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It is not beneficial to lay low, and in fact I am always scared of losing the majority of lynching votes to the mafia. It will not take very long, in fact, for them to make up numbers- not with seven kills per night. We have to do everything we can to try and catch them in order to curb their rampage.
What do you suggest? Staying silent? How does that help town? Is it not better to speak and be heard, and let your actions and voice prove your alignment? We learn more about people by two things in this game; the clues the mod drops (which are unreliable), and what they *say*. If we are passive- and in fact, if passivity is encouraged- it becomes very difficult to distinguish one townie from another. We'll wind up having no basis for lynches at all in future days. It's better for us to get started now.
I'd like to hear why you think laying low is a superior option; really, when you get down to it, mafia is a game of discussion and debate. Without that debate, what do we have?
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Hmm. Alright, Dr. Dragoon. Let's put it this way.
If Shallow fesses up and says that the picture actually WAS a joke, I'll reconsider my position. Fair is fair.
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Wait, I should be mayor? And I'm not because some guy was fucking around and messed up the results? And the mods keep telling people that editing posts is fine, even though it is, frankly, none of their business whether or not I take a stance on how it's a scumtell or not and whether or not I can encourage other people to think the same way? Uh yeah that's great, everyone knows it is a technically legal move, but I'm playing the game the way I want to and I say it's uncool to edit your posts. Kindly stop subverting my arguments unless you're actually, y'know, playing the game.
None of my opinions are changing, but my frustration is shooting through the roof.
Anyway people don't need to worry about me dying one way or the other, pardoner gets bodyguard protection like the mayor. So. Yeah.
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I've played mafia in other places. 'Scum' is a term that basically means 'mafia' across the interwebs. The bad dudes. Guys town is trying to lynch. Sorry if that's confusing... although I thought the connotations were kinda obvious.
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Oh ok.
Shallow Bay's mood indicator is a guy wearing sunglasses! You know who else wears sunglasses? MAFIOSO
</joke>
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I probably can't be mayor because FakeSteve likely already knows who all the bodyguards are; that's information you can't just take back, so we're stuck.
Chuiu made the right call here.. but... argh. >_<
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The thing about bodyguards is that they have to be town, ergo steve knows who a bunch of townies are even if they lose their bodyguard status. We'd have to start the game from scratch, i.e. have a new mafia and everything for it to be fair.
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I.. am.. continuing to receive PMs, and they are of various levels of disturbing. o-o
One was from *GeneralStan*, of all people, telling me that a *third* faction is arising in our midst. It supposedly consists of both mafia and town, and is planning to wipe out everyone else and claim a victory for this third faction. Psst guys, if that's true, then the rules of the game don't suddenly change because you say they do, this game is a binary thing and there are only two sides, only one of which can actually win. Also, breaking the game in this fashion is... really lame for anyone who's trying to play it as intended. It's like playing chess and promoting your pawn to a battleship or some shit, or making up a new element in rock/paper/scissors that beats the other three.
However, I am inclined to believe that this is some kind of lame prank, and am disregarding it for the time being.
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The other messages involved people claiming their roles and making arguments that are better suited for public discussion. Suffice to say the following in response to the latter; If a mod bans you for taking action or a stance against him in this game, that's very very gay of him and he shall be deemed Unworthy Of His Power.
Other thing was a guy roleclaiming bodyguard. I'm not revealing who at this stage (if he's telling the truth, I don't wanna set him up as a target), but I will reply publically that you have to understand that I *cannot* trust such a claim just by itself; I'll treat you the same way I treat everyone else, and judge you by your actions.
Later on in the game, as it draws to a close, I may call for roleclaims in general as a way of confirming townies to be townies; this tactic, however, is better suited for when the mafia have less kills and we only need a few successful lynches to win, OR we are only one or two lynches away from losing outright. Early on it won't work so well (the mafia will just kill everyone who claims. And in either case, they can fake-claim roles themselves.)
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Yeah, I figured nobody would be that gay.
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Hmm. It does occur to me that steve DOES know who bodyguards are, and if I need to confirm this person's identity and role, I can bounce the name off him. Ok, I'll keep this in mind before I accuse him of anything.
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I'm not asking you to right now. Besides, he should confirm it himself if I ask; it's more that I may need your verification so I know that *he* isn't lying.
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L is a character from Death Note, and he's a brilliant detective. He figures out the villian via how he plays a game of tennis.
