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States5095 Posts
March 19 2008 08:15 GMT
#989
On March 19 2008 17:10 Ghar wrote:
My plan is the safest still. The other candidates are probing for holes in Ace's plan, which is very productive, but they haven't posted their own solution.

I'm losing pretty badly right now, but Ghar for mayor folks.


so far, based on the most recent vote count, i don't think you really stand too much of a chance for mayor. the votes aren't all in but Ace has a pretty big lead
@QxGDarkCell ._.
Dark.Carnival
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States5095 Posts
March 19 2008 08:32 GMT
#991
On March 19 2008 17:18 Ghar wrote:
Yeah, but what kind of potential mayor would I be if I gave up just because people have 10 times as many votes as I do.

I also stand firmly that my theory though costly, is still safe. And I'm not giving up on my few supporters. If anyone else thinks I have something to offer, they'll see that I'm fighting to the end. I don't want to take away Ace's supporters though, they're good where they are. But anyone else that hasn't voted yet, I'm willing to answer questions regarding my plan and see if you think it's mayor material


i agree that you plan seems solid enough to help the town; and i also would like people(Aside from those who voted for ace) to change their votes to Ghar. Ace, im pretty sure, is going to get mayor... so that leaves pardoner for either empyrean, randombum and ghar. it would be best is empyrean was not pardoner, so its between bum and ghar, and ghar at least has provided productive ideas.
@QxGDarkCell ._.
Dark.Carnival
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States5095 Posts
March 19 2008 20:39 GMT
#1102
Ok so just woke up, read the latest few pages where i left off of last night. Not too much going on i see, mostly just waiting for final vote count to get things moving. Looks like randombum overtook empyrean, which is good, hopefully Ace stays in the lead though.

As far as empyrean is concerned and his role; anything that happens to him, mafia-wise, such as getting killed or one of the new mafia roles targetting him, is all his fault really. He chose to come out and lay a claim for mayor with 'im a detective' attached to it, and doing that so early is asking for trouble. the town will have to wait before detectives can role check him, but at least he probably won't be mayor or pardoner, regardless of him being innocent or not.
@QxGDarkCell ._.
Dark.Carnival
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States5095 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-03-22 09:20:00
March 22 2008 09:08 GMT
#1900
Finished reading day post, going to make a post of things i think may be clues or at least important.

+ Show Spoiler [List of clues/important details] +
Here's a list of lines/details i thought were important and may be clues

"the red moon stared them back in the face like a terrifying omen"

"He turned around to get something from his fridge when he noticed the lights out in his living room"

"Mr. Blonde had braced himself on the ceiling and swooped down from above diving strait into Mynock"

"They traded glares and Mynock dodged to the left and headed up his stairs not clearly deciphering the yells that came from behind him or caring"

"He dived toward Mr. Blonde in effort to tackle him but Mynock's attack was cut short as he ate a mouthful of buckshot."

"found a smiley in its place"

"The phone line was dead. goldenkrnboi pulled out his cell phone and began dialing when it began glitching on him. He kept trying but dropped the phone and gave up when he noticed the rest of the electronics in the house going haywire."

"Taipan Snake operating what dawned on them must be some sort of electronic jamming device"

"another came through the back door"

"Snake Charmer came in with a sword in hand and they saw Cottonmouth with a belt of knives and half a moment later Mr. White came in and closed the door"

"one gruesome gash after another"

"He was just about dead when Mr. White stomped goldenkrnboi's head in finishing him off."

"finished him off throwing three knives into each of his legs and three in his back."

"when four men intercepted them"

"Mr. Pink responded by reminding them that death was now a normal thing in Liquidia."

"No fear though, they had each had their share of the drink that evening and were ready to fight an army if one would present itself."

"a sickly looking fellow known as Sidewinder."

"a rock that struck Black Mamba in the face with much ease"

"Eddie made a lucky kick knocking Yogurt to the ground and went back to Black Mamba to get some help."

"crawled past the substance he had slipped"

"tripped by Black Mambas flailing legs"

"Eddie half-panicked and shot Yogurt in the face as he motioned everyone to retreat"


+ Show Spoiler [List of Mafia names] +
These are all the mafia codenames listed so far, if i missed any please let me know.
Mr. Blonde
Mr. Brown
Taipan Snake
Cottonmouth
Snake Charmer
Mr. White
Mr. Pink
Sidewinder
Black Mamba
Eddie
The Wolf
Mr. Red
Mr. Black
King Bown Snake
Mr. Blue
Joe
Enigma


I haven't yet tried to interpret the clues but i either will start tonight or tomorrow. Kinda sucks we lost two blue; and it wasn't too smart of yogurt to plant on stalker without talking with anyone about it. We have no reason to suspect anyone that was listed as connetions to Day 1 clues, because their is not enough evidence to say anyone is mafia. Now with Day 2 we may be able to find links since we have more information to cross-reference the old clues and posts/votes to go off of.

