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JacobStrangelove
Profile Joined August 2012
Australia1572 Posts
March 06 2024 11:54 GMT
#3171
On March 06 2024 20:51 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2024 20:41 JacobStrangelove wrote:
On March 06 2024 19:54 justanothertownie wrote:
On March 06 2024 19:52 CopCake wrote:
On March 06 2024 16:16 JacobStrangelove wrote:
The case for Koshi.

So I just decided to filter Koshi because he seems to be the very town seeming lynch pin holding the somewhat suspicious town group (MZ/CC in the corner together and very first page of his filter he scum slips hard and nobody notices.

On March 05 2024 04:07 Koshi wrote:
On March 05 2024 02:35 marvellosity wrote:
On March 05 2024 02:34 marvellosity wrote:
On March 05 2024 02:34 Vivax wrote:
On March 05 2024 02:34 marvellosity wrote:
I’m currently not looking outside my mason partners for mayor.


Sandro is scummy though

He’s townie.

He has pursued me in the chat in a very townie way.

Also this is dumb. Good info for when you flip town. But now all this is dumb.

Whisperer mafia only need to fight 1 townie. While if he posts in the thread he needs to fight 16.

Mason stuff is useless. Keep it to yourselves.


WHEN MARV FLIPS TOWN HEY? WHEN MARV FLIPS TOWN?? Not if Marv flips town when, how do you know Marv’s alignment huh Koshi?




On March 04 2024 22:17 Koshi wrote:
I wanted to be mafia this game. Or wouldnt have mind.
But town is also fine.

I am going to play normal this game. So I would make a good mayor. Because I will be lock town.


Also this type of post always rubs me the wrong way, Oh I’m not mafia tee hee. No pointless bad. Not even a funny “Oh I’m not mafia” just a generic oh damn guys I’m not mafia oh well straight to asking for Mayor.

On March 05 2024 01:12 Koshi wrote:
On March 05 2024 01:09 iamperfection wrote:
On March 05 2024 01:06 Koshi wrote:
I am gonna battle rayn.

You don't think he is likely town?

I havent read anything yet from before I first posted.
Masoning marv is leaning town.
Marv gets good rep, marv isnt saying rayn is mafia. So probably I will have to battle town rayn.

That's ok.

I will battle him with scumreads.


Also early is convinced Rayn is town lack of doubt here is concerning.


On March 05 2024 04:38 Koshi wrote:
On March 04 2024 12:34 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On March 04 2024 12:31 Trfel wrote:
On March 04 2024 12:28 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On March 04 2024 12:25 Trfel wrote:
[quote]I don't think the second wagon is a "town lynch" at all. In fact there's a decent likelihood that the second wagon would be pushed by mafia, no?

That's assuming the first lynch is scum which D1 imo is a crap shoot, it's just as likely to be town pushed by mafia and the runner up is the scum, hence the double tap. TL towns are like barely 50% for D1 scum lynches iirc.
You're still ignoring the possibility that both are town. My point is, just because "town" votes for something doesn't make it the best play. I'm not saying you have to go for a hero play or something, but just that automatically lynching the top two instead of the top one isn't necessarily a good idea.

If both are town then we'll have played a colossally trash D1 and I wouldn't be trusting my own read anymore than I trust any other individual on D1. There's something to be said for wisdom of the crowds.

Second wagon is often a townie as well. Mafia waits till town suggest a second town wagon and then sits on those 2 wagons. Then town vigis or kills second wagon as is tradition. I still think it is protown to want to give town 2 lynches, as it always provides information. But don't use the wrong reasons.


This is frankly just semantic game state posting. Keep in mind Koshi entered the thread fairly late (simply due to timezones) there’s a lot to go off and this is what the focus is not scum hunting.

On March 05 2024 04:47 Koshi wrote:
I wrote this; decided not to post yet to see follow up
On March 04 2024 12:51 die_meatbaby wrote:
So the game started not even an hour ago and people making here already Townreads. How is this possible. I would never give somebody a townread this early.

And how are we supposed to choose a mayor who should be town so early in the game

Don't like this because it breaks the flow of the recent good posts made by iamps & DP

See this:
On March 04 2024 12:52 iamperfection wrote:
On March 04 2024 12:51 die_meatbaby wrote:
So the game started not even an hour ago and people making here already Townreads. How is this possible. I would never give somebody a townread this early.

