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On February 12 2008 13:01 goldenkrnboi wrote:
so... uh....
aren't we still in the vote for mayor stage? or did that already happen? i'm too lazy to check ><
and my first impulse is to jump on the dragoon bandwagon, mainly cause of the way he's responding to the accusations.
Which part? The goofy start, or how I'm actually seriously denying it now?
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Nice edit, which program did you use?
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On February 12 2008 13:20 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2008 13:19 Dr.Dragoon wrote:On February 12 2008 13:15 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:![[image loading]](http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/3044/truthxv8.jpg) You be the judge. Nice edit, which program did you use? er, paint. isn't that obvious?
I meant to make the fake PM 
Oh, BTW, I thought you always saved in .png
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On February 12 2008 13:23 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:
The "always saved in .png" is such a stupid piece of "evidence", woops I saved in .jpeg just to confuse you!.
Hmm what else? Oh, how about since you PMed me first, why wasn't the PM of me you posted in reply form? So, I'm stupid enough to openly admit I'm mafia after you accuse me of it, but clever enough to find you and PM you in a whole new message?
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On February 12 2008 13:42 Vharox wrote:
Hmmm. Weird lol. I think I may have done the same thing =\
Considering everyone made a big issue about him saving in .png
Ugh... TOO MANY PERSPECTIVES TO THING OF. HOW THE HELL DID L DO IT?!
He didn't. WHOOPS
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Lame poll, even I voted for myself.
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I think the people thinking that I'm actually mafia are quite silly. WHY WOULD I MAKE SUCH A STUPID PM. The PM doesn't even follow the chain of events either. Shallow admits that we had a PM convo, and he sent me a PM FIRST. If I am stupid enough to actually make that PM, why wouldn't I just use the reply function? It's fake.
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I have a legit reason not to vote for you as mayor, right Tracil? 
EDIT: GAAH GROUP B I FORGOT
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Be funny if I get chosen as bodyguard.
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On February 12 2008 14:57 Falcynn wrote:
If you become bodyguard then you'll probably get killed at night. Reason I say this is because if the mayor finds out you're his bodyguard then he'll probably try to defend you from being lynched, and if that happens then the mafia will realize something's up and then kill you.
Exactly what I thought, which is also partly why I think Tracil would make an awful mayor. I was actually setting up the trap to get him with, but you went and brought it up already.
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On February 12 2008 15:03 Tracil wrote:
I would not give away bodyguards were I mayor unless there was no other way to avoid getting them lynched. If they are about to get lynched I would reveal that they are bodyguards and move the lynch elsewhere (since only townies can be bodyguards, they can never be mafia.) Yes, this may incite the mafia to kill them. Better that than wasting a lynch on a confirmed townie.
The point is that you have already stated your moves. You have already told the mafia what you will do. For SMB or FakeSteve, it wouldn't be too surprising if they didn't lynch me. However, you already gave away your intentions, and practically threw away a potential bodyguard as a result.
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On February 12 2008 15:11 Tracil wrote:
Not really; turning around and not lynching you, if you turn out to be a bodyguard, is basically the only option I'd have. The odds of you being picked as bodyguard are likewise slim, so I have no problem stating this upfront.
I also already suspect you anyway and this has been made plainly evident. It would be equally bad of me to get elected mayor and kill someone without hinting at whom I would target beforehand at all.
You don't have to lynch someone right away. Besides, another reason why you would be a bad mayor is that you suspect me so much anyways. The only real evidence is an obviously fake screen by shallow. The format is shady and doesn't follow the chain of events. Not to mention the writing is all off compared to mine. Shallow likes going around and accusing people and making joke accusations. There's also the fact that we haven't always gotten along, which could easily be the reason for him to target me.
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On February 12 2008 15:25 EmeraldSparks wrote:
Barring really, really, really ridiculous circumstances, town always wants to lynch every day. This is really just a fact of mafia.
I'm very aware of that, which is actually why I took the role of an oaf when I was initially accused.
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On February 12 2008 15:27 Falcynn wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2008 15:22 Dr.Dragoon wrote:On February 12 2008 15:11 Tracil wrote:
Not really; turning around and not lynching you, if you turn out to be a bodyguard, is basically the only option I'd have. The odds of you being picked as bodyguard are likewise slim, so I have no problem stating this upfront.
I also already suspect you anyway and this has been made plainly evident. It would be equally bad of me to get elected mayor and kill someone without hinting at whom I would target beforehand at all. You don't have to lynch someone right away. Besides, another reason why you would be a bad mayor is that you suspect me so much anyways. The only real evidence is an obviously fake screen by shallow. The format is shady and doesn't follow the chain of events. Not to mention the writing is all off compared to mine. Shallow likes going around and accusing people and making joke accusations. There's also the fact that we haven't always gotten along, which could easily be the reason for him to target me. It's not really about the PM. It's mostly about your reaction to it and the way you defended yourself that got everyone suspicious.
Really? I figured if I obviously denied it, I would get the same reaction, if not worse. Why would someone not innocent act like a dumbass? I find it rather farfetched to believe someone would make such an obvious mistake in the first place. If I denied it, I would have to keep that position and attitude, and it would be harder for me to place any further doubt past that point.