@QxGDarkCell ._.
Dark.Carnival
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States5095 Posts
March 22 2008 10:42 GMT
#1903
+ Show Spoiler [List of Peoples Countries] +
I put everyone into their respective countries, not in any paticular order though. Yes it took forever

Afghanistan:
ahrara_

Angola:
fanatacist

Armenia:
araav

Australia:
SoMuchBetter
Fen
Energies
Camlito
LoStYouRSkiLLS
Bockit
Siefu
RowdierBob
Ghar

Austria:
Scorch

Belize:
Yogurt

Bulgaria:
str

Canada:
ShaLLoW[baY]
Eti307
Wizard
infinity21
JeeJee
KF91
GranDim
MoRe_mInErAls
SoleSteeler
HeRoS)Pink
fusionsdf
BloodyC0bbler
Jimtudor
Wysp
CTStalker
zeks
Showtime!
Kau
L
Fishball

China:
Empyrean
MidnightGladius

Colombia:
HotZhot

Ecuador:
BlindAlbino

France:
Ninja4ever.

Germany:
MasterOfChaos
Mandalor
spoinka
G.s)NarutO

Hungary:
Naib

Japan:
Evilmonkey.

Kenya:
AmorVincitOmnia

Kiribati:
clazziquai

Korea(South):
SiZ.FaNtAsY

Malaysia:
dinmsab
Ziel

Mexico:
RtS)Night[Mare


Netherlands:
Artanis[Xp]
BWdero
Lenwe

New Zealand:
Alethios
Plexa

Norway:
Hollander
Supah

Philippines:
wurm

Poland:
ZBiR

Sweden:
Hittegods
Lysithea
KorvspaD
jtanJoxxOr

Switzerland:
fgsvsd

Taiwan:
Last Romantic
KH1031

United Kingdom:
Klive5ive

United States:
Caller
Dr.Dragoon
CDRdude
So no fek
ieatkids5
imDerek
randombum
ulszzgoldenkrnboi
Falcynn
Alventenie
nemY
Amber[LighT]
Vharox
Romance_us
NatsuTerran
aZnvaLiaNce
Kuja900
iNfuNdiBuLuM
Ace
MTF
French_Toast
0cz3c
New104
LucasWoJ
GeneralStan
bumatlarge
Chezinu
Queasy
Pangolin
butidigress
~OpZ~
unsoundlogic
TranceStorm
suresh0t
decafchicken
DamageControL
omfghi2u2
Meta
SpiritoftheTuna
BuGzlToOnl
GrayArea
xDark.Carnivalx
crazie-penguin
{88}iNcontroL
DTDominion
useLess
d.arkive
ShadowDrgn
rpf

Venezuela:
Unforgiven_ve

No Country Listed:
LTT
Puosu
SonuvBob
smurfingchobo
qrs
AcrossFiveJulys



If i forgot anyone or screwed up something just let me know. pretty sure i got everyone and everything correct... hopefully this is useful cuz it took me awhile ><
@QxGDarkCell ._.
Dark.Carnival
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States5095 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-03-22 10:45:33
March 22 2008 10:44 GMT
#1904
I'm going to work on a compliation of everyones post that has died from begining of the game that were relevant(as in not spam). this may take awhile and i might not finish it tonight.
@QxGDarkCell ._.
Dark.Carnival
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States5095 Posts
March 22 2008 11:47 GMT
#1914
Ok here's a list of OneBlueAugusts, Mynocks, goldenkrnboi and Yogurts posts from Day 1 to Day 2(page 18 to page 91). I'm sorry if I missed some of their posts, feel free to go through all the pages yourself. I was going to edit out the irrelevant posts, but for now im leaving them in until i get around to fixing it. Also, there was no posts by NeaX that I could find. Anyway here is the posts in spoilers(there's alot)

+ Show Spoiler [OneBlueAugusts' posts] +
On March 21 2008 14:50 OneBlueAugust wrote:
Perhaps not, but if there's any useful clues at all in the Day post, I'd think they would be in what the mafia said. The names of the mafia have way too many red herrings in them to be useful at this point, in my opinion.

I guess since a huge percentage of the names in the Day post have to do with Quentin Tarantino movies, it would be wise to check up on any references to him in people's names, posts, or signatures... Or even anagrams of Tarantino etc. But I still think the information that can be used by the town will only come out of the quotes.

And yes, I do realize that my name could tie me to Mr. Blue. However, as Shallow[Bay] showed, following the "clue" of the reservoir dogs names fingers tons of people, which is why I think it's a red herring. If the names have any meaning at all, it's a deeper on, such as the tie-in to one director or type of movie.


On March 21 2008 14:22 OneBlueAugust wrote:
Seems like a few decent leads on them, then.



