Team Liquid Mafia [gg]

On February 11 2008 17:01 Fishball wrote:
I want to bail now since I'm a Towny -_-

On February 12 2008 08:38 Live2Win wrote:

low blow = you gotta be shallow to make a low-blow. :p A bit stretched, just a guess.

On February 12 2008 08:58 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:


Consequences such as MOB HITS?

On February 12 2008 09:08 GeneralStan wrote:
Frankly, if somebody starts making sense, you should probably lynch him.

On February 12 2008 09:31 Caller wrote:


that could easily have been stolenz from the front page lol

On February 12 2008 09:33 Eti307 wrote:
why did you add NOT FAKE REALLY in the actual picture, it makes it all the more obvious that you altered it (even if it was just to add that)

You could have just add the comment below the picture in your reply
loll.

On February 12 2008 09:54 Live2Win wrote:
2 .Photoshopping a message to frame someone is a very stupid idea, something that anyone with half a brain wouldn't do. Why? Because obviously the person who was being targetted would retaliate, reject that such a message was ever sent, and defend himself.

On February 12 2008 10:05 GeneralStan wrote:
If Dragoon was bating Shallow, then he's an idiot. Shallow knows whos mafia and who's not (if he were Mafia, which I now don't think he is. If he is mafia, he's an idiot for sending it to somebody who was mafia.

In either case, Dragoon is an idiot and deserves to die.

On February 12 2008 10:18 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:


You only come to your own defense when you're sure to be lynched?

On February 12 2008 10:20 GeneralStan wrote:


What you're saying is that in a clever play, you send a PM to Shallow in hopes that he's a Mafia member, but this backfires and Shallow indicates you as mafioso and things go downhill from here?

Or, our original thought that Shallow forged your message is correct, and shallow is a mafioso. I don't like this option though because it means that Shallow is a dumb mafioso, taking a big risk by forging something

On February 12 2008 10:22 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:


SHallow.
SHallow.
SHallow.

Jesus lol.

On February 12 2008 10:40 Live2Win wrote:
I have a list of people right now who I believe are mafias.

The top two are:
Dr.Dragoon (99%)
Caller (80%)

The other's I am awaiting more clues.

On February 12 2008 11:09 Live2Win wrote:

I find that intriguing. My suspicion of Tracil has actually gone way down.

On February 12 2008 11:19 Falcynn wrote:
When it comes to the lynch vote I'll probably be voting for Dragoon. Either he's mafia or he's just making some really really stupid moves, in either case I think it'd be beneficial to get rid of him quickly. If the Village Idiot role were included in this game like I noticed in some SEN games then I'd be positive that Dragoon had that role, but since we don't all of his posts make him seem like a really clumsy townie, or mafia.

I know I probably didn't really add anything new, but I just felt like posting....

On February 12 2008 11:37 CDRdude wrote:

You bring up a good point, but I still can't help but wonder what was in the original version of posts, and why they were edited.

On February 12 2008 11:42 dancefayedance!~ wrote:


exactly what i thought and said

On February 12 2008 11:57 mahnini wrote:

You talking about how it's a bad idea about how you will be lynched and not providing any information as to why you sent that PM in the first place isn't a good way to sway votes.

On February 12 2008 11:58 CDRdude wrote:

I'm vertically challenged, that's all

On February 12 2008 12:10 Live2Win wrote:

I'll let you post. If you try to sway votes or do something a dead person shouldn't be able to do I'll have to bring out my hammer.

On February 12 2008 12:12 CDRdude wrote:

You misunderstand me (or I'm missing your point, one of the two). What I'm saying, is that unless Chuiu can predict the future, he could not have meant that specific remark of mine to be a clue, because the clue about "that's low, even for you" was posted before my comment about height.

On February 12 2008 12:16 Live2Win wrote:

the rule is if someone dies from mafia or gets lynched they shouldn't be able to post, since they might sway votes. But I think it'll be better if dead people still post, but nothing that would directly effect the game.

On February 12 2008 12:22 CDRdude wrote:

I think that the argument lies in the fact that he seems pretty dumb, and the town would be better off without him, even if he isn't mafioso. Also, I still think you're a mafioso. Too many people are popping up and voting for you, without any other comments, which says (to me, at least) that the other mafia, which know who you are, are voting you in as a mafia candidate for mayor.