SO, anyone for a round of starcraft?! </joke, you'd beat me I suck>
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Empyrean: Sure. The point of my statement was not 'Hey, fakesteve, tell me who the bodyguards are!' The point is that someone claiming to be a bodyguard has PM'd me to tell me what his role is. I, however, cannot be sure that he's not lying to me; and I cannot give away his name in CASE he is telling the truth, as then the mafia would surely dispose of him.
However, if I develop a reason to be suspicious of him in the future, I know for sure that if he is a bodyguard, Fakesteve would already know. Thus, fakesteve will be able to show to me whether or not this person was lying to me or not.
I presently have no reason to be suspicious of this guy (except for him, well, PMing me when I have said not to PM me), and thus no reason to ask steve to do this.
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Question to the mods: If we double lynch, do both lynches need to resolve at the end of the day, or can we lynch one person, see his flip, and then lynch another?
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I likewise Vote Dr.Dragoon to be lynched. I can reiterate the general argument again (for the millionth time, it feels like), which is that one of he or Shallow is likely lying due to the screenshot. I don't really have much more to add that I haven't said in previous posts, here.
I also believe FakeSteve should declare a double lynch. The town deciding on more kills is good, and gives us a chance to catch up to the mafia, both in terms of numbers and in terms of information.
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Oh, yeah. The bodyguard that died wasn't the guy who PM'd me. He's still alive and kicking, and he knows who he is.
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FakeSteve: Actually, no, that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying a double lynch is in town's benefit *in general* and should be used all the time (this was part of my election platform!). It'll give us time to discuss and select another target, which then provides more information to the town via the discussion which is generated (and such discussion has more force when your lives are on the line TODAY.). It'd be more optimal to discuss such a target on the same day we lynch him than not, and it puts the scum under greater pressure if one of the people discussed IS indeed mafia (which can lead to slips in their own posts) If Dr. Dragoon flips scum, then we'd have had no reason to kill Shallow (and indeed, if he flips scum, shallow will have some very good townie cred.) I would advocate killing Shallow tomorrow if Dragoon flips TOWN- but I want to see his alignment before I decided my stance on Shallow.
I advocated declaring double lynches whenever possible in my election run, and my stance there hasn't changed.
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Dr. Dragoon consistantly ignores the actual evidence that does point a tenuous finger in his direction in favour of demanding more evidence on himself. There are no cases on anyone else that are the stronger than on him at present. Please stop ignoring the fact that the entire game is a series of educated guesses/crapshoots/gambles whatever you want to call it.
Or, basically- if he is a townie, he should try to find and detail strong cases on other people rather than calling town a pack of idiots. You realise that even if you die and you're a townie, if town wins, you also win? If you've already come up with cases in the game, set them out again, because the thread is huge and the context of today is different than the context of yesterday, and also people are going to forget. Try to narrow your focus to just one or two other people rather than provide a broad range of people who might be mafia.
Remember, if you ARE a townie, *absolutely anyone is a better person to get lynched than you* from your perspective (there's a chance THEY are mafia, and if you know yourself to be town, then yourself getting lynched has a 0% chance of being a good move for town.) Also keep in mind that other people DON'T know your alignment, CAN'T know your alignment for sure, and you have to argue to convince *them*, not yourself.
i.e. "I'm a townie!!!!111" isn't gonna convince anyone.
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Likewise, Wurm, if you actually think Dr. Dragoon isn't a worthy lynch target and you have someone you think is *better*, point it out. Don't just go with the flow if you disagree with it. Nobody should try to target you *just* for speaking against the crowd (it depends on the content, naturally. But if your thoughts have merit...)
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...no. Bullshit. You do not extort town like that if you're a townie for the sake of your own survival. You do not hold yourself up as some kind of neutral party that 'could give you info, but I won't unless you let me live'. If you were really town and you really wanted town to win, you would do as much as you could to get information out there so that when you flip town, we can look back at your words and take them under consideration.
That whole post smacks of self-preservation at the expense of town's chances of winning. If any townies follow this example, we're fucked.
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...you'd rather live and lose than die and win.
That's so fucking retarded and petty. People playing like this is the lamest thing you can do. It's not like you twist your ankle playing a game of soccer and proceed to punch every other player on your team in the nuts, and then give the other team performance-enhancing drugs just because you won't be kicking any goals, to provide an exaggerated analogy.
I can understand annoyance, but just stabbing Town in the face because you don't get your way is the ultimate lameness.
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