On March 21 2008 14:13 OneBlueAugust wrote:
Also, did anyone make a comment in this thread, insinuating that if someone got elected mayor that the town would enact something similar to martial law? Cause that person could be the one that this quote: "Lets just hope the right mayor gets elected, that would speed things up as the town declares martial law" is pointing to.



On March 21 2008 14:50 OneBlueAugust wrote:
Perhaps not, but if there's any useful clues at all in the Day post, I'd think they would be in what the mafia said. The names of the mafia have way too many red herrings in them to be useful at this point, in my opinion.

I guess since a huge percentage of the names in the Day post have to do with Quentin Tarantino movies, it would be wise to check up on any references to him in people's names, posts, or signatures... Or even anagrams of Tarantino etc. But I still think the information that can be used by the town will only come out of the quotes.

And yes, I do realize that my name could tie me to Mr. Blue. However, as Shallow[Bay] showed, following the "clue" of the reservoir dogs names fingers tons of people, which is why I think it's a red herring. If the names have any meaning at all, it's a deeper on, such as the tie-in to one director or type of movie.


On March 21 2008 15:17 OneBlueAugust wrote:
Just so the mods know, I'm not spamming this thread. I'm just the type of person that always has one more thought after I hit the post button, and I don't think editing in a mafia game should be allowed.

Anyway, the reason I think the quotes I mentioned are probably clues is because they stand out from the rest of the storyline. Perhaps I see this dichotomy because I'm a writer, but the dialogue seems very stilted and unnatural, as if it was inserted into the story, instead of being written in along with everything else. If that's the case, then it was probably put in after a general outline of the day post had been fleshed out. The only thing that would be added at that point are the clues, which is why I feel that the dialogue contains the relevant information.

This theory is further supported by the fact that some of the dialogue is double-punctuated (IE: a quote ending with an exclamation, followed by an extraneous period). Perhaps Chuiu and Dapperdan just don't pay much attention to their grammar rules, but the other possible explanation for that is that the sentence was inserted in, and they forgot to delete the extra period.


On March 21 2008 15:49 OneBlueAugust wrote:
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I put extra care and dedication. to every post I make to make sure they are spelling and gramatical correctness


Sarcasm I hope :/


On March 21 2008 15:58 OneBlueAugust wrote:
Eh, same line of thought and all. I was already spamming, and I figured adding another addition would be too much overkill.


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On March 20 2008 12:18 Mynock wrote:
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On March 20 2008 12:11 Empyrean wrote:
On March 20 2008 12:07 Mynock wrote:
Fake-claiming roles for mafia does not seem like a good strategy here.


"But Empyrean's a mafia member! Let's lynch him!!"

...

...I'm very interested to see Ace's plans. He assured me he pretty much had lots of tricks up his sleeves. And by tricks I mean plans to lolown the mafia through logic and conservative play!

EDIT: I'm satisfied with the results of the mayoral election. All I've managed to do is buy some time for more useful town members (if Mafia decides to lynch me, of course).


I never said we should lynch you. The best tactic for town right now is to wait out on you and see how things develop.

Lynching you if you're innocent is a set-back for the town, but keeping you if you're mafia is not really a problem. You'd just be like any other mafia, except more suspicious .



On March 21 2008 03:19 Mynock wrote:
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On March 21 2008 02:48 Ace wrote:
On March 21 2008 02:45 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:
On March 20 2008 17:04 Naib wrote:
On March 20 2008 15:07 Ace wrote:
On March 20 2008 15:04 ahrara_ wrote:
Well, I still don't think you're worth trusting even with strats and suspicions.

Alven:

I sure as hell hope detectives aren't revealing their roles to him.


If the Detectives investigate me, then reveal their roles to me and see I'm innocent then why wouldn't they PM me?


As for Showtime: Another shitstrirrer (so is Shallow, but if you look at his usual TL posts...well...go figure) I believe both even being innocent, can cause more harm than good, so we might as well get them out of the way...


Sorry, but...you're a fucking idiot!



actually it's a sound strategy. Shit stirrers are no benefit to the town, and if we make it clear we'd lynch them they would shape up.

If they continue to behave that way we have no choice but to think they are Mafia and get rid of them.



I have to agree. So far, shitstirrers like Shallow and Showtime! contributed nothing but confusion.

I really hope they are with mafia, cause whatever side they're on, they only hinder it...

Just let's hope they're no special towny roles, would suck to have them wasted like that.



On March 20 2008 09:17 Mynock wrote:
I think it's very important that all the detectives know for sure that the mayor is legit. Of course saving up the ability to check a person's role is also important, but the start is of utmost importance. Also, once the mayor is elected everybody should be able to reveal their roles to him. Don't forget that if the mafia tried to claim a role to the mayor, and more than the number of the assigned roles claimed it, the mafia would be quite easy to spot, so I doubt they would try that move.

