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On February 12 2008 15:52 Tracil wrote:
A joke? I'm not just dismissing this as a joke. Let it be an object lesson on why doctoring up stuff like that to try and get other townies lynched is a *scum tactic* and not something a townie should do.
Townies pulling shit like that probably don't want to win and are harmful to the town as a whole. If we let jokes like that slide now, that can give mafioso free licence to make up stuff in the future and then pass it off as just being funny. I'm not prepared to simply let it go, and if you are both townies, then it should be an object lesson as to *why you shouldn't bull stunts like that*.
And what is with this 'be wary of those who lead discussions' crap? If nobody tries to start a discussion or go anywhere, the town as a whole is not going to progress! Trying to dissuade people from talking is kinda suicidal.
I didn't see any of that 'be wary', but if you thought that was what I meant, then you are mistaken. I simply meant that you should choose what you say more carefully.
I didn't think you would dismiss the topic as a joke, and I don't think anyone will really take it as a lesson if both us get lynched. At the end of the day, it's still a game, and people will do whatever they feel they need to make it more entertaining. It may be true that shallow and I started it, but I highly doubt it'll end with us anyways. Actually, we might not have started it. Just look all over the thread. A prime example is SMB's campaign poster.
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Live2Win
United States6657 Posts
sorry, I've read everything he has to say, and it's all circumstantial, except for the one thing I posted waaaaay back that doesn't explain his action as a towny.
On the other hand if I consider him mafia it everything makes sense.
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I demand a prize if you're wrong about me L2W! And I don't mean a ban damnit 
Dunno why, something about you saying you're 99% sure I'm mafia just annoyed me. Let's see how big that 1% chance really is
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Well, yes, it's still a game, people will lighten it up and that's all very well. The thing is, there's a stark difference between posting a funny paint image and *shopping up an image in order to portray someone as a member of the mafia.*
As an aside, I'm trying to win this game, so, yeah. I will crack down just as hard on anyone else who comes out with stuff like that without a verrrrry good reason. Don't take it personally or anything.
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Actually, though, mind outlining for me people who you think would make good targets to be lynched today? If we don't kill you or Shallow, who *do* we kill? Mostly directed at Dr. Dragoon, but anyone who thinks the case on him and Shallow is weak and shouldn't be followed should answer this question (and detail your answers, please.)
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On February 12 2008 16:05 Tracil wrote:
Well, yes, it's still a game, people will lighten it up and that's all very well. The thing is, there's a stark difference between posting a funny paint image and *shopping up an image in order to portray someone as a member of the mafia.*
As an aside, I'm trying to win this game, so, yeah. I will crack down just as hard on anyone else who comes out with stuff like that without a verrrrry good reason. Don't take it personally or anything.
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Actually, though, mind outlining for me people who you think would make good targets to be lynched today? If we don't kill you or Shallow, who *do* we kill? Mostly directed at Dr. Dragoon, but anyone who thinks the case on him and Shallow is weak and shouldn't be followed should answer this question (and detail your answers, please.)
It's a very complicated situation, one of the reasons why I didn't even attempt to run for mayor in the first place. Your approach to the game has several flaws as it is. You might just be thinking, oh at worst, 2 townies gone, at best a mafia gone. That type of thinking has several problems. One example is if Shallow is actually detective. After I get lynched and you realize I'm innocent, you'll probably lynch him. Shallow is out, detective gone. The cycle can continue, you could lose the paramedic and vigilante, which are both very important roles.
You're rushing to lynch everyone as fast as possible, I wouldn't be surprised if you were mafia. If I were mayor, I'd think a lot more on this, and possibly wait for more clues before taking action.
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infinity21
Canada6683 Posts
On February 12 2008 15:59 Dr.Dragoon wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2008 15:52 Tracil wrote:
A joke? I'm not just dismissing this as a joke. Let it be an object lesson on why doctoring up stuff like that to try and get other townies lynched is a *scum tactic* and not something a townie should do.
Townies pulling shit like that probably don't want to win and are harmful to the town as a whole. If we let jokes like that slide now, that can give mafioso free licence to make up stuff in the future and then pass it off as just being funny. I'm not prepared to simply let it go, and if you are both townies, then it should be an object lesson as to *why you shouldn't bull stunts like that*.
