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Caller's a bodyguard, right. No, he's not the one who PM'd me about being a bodyguard (he PM'd me for a totally different reason.)
That takes suspicion off him for now. I still fucking hate FakeSteve's attitude, though. Sure, we shouldn't lynch Caller. Who should we lynch? Do you have any alternatives? No, just a pointless insult. You didn't even try to argue in his favour *at all* from what I remember, which you should have been doing if you knew he was a bodyguard early on! What the fuck, man?
I hate the fact that the only reason you're useful to town is by the merits of a position you don't even deserve. Paramedics, use your freaking discretion. It'd be pretty dumb if all of you wound up protecting the guy.
Still voting for NotSorry until he posts... some kind of opinion.
FakeSteve looks absolutely horrible to me at the moment. If he wasn't mayor and at least have the *potential* to be useful by virtue of role, he'd almost certainly have my vote.
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@Emp: Do you mean why I think Caller looks bad? Eh, I explained it earlier. With regard to the couple of posts I mentioned, it's because he seemed to ignore a possibility (that the argument between me, Live2Win and himself could have been a towniefight.) He claimed that was filed under 'the mafia are framing me', but... that seemed like a totally different angle.
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Given that I was suspicious of you for not saying anything, Steve, I find it highly suspicious that you're calling me out for being suspicious of people who talk. Likewise, given that I'm voting for someone explicitly because they *aren't* talking, I wonder if you're been paying attention... like... at all.
I don't really know where you've pulled this stuff from. And I've already said why actually pardoning people is a bad idea pretty much all the time. Maybe you'd like to tell me what circumstances it might be a good idea in, hmm?
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Answer my question. Cease ignoring my actual points. Oh, encouraging people to be silent is pretty retarded, please don't do that.
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When I talk in this game, it is, in fact, generally about who I find suspicious or would like to see lynched when it's not about how I think the game should be played. It should be no wonder that you see me accusing people and the like and almost nothing else. It's not like we're here to discuss cake.
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I'm sorry I don't have psychic powers of scum detection and can only rely on what I see. I have been suspicious of many people, but that's natural in this game. I try to root out the *most* suspicious.
Speaking of picking things out, 'not wanting to post anything because he'll pick it apart' will do for now. That's a lame attitude to take. I would have expected more conviction from our mayor. Then again, saying nothing substantial seems to be his stock in trade. After all, it got him elected.
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The only circumstance in which I will pardon anyone, *as I said when I attained this rank*, is to prevent mayoral abuse. Therefore, I will pardon Live2Win *only* if FakeSteve votes for him and *only* if FakeSteve's extra votes would have pushed him into lynch territory.
I, myself, will not be voting for Live2Win yet. But I'm curious; Live2Win, who did you protect on night 2?
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Fuck this.
I vote for Fakesteve.
It takes a special kind of ignorance to play the game the way he's playing it. I'm the one opposing you? You haven't done *anything* to oppose... except, you know, act as if the entire way I'm playing is bad. And insult me. And everyone. Right. Then act as if I can somehow immediately just KNOW for sure whether someone is innocent or not.
He doesn't do ANYTHING but yell at people "You can't do this!" "You're stupid!" "Vote for me or there'll be consequences!" There are never REASONS. Except, you know, he's in a position of power and feels like he should be able to throw his weight around.
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I don't know what I'd do if me and fakesteve voted for the same guy and he would've been pushed ahead by the fakesteve vote. It'd depend how strongly I thought he was scum as compared to the other candidates for lynch. I CAN say that in general, I would prefer to lynch *anyone* than to lynch *nobody*.
However, the point is probably moot.
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Man, Steve, you're voting for me although I'm not mafia. Clearly, you're a fucking retard.
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Not so compelling when it's someone else who says it, I'll bet. lrn2argue plz
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I have no idea how I'm supposed to respond to nonsense accusations of nonsense (I thought the implications of my above statement were pretty clear, for one.)
I guess it would be too much to ask for you to post examples? I haven't edited any of my posts, so my 'nonsense', as it were, should still be there. I can't find it myself, as I think everything I've posted so far has, well, made sense.
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Oh wow.