On February 12 2008 12:29 Alethios wrote:

Typical behavior from one who knows he is a gonner. Oh shi... i'm going to be lynched. I know... suggest alternatives. Farewell my good sir.

On February 12 2008 12:38 mahnini wrote:

So you're saying either shallow is a liar or you are? But in #1 you admit that shallow is not a mafia?

WAT?

On February 12 2008 12:36 CDRdude wrote:

Yes, but other people think it too:
http://teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=66251&currentpage=18#344
http://teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=66251&currentpage=18#354
http://teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=66251&currentpage=20#387

On February 12 2008 12:47 CDRdude wrote:


Speaking of shallow lying low, isn't that exactly what he's doing now? I haven't seen him post much in the past couple of hours.

On February 12 2008 12:49 mahnini wrote:

I smell mafia backup. What would dragoon be lying about? The PM that he now admits he sent? Or is he lying about not being a mafia? Surely it is the former. In any case, both of them being liars just means both of them need to get lynched, although it's just Dragoon who is getting caught up in his web of lies. Plus, he called for Empyrean mafia backup.

On February 12 2008 12:53 mahnini wrote:

screens or it didn't happen.

On February 12 2008 12:58 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:
The whole point is that it's an epic postfest.

On February 12 2008 13:01 goldenkrnboi wrote:
so... uh....


aren't we still in the vote for mayor stage? or did that already happen? i'm too lazy to check ><


and my first impulse is to jump on the dragoon bandwagon, mainly cause of the way he's responding to the accusations.

On February 12 2008 13:20 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:


er, paint. isn't that obvious?

On February 12 2008 13:23 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:
The "always saved in .png" is such a stupid piece of "evidence", woops I saved in .jpeg just to confuse you!.

On February 12 2008 13:42 Vharox wrote:
Hmmm. Weird lol. I think I may have done the same thing =\

Considering everyone made a big issue about him saving in .png

Ugh... TOO MANY PERSPECTIVES TO THING OF. HOW THE HELL DID L DO IT?!

On February 12 2008 14:57 Falcynn wrote:
If you become bodyguard then you'll probably get killed at night. Reason I say this is because if the mayor finds out you're his bodyguard then he'll probably try to defend you from being lynched, and if that happens then the mafia will realize something's up and then kill you.

On February 12 2008 15:03 Tracil wrote:
I would not give away bodyguards were I mayor unless there was no other way to avoid getting them lynched. If they are about to get lynched I would reveal that they are bodyguards and move the lynch elsewhere (since only townies can be bodyguards, they can never be mafia.) Yes, this may incite the mafia to kill them. Better that than wasting a lynch on a confirmed townie.

On February 12 2008 15:11 Tracil wrote:
Not really; turning around and not lynching you, if you turn out to be a bodyguard, is basically the only option I'd have. The odds of you being picked as bodyguard are likewise slim, so I have no problem stating this upfront.

I also already suspect you anyway and this has been made plainly evident. It would be equally bad of me to get elected mayor and kill someone without hinting at whom I would target beforehand at all.

On February 12 2008 15:25 EmeraldSparks wrote:
Barring really, really, really ridiculous circumstances, town always wants to lynch every day. This is really just a fact of mafia.

On February 12 2008 15:27 Falcynn wrote:
It's not really about the PM. It's mostly about your reaction to it and the way you defended yourself that got everyone suspicious.

On February 12 2008 15:32 Tracil wrote:
I do have the choice on who to lynch today if I'm elected mayor, and I certailny don't plan to lynch nobody. *One* of you and Swallow is clearly lying (you've said it was a fake, so you're denying sending that message, right? Ok.) and it's highly likely one of you two is scum; therefore we should lynch one of you ASAP and then we'll be in a position to make a judgement on the other. As I said before, trading one town for one scum is actually a good deal, as there are far more townies than mafioso.

I'll go through the thread again and check out what both you and Swallow have said; I'd obviously rather hit scum right off the bat, of course.