And what is with this 'be wary of those who lead discussions' crap? If nobody tries to start a discussion or go anywhere, the town as a whole is not going to progress! Trying to dissuade people from talking is kinda suicidal. I didn't see any of that 'be wary', but if you thought that was what I meant, then you are mistaken. I simply meant that you should choose what you say more carefully.
No it was me who said it xD
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On February 12 2008 16:18 infinity21 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2008 15:59 Dr.Dragoon wrote:On February 12 2008 15:52 Tracil wrote:
A joke? I'm not just dismissing this as a joke. Let it be an object lesson on why doctoring up stuff like that to try and get other townies lynched is a *scum tactic* and not something a townie should do.
Townies pulling shit like that probably don't want to win and are harmful to the town as a whole. If we let jokes like that slide now, that can give mafioso free licence to make up stuff in the future and then pass it off as just being funny. I'm not prepared to simply let it go, and if you are both townies, then it should be an object lesson as to *why you shouldn't bull stunts like that*.
And what is with this 'be wary of those who lead discussions' crap? If nobody tries to start a discussion or go anywhere, the town as a whole is not going to progress! Trying to dissuade people from talking is kinda suicidal. I didn't see any of that 'be wary', but if you thought that was what I meant, then you are mistaken. I simply meant that you should choose what you say more carefully. No it was me who said it xD
Lynch this man.
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Firstly, I don't think we'll lose two townies. I still think one of you is lying.
Secondly, *if I never try to kill anyone based on the fact that they *might* have a power role of some kind, then I will never be able to support any lynch*.
Thirdly, we *cannot* just wait for more clues. The mafia gets a whole bunch of kills each night. We get hardly any; they *will* kill townies every night and each and every townie they kill might have a power role of some kind. Conversly, lynching has a chance of hitting mafia, one that can be refined with clues and verbal tells. Killing mafia is the only way we can win the game.
Fourthly, by accusing people and threatening them with death, I can force them to actually speak, rather than continue to go 'hahaha lulz' and make jokes. They'll have to weigh in seriously on various issues and there'll be no way around that; if they refuse to participate, then they're not trying to win for town.
Point the fifth; if we just sit around and adopt a strategy of 'wait and see', that will allow the mafia to dictate the pace of the game via their own kills. Later in the game, as well, we won't be able to go back and look at discussion that took place near the beginning to see if it has new relevance (e.g. did person x defend person y back then, even though it has now been shown that person y was mafia? were their reasons sound at that time?)
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On February 12 2008 15:33 infinity21 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2008 15:17 Live2Win wrote:On February 12 2008 14:47 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:Another stepped up to Chuiu with a knife in his hand and said "I'll take care of this, he's been a thorn in my side since the day I got here". Chuiu looked up once again to see his executioner, "You're never going to be trusted iaaagh" the knife pierced his throat quickly, in seconds he was dead. The mafioso who killed Chuiu's name started with i. This leaves us with: -ieatkids5 -imDerek -ilovezil -infinity21 The prononciation of "iaaagh" implies that the "i" is clearly pronounced, leaving us with ilovezil, ieatkids5, and imDerek. Chuiu joined teamliquid in 2003, and has been "a thorn in my side since the day I got here". This implies that it has been a long time that Chuiu has been irritating the person in question. The issue arises here that the closest join date was that of ieatkids5, in September 2004. I'm still working out this clue, but I think it places ieatkids5 as a good suspect at this time, with ilovezil and imDerek close behind. [EDIT=Breakthrough] Depending on how Aepplet is pronounced, it could be taken as "i-pplet". Aepplet joined the site in 2003, mere months after Chuiu! [EDIT] wow, great catch right there.... Definately helpful. See, I told you people that I wasn't a mafia. We're a finite simple group of order two~ p.s. be wary of those who lead discussions
Sorry to say it my friend, but this doesn't say anything either way about your mafia status. Firstly we can't assume that the assumption of the pronunciation is correct. Secondly, assuming you aren't the dredge from the clue, doesn't mean you aren't one of the other 13 members.