And how are we supposed to choose a mayor who should be town so early in the game

upset that town are making town reads?


In addition I like how iamp handled Oats. With humor and progression in reading Oats.
And
I liked how iamp tried to steer away town from retardation around theorycrafting the second wagon.

So iamp lock town till D3


BUT OH BOY WE GOT IAMP RAY AND MARV ALL TOWN LOCKED IN THE FIRST PAGE THIS MAN’S PSYCHIC!


On March 05 2024 05:08 Koshi wrote:
On March 04 2024 13:51 iamperfection wrote:
On March 04 2024 13:49 DarthPunk wrote:
On March 04 2024 13:48 iamperfection wrote:
On March 04 2024 13:46 DarthPunk wrote:
[quote]

Why do you think its a non-post?

because its basically just banter.


Disagree. But DMB looks better since then so I don't really care anymore.

excuse me. What has dmb done better.

You were winning this entire chain till that last line from iamp. Did you answer DP?
And with winning I mean looking pretty townie.


man Dp’s also town everyone is town in Koshi land, Please like me guys I’m calling you all town.

This said I will point out at this point they do go into a scum read on meatbaby for sowing distrust. Then goes in on TTS but I mean kinda everyone did even if TTS is scum I would bus them so hard if I was on a mafia team with them.

On March 05 2024 05:29 Koshi wrote:
On March 04 2024 12:40 Trfel wrote:
On March 04 2024 12:34 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On March 04 2024 12:31 Trfel wrote:
On March 04 2024 12:28 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
[quote]
That's assuming the first lynch is scum which D1 imo is a crap shoot, it's just as likely to be town pushed by mafia and the runner up is the scum, hence the double tap. TL towns are like barely 50% for D1 scum lynches iirc.
You're still ignoring the possibility that both are town. My point is, just because "town" votes for something doesn't make it the best play. I'm not saying you have to go for a hero play or something, but just that automatically lynching the top two instead of the top one isn't necessarily a good idea.

If both are town then we'll have played a colossally trash D1 and I wouldn't be trusting my own read anymore than I trust any other individual on D1. There's something to be said for wisdom of the crowds.
There's almost nothing to be said for wisdom of the crowds, that's the point. It's 16 vs 5, the whole point is that wisdom of the crowds is really ineffective, that's how the game works.

The problem with this entire conversation is that Tfrel looks smart and MZ bad.
But it is the only thing Tfrel does in this entire timespan.
Look smart.
But he isn't doing anything that helps town find mafia.

I don't like it at all.


Then he also thinks Tfrel looks smart but isn’t being helpful. Which isn’t overly suspicious but good to note with the lynch result.

On March 05 2024 23:51 Koshi wrote:
Ok let's shoot hapa with Vivax shot.


I mean not wrong but an easy call to make as mafia if you know they are town.

Okay I’ll be honest I got bored and the case kinda fell off but I see you just entered the thread Koshi.


Mostly I’m concerned with the first part.

On March 05 2024 04:07 Koshi wrote:
On March 05 2024 02:35 marvellosity wrote:
On March 05 2024 02:34 marvellosity wrote:
On March 05 2024 02:34 Vivax wrote:
On March 05 2024 02:34 marvellosity wrote:
I’m currently not looking outside my mason partners for mayor.


Sandro is scummy though

He’s townie.

He has pursued me in the chat in a very townie way.

Also this is dumb. Good info for when you flip town. But now all this is dumb.

Whisperer mafia only need to fight 1 townie. While if he posts in the thread he needs to fight 16.

Mason stuff is useless. Keep it to yourselves.


Scum Slip Koshi? What’s happening here?


I think Koshi meant here that he didnt care for the wishperers/mason chats and he has had Marv as town. So when Marv dies then the whisperers chat will have relevance to him.

It is not a slip.



It definitely isn't. That is a really stupid take tbh.


My take or cops take? Because anyone who can't see my take is instantly more suspicious.

your


Do you also think it's wrong? Like just because it's me posting take a step back, it's the most basic of scum slips it's probably the only solid piece of evidence in the thread?
JacobStrangelove
Profile Joined August 2012
Australia1572 Posts
March 06 2024 12:57 GMT
#3185
On March 06 2024 21:48 justanothertownie wrote:
Rels:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2024 08:53 Rels wrote:
On March 06 2024 08:49 Palmar wrote:
On March 06 2024 08:49 Rels wrote:
On March 06 2024 08:45 DarthPunk wrote:
On March 06 2024 08:38 Rels wrote:
If Palmar was the leading wagon or counterwagon to him at the time, I don't see the issue? I can relate to not having the time



It's a stark difference to his level last game.

