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On March 06 2024 08:34 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 08:32 JacobStrangelove wrote:
Trifle has gotten 4 votes in 5 minutes. and most of those who were on JAT were on Triffle before. Interesting I'm curious how this will look post lynch. Trifle wagon is easier, and his play is scummy. nothing more to it IMO. Mafia are probably bussing or absent at this point, going against these pushes would stand out like a sore thumb.
Hmm that's the optimistic outlook. Eitherway glad we did all this vote switching. Should be helpful day 2
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On March 06 2024 08:43 Palmar wrote:
This is just random and for post-game purposes.
We actually have like 4 objectively correct lynches (that is correct from a "how to play mafia" perspective).
1) Vivax - All day 1 claimers should be policy lynched without question
2) TTS - Complete inactivity
3) Hapa - replacement and demotivation is something that happens much more often as mafia
4) Trfel - He literally is voting without having any clue why
But for various reasons I'm not really pushing any of those lynches. Guess I'm bad.
Technically 5 with The slam claim but somehow we're all collectively forgetting it happened at seperate times.
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On March 06 2024 09:32 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 09:03 DarthPunk wrote:On March 05 2024 23:12 sandroba wrote:On March 05 2024 21:30 Koshi wrote:On March 05 2024 11:13 sandroba wrote:On March 05 2024 10:58 DarthPunk wrote:On March 05 2024 10:54 sandroba wrote:
I feel like it's harder to argue against vivax mayor as mafia. Rels and palmar both entered the thread with that mindset. Pretty much ignored most of what happened for most of the thread but making sure they say what they were supposed to say as town about the vivax claim as soon as possible.
There are obviously town reasons to mayor vivax, but there is some reluctance I expect from townies. I think the over-eagerness to jump on the vivax train right away points to mafia. Hard disagree. I find people who just accept it for what it is and make the correct play in regards to him is townie. The scummy thing is talking around in circles about how shit vivax’s claim was, that he might not be town or if he is he is not confirmed It’s a huge waste of time and shits up the thread and is also incredibly easy content to fake. I found palmars approach to the situation very townie for example Are you still lock town on trfel btw? Didn't see much of people saying he might not be town. Shitting up the thread discussing the claim being bad I agree, CopCake is the main person I saw driving the discussion back to that. I think saying he is prob town and prob not the best mayor, at least initially is the reaction I would expect from townies. Remember, even though scum might not want something, it's hard to actually push something when you think it would be obvious anti-town. Scum wants to hide and push things in a subtle way. Not locked town on trfel since he hasn't been very active, but wouldn't lynch him d1 in a million years. What he has posted so far after the initial setup-focused posts looked super townie to me. I really really really don't see that. Last game I was so sure he was town. What is he doing here? Everytime he gets pressured he moves away from it. Slam asks him about Oats. He gives a good answer but it lacks conviction. It looks way more as a mafia seeing Town!Oats be inquisitive than a townie figuring out Town!Oats is inquisitive. Slam then pressures on and while replying to somebody else he @slam and disengages with him. This can't be the same Tfrel as last game? You went 4 days with him. Under pressure by marv/DP/rayn iirc. This looks the same to you? I should follow your lead on him but it seems impossible. I disagree. Trfel last game was pretty similar to this, he did some burst of activity then vanished for a while. I was suspicious of him all the way through d1/n1 because of the structuring of his posts and they style of his activity. He was not a high volume poster and conviction was not his forte. He basically had the game figured out d3 but wasn't pushing any of it. It took me some deep diving to actually identify he was correct on everything. I think it's stupid to look into him as the quality of what he has posted has been very good so far. If he is mafia it will be hard for him to keep up as the game progresses and he has to justify hard positions and keep up appearances. My current suspect list is palmar/jat/rels, rels being the one I feel less strongly about. Palmar looks more and more tame and awful every time he posts. JAT: catches up to the thread but basically only ever comments on Koshi related stuff. A lot of his commentary is meaningless and his questions are not sharp. He apparently wants Koshi for mayor, but this is not a real position since koshi himself wants vivax and it doesn't seem like jat really wants it or thinks it's a realistic thing that will happen. It just fills up space and buddies up to koshi. On March 05 2024 20:59 justanothertownie wrote:
Apparently people are dead set on making Vivax mayor. They cannot all be mafia even though I would bet a lot of money that mafia is on board.
