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DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
March 20 2024 22:57 GMT
#10841
Like dmb could not be any more obviously mafia than she is right now.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
die_meatbaby
Profile Joined May 2023
Colombia1344 Posts
March 20 2024 22:57 GMT
#10842
On March 21 2024 07:53 justanothertownie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2024 07:48 die_meatbaby wrote:
On March 21 2024 07:44 Jealous wrote:
On March 21 2024 07:41 justanothertownie wrote:
On March 21 2024 07:34 Jealous wrote:
On March 21 2024 07:19 justanothertownie wrote:
On March 21 2024 07:15 Jealous wrote:
On March 21 2024 06:57 justanothertownie wrote:
On March 21 2024 06:54 DarthPunk wrote:
On March 21 2024 06:50 justanothertownie wrote:
I mean, the iamp dp idea is frightening but I don't think that is very likely.

Part of me just Thinks jealous is trying to derail his partners wagon here.

It’s weird how he kind of called dmb town.

Yeah, I am also not sure that thought progress makes sense to me.
The whole premise of "people who hammer need to mafia" is quite questionable. As are all conclusions drawn from it.

Also, I mean, does this movement from town make sense to you?

[image loading]


In theory it could be three scum just eating popcorn, but that would then have to be (assuming you are town) DMB, Rels, and MZ. Does that team sound plausible to you?

I wouldn't call that eating popcorn considering the time in which this happened. Also, I really do not know why you think iamp and dp have to be of the same alignment.

I mean, the remaining four players are the only ones who didn't change their vote, and none were potential lynch targets. So, that's basically eating popcorn.

Okay, so what alignments do you think make sense with this vote movement?

Various different ones. Obviously the easiest would be you are mafia with dmb and one of mz/dp. Just from the voting it obviously also could be iamp or Rels.
If you are town it can be dp + any of those too. I don't think the wagon was ever a realistic one. Tinfoil theory here is still that dp told dmb to bus him. That's why just looking at votes alone is quite useless.

Yea... Now that I am going through DMB's filter from that day, the way she went berserk feels overly dramatic as hell (quoted recently), just like yesterday's German.

I think that DMB wouldn't also try to bus a non-factor Rels at the same time, though. So I think Rels would be town there, unless scum's whole plan was to bus the entire game and somehow get away with (Oats on TTS, and DMB, DMB on Oats, DP on DMB and DMB on DP, etc.).


I already said it and I say it again.
Nobody suspected Rels. Nobody besides maybe Palmar talked about Rels. Rels were in such a safe postion that it would be so unnecessary of a scumDMB to make people pay attention on Rels.

You still have not reevaluated or justified that read after being told it is based on totally incorrect assumptions though.


So I have to make a read on 3 people to stop my lycnh what will anyways not happen?
For today I would just be happy if town would see who dp pushed the town in the wrong direction as director of the thread.
Everything has an end only the sausage has two
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16320 Posts
March 20 2024 22:58 GMT
#10843
On March 21 2024 07:57 DarthPunk wrote:
Like dmb could not be any more obviously mafia than she is right now.

Agreed
die_meatbaby
Profile Joined May 2023
Colombia1344 Posts
March 20 2024 22:58 GMT
#10844
On March 21 2024 07:56 DarthPunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2024 07:55 die_meatbaby wrote:
On March 21 2024 07:48 Jealous wrote:
On March 21 2024 07:40 die_meatbaby wrote:
On March 21 2024 07:13 Jealous wrote:
On March 21 2024 06:57 justanothertownie wrote:
On March 21 2024 06:54 DarthPunk wrote:
On March 21 2024 06:50 justanothertownie wrote:
I mean, the iamp dp idea is frightening but I don't think that is very likely.

Part of me just Thinks jealous is trying to derail his partners wagon here.

It’s weird how he kind of called dmb town.

Yeah, I am also not sure that thought progress makes sense to me.
The whole premise of "people who hammer need to mafia" is quite questionable. As are all conclusions drawn from it.