On February 12 2008 15:33 Falcynn wrote:
Because that's what a mafia would do.

But to be perfectly honest...you were pretty much screwed once shallow posted that picture since anyway you may have reacted could've been interpretted as mafia behaviour...except maybe silence...but that still would've been iffy. Anyways the way shallow presented you in his picture (for the sake of arguement I'll pretend it's fake) and the way you acted afterwards probably made people think that it's very likely you were the same person.

On the other hand if you would've denied it with as much grace and sophistication as is possible on an internet forum...you may have gotten a small chance to get away.

On February 12 2008 15:52 Tracil wrote:
A joke? I'm not just dismissing this as a joke. Let it be an object lesson on why doctoring up stuff like that to try and get other townies lynched is a *scum tactic* and not something a townie should do.

Townies pulling shit like that probably don't want to win and are harmful to the town as a whole. If we let jokes like that slide now, that can give mafioso free licence to make up stuff in the future and then pass it off as just being funny. I'm not prepared to simply let it go, and if you are both townies, then it should be an object lesson as to *why you shouldn't bull stunts like that*.

And what is with this 'be wary of those who lead discussions' crap? If nobody tries to start a discussion or go anywhere, the town as a whole is not going to progress! Trying to dissuade people from talking is kinda suicidal.

On February 12 2008 16:05 Tracil wrote:
Well, yes, it's still a game, people will lighten it up and that's all very well. The thing is, there's a stark difference between posting a funny paint image and *shopping up an image in order to portray someone as a member of the mafia.*

As an aside, I'm trying to win this game, so, yeah. I will crack down just as hard on anyone else who comes out with stuff like that without a verrrrry good reason. Don't take it personally or anything.

<->

Actually, though, mind outlining for me people who you think would make good targets to be lynched today? If we don't kill you or Shallow, who *do* we kill? Mostly directed at Dr. Dragoon, but anyone who thinks the case on him and Shallow is weak and shouldn't be followed should answer this question (and detail your answers, please.)

On February 12 2008 16:18 infinity21 wrote:

No it was me who said it xD

On February 12 2008 16:33 infinity21 wrote:

Hey you, I already said I was a townie. You gonna lynch a fellow townie? >_<

On February 12 2008 16:21 Tracil wrote:
Firstly, I don't think we'll lose two townies. I still think one of you is lying.

Secondly, *if I never try to kill anyone based on the fact that they *might* have a power role of some kind, then I will never be able to support any lynch*.

Thirdly, we *cannot* just wait for more clues. The mafia gets a whole bunch of kills each night. We get hardly any; they *will* kill townies every night and each and every townie they kill might have a power role of some kind. Conversly, lynching has a chance of hitting mafia, one that can be refined with clues and verbal tells. Killing mafia is the only way we can win the game.

Fourthly, by accusing people and threatening them with death, I can force them to actually speak, rather than continue to go 'hahaha lulz' and make jokes. They'll have to weigh in seriously on various issues and there'll be no way around that; if they refuse to participate, then they're not trying to win for town.

Point the fifth; if we just sit around and adopt a strategy of 'wait and see', that will allow the mafia to dictate the pace of the game via their own kills. Later in the game, as well, we won't be able to go back and look at discussion that took place near the beginning to see if it has new relevance (e.g. did person x defend person y back then, even though it has now been shown that person y was mafia? were their reasons sound at that time?)

On February 13 2008 03:13 ZBiR wrote:
Oh, and if Dr.Dragoon has been proven innocent (while dead ofc ), then Shallow should be hanged.

On February 13 2008 04:44 Yogurt wrote:
i vote to lynch somuchbetter

he sounds very mobsterish

and he tried to defend the dragoon!

LYNCH!!!!!!!

On February 13 2008 06:53 MasterOfChaos wrote:

quoted for conservation

On February 13 2008 07:08 RtS)Night[Mare wrote:
Dude im so eager to see dr. dragoon executed. One less mafia to deal with : )

On February 13 2008 08:58 GeneralStan wrote:
I'm terrified of SMB.

I don't really have any reason to suspect him, but I think a few clever paint images is not much of a basis to vote for a mayor, and he's lined up enough support to be Pardoner.