In fact, another of the downfalls of Empyrean's self-revealing is as follows: While every detective just uses one of their checks to see if the mayor is legit, Empyrean (the only one who claimed he is a detective, and as such we should try to use him to save a role-check), should use his power to check the pardoner instead. He will probably be muted by the saboteur tho, so then one of the hidden detectives will have to waste another role-check on the pardoner, while Empyrean will eventually either be kept mute or dead as soon as a different target arrives.

This would leave us with a mere 3 [edit: oh, plus the 2 from the jack, so it's pretty OK!] role-checks for the rest of the game, but It's still well worth it IMO.



On March 19 2008 07:25 Mynock wrote:
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On March 19 2008 07:21 Empyrean wrote:
No, the pardoner should use the role when he has enough conviction to believe that the town is falsely lynching.

If there were a mafia pardoner who decides to pardon a mafia member without a "good" reason, the town will suspect him anyway, leading to the revelation of another mafia.

Besides, I can always confirm someone's role.


We're obviously all aware that a detective as mayor would be AWESOME, the problem is just your "coming out" like this, so it forces the town to move radically. (Of course right now the medics really don't have any better targets, just as the detectives, so in the first day I guess it's not a big problem... But still, the Bodyguard Plan sounds good and solid - without too much guessing, too.)


On March 20 2008 09:46 Mynock wrote:
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On March 20 2008 09:23 Ghar wrote:
Why do you guys hold the role checks so importantly? 2 role checks limits the use of them significantly. There's no logic in role checking a townie out of a hundred to in case he might be mafia. It's better used to confirm fundamental assumptions, like the mayor really is on your side, and whether if people are fake role checking. The other skills are still very useful.


That's just what I said as well. Altho towards the end of the game I suppose the role-check will become even more important in case there is a case like with Live2Win.

That's because, even though the plan of the role-townies revealing themselves all to the mayor would ensure all the roles are accounted for, if one of the roles doesn't have all the members being active enough it might pose such a problem that imposters might show up and infiltrate the system. Besides, there will always be plenty of townies who will draw suspicion to themselves through irrational behaviour (i.e Empyrean ).



On March 19 2008 07:17 Mynock wrote:
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On March 19 2008 07:14 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:
Mynock, part of this stems from irritation over last game, but I think you're making yourself look pretty suspicious by badgering a legitimate mayor candidate.


That's your personal view of course, so be it.

But if a mayor says that it's the best thing for the town if a mayor is a Suicide Bomber (a MAFIA role) then... Well, I rest my case.


On March 19 2008 07:21 Mynock wrote:
And Emp, obviously we wouldn't want to lynch you if you're a detective, but as someone already said, pushing your will like that isn't a cool characteristic for a mayor.

Besides, you just basically put it like "oh and btw I'm a detective, kinda an advantage, right?".

So now it's the best interest of the town to have you:

1) Protected (medics please?)
2) Investigated (detectives please?)

Basically now the town has to act and correct the situation because of your own decision. If you're right a DT mayor would of course be swell for town - but if you're not, we have to deal with the situation.


On March 20 2008 11:07 Mynock wrote:
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On March 20 2008 11:02 GeneralStan wrote:
On March 20 2008 11:01 Mynock wrote:
Bah, another horrible move by Empyrean (assuming he is what he says he is). I was considering the chance that Emp was a townie, in which case what he was doing would have made some sense. First, he could draw the saboteur's ability away from the real roles, second, he might have wasted some of the mafia's killing power or even a suicide bomber.

Now, if he's indeed a townie he's made another crucial mistake, instead of confusing the mafia (and possibly sacrificing himself) he's confusing the town even further.

This is getting really weird now. But for now, I want to hear what others think tho.


You just confused me :\ If he was a vanilla townie then we could have been wasting mafia roles, but they might have realized and ignored Emp.

Or Emp really is a detective and he's trying to now avert attention from himself.


Exactly. If he was a vanilla townie and thought his position through properly, he would have realized that he can hurt the mafia more by lying about him being a detective.

Or, he's a detective after all, and is now just trying to save his hide.

Or, he's mafia, in which case the confusion is obvious, but then he just made himself suspicious for no real benefit, and the best move would jut be to hold him suspicious without any direct actions atm.



On March 20 2008 10:49 Mynock wrote:
Shallow, will you please stop with the incessant harassments? You have done absolutely nothing else the last 60 pages. And yes, we're all aware you're just "having fun".

Also, probably the best strategy would be for the medics to decide themselves if they want to protect Empyrean or not, this way the mafia will have to guess whether to use up their suicide bomber (and potentially waste him) or just use up some of their killing power (and still not get the kill). Let them guess.


On March 19 2008 07:09 Mynock wrote:
Dark Templar? The term DT was used before in this thread several times, always denoting detective. What Dark Templar?