He posted a bit at the start of the game, got town read and noped out.

But hey, you can vote Jat with me if you want instead, or propose something else.

Will try to filter JAT before I have to go

I mean you could just go

LOL
I really have a hard time understanding this:
On March 06 2024 08:30 Rels wrote:
"I really, really, really don't think marv just tries to kill me without even talking about it." => then 1 hour later "Wait you still think I'm mafia?"

?????

I don't know if there is any explanation you could give that would satisfy me, but, maybe try?

He seems very very sure about Palmar being mafia. So that is fine as long as the wagon had steam. After it died town we see this:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2024 09:02 Rels wrote:
Finished reading JAT's filter, DP anything what was the thing(s) you saw that was not smart? I thought it was pretty empty for sure, didn't see any red flag though.

Show nested quote +
On March 06 2024 09:08 Rels wrote:
On March 05 2024 20:59 justanothertownie wrote:
Apparently people are dead set on making Vivax mayor. They cannot all be mafia even though I would bet a lot of money that mafia is on board.
The logic apparently being Vivax wouldn't make such a bad play as mafia. The disconnect here is that he did the bad play regardless of his alignment but for some reason only town can be bad in people's minds. I disagree with that but I really don't know what to do about it except for complaining and offering a better alternative which is koshi right now. What am I supposed to do in your opinion, rayn?

Yeah I guess this post from the sandroba case is pretty lackluster

Does not seem very strong either way. So I am not entirely sure how we arrive at this:
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On March 06 2024 09:10 Rels wrote:
Gotta go. I would say out of the options I have, my preference would be Palmar > JAT > random lurker (out of those, I still think TTS has the highest chance of flipping scum)

Still think Trfel is town, I would prefer any random lurker over him

But that is finde. What is not fine is that he isn't bothered at all that he is pushing for the same lynch as his top scumread Palmar. So, do we believe Rels just throws all of his conviction out of the window to vote me with his one scumread based on a townread that is at best "weak"?
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On March 06 2024 08:46 Rels wrote:
On March 05 2024 21:30 Koshi wrote:
On March 05 2024 11:13 sandroba wrote:
On March 05 2024 10:58 DarthPunk wrote:
On March 05 2024 10:54 sandroba wrote:
I feel like it's harder to argue against vivax mayor as mafia. Rels and palmar both entered the thread with that mindset. Pretty much ignored most of what happened for most of the thread but making sure they say what they were supposed to say as town about the vivax claim as soon as possible.
There are obviously town reasons to mayor vivax, but there is some reluctance I expect from townies. I think the over-eagerness to jump on the vivax train right away points to mafia.


Hard disagree. I find people who just accept it for what it is and make the correct play in regards to him is townie.

The scummy thing is talking around in circles about how shit vivax’s claim was, that he might not be town or if he is he is not confirmed

It’s a huge waste of time and shits up the thread and is also incredibly easy content to fake.

I found palmars approach to the situation very townie for example

Are you still lock town on trfel btw?

Didn't see much of people saying he might not be town. Shitting up the thread discussing the claim being bad I agree, CopCake is the main person I saw driving the discussion back to that.
I think saying he is prob town and prob not the best mayor, at least initially is the reaction I would expect from townies. Remember, even though scum might not want something, it's hard to actually push something when you think it would be obvious anti-town. Scum wants to hide and push things in a subtle way.
Not locked town on trfel since he hasn't been very active, but wouldn't lynch him d1 in a million years. What he has posted so far after the initial setup-focused posts looked super townie to me.

I really really really don't see that.
Last game I was so sure he was town.
What is he doing here? Everytime he gets pressured he moves away from it. Slam asks him about Oats. He gives a good answer but it lacks conviction. It looks way more as a mafia seeing Town!Oats be inquisitive than a townie figuring out Town!Oats is inquisitive.
Slam then pressures on and while replying to somebody else he @slam and disengages with him.

This can't be the same Tfrel as last game? You went 4 days with him. Under pressure by marv/DP/rayn iirc. This looks the same to you? I should follow your lead on him but it seems impossible.