For the love of god, vote FakeSteve! (As soon as Tracil wraps up the mayoral election.

On February 13 2008 10:41 Caller wrote:
someone update please the voting time ended a while ago

On February 13 2008 11:24 Alventenie wrote:
That someone could be you though.

On February 13 2008 11:47 Tracil wrote:
Mayor is indeed a desirable position for the mafia to take and hold. It is no less desirable for a towny to hold it. Saying "One of the mayoral candidates is probably mafia, don't vote for that guy because of that!" is a pretty weird position, because the logic applies just as much to you as to myself.

Frankly, I think you're abusing your position as a 'known' figure within TL.net to encourage people to vote for you without proposing a plan of action or outlining the logic on which you'll use the mayoral powers; in short, you're relying on a cult of personality to get you elected.

Do you have any plans on who you will lynch if you are elected, and how will you use the ability to declare double-lynches?

On February 13 2008 12:02 Alethios wrote:
Furthermore, I see Dr.Dragoon's distrust of Tracil as a positive thing.

If a probable mafioso is telling us that another player is "100% mafia", chances are the other player isn't.

Vote Tracil!

On February 13 2008 12:20 Tracil wrote:
For the record, if that is the reason Steve killed Alethios, it was fucking stupid. I await the inevitable explanation and justification of his choice.

On February 13 2008 12:30 Tracil wrote:
@ Fakesteve: That's retarded. You don't kill people just for disagreeing with you or opposing you. I can highlight that you have, until just now, given very little explanation for your actions and been mightly closed-lipped about your plans, taking an attitude of 'I'll get it done! Somehow. Yeah.'

I can see plenty of reason to be suspicious of you and still am myself.

<->

@ Dr. Dragoon: I'm getting sick of this. What more evidence do I need? Shallow claimed to receive a message from you. The counterclaim is that he shopped it up as a joke, something to which I do not believe he has agreed.

If I am wrong, link me to the relevant post.

If not, then I can only conclude that *one* of you is lying, and your attitude thus far has left me thinking it is *more likely to be you*. *This is an attempt on someones part to force a mislynch. Why do we just let it slide?* Townies shouldn't be trying to pull that.

On February 13 2008 12:38 Live2Win wrote:
I like where this is going.

I'd like to add some input but I want to see how my theories work out so I'm gonna remain shut for the night.

My only hope is that one of the paramedics protect me tonight, as I'll probably be a mafia target.

Especially if my theories turn out to be true.

On February 13 2008 12:42 Tracil wrote:
Steve: You don't know I'm not mafia, true. However, if you think I am for some reason, point to the actions I've taken that are indicitive of mafia-ness. I've done as much in your case.

Honestly, pointing out that HE MIGHT BE MAFIA in response to any argument is painfully obvious and totally stupid. It feels more like an attempt to close discussion on a difficult topic, rather than to mobilize it.

On February 13 2008 12:47 Live2Win wrote:

fixed. I thought u'd be dead right away.

On February 13 2008 12:52 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
you'd have to kill the bodyguards first

good luck figuring them out

On February 13 2008 13:02 qrs wrote:

Maybe you talk too much.

On February 13 2008 13:07 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
hey dr.dragoon should i kill you

On February 13 2008 15:57 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
have you even considered what will happen if i die?

if you kill me and i'm mafia, you become a target and will surely fall

if you kill me and i'm not mafia, you are a massive idiot and lose not only your credibility but an exceedingly cunning ally

On February 13 2008 16:20 Tracil wrote:


What?

We don't know for sure whether or not you're a mobster. However, that does not make killing you a no-win situation, because you may still be one. And, as usual, this is a position that can be attributed to any lynch ever pretty much (we're not SURE he's mafia. We're virtually never going to be 100% sure.)

<->

A lot of people, particularly the accused, say "But if you kill me and I'm NOT mafia, then you look like a moron. I would put it to you that it's the accused who have done stupid things that make them look like mafia. In part, they are responsible for their own image.

Do not let people saying 'but if you lynch me, you might die/look like an idiot/the sky might fall on you' and arguments such as those dissuade you. These are not rebuttals, but appeals to pride and fear.