I'm beginning to think now that Empyrean, if not mafia, is a towny saboteur who wants to cause misunderstanding just for fun cause he only got a plain towny or something. Either way, I don't know what to make of all of this yet, but you sure drew a hell of a lot of attention to yourself.



On March 19 2008 07:13 Mynock wrote:
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On March 19 2008 07:11 Empyrean wrote:
On March 19 2008 07:08 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:
On March 19 2008 07:07 Empyrean wrote:
On March 19 2008 07:05 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:
On March 19 2008 07:04 Empyrean wrote:
On March 19 2008 07:01 Mynock wrote:
Empyrian, none of the points you made make any sense. Every further post you make just makes you look more and more suspicious.

I don't see what kind of tactic it is to always enable double lynches and why it is in town's best interest. I don't see how "bodyguard protection is wasted" once mafia will put multiple targets up. In fact, I don't even get it what you want to say :/ Equally like "A detective mayor/pardoner is the best bet for the town. Even more so than a DT mayor."

So a detective mayor is better than a detective mayor? What?


1. DT is the dark templar role, which can kill anyone.

2. Enabling double lynches allows for more mafia deaths - lynches are the only way we can kill mafia.

3. I meant to say paramedic. If I'm not mayor/pardoner and a paramedic protects me, the mafia are smart enough to post two hits on me to ensure my death.


Dark Templar role? Is that in the OP?


Suicide Bomber.


Oooh alright. I don't see how a SB mayor could be considered good for town in any case, besides the fact that their role is basically nullified.


It ensures that the mayor is safe from Suicide Bombers if all the bodyguards die - the paramedics will still probably protect the mayor.


The suicide bombers can't kill a mayor, it wouldn't make any sense whatsoever if they could. [edit: and suggesting all the bodyguards would die before is really far fetched]

So either you haven't read the rules at all (don't know the roles, don't know the abilities), or you're doing all this deliberately, or you said something you now want to be unsaid.

Any case, I think it's now in your best interest to step down from the election and let us decide later

Because either you're not serious enough about the task of a mayor or a mafia. Not a good choice any way. Plus you've now made yourself sound suspicious.



On March 20 2008 10:56 Mynock wrote:
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On March 20 2008 10:51 Yogurt wrote:
On March 20 2008 08:44 Kau wrote:
Yogurt, instead of waiting for Ace to post, I'd be interested in discussing it with you.


i reread the plan, and for some reason i had in my mind that then the townies would be pm'ing their roles to the bodyguards, but i see he never wrote that

in any case, this wouldn't work because of the massive pool of townies. Yes, it'd be easy to fish out the role claimers, as there are only two or three of each role, but the pool of townies is like 90 something people, which would allow mafia to just put their names in as townies, and it wouldn't help much.

But anyway, I'm curious as to how the plan will continue. So hypothetically lets say Ace is mafia. He gets into "office" releases the names of the bodyguards, and everything seems fine. But if the town thinks he is legit, as he well might be, he garners a huge amount of trust and can sway the lynching votes away from his fellow mafia.

But anyway, even if we do get the bodyguard names, where do we go from there? IF ace is mafia, he could release the names, but just as well kill all the bodyguards the first night. Well great, we lynch him, fine. But now pardoner has no bodyguards, and we're down a mayor.

I dunno I guess someone should be skeptical of this plan


No, you don't realize a vital part of the plan, namely that the detectives use their role-check ability to see if the mayor is mafia or legit. If he is mafia we will know at once, if he's not, also.

Worst case scenario is we lose a detective vs a mafia, best case scenario is we have a solid foundation for the rest of the game.



On March 21 2008 01:10 Mynock wrote:
I just now had time to catch up to the latest events and I have a couple things to say. Firstly, fusion, lay off of Ace please? Ace seems absolutely competent for his job, if based only on the fact that he's not acting based on emotions (unlike many of you here). Lynching iNc was easily justified, and explained oh so many times. If a person doesn't respond for 2 days while having a PM about being a Mad Hatter in their mailbox... well, nobody could have possibly predicted that. iNc is pretty much at fault himself here.

Also, lynching Empyrean is only in the mafia's best interests. Why? Well, if I was mafia, I would now be pretty much confused about Empyrean's role (and chances of him being mafia are not too high actually). I think the following course of events is likely: If we largely predict Empyrean to be dead tonight, they will leave him be and have him attract suspicion to himself. If however we largely predict that they will know we think so, and that's exactly the reason they kept him alive, we should not jump the gun too soon because we risk lynching an active townie.

Had we lynched Empyrean first day, that's a lot of problems off of mafia's shoulders, less guessing for them to do. Still, Emp presents a good target for the mafia even now, so helping them by going ahead and doing the job for them is in no way a good strategy.