To be frank, we know one of either shallow or dragoon is lying. This means that one of them is almost certainly from the Cult of Despair. Kill off the most suspicious one first. reassess. then kill off the other if need be.
A presumably better than 50/50 chance of killing a mafioso this evening (before he has the chance to kill one of us off), is highly beneficial to us, and should be taken advantage of.
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The townies outnumber the mafia by quite a bit now. You're also underestimating the power of mayor. Mayor has several ways to kill, as long as the town is willing to help.
I'll tell you this now, if I were mafia, you wouldn't win as mayor unless you get extremely lucky or one of the mafioso seriously screw up.
Edit: I'm not mafia. Seriously
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infinity21
Canada6683 Posts
On February 12 2008 16:19 Dr.Dragoon wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2008 16:18 infinity21 wrote:On February 12 2008 15:59 Dr.Dragoon wrote:On February 12 2008 15:52 Tracil wrote:
A joke? I'm not just dismissing this as a joke. Let it be an object lesson on why doctoring up stuff like that to try and get other townies lynched is a *scum tactic* and not something a townie should do.
Townies pulling shit like that probably don't want to win and are harmful to the town as a whole. If we let jokes like that slide now, that can give mafioso free licence to make up stuff in the future and then pass it off as just being funny. I'm not prepared to simply let it go, and if you are both townies, then it should be an object lesson as to *why you shouldn't bull stunts like that*.
And what is with this 'be wary of those who lead discussions' crap? If nobody tries to start a discussion or go anywhere, the town as a whole is not going to progress! Trying to dissuade people from talking is kinda suicidal. I didn't see any of that 'be wary', but if you thought that was what I meant, then you are mistaken. I simply meant that you should choose what you say more carefully. No it was me who said it xD Lynch this man.
Hey you, I already said I was a townie. You gonna lynch a fellow townie? >_<
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On February 12 2008 16:33 infinity21 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2008 16:19 Dr.Dragoon wrote:On February 12 2008 16:18 infinity21 wrote:On February 12 2008 15:59 Dr.Dragoon wrote:On February 12 2008 15:52 Tracil wrote:
A joke? I'm not just dismissing this as a joke. Let it be an object lesson on why doctoring up stuff like that to try and get other townies lynched is a *scum tactic* and not something a townie should do.
Townies pulling shit like that probably don't want to win and are harmful to the town as a whole. If we let jokes like that slide now, that can give mafioso free licence to make up stuff in the future and then pass it off as just being funny. I'm not prepared to simply let it go, and if you are both townies, then it should be an object lesson as to *why you shouldn't bull stunts like that*.
And what is with this 'be wary of those who lead discussions' crap? If nobody tries to start a discussion or go anywhere, the town as a whole is not going to progress! Trying to dissuade people from talking is kinda suicidal. I didn't see any of that 'be wary', but if you thought that was what I meant, then you are mistaken. I simply meant that you should choose what you say more carefully. No it was me who said it xD Lynch this man. Hey you, I already said I was a townie. You gonna lynch a fellow townie? >_<
That seems to be the current theme going around.
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On February 12 2008 16:33 infinity21 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2008 16:19 Dr.Dragoon wrote:On February 12 2008 16:18 infinity21 wrote:On February 12 2008 15:59 Dr.Dragoon wrote:On February 12 2008 15:52 Tracil wrote:
A joke? I'm not just dismissing this as a joke. Let it be an object lesson on why doctoring up stuff like that to try and get other townies lynched is a *scum tactic* and not something a townie should do.
Townies pulling shit like that probably don't want to win and are harmful to the town as a whole. If we let jokes like that slide now, that can give mafioso free licence to make up stuff in the future and then pass it off as just being funny. I'm not prepared to simply let it go, and if you are both townies, then it should be an object lesson as to *why you shouldn't bull stunts like that*.