On February 13 2008 16:28 Falcynn wrote:
Not entirely true, Shallows picture depicted you as being careless and being a bit foolish. So by trying to act like an oaf after Shallows post, many people probably began to suspect that there's a good chance that you really did send the PM. I actually do believe that people would've jumped on the bandwagon and accused you anyways, but if you would've tried to be more casual you might've had a better chance of getting away.

On February 13 2008 16:32 Falcynn wrote:
ok, it was a drastic understatement, but my point is still valid.

On February 13 2008 16:37 Tracil wrote:
Man, think about how you'd react if it was someone else in that PM box. Someone you didn't know for sure was an alignment either way. I would have had a lot more respect for your arguments if they weren't punctuated with insults.

On February 14 2008 10:23 Live2Win wrote:
WE NEED THIS MAN

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/profile.php?user=L

On February 14 2008 12:59 Empyrean wrote:
What will we do in the meantime?

On February 16 2008 10:42 Hittegods wrote:
Time to put on my hat and robe! Thinking hat, and sherlock holmes robe, that is!

On February 16 2008 16:47 Live2Win wrote:

lol nice try.

I'm assuming DD means Dr.Dragoon

On February 16 2008 16:54 Live2Win wrote:


I wasn't saved by a paramedic, because I didn't get this "PM" from Chuiu or Dapperdan. I have no reason to lie about this either, as the paramedic(s) can easily uncover my lie.

However this puts me in a difficult position. The fact that the mafia didn't even attempt to kill me, means a few things: They want the towns people to suspect me and lynch me, or they want me to think I'm wrong and change my thoughts.... OR I am wrong and see no threat in me.

I need time to think this through.

On February 16 2008 17:09 Alventenie wrote:



If you have a counter argument as how a strange serum doesn't correlate to you, a Doctor, then by all means present it, otherwise the clue is one of the hardest clues pointed at you, because its a direct clue. Nobody else on the list jumps out at me when i look at it and compare that clue to the list aside from you. If you have a counter argument, present it, otherwise, you are just proving that you are guilty anyway and going to be lynched.

On February 16 2008 17:52 Tracil wrote:
Dr. Dragoon consistantly ignores the actual evidence that does point a tenuous finger in his direction in favour of demanding more evidence on himself. There are no cases on anyone else that are the stronger than on him at present. Please stop ignoring the fact that the entire game is a series of educated guesses/crapshoots/gambles whatever you want to call it.

Or, basically- if he is a townie, he should try to find and detail strong cases on other people rather than calling town a pack of idiots. You realise that even if you die and you're a townie, if town wins, you also win? If you've already come up with cases in the game, set them out again, because the thread is huge and the context of today is different than the context of yesterday, and also people are going to forget. Try to narrow your focus to just one or two other people rather than provide a broad range of people who might be mafia.

Remember, if you ARE a townie, *absolutely anyone is a better person to get lynched than you* from your perspective (there's a chance THEY are mafia, and if you know yourself to be town, then yourself getting lynched has a 0% chance of being a good move for town.) Also keep in mind that other people DON'T know your alignment, CAN'T know your alignment for sure, and you have to argue to convince *them*, not yourself.

i.e. "I'm a townie!!!!111" isn't gonna convince anyone.

<->

Likewise, Wurm, if you actually think Dr. Dragoon isn't a worthy lynch target and you have someone you think is *better*, point it out. Don't just go with the flow if you disagree with it. Nobody should try to target you *just* for speaking against the crowd (it depends on the content, naturally. But if your thoughts have merit...)

On February 16 2008 18:15 Tracil wrote:
...no. Bullshit. You do not extort town like that if you're a townie for the sake of your own survival. You do not hold yourself up as some kind of neutral party that 'could give you info, but I won't unless you let me live'. If you were really town and you really wanted town to win, you would do as much as you could to get information out there so that when you flip town, we can look back at your words and take them under consideration.

That whole post smacks of self-preservation at the expense of town's chances of winning. If any townies follow this example, we're fucked.

On February 16 2008 18:20 Hittegods wrote:
Then I'm voting for Dr.Dragoon to be lynched as well. No need for that attitude.