The logic apparently being Vivax wouldn't make such a bad play as mafia. The disconnect here is that he did the bad play regardless of his alignment but for some reason only town can be bad in people's minds. I disagree with that but I really don't know what to do about it except for complaining and offering a better alternative which is koshi right now. What am I supposed to do in your opinion, rayn? The above post is complacent and disinterested. The reasoning for Vivax possibly being mafia is very shallow analysis and very lazily written, not trying to convince anyone. JAT is solely focused on this mayor thing, he is not very involved and he is making no effort to actually find anyone that is suspicious. He is sticking to easy topics and being lazy in his comments. Even the mayor thing he doesn't care enough about to make any real contributions. He cares about nothing, yet he is still posting here pretending to engage. JAT is mafia. I mean, this is a great post by sandroba, and an example for why I have them as one of my top town reads. I see what they're saying. I just still struggle to see JAT fighting so hard against a Vivax mayor campaign for so long because it looks so bad. Does the scum team not try to stop him and say "hey, this isn't really a good idea and looks bad?" Does JAT just ignore his scum team and go rogue? It just doesn't seem like it makes sense, and I know that they've played a lot of games... Does a veteran player really do all that, knowing the attention it will bring to their position? So, for now, going to ##Vote: Trfel and revisit Alakaslam to see exactly when and where they cop-claimed.
See I feel that scum are more likely to feel backed into their reads/decisions. "I can't stop being subborn now it'll look suspicious" "Maybe if I ride it out it'll be wifom or so scummy it's not"
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On March 06 2024 10:39 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 10:34 DarthPunk wrote:On March 06 2024 10:26 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 06 2024 10:03 iamperfection wrote:On March 06 2024 10:00 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 06 2024 01:19 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 06 2024 01:16 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 06 2024 01:05 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 05 2024 20:02 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 05 2024 19:41 Palmar wrote:
So I'm going to talk about a few people now. Consider this just rambling thoughts about the thread that I'm absolutely not going to read in full. Probably gonna do this in a few parts so my reads might evolve from now until I've done the last people I want to talk about.
Oatsmaster
Both initially, and currently, the reason he's my tentative #1 lynch target is based on exactly one thing, this:
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Go find that post in his filter, then read the following maybe... 20 posts? I don't think there is a single one of them where he is actually pushing to get himself elected as mayor. Ironically he scolded someone else for doing that same thing.
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There really isn't much else to it. The case is simply "He said he wanted to be mayor but then none of his posting seems to point towards him actually wanting to be mayor".
It's far from lock scum case, it's mostly just a bad play regardless of alignment, but it's... maybe easier to explain as an attempt to do something bold as mafia. I'm gonna read more before I plant a vote or anything.
VisceraEyes
Part of me just wants him to be town because I'm happy VE is playing, so I admit it may be an overreaching town read.
But it's mostly a tone read. He seems to be happy to be playing the game. He said he wanted mayor and actually made a few follow up posts complaining no one was voting for him.
Also this isn't even alignment indicative but it's super good.
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I have zero interest in lynching VE today.
DMB
So I haven't really read anything of hers but I just wanted to make this point.
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She confuses me so much. I make something that's an obvious joke, and she jumps on it? Why? My gut is "well that's stupid and townies do stupid shit". But my meta is that she's perfectly willing to do stupid shit as mafia from last game.
She does get townie points for completely forgetting I exist in her list post though.
But yeah, I don't actually have a read on her, it's just something I noticed.