It's just one possibility, I plan on doing more but work is demanding today.

It's one of the first I explored because it is indeed scary as mentioned above, and if it is the case, the game is shaping up almost exactly in their favor. Hammer Palmar, receive 0% of the heat for it, say "I am never voting iamp" and then ride off into the sunset on free ML on me or potential ML on DMB.

My feeling still is that DMB is objectively scummy, that her reads flip on me makes 0 fucking sense, the multiple slips/near-slips, and that stuff like the German thing/all of the dumbtells is just too much. However, it is counterbalanced by my having made basically the same exact "mistake" with CopCake. There is undeniably a non-zero chance that DMB is town, and if that is the case, then the game will have played out exactly as scum would want. And who was the scum that set up this situation, then? That's what this first proposed analysis was about.

And again, I see almost no way that DMB and DP are on a team together, unless their plan to spread scum around when she went to DP. However, around that time, Vivax was openly thirsting to lynch DP IIRC, so that would have been a really dumb plan. So, I find it more likely that DMB and DP can't both be scum.

I know that I'm not scum with DMB and that's the theory that several others have been pushing, so I know that town is going into an objectively wrong direction, too. That's why I felt like I had to do something, because I know that if town sentiment is "lynch DMB or Jealous, then lynch the other," that is an autoloss for town.


I was long unsure what aligment you could most likely have. I like to compare games from the people. Your old game (even when it was 8 years ago) made me think you are kinda Town, but I didn´t like how you were posting after the Koshi nk.
That was the point were I was more sure you could possibly be scum.
At the time were you and CC were the vote wagons. I was really not so sure about your aligment and I am not supposed to vote outside of the wagons otherwise I get shit on my head from Town.
I had to deside which one of you two I should vote, so I rather voted on CC who wanted to get out of the game and yes I thougt of her as town, but I was also unsure about you. So sorry to vote the one who really seemed sad in the game.
When there was the next lynch between you and Palmar, I already got so annoyed and paranoid about two wagons who are pushed by Dp again, that I didn´t want to vote any wagon pushed by him. And there happend the (Town)mistake that I tried to avoid one lynch before. Not voting outside of the wagons or I will get called scum.
I knew that voting outside will get me scumpoints. So my question is why should I make chaos here and getting more attantion instead of just voting Palmar or you?
After the lynch and the Koshi nightkill I was more pissed about my self because maybe I should have voted for you.

Also vivax changed his vote to cc because of dp pushing and asking us to vote CC. He was Town. I am Town. We were morons for listining to scumDP for this.



So you think the team is Rels + DP + me, then?


Pretty sure.
But I wouldn't put it past Dp to turn it around and try to make 2 townies the vote wagons in the last lynch. So there could be a litte chance that you are town just because I am getting so fucking paranoid about DP


You started the fucking wagon on jealous! I have been on you the whole time!!


after the koshi nk
before I had nothing to do with the vote wagons who were up
Everything has an end only the sausage has two
die_meatbaby
Profile Joined May 2023
Colombia1344 Posts
March 20 2024 22:59 GMT
#10845
you pushed all the vote wagons
you are the reason why there are still mafia alive
you were so activ that nobody is thinking it´s possibole as mafia
Everything has an end only the sausage has two
die_meatbaby
Profile Joined May 2023
Colombia1344 Posts
March 20 2024 22:59 GMT
#10846
On March 21 2024 07:59 die_meatbaby wrote:
you pushed all the vote wagons
you are the reason why there are still mafia alive
you were so activ that nobody is thinking it´s possibole as mafia

3 mafia
Everything has an end only the sausage has two
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
March 20 2024 23:00 GMT
#10847
On March 21 2024 07:58 die_meatbaby wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2024 07:56 DarthPunk wrote:
On March 21 2024 07:55 die_meatbaby wrote:
On March 21 2024 07:48 Jealous wrote:
On March 21 2024 07:40 die_meatbaby wrote:
On March 21 2024 07:13 Jealous wrote:
On March 21 2024 06:57 justanothertownie wrote:
On March 21 2024 06:54 DarthPunk wrote:
On March 21 2024 06:50 justanothertownie wrote:
I mean, the iamp dp idea is frightening but I don't think that is very likely.