The posts that made me think Trfel was townie at the beginning of the game, he showed some conviction:
On March 04 2024 13:19 Trfel wrote:
On March 04 2024 13:11 DarthPunk wrote:
MZ could be mafia here.

That associative push with me/vivax is really out there. And usually I am the one defending him from being misylnched by all the bads.
Sorry I keep doing this, but why do you think that makes Meapak_Ziphh mafia? I don't see why that reasoning is more likely to come from mafia, if anything I think it's the opposite.

On March 04 2024 13:20 Trfel wrote:
I'm actually going to double down and say that I think Meapak_Ziphh is town. Thus, I'm very surprised that he seems to be your top scumread, DarthPunk.

Looking at the Slam question on Oats, it's this right?
On March 05 2024 04:34 Trfel wrote:
On March 05 2024 04:32 Alakaslam wrote:
On March 05 2024 04:29 Trfel wrote:
On March 05 2024 04:24 Rels wrote:
Look at this way of phrasing things, having to come with justification just for his vote

But yes, I am gonna vote my weak scumread because if a wagon starts then I could use the way other players engage with it to start having more reads.

Am I the only one seeing this or what?
Honestly it feels a bit weak to me. But he's posted so little it's just hard to say.

@Alakaslam, that wasn't really how I would characterise Oatsmaster's play, but I suppose it's up to interpretation.

So how do you?

He just asks "why do you say that" and however honest the reply, just says "that makes no sense" unless it's someone he respects.

Partly, I can get that, but have you NEVER seen aggro scum pursue mislynch opportunities?

What about Oatsmaster's play has been different from that?
To me he's actually seemed to care and is involved. He truly seems interested in his approach, even if that approach is a bit different from mine, it makes me think he is trying to figure out the game.

On March 05 2024 04:47 Trfel wrote:
On March 05 2024 04:38 Alakaslam wrote:
On March 05 2024 04:34 Trfel wrote:
On March 05 2024 04:32 Alakaslam wrote:
On March 05 2024 04:29 Trfel wrote:
On March 05 2024 04:24 Rels wrote:
Look at this way of phrasing things, having to come with justification just for his vote

But yes, I am gonna vote my weak scumread because if a wagon starts then I could use the way other players engage with it to start having more reads.

Am I the only one seeing this or what?
Honestly it feels a bit weak to me. But he's posted so little it's just hard to say.

@Alakaslam, that wasn't really how I would characterise Oatsmaster's play, but I suppose it's up to interpretation.

So how do you?

He just asks "why do you say that" and however honest the reply, just says "that makes no sense" unless it's someone he respects.

Partly, I can get that, but have you NEVER seen aggro scum pursue mislynch opportunities?

What about Oatsmaster's play has been different from that?
To me he's actually seemed to care and is involved. He truly seems interested in his approach, even if that approach is a bit different from mine, it makes me think he is trying to figure out the game.

Caring about what exactly?

Because if he cares to find actual scum, this pursuit of perfection doesn't seem to be a surefire way to me.

He was not far from lynching our cop, for example, for being a bit logically inconsistent- in Oatsmaster's mind.

I think Oats may suffer from some difficulty with theory of mind if he is town here, which I could relate to. In which case I would go right back from a growing SR to a TR.
I'm not confident enough in my read to be interested in defending Oatsmaster here, it's just the impression I got from his posts, which could be wrong. I will say though that whether or not his play is helpful doesn't matter as much as whether or not he truly thinks it is helpful.

I guess it's pretty weak conviction yeah. Don't think it's enough by itself to make him scumread him, let alone be my preferred lynch right now.

No issue at all it seems. Leads me to think between Rels and Palmar there is at least 1 mafia.



I will say I am liking these posts from JAT. Still unsure why nobody see's the take on Koshi. Going to bed though maybe in the morning things will be clearer.
JacobStrangelove
Profile Joined August 2012
Australia1572 Posts
March 06 2024 23:09 GMT
#3606
On March 07 2024 03:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
hmm okay he actually went to read dmb's filter.
i retract my analysis and await for Jacob to answer.


Tbh You'll have to bring up which post exactly is the DMB Scum slip post again.

It's probably because I'm a highly empathetic person tbh I try to get in people's heads and understand where they're coming from from what I've seen of DMB it seems in line with their ESL style so it didn't phase me.