Sorry for not having you in my list post. You had like one page on you Filter. You came in the game after like 60 Pages or something. You posted some good one liners that i actually liked. Especially that one that either people should vote Vivax for mayjor or for lynch. That one made think a litte bit about the other players here. I understand that people think the claim is a scum move but why do they not lynch him when they are not voting him as mayjor either?Still it was to less posting from you to make any kind of opinions on your aligment. I can just say I was not suspicious about your few posts just kinda liked them. Atm you are more likely Town for me, but beware, this can change quickly  Out of all the posts in the past like 12 hours DMB chooses this one to respond to, fence sits and doesn’t apply any of the bolded section to her list post earlier so where does that thinking even come out? Normaly i have day off, but somebody is sick and I had to come in fast. Didn't have much time to read. Btw list Was requested by rels. No answer from him atm So what have you learned from the bolded section? I have already used a translator 3 times, which means I have learnt 3 new words in English But for real I think the lynch is goeing in a wrong direction so what are you going to do? I don´t know, but I will not vote for Trfl right now. I don´t see any majorly scum shit at his filter. He plays like in the last game and he was actually doeing amzing as Town last game. So I would not like to loss him if he is Town. Actually I would like to vote on DP because he seems more scummy for me in this game, but that would be a usless vote... Vote: Justanothertownie Kind of confused why you think I am scummy ? your vote changes trigger me hard. You did it more often than usual. But don´t take it personal, after lynch one I will go intense here. I am just used do it that the first lynch is anways wrong but that will help me to find out about your true aligment.
Naw I'm all in on the vote changes. We both did it last game as town together I agree it spices things up for mafia and keeps them on their toes.
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On March 06 2024 10:48 Oatsmaster wrote:
##unvote
##vote dmb
While he has been on DMB all game unvoting JAT now when it's getting close to possible they may get last minute switch votes for a vote that's def not going to happen would lead slight credence to IF one flips scum the other also being scum tbh.
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Yeah I don't see that either, she's saying
"I think DP is mafia looking for a reasonable looking town lynch" and it would be town to DP if DP Mafia.
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On March 06 2024 10:53 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 10:51 DarthPunk wrote:On March 06 2024 10:50 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 06 2024 10:49 DarthPunk wrote:On March 06 2024 10:48 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 06 2024 10:44 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 06 2024 10:36 DarthPunk wrote:Especially when she is joining my wagon  I don´t really saw you making a wagon. It´s more like somebody kinda says that that person looks scummy and just tried to push a wagon on it or a lynch or whatever. Does´t really seem like you searching for actual mafia here just for a reasonable town lynch where you can say; before I started the wagon there where other people thinking the same. I was not alone.. blablabla.... Just already disapointed of you in this game. You big filter doesn´t make you direkty activ Town... This is a scumslip I don't see it. Reasonable town lynch ie jat is town Is that a stretch though, could be ESL What’s the difficulty? She’s callling the lynch town AND shes on it
Oh not a word slip a motive slip.
Hmm it's I guess kinda a slip in that sense, I think DP scum doing random stuff trying to vote for a town but I'll also vote for one of the two people DP pushed.
I forget her motivation for voting was it better of the two (bad) options in her opinion or was there something else?
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On March 06 2024 10:57 JacobStrangelove wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 10:53 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 06 2024 10:51 DarthPunk wrote:On March 06 2024 10:50 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 06 2024 10:49 DarthPunk wrote:On March 06 2024 10:48 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 06 2024 10:44 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 06 2024 10:36 DarthPunk wrote:Especially when she is joining my wagon I don´t really saw you making a wagon. It´s more like somebody kinda says that that person looks scummy and just tried to push a wagon on it or a lynch or whatever. Does´t really seem like you searching for actual mafia here just for a reasonable town lynch where you can say; before I started the wagon there where other people thinking the same. I was not alone.. blablabla.... Just already disapointed of you in this game. You big filter doesn´t make you direkty activ Town... This is a scumslip I don't see it. Reasonable town lynch ie jat is town Is that a stretch though, could be ESL What’s the difficulty? She’s callling the lynch town AND shes on it Oh not a word slip a motive slip. Hmm it's I guess kinda a slip in that sense, I think DP scum doing random stuff trying to vote for a town but I'll also vote for one of the two people DP pushed. I forget her motivation for voting was it better of the two (bad) options in her opinion or was there something else?