On February 16 2008 18:28 Hittegods wrote:
If you have "100% sure" info on three mafia members, you deserve to die for not revealing them. It would both be good for the town, and a way to get off the hook yourself.

On February 16 2008 18:28 Tracil wrote:
...you'd rather live and lose than die and win.

That's so fucking retarded and petty. People playing like this is the lamest thing you can do. It's not like you twist your ankle playing a game of soccer and proceed to punch every other player on your team in the nuts, and then give the other team performance-enhancing drugs just because you won't be kicking any goals, to provide an exaggerated analogy.

I can understand annoyance, but just stabbing Town in the face because you don't get your way is the ultimate lameness.

On February 17 2008 02:51 RtS)Night[Mare wrote:


Actually if you're smart and innocent, you can search for clues that point to MAFIA. After all there is 14? mafia out of 72 townies, so pointing strong evidence might lead the crowd into lynching a sure target. You have too much suspicion on you right now, so you're dead. You're probably mafia, as all you did was yell IM NOT and didnt contribute to findings, or at least try.

On February 17 2008 03:27 clazziquai wrote:


Just die already. lol

On February 17 2008 03:23 MasterOfChaos wrote:
@DrDragoon:
It does not matter if oneself dies in mafia as long as the right side wins. So you are only screwed(assuming you are towny) if the town loses. So not telling your suspects is irrational behavior (as a towny). Lynching sb whose behavior is irrational under the assumption he is good, is standard mafia behavior, and it's the lynchee own fault.
So you are probably lynched because:
a) Shallow is lying and thus is mafia himself
b) you are mafia
c) you behave stupid or you just want to spoil the game
So at least one of you two is mafia, or one of you is stupid/spoiler.

And in this variant of the game it's in the towns interest do kill much and kill early, as this reduces the number of mafiakills. So using some doublekills early even if you have no proof is probably advisable.

(I'm not playing)

On February 17 2008 03:32 chicken` wrote:
i don't think anyone can be 100% sure about sb being mafia at this point, so he can't really have "figured them out". he's just making assumptions. guess it's his last spark of hope to pretend he knows someone who's mafia for sure so we might change our mind not lynching him (lol ;d)
anyway, it will be quite pleasant to not have to read his repetitive and by now annoying posts anymore.
bye dr

On February 17 2008 03:38 ZBiR wrote:
We screwed up? It was you who acted stupidly/suspiciously. If it turns out that you were a towny, it will be your own fault to make us kill you and waste a lynch.

And yeah, people are telling you that they are mafia. See ya.

On February 17 2008 03:50 str wrote:
completely off topic but does anyone know how old dr.dragoon is? he sounds like those annoying 12-yeah olds that just whine whine whine when its not going their way.

P.S. masterofchaos u better stop posting game related stuff or u might end up like generalstan

On February 17 2008 04:04 str wrote:


nice retort... u completely proved me wrong...

On February 17 2008 04:11 RtS)Night[Mare wrote:
fuck why* doesnt mods just ban this idiot, forget the lynching

On February 17 2008 04:15 JeeJee wrote:
@nightmare
actually if FS was mafia, he WOULD have a reason to kill his bodyguards. I mean, first of all he doesn't care because he's safe even if 3 of them are dead (because mafia won't kill him and vigilantes can't til 4th is dead), and moreover because analysis like yours might pop up (mayor needs bg's to live, why would he kill his own bg, he must be townie)

edit: oh and as for the dragoon issue.. at this point it doesn't even matter if he's townie or not. he a) refused to dispute evidence against him, b) refused to provide evidence against others, c) doesn't want the town to win

On February 17 2008 04:23 JeeJee wrote:

where's you disputing the serum<=>doctor accusation?

this proves my point c

this proves my point c

On February 17 2008 04:31 Falcynn wrote:
I think JeeJee just worded point C wrong, I think what he's trying to say is that you really don't care who wins, just as long as you survive. This mentality can prove to be a huge disadvantage to us townies because it implies that you'd willingly screw us over if it means that you'd be able to live to the next round, and frankly even if you are a townie, we really can't afford to leave someone like that alive.