(I say not remembering exactly which post they slipped in)

Koshi on the other hand strikes me as someone who wouldn't phrase things "Incorrectly" as town without first clarifying he was doing a "In this senario" style post.

Where as people with higher empathy (generally) women and particualy ESL speakers who have to try and get in people's thoughts constantly, would. Along with the slight barrier with communicating being in someones's head. If that makes sense.


On March 07 2024 04:41 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2024 04:39 CopCake wrote:
On March 07 2024 04:36 marvellosity wrote:
POIDH


Rels is also cute

I feel like we need a girls chat


OMG totally should all make a list of the hottest guys it'll be fun.
JacobStrangelove
Profile Joined August 2012
Australia1572 Posts
March 06 2024 23:11 GMT
#3607
This said I'm more neutral on DMB now. The first day was mostly a meta read vibes based as to why they were town. At this point we have a lynch result so I'm looking forward to them coming up with stuff.
JacobStrangelove
Profile Joined August 2012
Australia1572 Posts
March 06 2024 23:14 GMT
#3608
On March 07 2024 07:56 DarthPunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2024 07:52 Alakaslam wrote:
Fwiw, being social- even online- is good for my position, not bad.

That's why. Yet I am genuinely thankful and haven't forgotten, Jealous.


Who do you want to lynch slam?


Also want this info. You're probably the least safe person tonight and "Practically town until future information" so I want to know what you think.


Also DP, is Ray right about you agreeing with my case being good dumb if you are town? I mean I think I'm brilliant but I also do like Ray and I am curious about your response to it.

JacobStrangelove
Profile Joined August 2012
Australia1572 Posts
March 06 2024 23:30 GMT
#3612
On March 07 2024 08:16 Oatsmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2024 08:09 JacobStrangelove wrote:
On March 07 2024 03:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
hmm okay he actually went to read dmb's filter.
i retract my analysis and await for Jacob to answer.


Tbh You'll have to bring up which post exactly is the DMB Scum slip post again.

It's probably because I'm a highly empathetic person tbh I try to get in people's heads and understand where they're coming from from what I've seen of DMB it seems in line with their ESL style so it didn't phase me.

(I say not remembering exactly which post they slipped in)

Koshi on the other hand strikes me as someone who wouldn't phrase things "Incorrectly" as town without first clarifying he was doing a "In this senario" style post.

Where as people with higher empathy (generally) women and particualy ESL speakers who have to try and get in people's thoughts constantly, would. Along with the slight barrier with communicating being in someones's head. If that makes sense.


On March 07 2024 04:41 marvellosity wrote:
On March 07 2024 04:39 CopCake wrote:
On March 07 2024 04:36 marvellosity wrote:
POIDH


Rels is also cute

I feel like we need a girls chat


OMG totally should all make a list of the hottest guys it'll be fun.

Show nested quote +
On March 06 2024 10:44 die_meatbaby wrote:
On March 06 2024 10:36 DarthPunk wrote:
Especially when she is joining my wagon


I don´t really saw you making a wagon. It´s more like somebody kinda says that that person looks scummy and just tried to push a wagon on it or a lynch or whatever. Does´t really seem like you searching for actual mafia here just for a reasonable town lynch where you can say; before I started the wagon there where other people thinking the same. I was not alone.. blablabla.... Just already disapointed of you in this game. You big filter doesn´t make you direkty activ Town...


Here was the post Jacob. Literally has nothing to do with empathy or whatever


Ahh no I still don't think it's a scum slip.


See here

"I don´t really saw you making a wagon."

From my perspective you aren't making a case

"It´s more like somebody kinda says that that person looks scummy and just tried to push a wagon on it or a lynch or whatever."

You're just saying they look scummy and pushing people to vote for them. *This is where the empathy kicks in, the implication here being that DP is mafia for doing this.

"Does´t really seem like you searching for actual mafia"

You're not looking for mafia you are mafia.

"here just for a reasonable town lynch"

As mafia you're just looking for a town lynch

"where you can say; before I started the wagon there where other people thinking the same. I was not alone.. blablabla.... Just already disapointed of you in this game. You big filter doesn´t make you direkty activ Town..."

Where as Mafia you have safety from a flip.


