Sweet Summer Mafia - Page 79

On June 09 2024 22:24 AlphaZero wrote:
mav what is the liklihood of trfel being mafia in your opinion?

On June 09 2024 22:26 Trfel wrote:
I know self meta is stupid but of all the games for me to be mafia in, why the one where I stopped following my post count limits?

Like if you have an actual reason for me being mafia, other than just because I pushed something opposite to how you view the game, I'm quite curious.

On June 09 2024 22:27 marvellosity wrote:

Low

He just seems incredibly interested and thinking about the game a lot. And from different perspectives too.

If Trfel is mafia he’s pocketed me completely

On June 09 2024 22:28 AlphaZero wrote:


He is not really doing this beyond face value.

He still wanted to lynch kels and save scott, despite good reasons to not want that.

On June 09 2024 22:25 marvellosity wrote:

I don’t know how to answer this without being circular

Could he still hold those reads as town? Yes I think so
Could he be mafia sticking with the same reads? Yes why not

Am I missing something fundamental?

On June 09 2024 22:28 marvellosity wrote:

I just don’t agree.

On June 09 2024 22:28 Trfel wrote:
Oh, sure. I didn't mean to say that it makes scott31337 town, my point is that if you were to construct a town mindset for scott31337's play, sticking to his reads is very natural imo. And thus I don't think it's a good reason to suspect him.

Basically the conclusion is "this argument isn't very good" instead of "this makes scott31337 town."

On June 09 2024 22:29 AlphaZero wrote:


when has he changed anything substantial based on considering another perspective?

On June 09 2024 22:26 AlphaZero wrote:
I don't understand the trfel hard defense of scott at all.

He is not able to get a town read that strong, its really off-putting.

On June 09 2024 22:31 Trfel wrote:
I mean I do feel kinda bad because the dude can't adequately defend himself, which makes me feel like someone ought to?

On June 09 2024 22:28 Trfel wrote:
Oh, sure. I didn't mean to say that it makes scott31337 town, my point is that if you were to construct a town mindset for scott31337's play, sticking to his reads is very natural imo. And thus I don't think it's a good reason to suspect him.

Basically the conclusion is "this argument isn't very good" instead of "this makes scott31337 town."

On June 09 2024 22:38 AlphaZero wrote:



The problem is not that he is making bad arguments that has never been the problem. You guys are fucking reductionist paraphrasing to the point of losing the essence of the original issue.

Then you come up with this nonsense about bad arguments can come from town. No shit.

That is not why he is mafia. He is mafia because he doesn’t show evidence of Thinking and read progression that is essential to find and catch scum in a game of hidden information.

I am going to trust Marv that you are town. But I also think you are being actively harmful to town progress at this point so can you please put as much effort into finding some mafia as you do defending mafia.

On June 09 2024 21:19 marvellosity wrote:
Trfel
AZ
Vivax
Oats
Sand
Mocsta
Scott
DMB
Koshi
Rayn
Slam

Let’s say this is a very rough order because beyond near the top a lot can move about. And it doesn’t even really mean I think slam is most likely to be mafia either. I just didn’t know where else to put him.

Who do you guys reckon I’ve got quite a lot wrong?

On June 09 2024 22:41 AlphaZero wrote:


Koshi too low. Scott and sand too high. You could put Mocsta above oats maybe too

On June 09 2024 22:40 marvellosity wrote:

To paraphrase something I said about my own read on Scott. Are your expectations of him wrong?