And what is with this 'be wary of those who lead discussions' crap? If nobody tries to start a discussion or go anywhere, the town as a whole is not going to progress! Trying to dissuade people from talking is kinda suicidal. I didn't see any of that 'be wary', but if you thought that was what I meant, then you are mistaken. I simply meant that you should choose what you say more carefully. No it was me who said it xD Lynch this man. Hey you, I already said I was a townie. You gonna lynch a fellow townie? >_<
You could be lieing, I'm not accussing you, just stating that declaring yourself a towny doesn't make you safe.
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Telling me that I'm not going to win if I play how I'm playing is not in and of itself compelling (please explain why; I feel I've rebuffed your earlier points, if I haven't please say so. Studiously lynching liars does not seem like a losing strategy to me, and nor does trying to encourage people to talk and discuss things.)
The mayor has the power to call double lynches- and he *should*- but the fact remains that the mafia get... what, seven kills to start? Town can pull two a day, tops? Vigilantes exist of course but they're a bit more random than the town (due to being left to their own devices) and they can't kill over the first night.
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infinity21
Canada6683 Posts
On February 12 2008 16:34 Dr.Dragoon wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2008 16:33 infinity21 wrote:On February 12 2008 16:19 Dr.Dragoon wrote:On February 12 2008 16:18 infinity21 wrote:On February 12 2008 15:59 Dr.Dragoon wrote:On February 12 2008 15:52 Tracil wrote:
A joke? I'm not just dismissing this as a joke. Let it be an object lesson on why doctoring up stuff like that to try and get other townies lynched is a *scum tactic* and not something a townie should do.
Townies pulling shit like that probably don't want to win and are harmful to the town as a whole. If we let jokes like that slide now, that can give mafioso free licence to make up stuff in the future and then pass it off as just being funny. I'm not prepared to simply let it go, and if you are both townies, then it should be an object lesson as to *why you shouldn't bull stunts like that*.
And what is with this 'be wary of those who lead discussions' crap? If nobody tries to start a discussion or go anywhere, the town as a whole is not going to progress! Trying to dissuade people from talking is kinda suicidal. I didn't see any of that 'be wary', but if you thought that was what I meant, then you are mistaken. I simply meant that you should choose what you say more carefully. No it was me who said it xD Lynch this man. Hey you, I already said I was a townie. You gonna lynch a fellow townie? >_< That seems to be the current theme going around.
So be it.
Say, lynch this man!
On February 12 2008 16:34 Falcynn wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2008 16:33 infinity21 wrote:On February 12 2008 16:19 Dr.Dragoon wrote:On February 12 2008 16:18 infinity21 wrote:On February 12 2008 15:59 Dr.Dragoon wrote:On February 12 2008 15:52 Tracil wrote:
A joke? I'm not just dismissing this as a joke. Let it be an object lesson on why doctoring up stuff like that to try and get other townies lynched is a *scum tactic* and not something a townie should do.
Townies pulling shit like that probably don't want to win and are harmful to the town as a whole. If we let jokes like that slide now, that can give mafioso free licence to make up stuff in the future and then pass it off as just being funny. I'm not prepared to simply let it go, and if you are both townies, then it should be an object lesson as to *why you shouldn't bull stunts like that*.
And what is with this 'be wary of those who lead discussions' crap? If nobody tries to start a discussion or go anywhere, the town as a whole is not going to progress! Trying to dissuade people from talking is kinda suicidal. I didn't see any of that 'be wary', but if you thought that was what I meant, then you are mistaken. I simply meant that you should choose what you say more carefully. No it was me who said it xD Lynch this man. Hey you, I already said I was a townie. You gonna lynch a fellow townie? >_< You could be lieing, I'm not accussing you, just stating that declaring yourself a towny doesn't make you safe.
Of course, but would I go through all the trouble of trying to prove that I'm not a mafia if I were a mafia? Would it be smart to draw unnecessary attention to myself if I didn't want to be suspected of being a mafia? Would drawing attention and participating in discussions freely something a bored townie might do? Stuff to think about. *shrug*
Anyways, I'm a townie and if you don't believe me, you'll find out when you lynch me. I'll be laughing in my grave haha (okay I'll be crying because I'm dead... wait, do dead men cry?)
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On February 12 2008 16:21 Tracil wrote:
Firstly, I don't think we'll lose two townies. I still think one of you is lying.