This is directly different from Koshi's post where it's litterally. "Oh yo when you flip town this will be helpful but it's not right now"




JacobStrangelove
Profile Joined August 2012
Australia1572 Posts
March 07 2024 00:18 GMT
#3629
On March 07 2024 09:15 Oatsmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2024 08:30 JacobStrangelove wrote:
On March 07 2024 08:16 Oatsmaster wrote:
On March 07 2024 08:09 JacobStrangelove wrote:
On March 07 2024 03:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
hmm okay he actually went to read dmb's filter.
i retract my analysis and await for Jacob to answer.


Tbh You'll have to bring up which post exactly is the DMB Scum slip post again.

It's probably because I'm a highly empathetic person tbh I try to get in people's heads and understand where they're coming from from what I've seen of DMB it seems in line with their ESL style so it didn't phase me.

(I say not remembering exactly which post they slipped in)

Koshi on the other hand strikes me as someone who wouldn't phrase things "Incorrectly" as town without first clarifying he was doing a "In this senario" style post.

Where as people with higher empathy (generally) women and particualy ESL speakers who have to try and get in people's thoughts constantly, would. Along with the slight barrier with communicating being in someones's head. If that makes sense.


On March 07 2024 04:41 marvellosity wrote:
On March 07 2024 04:39 CopCake wrote:
On March 07 2024 04:36 marvellosity wrote:
POIDH


Rels is also cute

I feel like we need a girls chat


OMG totally should all make a list of the hottest guys it'll be fun.

On March 06 2024 10:44 die_meatbaby wrote:
On March 06 2024 10:36 DarthPunk wrote:
Especially when she is joining my wagon


I don´t really saw you making a wagon. It´s more like somebody kinda says that that person looks scummy and just tried to push a wagon on it or a lynch or whatever. Does´t really seem like you searching for actual mafia here just for a reasonable town lynch where you can say; before I started the wagon there where other people thinking the same. I was not alone.. blablabla.... Just already disapointed of you in this game. You big filter doesn´t make you direkty activ Town...


Here was the post Jacob. Literally has nothing to do with empathy or whatever


Ahh no I still don't think it's a scum slip.


See here

"I don´t really saw you making a wagon."

From my perspective you aren't making a case

"It´s more like somebody kinda says that that person looks scummy and just tried to push a wagon on it or a lynch or whatever."

You're just saying they look scummy and pushing people to vote for them. *This is where the empathy kicks in, the implication here being that DP is mafia for doing this.

"Does´t really seem like you searching for actual mafia"

You're not looking for mafia you are mafia.

"here just for a reasonable town lynch"

As mafia you're just looking for a town lynch

"where you can say; before I started the wagon there where other people thinking the same. I was not alone.. blablabla.... Just already disapointed of you in this game. You big filter doesn´t make you direkty activ Town..."

Where as Mafia you have safety from a flip.


This is directly different from Koshi's post where it's litterally. "Oh yo when you flip town this will be helpful but it's not right now"

Koshi is obviously talking about the scenario which marv flips town. Like when that happens. Not that it will happen….

Okay we can agree to disagree about the wording whatever however she’s literally voting for the person that DP is on at this time which she literally does not care about


Look the second part I also disagree with, if she doesn't vote one of the top two lynches it's a wasted vote, like the three people who basically avoided the lynch entirely if she does she's gotta pick one of the two options. You've put them in a catch-22 scenario here where there's no winning. She either votes the lesser of the two evils and is scummy or votes for neither and is scummy.


JacobStrangelove
Profile Joined August 2012
Australia1572 Posts
March 07 2024 01:23 GMT
#3667
On March 07 2024 10:12 Vivax wrote:
TTS not voting is sorta townie. He might get modkilled.
Vigging copcake might be better.

If Slam is town he dies here I guess. Readslist ?


You know kinda agree. Would almost prefer a vig shot to tell us something wild a vig shot on TTS is safe but it doesn't really tell us anyone's alignment.
JacobStrangelove
Profile Joined August 2012
Australia1572 Posts
March 07 2024 01:24 GMT
#3668
On March 07 2024 10:21 DarthPunk wrote:
As for the mayor stuff, I would never 'run' for mayor unless I got two votes. I find the whole thing tacky honestly.

I don't tend to die early that often, because people always call me scummy as either alignment cause my play is balanced and I don't really have meta tells.

It's odd to me that both you and cake got hung up on me not running for mayor, having never played in a game with me as mayor, so therefore the assumption that I would run for mayor and not running is scummy is just weird.