Part of me just Thinks jealous is trying to derail his partners wagon here.

It’s weird how he kind of called dmb town.

Yeah, I am also not sure that thought progress makes sense to me.
The whole premise of "people who hammer need to mafia" is quite questionable. As are all conclusions drawn from it.

It's just one possibility, I plan on doing more but work is demanding today.

It's one of the first I explored because it is indeed scary as mentioned above, and if it is the case, the game is shaping up almost exactly in their favor. Hammer Palmar, receive 0% of the heat for it, say "I am never voting iamp" and then ride off into the sunset on free ML on me or potential ML on DMB.

My feeling still is that DMB is objectively scummy, that her reads flip on me makes 0 fucking sense, the multiple slips/near-slips, and that stuff like the German thing/all of the dumbtells is just too much. However, it is counterbalanced by my having made basically the same exact "mistake" with CopCake. There is undeniably a non-zero chance that DMB is town, and if that is the case, then the game will have played out exactly as scum would want. And who was the scum that set up this situation, then? That's what this first proposed analysis was about.

And again, I see almost no way that DMB and DP are on a team together, unless their plan to spread scum around when she went to DP. However, around that time, Vivax was openly thirsting to lynch DP IIRC, so that would have been a really dumb plan. So, I find it more likely that DMB and DP can't both be scum.

I know that I'm not scum with DMB and that's the theory that several others have been pushing, so I know that town is going into an objectively wrong direction, too. That's why I felt like I had to do something, because I know that if town sentiment is "lynch DMB or Jealous, then lynch the other," that is an autoloss for town.


I was long unsure what aligment you could most likely have. I like to compare games from the people. Your old game (even when it was 8 years ago) made me think you are kinda Town, but I didn´t like how you were posting after the Koshi nk.
That was the point were I was more sure you could possibly be scum.
At the time were you and CC were the vote wagons. I was really not so sure about your aligment and I am not supposed to vote outside of the wagons otherwise I get shit on my head from Town.
I had to deside which one of you two I should vote, so I rather voted on CC who wanted to get out of the game and yes I thougt of her as town, but I was also unsure about you. So sorry to vote the one who really seemed sad in the game.
When there was the next lynch between you and Palmar, I already got so annoyed and paranoid about two wagons who are pushed by Dp again, that I didn´t want to vote any wagon pushed by him. And there happend the (Town)mistake that I tried to avoid one lynch before. Not voting outside of the wagons or I will get called scum.
I knew that voting outside will get me scumpoints. So my question is why should I make chaos here and getting more attantion instead of just voting Palmar or you?
After the lynch and the Koshi nightkill I was more pissed about my self because maybe I should have voted for you.

Also vivax changed his vote to cc because of dp pushing and asking us to vote CC. He was Town. I am Town. We were morons for listining to scumDP for this.



So you think the team is Rels + DP + me, then?


Pretty sure.
But I wouldn't put it past Dp to turn it around and try to make 2 townies the vote wagons in the last lynch. So there could be a litte chance that you are town just because I am getting so fucking paranoid about DP


You started the fucking wagon on jealous! I have been on you the whole time!!


after the koshi nk
before I had nothing to do with the vote wagons who were up

No this fucking phase. You voted jealous straight away.

Jealous voted you.

That is how these wagons started
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
Jealous
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10224 Posts
March 20 2024 23:00 GMT
#10848
On March 21 2024 07:49 DarthPunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2024 07:48 Jealous wrote:
On March 21 2024 07:40 die_meatbaby wrote:
On March 21 2024 07:13 Jealous wrote:
On March 21 2024 06:57 justanothertownie wrote:
On March 21 2024 06:54 DarthPunk wrote:
On March 21 2024 06:50 justanothertownie wrote:
I mean, the iamp dp idea is frightening but I don't think that is very likely.