As for the Mad Hatter, I can't believe how some of you base your arguments on the mere fact that he happened to be a blue. If anything, it was iNc's fault! Ace went out of his way to ensure a role would not be harmed, his actions clearly shown it.

Calm down people, and be reasonable. Now that we have a solid foundation for the game, let's do our best to build up from here, and work together with the people in office.


On March 20 2008 10:52 Mynock wrote:
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On March 20 2008 10:49 bumatlarge wrote:
Unfortunately, if Empyrean isn't mafia, mafia will kill him. And if Mafia won't kill him then townspeople will.


Let's hope once Ace is in the office the plan works and we'll soon have a mayor who could then coordinate us and see if Emp really is legit.

With a saboteur and a suicide bomber among the mafia tho, Emp is absolutely useless to the town now either way, except we might save a lynch if he is proven innocent. That's about all the use there is.



On March 20 2008 11:01 Mynock wrote:
Bah, another horrible move by Empyrean (assuming he is what he says he is). I was considering the chance that Emp was a townie, in which case what he was doing would have made some sense. First, he could draw the saboteur's ability away from the real roles, second, he might have wasted some of the mafia's killing power or even a suicide bomber.

Now, if he's indeed a townie he's made another crucial mistake, instead of confusing the mafia (and possibly sacrificing himself) he's confusing the town even further.

This is getting really weird now. But for now, I want to hear what others think tho.



On March 20 2008 12:07 Mynock wrote:
And yes, in case mafia claims to be a detective, Ace coordinates the detectives so that they make a round-check (can even ask a Jack to help) by asking them to check certain people and send in their results without revealing them to anybody else. This way mafia loses a member quite soon and quite certainly. It also has to be added though, that role-checking the detectives is absolutely important tho, as they and the bodyguards are the base of the whole mayor-town network and have to work closely with the mayor.

Role-claiming other roles is also not a good idea for mafia, as roles can always be checked upon, and a mafia will always come into a short list of people and a lot of suspicion this way.

Imagine mafia claiming a paramedic role. Now mayor assigns the paramedics to different targets (only he knows the targets and their roles) - now if one of the targets still dies it means the mafia somehow knew about the protection and sent more killers or the protector wasn't even protecting anything. Equally, if the mafia does not target the fake medic's assignment, it basically ensures the target's safety. So it's almost as having an extra medic around

Fake-claiming roles for mafia does not seem like a good strategy here.



On March 19 2008 04:11 Mynock wrote:
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On March 19 2008 03:13 Ace wrote:
On March 19 2008 02:59 Lysithea wrote:
On March 19 2008 02:13 Lysithea wrote:
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If Empyrean is a DT he could be very valuable as pardoner but it's something about the whole thing that just feels out of place. I'm tempted to vote for him, not for mayor but as pardoner. Wish we could have more campaigning from his side. My question to all of you is: would it be beneficial enough for mafia to even attempt the stunt empyrean is employing? Would it be reasonable? I'm asking cause I'm not sure whether to vote for Empyrean or someone else in the case of me voting for a pardoner spot.

...


Reposting this part from my own post since I really want peoples thoughts on this.


Ok here's my take - it would be a pretty good idea from a Mafia standpoint.

1.) Empryean did very well last game
2.) For some reason, people think the probability of him being Mafia again has changed when it really hasn't
3.) He claims a role that is important and can't be verified right now
4.) Most importantly, it adds confusion to the game

4 is the prime reason that if I were Mafia, it would be a great tool. People trust Empryean, and if another DT comes and investigates him well they'd be hard pressed to prove it - and now the Mafia knows another DT role with nothing else weighing in on their decisions aka an easy kill. Thats an element of confusion that takes away from the main focus, and the easiest way for the Mafia to win is to confuse the Townies.

I'm not saying Empryean is Mafia, but that was a very risky move. There was no point in revealing his alleged role so early in the game. Maybe he's afraid that he'd be killed early and is innocent after all - and if that's the case for someone so smart he should have provided a better angle of campaigning.



I agree.

What really goes against Empyrian here is that since he did well last game this feeble move right now seems like quite a misstep.

Doesn't look right.



On March 20 2008 11:51 Mynock wrote:
Btw, and advice to paramedics: protect people who you see as being active and posting lots of proactive advice. Think the way a mafia would - it is in scum's best interest to target active, helping townies, so make your decisions based on that. Make them waste their hit power.



On March 18 2008 21:37 Mynock wrote:
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On March 18 2008 17:03 SonuvBob wrote:
On March 18 2008 16:53 araav wrote:
On March 18 2008 16:36 SonuvBob wrote:
On March 18 2008 15:52 SonuvBob wrote:
I'll vote for anyone who posts all 130 sigs and profiles.

Ok, I voted for araav, as promised.

You should still vote for me though.