Like why is marv not scummy for not wanting to run for mayor for example. Why have you not tried to find a game in which I ran or mayor.

I like to move my vote around to pressure people, the vote on rayn was my way of telling him to fuck off basically. That should be obvious.


Hmm idk there's a lot of you dying night one in your recent town games. Although a fair few of you surviving too. Not quite 50/50 but a high enough percentage to debate that.
JacobStrangelove
Profile Joined August 2012
Australia1572 Posts
March 07 2024 01:24 GMT
#3670
Just going off your profile that is.
JacobStrangelove
Profile Joined August 2012
Australia1572 Posts
March 07 2024 01:28 GMT
#3676
On March 07 2024 10:25 DarthPunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2024 10:24 JacobStrangelove wrote:
On March 07 2024 10:21 DarthPunk wrote:
As for the mayor stuff, I would never 'run' for mayor unless I got two votes. I find the whole thing tacky honestly.

I don't tend to die early that often, because people always call me scummy as either alignment cause my play is balanced and I don't really have meta tells.

It's odd to me that both you and cake got hung up on me not running for mayor, having never played in a game with me as mayor, so therefore the assumption that I would run for mayor and not running is scummy is just weird.

Like why is marv not scummy for not wanting to run for mayor for example. Why have you not tried to find a game in which I ran or mayor.

I like to move my vote around to pressure people, the vote on rayn was my way of telling him to fuck off basically. That should be obvious.


Hmm idk there's a lot of you dying night one in your recent town games. Although a fair few of you surviving too. Not quite 50/50 but a high enough percentage to debate that.


I died night one 1 time in four games 3 times I went to endgame or close enough.



Persona 4 Mini Mafia Town Vanilla Killed Night 0

Witchcraft Mini Mafia Town Vanilla Killed Night 1


Avogadros Number Mini Mafia Town Named VT Killed Night 1

Imperial Mafia Town Vanilla Killed Night 4

TL Endures Mafia Town Vanilla Killed Night 4
Quarterly Mafia Town Vanilla Survived
Winter Warfare Mafia Town Doctor Killed night 1

Taking out the games where you were mafia or neutral and going by recent we get night 0 night 1 night 1 44 survive n1

But anyway don't think it'll mater this game
JacobStrangelove
Profile Joined August 2012
Australia1572 Posts
March 07 2024 01:28 GMT
#3677
On March 07 2024 10:27 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2024 10:23 JacobStrangelove wrote:
On March 07 2024 10:12 Vivax wrote:
TTS not voting is sorta townie. He might get modkilled.
Vigging copcake might be better.

If Slam is town he dies here I guess. Readslist ?


You know kinda agree. Would almost prefer a vig shot to tell us something wild a vig shot on TTS is safe but it doesn't really tell us anyone's alignment.


DP calling for a vig on TTS makes me paranoid about DP tbh. Also that he softened up my push on Jealous.

There‘s nothing townie about cop‘s reads. Nothing.
I operate under the assumption she wants to be recruited by mafia to have a chance at the wincon.




oooh that's a good point could be traitor I forgot about that.
JacobStrangelove
Profile Joined August 2012
Australia1572 Posts
March 07 2024 01:29 GMT
#3678
On March 07 2024 10:27 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2024 10:23 JacobStrangelove wrote:
On March 07 2024 10:12 Vivax wrote:
TTS not voting is sorta townie. He might get modkilled.
Vigging copcake might be better.

If Slam is town he dies here I guess. Readslist ?


You know kinda agree. Would almost prefer a vig shot to tell us something wild a vig shot on TTS is safe but it doesn't really tell us anyone's alignment.


DP calling for a vig on TTS makes me paranoid about DP tbh. Also that he softened up my push on Jealous.

There‘s nothing townie about cop‘s reads. Nothing.
I operate under the assumption she wants to be recruited by mafia to have a chance at the wincon.


apart from yourself and slam who's the most town to you right now?
JacobStrangelove
Profile Joined August 2012
Australia1572 Posts
March 07 2024 01:32 GMT
#3683
On March 07 2024 10:30 DarthPunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2024 10:28 JacobStrangelove wrote:
On March 07 2024 10:25 DarthPunk wrote:
On March 07 2024 10:24 JacobStrangelove wrote:
On March 07 2024 10:21 DarthPunk wrote:
As for the mayor stuff, I would never 'run' for mayor unless I got two votes. I find the whole thing tacky honestly.