Part of me just Thinks jealous is trying to derail his partners wagon here.

It’s weird how he kind of called dmb town.

Yeah, I am also not sure that thought progress makes sense to me.
The whole premise of "people who hammer need to mafia" is quite questionable. As are all conclusions drawn from it.

It's just one possibility, I plan on doing more but work is demanding today.

It's one of the first I explored because it is indeed scary as mentioned above, and if it is the case, the game is shaping up almost exactly in their favor. Hammer Palmar, receive 0% of the heat for it, say "I am never voting iamp" and then ride off into the sunset on free ML on me or potential ML on DMB.

My feeling still is that DMB is objectively scummy, that her reads flip on me makes 0 fucking sense, the multiple slips/near-slips, and that stuff like the German thing/all of the dumbtells is just too much. However, it is counterbalanced by my having made basically the same exact "mistake" with CopCake. There is undeniably a non-zero chance that DMB is town, and if that is the case, then the game will have played out exactly as scum would want. And who was the scum that set up this situation, then? That's what this first proposed analysis was about.

And again, I see almost no way that DMB and DP are on a team together, unless their plan to spread scum around when she went to DP. However, around that time, Vivax was openly thirsting to lynch DP IIRC, so that would have been a really dumb plan. So, I find it more likely that DMB and DP can't both be scum.

I know that I'm not scum with DMB and that's the theory that several others have been pushing, so I know that town is going into an objectively wrong direction, too. That's why I felt like I had to do something, because I know that if town sentiment is "lynch DMB or Jealous, then lynch the other," that is an autoloss for town.


I was long unsure what aligment you could most likely have. I like to compare games from the people. Your old game (even when it was 8 years ago) made me think you are kinda Town, but I didn´t like how you were posting after the Koshi nk.
That was the point were I was more sure you could possibly be scum.
At the time were you and CC were the vote wagons. I was really not so sure about your aligment and I am not supposed to vote outside of the wagons otherwise I get shit on my head from Town.
I had to deside which one of you two I should vote, so I rather voted on CC who wanted to get out of the game and yes I thougt of her as town, but I was also unsure about you. So sorry to vote the one who really seemed sad in the game.
When there was the next lynch between you and Palmar, I already got so annoyed and paranoid about two wagons who are pushed by Dp again, that I didn´t want to vote any wagon pushed by him. And there happend the (Town)mistake that I tried to avoid one lynch before. Not voting outside of the wagons or I will get called scum.
I knew that voting outside will get me scumpoints. So my question is why should I make chaos here and getting more attantion instead of just voting Palmar or you?
After the lynch and the Koshi nightkill I was more pissed about my self because maybe I should have voted for you.

Also vivax changed his vote to cc because of dp pushing and asking us to vote CC. He was Town. I am Town. We were morons for listining to scumDP for this.



So you think the team is Rels + DP + me, then?


That’s what she has been saying

+ Show Spoiler [DMB Vote Analysis] +
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It's a deadlock 3-3-3 with me set to be lynched so... DP busses me to make sure I get lynched I guess? And had been bussing me the whole time? And I took the opportunity to... instead of trying to save myself by staying on Palmar... to bus DP, the wagon which DMB started?
[image loading]


Lol??
"The right to vote is only the oar of the slaveship, I wanna be free." -- бум бум сучка!
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
March 20 2024 23:00 GMT
#10849
On March 21 2024 07:59 die_meatbaby wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2024 07:59 die_meatbaby wrote:
you pushed all the vote wagons
you are the reason why there are still mafia alive
you were so activ that nobody is thinking it´s possibole as mafia

3 mafia


I’m also why 2 mafia are dead.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16320 Posts
March 20 2024 23:00 GMT
#10850
On March 21 2024 07:57 die_meatbaby wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2024 07:53 justanothertownie wrote:
On March 21 2024 07:48 die_meatbaby wrote:
On March 21 2024 07:44 Jealous wrote:
On March 21 2024 07:41 justanothertownie wrote:
On March 21 2024 07:34 Jealous wrote:
On March 21 2024 07:19 justanothertownie wrote:
On March 21 2024 07:15 Jealous wrote:
On March 21 2024 06:57 justanothertownie wrote:
On March 21 2024 06:54 DarthPunk wrote:
[quote]
Part of me just Thinks jealous is trying to derail his partners wagon here.