In addition to not being a douche, I can read edits. How cool is that?!


That's a wrong approach, Bobbie. If you vote me, you should encourege everybody voting for you to vote for me too.

Now, whoever votes for Sonuv, how good is that your leader has another boss?!

Everybody vote for araav, he's you clever leader

I'm an admin, like Steve. :p

Except I'll be less of a douche! That's the SonuvBob Promise&#153;!

1. I'll be less of a douche than FakeSteve was!
2. I can read edits!
3. I can use HTML. Let's see those mafia scum fight that!
4. Four!

Vote for me! http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=68177



He's already lying! Very suspicious!

Let's see his points:

1 - Debatable! (OK, who am I kidding, that's a valid point)
2 - Liar! You're not a mod, you're a newsposter, you can't read edits!
3 - Irrelevant!
4 - Five!

And you're not an admin! OMG, deceit!



On March 19 2008 07:01 Mynock wrote:
Empyrian, none of the points you made make any sense. Every further post you make just makes you look more and more suspicious.

I don't see what kind of tactic it is to always enable double lynches and why it is in town's best interest. I don't see how "bodyguard protection is wasted" once mafia will put multiple targets up. In fact, I don't even get it what you want to say :/ Equally like "A detective mayor/pardoner is the best bet for the town. Even more so than a DT mayor."

So a detective mayor is better than a detective mayor? What?



On March 19 2008 07:05 Mynock wrote:
I thought so too, but why is he using "/" then? :/ And what does it have to do with his goal? Is he asking for an "other" detective to come out as well?

And all this talk about "a mafia mayor is just as good" is just...



On March 21 2008 22:57 Mynock wrote:
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On March 21 2008 20:12 Naib wrote:
On March 21 2008 16:13 RtS)Night[Mare wrote:
chuiu needs to make day post asap !


Well, you can't just "do that" even though we got way less spam this time (wait until next clues are out though, I'm sure that'll mean +20 pages under 5 hours ). Even though the Town has very few things to do atm, the Mafia needs a lot of time to organize (20 people in a PM madness can be pretty time-consuming) So let's just wait and pray for our lives


I don't think they would communicate through PMs tho, that's not really efficient. If I was mafia I'd make use of a separate forum created for this reason, passworded and all. Then again, if they don't use anything like that - more power to us

But yeah, awaiting day now, nothing better to do than speculate... :/


On March 22 2008 11:32 Mynock wrote:
Two mafias, HIGH FIVE!!

Daybreak when? I will die



On March 22 2008 12:43 Mynock wrote:
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On March 22 2008 12:07 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:
On March 22 2008 11:32 Mynock wrote:
Two mafias, HIGH FIVE!!

Daybreak when? I will die


Mynock, I've had enough of these immature random accusations. I understand if you're just trying to have fun, but confusing the town is never a good thing.


Siddharta Fucking Gautama Buddha, you'll never stop, will you?

Mafia please kill me now, else I shoot myself out of frustration -_-;


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On March 20 2008 08:13 Yogurt wrote:
i've found some flaws in the bodyguard plan, or at least i think i did, but ill wait till he reposts



On March 20 2008 08:32 Yogurt wrote:
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On March 20 2008 08:26 Falcynn wrote:
If you're talking about the flaw posted here
http://teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=67925&currentpage=40#786
or any variation of that, then it's been discussed already and so far it's agreed that there is no flaw.

thats not the one, but again, ill wait for ace to post it again



On March 20 2008 11:28 Yogurt wrote:
how do we guarantee who the detectives are again?

imo if the mafia was smart, they would have 1 or two claim the detective roles to cause a lot of confusion and stall while townies died, even if they got lynched in the end


On March 20 2008 13:40 Yogurt wrote:
should've lynched someone that at least voted, which shows their active but refusing to share their views

its not too good of odds to just pick randomly



On March 20 2008 10:51 Yogurt wrote:
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On March 20 2008 08:44 Kau wrote:
Yogurt, instead of waiting for Ace to post, I'd be interested in discussing it with you.


i reread the plan, and for some reason i had in my mind that then the townies would be pm'ing their roles to the bodyguards, but i see he never wrote that

in any case, this wouldn't work because of the massive pool of townies. Yes, it'd be easy to fish out the role claimers, as there are only two or three of each role, but the pool of townies is like 90 something people, which would allow mafia to just put their names in as townies, and it wouldn't help much.

But anyway, I'm curious as to how the plan will continue. So hypothetically lets say Ace is mafia. He gets into "office" releases the names of the bodyguards, and everything seems fine. But if the town thinks he is legit, as he well might be, he garners a huge amount of trust and can sway the lynching votes away from his fellow mafia.

But anyway, even if we do get the bodyguard names, where do we go from there? IF ace is mafia, he could release the names, but just as well kill all the bodyguards the first night. Well great, we lynch him, fine. But now pardoner has no bodyguards, and we're down a mayor.