I don't tend to die early that often, because people always call me scummy as either alignment cause my play is balanced and I don't really have meta tells.

It's odd to me that both you and cake got hung up on me not running for mayor, having never played in a game with me as mayor, so therefore the assumption that I would run for mayor and not running is scummy is just weird.

Like why is marv not scummy for not wanting to run for mayor for example. Why have you not tried to find a game in which I ran or mayor.

I like to move my vote around to pressure people, the vote on rayn was my way of telling him to fuck off basically. That should be obvious.


Hmm idk there's a lot of you dying night one in your recent town games. Although a fair few of you surviving too. Not quite 50/50 but a high enough percentage to debate that.


I died night one 1 time in four games 3 times I went to endgame or close enough.



Persona 4 Mini Mafia Town Vanilla Killed Night 0

Witchcraft Mini Mafia Town Vanilla Killed Night 1


Avogadros Number Mini Mafia Town Named VT Killed Night 1

Imperial Mafia Town Vanilla Killed Night 4

TL Endures Mafia Town Vanilla Killed Night 4
Quarterly Mafia Town Vanilla Survived
Winter Warfare Mafia Town Doctor Killed night 1

Taking out the games where you were mafia or neutral and going by recent we get night 0 night 1 night 1 44 survive n1

But anyway don't think it'll mater this game


I’m talking about the recent games only why do games from 10 years ago count.



Well I assume the list is in order and you aren't playing in newbie gams recently.... Although I don't know how old those games are to be fair.
JacobStrangelove
Profile Joined August 2012
Australia1572 Posts
March 07 2024 01:35 GMT
#3685
Ahh aight. well lets move past this it's pointless anyway and not productive (as the person who brought it up)
JacobStrangelove
Profile Joined August 2012
Australia1572 Posts
March 07 2024 01:37 GMT
#3687
On March 07 2024 10:35 DarthPunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2024 10:35 JacobStrangelove wrote:
Ahh aight. well lets move past this it's pointless anyway and not productive (as the person who brought it up)

You keep doing shit like that jakey 🚩



Fair fair. Same question I had of vivax actually who's your biggest town read right now?
JacobStrangelove
Profile Joined August 2012
Australia1572 Posts
March 07 2024 01:43 GMT
#3696
On March 07 2024 10:41 DarthPunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2024 10:40 die_meatbaby wrote:
On March 07 2024 10:35 JacobStrangelove wrote:
Ahh aight. well lets move past this it's pointless anyway and not productive (as the person who brought it up)

Thanks anyway for your short help. Dp is just really exhausting for me and discussing with the priest alone is just too nerve-wracking for me in the long run. But it's my biggest scum read at the moment and I have to try anyway and hopefully other players will see the same thing


Why am I exhausting when we have barely interacted?



To be fair I just look at your 27 page filter and feel myself falling asleep. You do have the power to argue people into tiredness as either alightment (although moreso as town)
JacobStrangelove
Profile Joined August 2012
Australia1572 Posts
March 07 2024 01:45 GMT
#3698
On March 07 2024 10:42 Jealous wrote:

Show nested quote +
On March 07 2024 10:11 die_meatbaby wrote:
Thats the only Post I like. He should play a little bit and then we lynch Ve because thats a vote for active Town

Please clarify your logic here, too.



Actually this looks like a scum slip out of context ngl Unless it was a joke....


Also don't forget I also wanted to be mayor but nobody took me seriously
JacobStrangelove
Profile Joined August 2012
Australia1572 Posts
March 07 2024 01:53 GMT
#3701
No I get why not lynching VE early I think everyone gets that, why do you then later say to lynch town VE later?
JacobStrangelove
Profile Joined August 2012
Australia1572 Posts
March 07 2024 01:58 GMT
#3705
On March 07 2024 10:56 die_meatbaby wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2024 10:53 JacobStrangelove wrote:
No I get why not lynching VE early I think everyone gets that, why do you then later say to lynch town VE later?


I don´t need do quote Ve or do I?
His hole filter looks scummy, but to be fear he always do




Okay let me break it down, You said don't lynch VE early.

This makes sense.


you then say lynch TOWN VE later.

??? why would we lynch town ve later?

Lynching SCUM VE would make sense.

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