It’s weird how he kind of called dmb town.

Yeah, I am also not sure that thought progress makes sense to me.
The whole premise of "people who hammer need to mafia" is quite questionable. As are all conclusions drawn from it.

Also, I mean, does this movement from town make sense to you?

[image loading]


In theory it could be three scum just eating popcorn, but that would then have to be (assuming you are town) DMB, Rels, and MZ. Does that team sound plausible to you?

I wouldn't call that eating popcorn considering the time in which this happened. Also, I really do not know why you think iamp and dp have to be of the same alignment.

I mean, the remaining four players are the only ones who didn't change their vote, and none were potential lynch targets. So, that's basically eating popcorn.

Okay, so what alignments do you think make sense with this vote movement?

Various different ones. Obviously the easiest would be you are mafia with dmb and one of mz/dp. Just from the voting it obviously also could be iamp or Rels.
If you are town it can be dp + any of those too. I don't think the wagon was ever a realistic one. Tinfoil theory here is still that dp told dmb to bus him. That's why just looking at votes alone is quite useless.

Yea... Now that I am going through DMB's filter from that day, the way she went berserk feels overly dramatic as hell (quoted recently), just like yesterday's German.

I think that DMB wouldn't also try to bus a non-factor Rels at the same time, though. So I think Rels would be town there, unless scum's whole plan was to bus the entire game and somehow get away with (Oats on TTS, and DMB, DMB on Oats, DP on DMB and DMB on DP, etc.).


I already said it and I say it again.
Nobody suspected Rels. Nobody besides maybe Palmar talked about Rels. Rels were in such a safe postion that it would be so unnecessary of a scumDMB to make people pay attention on Rels.

You still have not reevaluated or justified that read after being told it is based on totally incorrect assumptions though.


So I have to make a read on 3 people to stop my lycnh what will anyways not happen?
For today I would just be happy if town would see who dp pushed the town in the wrong direction as director of the thread.

Yeah, after well over 500 pages I would except your second strongest scumread to be based on more than "was too correct voting early in the game". Especially since it is not even true that he was particularly correct. That does not suggest you are thinking about the game critically at all.
die_meatbaby
Profile Joined May 2023
Colombia1344 Posts
March 20 2024 23:00 GMT
#10851
On March 21 2024 07:56 DarthPunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2024 07:55 die_meatbaby wrote:
On March 21 2024 07:48 Jealous wrote:
On March 21 2024 07:40 die_meatbaby wrote:
On March 21 2024 07:13 Jealous wrote:
On March 21 2024 06:57 justanothertownie wrote:
On March 21 2024 06:54 DarthPunk wrote:
On March 21 2024 06:50 justanothertownie wrote:
I mean, the iamp dp idea is frightening but I don't think that is very likely.

Part of me just Thinks jealous is trying to derail his partners wagon here.

It’s weird how he kind of called dmb town.

Yeah, I am also not sure that thought progress makes sense to me.
The whole premise of "people who hammer need to mafia" is quite questionable. As are all conclusions drawn from it.

It's just one possibility, I plan on doing more but work is demanding today.

It's one of the first I explored because it is indeed scary as mentioned above, and if it is the case, the game is shaping up almost exactly in their favor. Hammer Palmar, receive 0% of the heat for it, say "I am never voting iamp" and then ride off into the sunset on free ML on me or potential ML on DMB.

My feeling still is that DMB is objectively scummy, that her reads flip on me makes 0 fucking sense, the multiple slips/near-slips, and that stuff like the German thing/all of the dumbtells is just too much. However, it is counterbalanced by my having made basically the same exact "mistake" with CopCake. There is undeniably a non-zero chance that DMB is town, and if that is the case, then the game will have played out exactly as scum would want. And who was the scum that set up this situation, then? That's what this first proposed analysis was about.