There should have been quotes there for a "From DMB perspective" I don't think dp is scum ftr
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On March 06 2024 10:59 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 10:53 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 06 2024 10:51 DarthPunk wrote:On March 06 2024 10:50 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 06 2024 10:49 DarthPunk wrote:On March 06 2024 10:48 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 06 2024 10:44 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 06 2024 10:36 DarthPunk wrote:Especially when she is joining my wagon I don´t really saw you making a wagon. It´s more like somebody kinda says that that person looks scummy and just tried to push a wagon on it or a lynch or whatever. Does´t really seem like you searching for actual mafia here just for a reasonable town lynch where you can say; before I started the wagon there where other people thinking the same. I was not alone.. blablabla.... Just already disapointed of you in this game. You big filter doesn´t make you direkty activ Town... This is a scumslip I don't see it. Reasonable town lynch ie jat is town Is that a stretch though, could be ESL What’s the difficulty? She’s callling the lynch town AND shes on it Can you read? I didn´t say JAT is Town i just said I am not happy with both wagons. Should I waste my vote. Did it in my first game. OPEN YOU EYES AND READ CORRECTLY PLS
To be fair at least he's consistant with the reading part.
Also man there's another hour to go I thought it was lynch time makes slightly more sense why oats is changing vote last minute.
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On March 06 2024 11:00 sandroba wrote:
oats is very townie imo
Weirdly I'm actually reading him more townie based on his activity this late in a sense, with the side plate of maybe he's active because JAT is his scum buddy he was fake bussing and now he needs a reason to come off it/possible. The drive to solve the game and change stuff this late is good though.
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On March 06 2024 11:05 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 10:56 Jealous wrote:
^ Fixing:
Town:
Koshi (previously scum voted)*
Iamperfection
Rayn
Palmar
NA:
DarthPunk
sandroba
Trfel
marvellosity
Jealous
Meapak_Ziphh
Hapahauli
ToTheStars
Rels
Alakaslam
Scum:
VE
Jacob
DMB
CopCake
Slam
Vivax
JAT
Koshi*
Also: "I do agree that either both [rayn and marv] are mafia or rayn is town."
Explanations on the additions to your scum list? Also vote dmb
I think that's his read of your scum list. Jealous is so good at list posting his posting your list post for you.
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On March 06 2024 11:16 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 11:15 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 06 2024 11:11 Vivax wrote:
Trfel is the scum roleblocker and sandro and Oats want to save him by bussing DMB.
That‘s what it feels like. Uhh I found a person with a bit of brain  I already thougt here was a zombieattack Bussing means your team is trying to kill you btw.
Specifically the mafia team, Town tries to kill me all the time....
Reading DMB's filter again.
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Okay I re-read dmb and am still coming up with town I just don't see personally how one would fake the kind of behaviour I'm seeing. Extremely helpful with vivax claim not a second of doubt which sure could be sucking up to the person in the same place as them but at the same time just everything they've wrote seems town like, lots of joy etc, paranoia about being lynched but in a town way imo. There's no bad cases on people that I would be expecting from Mafia DMB and it's weirdly mostly vibes but I've had good vibes most of the game about them.
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On March 06 2024 11:28 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 11:27 JacobStrangelove wrote:
Okay I re-read dmb and am still coming up with town I just don't see personally how one would fake the kind of behaviour I'm seeing. Extremely helpful with vivax claim not a second of doubt which sure could be sucking up to the person in the same place as them but at the same time just everything they've wrote seems town like, lots of joy etc, paranoia about being lynched but in a town way imo. There's no bad cases on people that I would be expecting from Mafia DMB and it's weirdly mostly vibes but I've had good vibes most of the game about them. There are no cases on any people. Take out the meta, what do you see
Actually that is kinda fair, but from first post they've kinda consisntantly been depressed about day one lynch chances which while not helpful is kinda true.
Also re out of game stuff like mental health I always take it as a, it's probably there, but bringing it up isn't alighnment indicative.
Could be a cop out from mafia while also partually being true or could simply be an appology as town.