Go ahead, if shallow is mafia, you win. Otherwise, I just laugh.
Secondly, *if I never try to kill anyone based on the fact that they *might* have a power role of some kind, then I will never be able to support any lynch*.
What I mean is that you should lynch people who are suspected by clues. In day 1, did any part of the passage point to me? There was one that could be pointed to shallow, but it was a stretch.
Thirdly, we *cannot* just wait for more clues. The mafia gets a whole bunch of kills each night. We get hardly any; they *will* kill townies every night and each and every townie they kill might have a power role of some kind. Conversly, lynching has a chance of hitting mafia, one that can be refined with clues and verbal tells. Killing mafia is the only way we can win the game.
You can work out the math if you want. The chances of you picking a mafia member at random are pretty crappy anyways. Even if you do get one, there's no guarantee of a link either.
Fourthly, by accusing people and threatening them with death, I can force them to actually speak, rather than continue to go 'hahaha lulz' and make jokes. They'll have to weigh in seriously on various issues and there'll be no way around that; if they refuse to participate, then they're not trying to win for town.
You'll lynch them anyways.
Point the fifth; if we just sit around and adopt a strategy of 'wait and see', that will allow the mafia to dictate the pace of the game via their own kills. Later in the game, as well, we won't be able to go back and look at discussion that took place near the beginning to see if it has new relevance (e.g. did person x defend person y back then, even though it has now been shown that person y was mafia? were their reasons sound at that time?)
The game is already in the mafia's pace. If I wanted someone to just go around smiting people, I would have voted for FakeSteve. The chances of you finding connected mafia aren't that great either, unless the mafia members play poorly.
I'm tired
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On February 12 2008 16:50 Dr.Dragoon wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2008 16:21 Tracil wrote:
Firstly, I don't think we'll lose two townies. I still think one of you is lying.
Go ahead, if shallow is mafia, you win. Otherwise, I just laugh. Show nested quote +
Secondly, *if I never try to kill anyone based on the fact that they *might* have a power role of some kind, then I will never be able to support any lynch*.
What I mean is that you should lynch people who are suspected by clues. In day 1, did any part of the passage point to me? There was one that could be pointed to shallow, but it was a stretch. Show nested quote +
Thirdly, we *cannot* just wait for more clues. The mafia gets a whole bunch of kills each night. We get hardly any; they *will* kill townies every night and each and every townie they kill might have a power role of some kind. Conversly, lynching has a chance of hitting mafia, one that can be refined with clues and verbal tells. Killing mafia is the only way we can win the game.
You can work out the math if you want. The chances of you picking a mafia member at random are pretty crappy anyways. Even if you do get one, there's no guarantee of a link either. Show nested quote +
Fourthly, by accusing people and threatening them with death, I can force them to actually speak, rather than continue to go 'hahaha lulz' and make jokes. They'll have to weigh in seriously on various issues and there'll be no way around that; if they refuse to participate, then they're not trying to win for town.
You'll lynch them anyways. Show nested quote +
Point the fifth; if we just sit around and adopt a strategy of 'wait and see', that will allow the mafia to dictate the pace of the game via their own kills. Later in the game, as well, we won't be able to go back and look at discussion that took place near the beginning to see if it has new relevance (e.g. did person x defend person y back then, even though it has now been shown that person y was mafia? were their reasons sound at that time?)
The game is already in the mafia's pace. If I wanted someone to just go around smiting people, I would have voted for FakeSteve. The chances of you finding connected mafia aren't that great either, unless the mafia members play poorly. I'm tired
You aren't convincing anybody. Go to sleep, come up with something better when you aren't as tired perhaps.
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Thanks representative of anybody.
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Germany2896 Posts
You can easily see if a png is saved by paint. Normal pngs are much smaller, whereas paint .pngs are about the size of the bitmap.
But faking screenshots using photoshop is stupid, when you can edit the html, which produces perfect screenshots.
When posting screenshots of teamliquid I'd use png, no loss and as TL has large areas of the same color reasonably small.
btw what is dragoons defence? That he did not send the PM or that he was testing shallow?
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