People are suddenly fine with pointing to how 'oh look, Tracil said something and lots of people are voting the way he does- MAFIA?!' but please try to remember that Fakesteve said next to nothing on day 1 and still got elected mayor just because he, well, asked for it. I'm through with people using double standards.
Please stop abstaining from voting. Otherwise, as someone pointed out, the mafia will vote for you and control the lynch. Hell, all of them won't even need to do it, a bunch of them could probably abstain as well, take no position on the matter, and basically hide. And it'll be effective, too.
FakeSteve sounds like a broken record, because all he does is go 'you guys are wrong, and stupid, and town is doomed'. He keeps saying we've all been stupid for voting for innocents... but... HE NEVER PROVIDES ALTERNATIVE TARGETS. He acts as if everyone already KNOWS who the mafia is and that we're all deliberately not voting for them out of spite, or because we don't realise we have to kill mafia to win, or some shit like that. I can't tolerate his attitude. He's utterly refused to answer my questions or justify his actions to me, instead constantly saying shit like "I'm not going to spend the whole game justifying my actions to Tracil, that's no fun."
WTF? This whole game is what amounts to a giant interrogation! Silence is tantamount to admitting you did it. There are no miranda rights. Also, I may as well point out to everyone that if people play games of mafia for the lulz and stuff like that, scum will win like 100% of the time. The likelyhood of town winning is, like, directly proportional to how seriously town takes the game.
He's also acting EXACTLY like Dr. Dragoon with this-
Fakesteve said:
though it goes against the spirit of the game i would much rather watch all of you fail just to see how you deal with it
@Zapling: No, having a mafia mayor isn't really good. He won't exercise his double-lynch power, for instance, unless he's sure both candidates are town. So actually he's dangerous and harmful. He's already got away with not declaring it today.
And.. oh, please.
Zapling said:The reasons you people are listing for voting for Fakesteve don't makes sense within the game.
You say he does nothing but calls us all idiots. So what? Call me an idiot all you want, it does not affect the game. Once you start pushing you political agendas on me and start influencing the votes of other people, then I start to get mad. That is what I think Tracil is doing here.
What? The ONLY 'political' agenda I have is... killing scum. And now I'm apparently not allowed to argue with people and try to convince them to vote the way I think they should? What? Sorry, what's the game we're playing again? I don't think it's roulette or the lottery or any of that shit. Arguments are all I have.
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The point is that he acted in a ridiculously stupid fashion that was not good for town at all. We've all seen how that harms town, and you're emulating him.
Why? It's not acceptable.
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HE DUG HIS OWN GRAVE.
It started with him going "NOOOOOOOOOOO" and ended with him being stupidly standoffish and insulting everyone. Instead of immediately saying "Wait, I didn't PM that, Shallow is lying!" Hell, he even acted as if Shallow *might* be telling the truth half the time!
If that passes for a credible defence, then town is certainly fucked.
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I am approaching things reasonably. Point to where I didn't, and I'll tell you my reasoning.
Besides, where were you in day 2? You seemed perfectly content to shut up and do nothing, even while town was apparently too stupid to find it's own ass? Hindsight is 20/20, but you're as stupid as the rest of us apparently are, given that you didn't do anything to stop it.
I keep asking you to explain yourself, and you keep refusing.
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We don't elect a new mayor. That question has been asked a million times...
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I would rather day was extended and a double lynch was used.
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I'm not an Elder. o-O
Sorry, I should make it clear that I'm not voting for NotSorry right now.
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SoMuchBetter...
I don't have any pro-town argument from him. The thread is kinda huge, but he basically did nothing but make a token effort to campaign for mayor, and then vanished, right?
NotSorry has posted a few times. Not much content, but he has. Going after a lurker is fine too. SoMuchBetter, post your thoughts on the game to avoid getting my vote in some detail, please.
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If this is actually going to be a double lynch day, Steve better hurry up and declare it.
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Bah, voting for FakeSteve is a fine and upstanding choice. It's voting for him- or ANYONE- in a oneliner "I vote for xyz" post with no qualification or clarification or explanation or ANYTHING and this is going to hurt town so bad.
Hate all of you who don't actually discuss things. Hate so much.