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On March 06 2024 11:33 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 11:32 Vivax wrote:On March 06 2024 11:25 Trfel wrote:
Yeah sorry, been dealing with some mental health issues, combined with being horrendous on day 1, has made it hard to find mafia or be very effective.
I think raynpelikoneet's play was very solid early on, he feels much more genuine than last game. It feels like he really cares about what he's doing. So I think he is town, same with marvellosity and sandroba by association. I would be very hesitant about suspecting these three. Kinda think DarthPunk is town as well, but I could be wrong.
I don't have any great scumreads unfortunately, or I would have shared them. I still don't like the way iamperfection was playing but I have vague memories of that just being his playstyle so I could be wrong.
Not sure what Vivax is doing with his "reasons" to suspect me. There are reasons I could be mafia, he managed to not find them but is very passionate about it anyway. I don't know if that means anything though. Sorry about the issues. But it is, objectively, a kinda scummy post. I'm getting lynched, that's fine. I just am trying to share what I can first. Unfortunately that isn't much, but I figure it's better than nothing Also Meapak_Ziphh is likely town, lynch with hesitance.
any thoughts on me just out of curiosity?
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On March 06 2024 11:36 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 11:32 Trfel wrote:
Why is die_meatbaby mafia? I really didn't think she was suspicious at all, she seemed far more reasonable than last game. Would be very hesitant to suspect her.
May actually be worth taking another look at Vivax because he should know this. Why would mafia trfel be undermining a counter wagon here?
This is good point, but the trifle turning around and saying vivax is scummy seems out of pocket. But almost too out of pocket to be a mafia play surely they would know that vivax practically can't be mafia.
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On March 06 2024 11:39 JacobStrangelove wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 11:36 DarthPunk wrote:On March 06 2024 11:32 Trfel wrote:
Why is die_meatbaby mafia? I really didn't think she was suspicious at all, she seemed far more reasonable than last game. Would be very hesitant to suspect her.
May actually be worth taking another look at Vivax because he should know this. Why would mafia trfel be undermining a counter wagon here? This is good point, but the trifle turning around and saying vivax is scummy seems out of pocket. But almost too out of pocket to be a mafia play surely they would know that vivax practically can't be mafia.
This said desperation is the daughter of invevitability or something.
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On March 06 2024 11:41 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 11:40 Jealous wrote:On March 06 2024 11:37 Trfel wrote:On March 06 2024 11:36 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 06 2024 11:35 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 06 2024 11:32 Trfel wrote:
Why is die_meatbaby mafia? I really didn't think she was suspicious at all, she seemed far more reasonable than last game. Would be very hesitant to suspect her.
May actually be worth taking another look at Vivax because he should know this. I called dp mafia... I was to lazy to quote and stuff and two sentences wasn´t enough for oats and Dp. I am not happy with both wagons (both pushed by dp) and I still voted one of the two wagons But I shouldn´t because not wasting my vote makes me scummy. and i my called people stupid that makes me more scummy Would like to hear from other people's perspectives but this really really REALLY does not sound like mafia. Look at Vivax/iamperfection, that's the best I have. With Vivax claiming JK on D1 with no counter-claim, what percentage chance is there that scum!Vivax actually does that and gets away with it? If I understood the premise correctly, I expect it to be about 0%. Am I missing something? Bro if this gets brought up again at EoD I‘m gouging my eyes out (not really)
Bro.... I just had a thought, like that vivax dude? Totally Mafia dawg, made the big brain uncc'd jailer claim day 1
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On March 06 2024 11:43 DarthPunk wrote:
Why does DMB not post reads.
The last time she was up for lynch as town she spewed town hard.
This is actually counter meta I would have expected a big list post of reads but that's more under threat of actually dying... could be lazy town could be mafia.
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On March 06 2024 11:46 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 11:44 Alakaslam wrote:On March 06 2024 11:43 DarthPunk wrote:
Why does DMB not post reads.
The last time she was up for lynch as town she spewed town hard. Anger, different more ... Arrogant, playerbase She and vivax hate hubris. ahh thats why we both don´t like Palmar
Oooft.
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