I dunno I guess someone should be skeptical of this plan



On March 20 2008 12:52 Yogurt wrote:
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On March 20 2008 12:35 fusionsdf wrote:
lynching empyrean is the smartest thing to do

at best hes a townie
at worst hes mafia
in either way he creates confusion as long as he is alive


you mean the other way around right?

at worst he's a townie?

unless you meant it that way...!

seriously though,i think the lynch would be better used on one of the quieter players, as we learned from last game



On March 21 2008 04:15 Yogurt wrote:
I'm not pming yet on the premise Ace might be mafia

Another thing i have to say is everyone consider what they would do if they were mafia

Would you really be contributing, besides maybe running for mayor, or would you lay back and try to let the town incriminate themselves like last match?

The quietest ones are often the most dangerous




On March 19 2008 03:34 Yogurt wrote:
i vote for empyrean



On March 19 2008 07:13 Yogurt wrote:
even if empyrean is mafia, i dont see how it could potentially be THAT bad

his double vote doesn't count for much, and if he doesn't put our double lynch demands to use, we can just lynch him and be done with it

if he is really townie, or detective as he claims, then he would truly be a crazy help to the town

he knows the game, winning it last round, and writing a detailed summary, so either way we either get a huge plus, or a not so bad negative



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On March 19 2008 10:34 goldenkrnboi wrote:
what if the pardoner is mafia?



On March 19 2008 10:37 goldenkrnboi wrote:
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On March 19 2008 10:35 Falcynn wrote:
On March 19 2008 10:34 goldenkrnboi wrote:
what if the pardoner is mafia?
Then when he pardons someone a vigilante takes that person out the next night. If the person who got pardoned is mafia, then we lynch the pardoner next day.


clever. :O



On March 19 2008 10:26 goldenkrnboi wrote:
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On March 18 2008 15:41 Chuiu wrote:
...commented Mr. Pink as he began going over the plans. Mr. Blue got in the last word...


63. HeRoS)Pink
95. OneBlueAugust

it's too early to tell and it seems a bit too obvious, but let's just keep an eye on these two



On March 20 2008 15:40 goldenkrnboi wrote:
.____.


well, can't really blame him. true, he should have gone for lurkerish type of people, but whatever.

all we can do now is just wait for morning to come.


On March 21 2008 15:04 goldenkrnboi wrote:
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On March 21 2008 14:50 OneBlueAugust wrote:
And yes, I do realize that my name could tie me to Mr. Blue. However, as Shallow[Bay] showed, following the "clue" of the reservoir dogs names fingers tons of people, which is why I think it's a red herring. If the names have any meaning at all, it's a deeper on, such as the tie-in to one director or type of movie.


Although I agree that the clue is too vague, chuiu specifically says that he avoids doing intentional red herrings.


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On March 21 2008 16:05 aZnvaLiaNce wrote:
Last round of Mafia reached 161 pages and that was the whole game. This round has already reached 86 and the second day/night cycle hasn't even started yet. My god......I predict that this thread will easily go past 250 pages.

On another note, UCLA beats the shit out of MVS in the NCAA tourney 70-29 is a good sign for things to come.




don't forget that last time, the votes and the discussion were on the same thread.



Also, these are ONLY their posts, i did not put conversations/replies of other peoples, and unfortunatly these are also not in order. sorry x.x anyway here's who they voted for:

NeaX voted for Ace
Yogurt voted for Ace
goldenkrnboi voted for Ace
Mynock voted for randombum
Apparently i'm blind and can't find who august voted for.

NOTE:THESE POSTS ARE ONLY IN THIS THREAD, ANY POSTS IN THE VOTE THREADS OR ANY BLOGS I DID NOT GO THROUGH, EVERYTHING HERE CAN BE FOUND IN THIS THREAD
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Dark.Carnival
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
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Last Edited: 2008-03-22 11:52:57
March 22 2008 11:49 GMT
#1915
On March 22 2008 20:40 araav wrote:


great, in the future pm me with these request, it would take me 2 minutes

and if a paramedic happened to save me, thanks and please pm me, you must be sure i am a townie if i was saved.

will try to contribute later


Oh well... I had the free time to do it anyway, lol.
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Dark.Carnival
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States5095 Posts
March 22 2008 20:01 GMT
#1999
http://teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?currentpage=96&topic_id=67925

posts i made last night listing people in their countries, a list of the mafia suspect names and the posts made by oneblueaugust, mynock, goldenkrnboi and yogurt. incase anyone missed it and wanted to look at it all ;x
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Dark.Carnival
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States5095 Posts
March 22 2008 20:19 GMT
#2006
how long till we have to get our votes in? i just woke up so i haven't tried to connect people to clues yet, probably won't till later tonight;x
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