Sweet Summer Mafia - Page 148

Trfel

7015 Posts

June 11 2024 06:58 GMT

#2941

If you want to lynch sandroba that's fine I guess, I can't stop you. I don't really think he is mafia but I acknowledge that his lack of activity isn't great and I am not certain he is town. If he flips mafia, then great, if not, I guess we can try and make the most of it.

It looks like the best alternative is raynpelikoneet. I've presented my arguments, I can try and restate them so that they make more sense but I don't think it would make a huge difference. If people don't agree then so be it.

Hopefully I am wrong or we can figure things out later. I don't think there is anything meaningful I can do to try and change the lynch, so unless that changes, I guess I might as well wait and see what happens and then act accordingly.

Mocsta

Australia9388 Posts

June 11 2024 06:59 GMT

#2942

On June 11 2024 15:47 Koshi wrote:

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Unreal.

Ok so mafia is split up.

rayn/Koshi/dmb has 1 or 2
Mocsta/Sandroba has 1 or 2
Slam/Vivax/AZ has 0 or 1

Is that it? And us townies are capable to see 1. And we all have 1 mafia sitting in our ass mretending to be our friend.

It is obvious Tfrel is town
It is obvious Scott is town
It is obvious Oats is town

Those 3 are consensus right? Might want to add Vivax but dmb is still unsure.

what are you saying here.. that you will vote rayn and/or dmb this cycle?

Mocsta

Australia9388 Posts

June 11 2024 07:01 GMT

#2943

On June 11 2024 15:34 Oatsmaster wrote:
Here’s my current situation. I think Sandro is the scummiest person in the game currently. I’m not interested in the construction of the wagons on d2.
To get me to vote for someone that isn’t Sandro, you have to convince me that the person is scummier than Sandro. Not any other way.

you're only saying this because sandroba could be a lynch majority

if someone like scott comes off and its a tie breaker you are in a dilemma.

AlphaZero

Korea (South)759 Posts

June 11 2024 07:01 GMT

#2944

On June 11 2024 15:59 Mocsta wrote:

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what are you saying here.. that you will vote rayn and/or dmb this cycle?

If that is true he should be voting into rayn/dmb not sandro lmao. Nice pickup Moc.

AlphaZero

Korea (South)759 Posts

June 11 2024 07:02 GMT

#2945

I don;t know why on earth people think mocsta is mafia btw.

AlphaZero

Korea (South)759 Posts

June 11 2024 07:03 GMT

#2946

I voted for rayn.

raynpelikoneet

Finland43268 Posts

June 11 2024 07:03 GMT

#2947

Mocsta why am i mafia?

Koshi

Belgium38799 Posts

June 11 2024 07:04 GMT

#2948

On June 11 2024 14:03 AlphaZero wrote:
I think we should lynch Rayn today with dmb a close second.

Ohhhhhhh boiiiiiii

I am getting convinced.

Koshi

Belgium38799 Posts

June 11 2024 07:04 GMT

#2949

On June 11 2024 14:07 AlphaZero wrote:
Half the town is scum siding imo

The entire town. We just have a different scum we slide with.

Koshi

Belgium38799 Posts

June 11 2024 07:08 GMT

#2950

I almost never type in all caps

THANK YOU OATSMASTER FOR EXPLAINIKG EXACTLY WHERE I AM IN THIS GAME IN A CALM AND RESPECTFUL WAY.

AZ, Tfrel and Mocsta should reread or really consider that conversation as a goldmine inside my view on this game. He is almost exactly at the place I am.

Mocsta

Australia9388 Posts

June 11 2024 07:10 GMT

#2951

On June 11 2024 16:08 Koshi wrote:
I almost never type in all caps

THANK YOU OATSMASTER FOR EXPLAINIKG EXACTLY WHERE I AM IN THIS GAME IN A CALM AND RESPECTFUL WAY.

AZ, Tfrel and Mocsta should reread or really consider that conversation as a goldmine inside my view on this game. He is almost exactly at the place I am.

there's that bd energy. Go you

People around me wondering why I'm laughing out loud!

Koshi

Belgium38799 Posts

June 11 2024 07:11 GMT

#2952

On June 11 2024 14:19 Trfel wrote:
Honestly we need to think about possible outs here.

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Looks like Alakaslam isn't playing anymore, unfortunately. This means that unless someone moves their vote from sandroba, sandroba is going to be lynched.

This greatly restricts our lynch options. In fact, I don't think this gives us any alternative lynches at all. I guess our goal therefore has to be to either:
1. convince someone from the sandroba wagon to switch votes
or
2. provide so much evidence that even with mafia getting a (presumably) free mislynch here, they are incriminated allowing us to lynch 3 mafia in a row

Unfortunately it doesn't seem very realistic to win against five mafia :/ ah well.