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On February 12 2008 15:32 Tracil wrote:
I do have the choice on who to lynch today if I'm elected mayor, and I certailny don't plan to lynch nobody. *One* of you and Swallow is clearly lying (you've said it was a fake, so you're denying sending that message, right? Ok.) and it's highly likely one of you two is scum; therefore we should lynch one of you ASAP and then we'll be in a position to make a judgement on the other. As I said before, trading one town for one scum is actually a good deal, as there are far more townies than mafioso.
I'll go through the thread again and check out what both you and Swallow have said; I'd obviously rather hit scum right off the bat, of course.
You went back to Swallow lol. Anyways, I'm pretty sure you're wrong. While I do not know for sure if Shallow is mafia or not, I doubt he is because of the points I responded to earlier in the thread. This may put me in further danger, but that's how I feel. My honest opinion on this is that neither Shallow nor I are mafia. We've had slight drama in the past, which I doubt you've seen. Second, was that this probably started as more of a joke, as can probably be inferred from Shallow's initial accusation in the first place. Of course it escalated, and Shallow doesn't want to back down, so the result is the current situation.
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On February 12 2008 15:33 Falcynn wrote:
Because that's what a mafia would do.
But to be perfectly honest...you were pretty much screwed once shallow posted that picture since anyway you may have reacted could've been interpretted as mafia behaviour...except maybe silence...but that still would've been iffy. Anyways the way shallow presented you in his picture (for the sake of arguement I'll pretend it's fake) and the way you acted afterwards probably made people think that it's very likely you were the same person.
On the other hand if you would've denied it with as much grace and sophistication as is possible on an internet forum...you may have gotten a small chance to get away.
If mafia wins, be sure to blame Shallow once it ends. I think both of us would be strong allies, but he totally screwed us over anyways.
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On February 12 2008 15:52 Tracil wrote:
A joke? I'm not just dismissing this as a joke. Let it be an object lesson on why doctoring up stuff like that to try and get other townies lynched is a *scum tactic* and not something a townie should do.
Townies pulling shit like that probably don't want to win and are harmful to the town as a whole. If we let jokes like that slide now, that can give mafioso free licence to make up stuff in the future and then pass it off as just being funny. I'm not prepared to simply let it go, and if you are both townies, then it should be an object lesson as to *why you shouldn't bull stunts like that*.
And what is with this 'be wary of those who lead discussions' crap? If nobody tries to start a discussion or go anywhere, the town as a whole is not going to progress! Trying to dissuade people from talking is kinda suicidal.
I didn't see any of that 'be wary', but if you thought that was what I meant, then you are mistaken. I simply meant that you should choose what you say more carefully.
I didn't think you would dismiss the topic as a joke, and I don't think anyone will really take it as a lesson if both us get lynched. At the end of the day, it's still a game, and people will do whatever they feel they need to make it more entertaining. It may be true that shallow and I started it, but I highly doubt it'll end with us anyways. Actually, we might not have started it. Just look all over the thread. A prime example is SMB's campaign poster.
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I demand a prize if you're wrong about me L2W! And I don't mean a ban damnit 
Dunno why, something about you saying you're 99% sure I'm mafia just annoyed me. Let's see how big that 1% chance really is
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On February 12 2008 16:05 Tracil wrote:
Well, yes, it's still a game, people will lighten it up and that's all very well. The thing is, there's a stark difference between posting a funny paint image and *shopping up an image in order to portray someone as a member of the mafia.*
As an aside, I'm trying to win this game, so, yeah. I will crack down just as hard on anyone else who comes out with stuff like that without a verrrrry good reason. Don't take it personally or anything.
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Actually, though, mind outlining for me people who you think would make good targets to be lynched today? If we don't kill you or Shallow, who *do* we kill? Mostly directed at Dr. Dragoon, but anyone who thinks the case on him and Shallow is weak and shouldn't be followed should answer this question (and detail your answers, please.)
It's a very complicated situation, one of the reasons why I didn't even attempt to run for mayor in the first place. Your approach to the game has several flaws as it is. You might just be thinking, oh at worst, 2 townies gone, at best a mafia gone. That type of thinking has several problems. One example is if Shallow is actually detective. After I get lynched and you realize I'm innocent, you'll probably lynch him. Shallow is out, detective gone. The cycle can continue, you could lose the paramedic and vigilante, which are both very important roles.
You're rushing to lynch everyone as fast as possible, I wouldn't be surprised if you were mafia. If I were mayor, I'd think a lot more on this, and possibly wait for more clues before taking action.
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On February 12 2008 16:18 infinity21 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 12 2008 15:59 Dr.Dragoon wrote:On February 12 2008 15:52 Tracil wrote:
A joke? I'm not just dismissing this as a joke. Let it be an object lesson on why doctoring up stuff like that to try and get other townies lynched is a *scum tactic* and not something a townie should do.
Townies pulling shit like that probably don't want to win and are harmful to the town as a whole. If we let jokes like that slide now, that can give mafioso free licence to make up stuff in the future and then pass it off as just being funny. I'm not prepared to simply let it go, and if you are both townies, then it should be an object lesson as to *why you shouldn't bull stunts like that*.
And what is with this 'be wary of those who lead discussions' crap? If nobody tries to start a discussion or go anywhere, the town as a whole is not going to progress! Trying to dissuade people from talking is kinda suicidal. I didn't see any of that 'be wary', but if you thought that was what I meant, then you are mistaken. I simply meant that you should choose what you say more carefully. No it was me who said it xD
Lynch this man.
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