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Amber[Light], you can't state with absolute certainty that you know I'm town, unless you're scum. Sigh. Hate me taking this stance as well.
HotZhot, Steve ISN'T coinciding with town's decisions. Him having extra votes is immaterial and not really a benefit for town, and in fact it's *harmful* if he's scum. What more do you want?
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Oh, ok. I missed you declaring double lynch somehow, sorry 'bout that.
I am voting for SoMuchBetter, then, and am not voting for FakeSteve now because he used his double lynch, which means he may do so again in the future.. Instead, I am voting for NotSorry.
Why on SoMuchBetter: He ran for mayor and has basically vanished since; I can't remember if he's done *anything*; I don't think he's even voted during this run. I wonder if he's even checking the thread. Lurking is horrible.
Why on NotSorry: He's trying to hint at how town fails to read clues by arguing to lynch... himself? I find that really bizzare. I don't like it much when people try to be ironic or sarcastic in their explanations like that.
I may yet change my votes but I have to dash out for the moment. I agree with not lynching FakeSteve if he's declaring double lynch, because I believe double lynches help town in general (so, yeah, in this light, even if he IS scum, his powers are being used in a pro-town way.)
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On February 23 2008 12:04 JeeJee wrote:Show nested quote +On February 23 2008 12:03 Romance_us wrote:On February 23 2008 12:02 JeeJee wrote:On February 23 2008 12:01 Romance_us wrote:On February 23 2008 11:54 JeeJee wrote:
L2W, romance, since you're actually reading the thread right now
what do you have to gain by lynching fakesteve? assuming best case scenario, town STILL becomes worse off when he's dead
comments? How do you figure? He's using his advantage votes to vote for TRACIL, I don't see how it could possibly be worse if he were dead. If he were to use his stacked votes to go with us, or at least have a better explanation as to why to stray from our path, other than Tracil being "pessimistic", then yes, I would reconsider. But... uhm we don't have double lynches if he's dead? Better one townie dead than two, right? Look at last double lynch... that has got to be the most retarded thing i've read you're assuming we only lynch townies and while the facts are on your side for now (  ) i am hoping that will change. edit: just to clarify, it's not FS's fault we voted for townies edit#2: just to make your point further, why lynch at all? we don't have to. 0 townies better than 1 right?
JeeJee is ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. Town MUST LYNCH and arguing to 'lynch less than we can' is foolishness. Town can't win without lynches at all.
If Town lynches nothing but townies and loses the game, the way to fix it in future games is *not* to 'lynch nobody'. So. Yeah.
Re: EmeraldSparks: Actually, there's one more reason to run for mayor, which is that you're running because you're a townie and you don't want mafia to get it. That was part of why I ran (although putting that into your campaign is pointless), with the other part thinking that I would make a good mayor.
I would.. agree from an objective standpoint that my power is less useful than FakeSteves. I guess. I don't really think I've been scummy, like, at all. See next paragraph.
I disagree heavily with the concept that if Steve is town, I am likely mafia. I can point again and again to actual, *real* flaws in Steve's play. People have trouble doing the same to me, as evidenced by arguments that say "Tracil is likely to be scum BECAUSE scum would want to run for mayor" or "He's scum if x is town"- these aren't targeting my actual play. I do NOT want to hit Steve while he's using his powers (as they are 100% protown) but I don't really trust him, let me make that clear.
SoMuchBetter is not bringing things up because he's scared of being hit at night. I think that's a load of crap and not a valid excuse at all. If every townie was too scared to talk and try and argue things, town would have no chance whatsoever.
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Oh, the 'fakesteve is weak' thing is a bit lame, I gotta say. It's fine to make a mistake and correct it, or not be sure about stuff in mafia after a while. I applaud him double-lynching and am somewhat suspicious of people trying to draw attention to that; it's totally missing the actual problems in his play. Were the people pointing that out to later be revealed as scum, I would be markedly less suspicious of steve.
You've got to realise that it's not whether someone votes or criticizes someone else that makes them look bad; it's how they do and their reasons therein.
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I want to see an updated votecount, actually...
People, let's not vote for FakeSteve if he's using his double lynch. Seriously.
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