On February 17 2008 14:10 Fen wrote:
I vote Dr. Dragoon + Notsorry

I also dont believe that both Dr.Dragoon AND Nightmare are both mafia. However 1 of them is. Kill the most likely suspect off first, if hes townie, then Nightmare should be next.

On February 17 2008 14:16 Empyrean wrote:
Before you die, Dr.Dragoon, you can still help the townies (which, if you want to win and you are a towny, then you'll want to do this) by telling us who your mafia picks are, as well as an explanation. That way, your death won't be in vain.

Of course, if you do turn out to be part of the mafia, then good riddance :/

On February 17 2008 14:34 Falcynn wrote:
Yeah, I seriously didn't want Nightmare to die. Dragoon however...despite the fact that he was a townie I have to say we might be better off without him in the long run.

On February 17 2008 14:36 Falcynn wrote:
Also



ROFL can anyone guess which one's which?

On February 17 2008 14:42 Falcynn wrote:
Another thing I'd like to mention is that Dragoon and Nightmare's deaths pretty much prove now that we're interpreting clues the wrong way. I mean the clues leading to nightmare we're pretty vague, but that whole syringe thing with Dr.Dragoon seemed dead on and yet we were wrong.

On February 17 2008 14:46 Empyrean wrote:
This is just depressing

I don't think anyone's clues (THAT MEANS YOU, VHAROX) can really be interpreted and used to convict anyone.

I'm almost glad to see Dragoon gone, though. He didn't share his mafia picks before he died and now we don't know his suspicions (which actually might have been accurate).

On February 17 2008 16:35 str wrote:


apologies for torpedoing his own team?

On February 17 2008 21:43 qrs wrote:

Neither are you any more.
(nor am I. this comment, having to do with non-players, is non-game-related)

On February 20 2008 15:56 Chuiu wrote:

Yet...

EDIT:
Mafia Godfather - Gets to randomly leave severed horse heads on peoples beds to freak them out. Cannot be lynched while all other mafia are still alive.

Lol...

On February 21 2008 12:14 Caller wrote:


i figured as much...

although i wouldnt pubically request anybody to do anything. that'd be kinda sketchy.

My only question for you is, why did u keep calling on medics to save you?

On February 22 2008 09:33 Tracil wrote:
HE DUG HIS OWN GRAVE.

It started with him going "NOOOOOOOOOOO" and ended with him being stupidly standoffish and insulting everyone. Instead of immediately saying "Wait, I didn't PM that, Shallow is lying!" Hell, he even acted as if Shallow *might* be telling the truth half the time!

If that passes for a credible defence, then town is certainly fucked.

On February 22 2008 13:36 Falcynn wrote:
Dude...are you trying to indirectly confess to being mafia? I mean I don't see any sort of defence in that post.

On February 24 2008 08:29 Caller wrote:
Guys im pretty sure its GG

consider it: we have until day 6 to kill at least two mafiaso.
thats... three days
we have three lynches therefore

i doubt the mafia would have 0 candidates for mayor-at least one had to be mayor

the only major candidate left is...Tracil.

therefore Tracil is likely mafiaso
he has 4 pardons for 3 lynches
therefore
were buttfucked
and we cant kill him cuz 3 bodyguards are still alive
so unless our vigilantes killed all our bodyguards and tracil
were boned

On March 04 2008 13:06 Unforgiven_ve wrote:
call L2W, he's a paramedic?

On March 09 2008 13:52 qrs wrote:

I'm glad someone's called him on it. Shallow, you've made a shipload of posts in this thread gloating about how much the mafia owns, but what have you done for the Mafia? Only make a stupid post that exposed you as a mafioso by the second day, and inexplicably point out the "iaaagh" clue that killed iamderek. If all the mafia played like you, the town would probably have won by now.

On March 11 2008 22:22 Mynock wrote:


QFT. It's so annoying even to read it (almost as annoying as Shallow was, altho not quite).

And judging from this thread, if inactivity within town stays as it is and mafia has the advantage it had this round, you might as well close shop as soon as you get a towny role next round. Not to say it's impossible, it's just not fun to play with a 60% inactive team.

I'd kindly ask Chuiu to address this issue if possible, and I'd like to decide upon my participation in the next round based on that