And again, I see almost no way that DMB and DP are on a team together, unless their plan to spread scum around when she went to DP. However, around that time, Vivax was openly thirsting to lynch DP IIRC, so that would have been a really dumb plan. So, I find it more likely that DMB and DP can't both be scum.

I know that I'm not scum with DMB and that's the theory that several others have been pushing, so I know that town is going into an objectively wrong direction, too. That's why I felt like I had to do something, because I know that if town sentiment is "lynch DMB or Jealous, then lynch the other," that is an autoloss for town.


I was long unsure what aligment you could most likely have. I like to compare games from the people. Your old game (even when it was 8 years ago) made me think you are kinda Town, but I didn´t like how you were posting after the Koshi nk.
That was the point were I was more sure you could possibly be scum.
At the time were you and CC were the vote wagons. I was really not so sure about your aligment and I am not supposed to vote outside of the wagons otherwise I get shit on my head from Town.
I had to deside which one of you two I should vote, so I rather voted on CC who wanted to get out of the game and yes I thougt of her as town, but I was also unsure about you. So sorry to vote the one who really seemed sad in the game.
When there was the next lynch between you and Palmar, I already got so annoyed and paranoid about two wagons who are pushed by Dp again, that I didn´t want to vote any wagon pushed by him. And there happend the (Town)mistake that I tried to avoid one lynch before. Not voting outside of the wagons or I will get called scum.
I knew that voting outside will get me scumpoints. So my question is why should I make chaos here and getting more attantion instead of just voting Palmar or you?
After the lynch and the Koshi nightkill I was more pissed about my self because maybe I should have voted for you.

Also vivax changed his vote to cc because of dp pushing and asking us to vote CC. He was Town. I am Town. We were morons for listining to scumDP for this.



So you think the team is Rels + DP + me, then?


Pretty sure.
But I wouldn't put it past Dp to turn it around and try to make 2 townies the vote wagons in the last lynch. So there could be a litte chance that you are town just because I am getting so fucking paranoid about DP


You started the fucking wagon on jealous! I have been on you the whole time!!

you told town to not vote me until you needed the last misslynch
nice plan. Sad that it function
Everything has an end only the sausage has two
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16320 Posts
March 20 2024 23:02 GMT
#10852
On March 21 2024 08:00 DarthPunk wrote:
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On March 21 2024 07:59 die_meatbaby wrote:
On March 21 2024 07:59 die_meatbaby wrote:
you pushed all the vote wagons
you are the reason why there are still mafia alive
you were so activ that nobody is thinking it´s possibole as mafia

3 mafia


I’m also why 2 mafia are dead.

You had nothing to do with oats death. Like, come on.
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
March 20 2024 23:02 GMT
#10853
On March 21 2024 08:00 die_meatbaby wrote:
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On March 21 2024 07:56 DarthPunk wrote:
On March 21 2024 07:55 die_meatbaby wrote:
On March 21 2024 07:48 Jealous wrote:
On March 21 2024 07:40 die_meatbaby wrote:
On March 21 2024 07:13 Jealous wrote:
On March 21 2024 06:57 justanothertownie wrote:
On March 21 2024 06:54 DarthPunk wrote:
On March 21 2024 06:50 justanothertownie wrote:
I mean, the iamp dp idea is frightening but I don't think that is very likely.

Part of me just Thinks jealous is trying to derail his partners wagon here.

It’s weird how he kind of called dmb town.

Yeah, I am also not sure that thought progress makes sense to me.
The whole premise of "people who hammer need to mafia" is quite questionable. As are all conclusions drawn from it.

It's just one possibility, I plan on doing more but work is demanding today.

It's one of the first I explored because it is indeed scary as mentioned above, and if it is the case, the game is shaping up almost exactly in their favor. Hammer Palmar, receive 0% of the heat for it, say "I am never voting iamp" and then ride off into the sunset on free ML on me or potential ML on DMB.