The townies are in control. You have to trust that.
Youvare town and in control of your teams target.
I am town and I am in control of my teams target. If you dont trust me, Oats is also town and going for sandroba.

In the perfect world. We are both killing the mafia thatvrides our ass.

Koshi

Belgium38799 Posts

June 11 2024 07:12 GMT

#2953

On June 11 2024 16:11 Koshi wrote:

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The other team townies are killing the opposite mafia ass rider is what I mean.

Koshi

Belgium38799 Posts

June 11 2024 07:13 GMT

#2954

So best case it is sandroba that is mafia in townteam tfrel mocsta az Vivax.

And dmb in townteam Oats Koshi

Trfel

7015 Posts

June 11 2024 07:14 GMT

#2955

On June 11 2024 14:11 Oatsmaster wrote:

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On June 11 2024 13:58 Trfel wrote:

On June 11 2024 13:56 Oatsmaster wrote:

On June 11 2024 03:04 Trfel wrote:

On June 11 2024 02:59 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Sandrobas reads do not track. He just took the town consensus scumreads and put them in a list.

That in itself isnt wrong, but he has just talked anout how oats can be scum if rsoultin is scum, then rsoultin (koshi) is scum, but oats is not on the list.

Also case on rsoul being mafia is basically "i cant find reasons for her to be mafia"?????

Middle point is actually very interesting. Good find.

Okay nvm I did think you talked about Sandro more than this post in more specific terms but why is this a good point at the time of the post and no longer a good point?

I looked into this more later, when raynpelikoneet did his whole "best case in the thread" thing, and realized that this argument is based on a misinterpretation of sandroba's post.

On June 11 2024 05:59 Trfel wrote:

Okay, lemme break down the best case in the game.

First point, you even say isn't bad in and of itself.

Second point, I thought made sense, upon rereading sandroba's filter though that's not what he is saying. Sandroba's post #2446 means that he thinks Oatsmaster can't be mafia if rsoultin/Koshi is town. He just said it in a weird way. Then, separately, he thinks Oatsmaster is town. At a glance you can maybe see it as sandroba thinking that if rsoultin/Koshi is mafia, Oatsmaster is mafia, but I really really don't think that is what sandroba is saying.

Third point, huh? My best guess at what you are trying to say is that you are referring to this:

On June 11 2024 00:21 sandroba wrote:

On June 09 2024 17:00 Koshi wrote:
I am 100% convinced you are mafia. But I will lynch you last because your filter is huge.

Sandroba and Mocsta are both mafia and I think we agree on that.

Okay this actually makes me feel a lot better, since I think rsoul is to me much harder to pin down as mafia than Koshi. For Koshi if he is this bad he is mafia and this view makes him mafia 100%. There is absolutely no way Koshi comes in with fresh eyes, reads the same thread as me and comes to this conclusion.

Which isn't just a misinterpretation of sandroba's post but is blatantly ignoring the entire point?

You cannot possibly think this case holds any water whatsoever, much less being the best case in the game?

I really don’t get what the accuracy of the statement has to do with rayns alignment.

I guess I can go back and respond to this. If you don't agree that's fine but I'll try.

It's totally understandable for someone to misinterpret something and make a wrong claim and realize it and retract their claim. This isn't what raynpelikoneet did. When sandroba and I pointed out that he was misreading sandroba's post, instead of changing his view, raynpelikoneet modified his argument. See here:

On June 11 2024 06:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
TLDR;

If sandroba thinks rsoultin is mafia and Oats is town, there is simply no reason to say Oats can be mafia with rsoultin.

Raynpelikoneet's initial argument:
- Sandroba said that if rsoultin/Koshi is mafia, Oatsmaster could be mafia (implying this is more likely). Then, sandroba said he thinks rsoultin/Koshi is mafia, but didn't think Oatsmaster is mafia
Becomes:
- Sandroba said a pointless association read, it's pointless because it only matters if someone is town, and sandroba thinks that person is mafia
The latter isn't wrong, but it's a much weaker argument. However, this change did not affect raynpelikoneet's read on sandroba or his confidence in this case. Town in this spot would re-evaluate given the new information.

Note that raynpelikoneet's third point is literally nonsense. Sandroba said "I have no idea how to read rsoultin so it helps that Koshi replaced in, here are the reasons Koshi is mafia: (reasons)" and took that to mean "Koshi is mafia because I have no idea how to read rsoultin" which is simply not what sandroba said?

The end result is you have a three point case where raynpelikoneet literally said the first point doesn't mean anything on its own, the second point is quite weak, and the third point is objectively not true. But raynpelikoneet still believes it, very strongly, after being shown these things.

Koshi

Belgium38799 Posts

June 11 2024 07:14 GMT

#2956

rayn can you 100% convince me you are town?

At this point I would switch sides.