My feeling still is that DMB is objectively scummy, that her reads flip on me makes 0 fucking sense, the multiple slips/near-slips, and that stuff like the German thing/all of the dumbtells is just too much. However, it is counterbalanced by my having made basically the same exact "mistake" with CopCake. There is undeniably a non-zero chance that DMB is town, and if that is the case, then the game will have played out exactly as scum would want. And who was the scum that set up this situation, then? That's what this first proposed analysis was about.

And again, I see almost no way that DMB and DP are on a team together, unless their plan to spread scum around when she went to DP. However, around that time, Vivax was openly thirsting to lynch DP IIRC, so that would have been a really dumb plan. So, I find it more likely that DMB and DP can't both be scum.

I know that I'm not scum with DMB and that's the theory that several others have been pushing, so I know that town is going into an objectively wrong direction, too. That's why I felt like I had to do something, because I know that if town sentiment is "lynch DMB or Jealous, then lynch the other," that is an autoloss for town.


I was long unsure what aligment you could most likely have. I like to compare games from the people. Your old game (even when it was 8 years ago) made me think you are kinda Town, but I didn´t like how you were posting after the Koshi nk.
That was the point were I was more sure you could possibly be scum.
At the time were you and CC were the vote wagons. I was really not so sure about your aligment and I am not supposed to vote outside of the wagons otherwise I get shit on my head from Town.
I had to deside which one of you two I should vote, so I rather voted on CC who wanted to get out of the game and yes I thougt of her as town, but I was also unsure about you. So sorry to vote the one who really seemed sad in the game.
When there was the next lynch between you and Palmar, I already got so annoyed and paranoid about two wagons who are pushed by Dp again, that I didn´t want to vote any wagon pushed by him. And there happend the (Town)mistake that I tried to avoid one lynch before. Not voting outside of the wagons or I will get called scum.
I knew that voting outside will get me scumpoints. So my question is why should I make chaos here and getting more attantion instead of just voting Palmar or you?
After the lynch and the Koshi nightkill I was more pissed about my self because maybe I should have voted for you.

Also vivax changed his vote to cc because of dp pushing and asking us to vote CC. He was Town. I am Town. We were morons for listining to scumDP for this.



So you think the team is Rels + DP + me, then?


Pretty sure.
But I wouldn't put it past Dp to turn it around and try to make 2 townies the vote wagons in the last lynch. So there could be a litte chance that you are town just because I am getting so fucking paranoid about DP


You started the fucking wagon on jealous! I have been on you the whole time!!

you told town to not vote me until you needed the last misslynch
nice plan. Sad that it function


No you just started scum claiming all over the place.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16320 Posts
March 20 2024 23:03 GMT
#10854
That was purely slam
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
March 20 2024 23:03 GMT
#10855
On March 21 2024 08:02 justanothertownie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2024 08:00 DarthPunk wrote:
On March 21 2024 07:59 die_meatbaby wrote:
On March 21 2024 07:59 die_meatbaby wrote:
you pushed all the vote wagons
you are the reason why there are still mafia alive
you were so activ that nobody is thinking it´s possibole as mafia

3 mafia


I’m also why 2 mafia are dead.

You had nothing to do with oats death. Like, come on.

Yes I did I made sure town didn’t lose its damn mind and lynch ve instead.

Go read back. It was fucking close too.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
die_meatbaby
Profile Joined May 2023
Colombia1344 Posts
March 20 2024 23:04 GMT
#10856
On March 21 2024 08:00 justanothertownie wrote:
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On March 21 2024 07:57 die_meatbaby wrote:
On March 21 2024 07:53 justanothertownie wrote:
On March 21 2024 07:48 die_meatbaby wrote:
On March 21 2024 07:44 Jealous wrote:
On March 21 2024 07:41 justanothertownie wrote:
On March 21 2024 07:34 Jealous wrote:
On March 21 2024 07:19 justanothertownie wrote:
On March 21 2024 07:15 Jealous wrote:
On March 21 2024 06:57 justanothertownie wrote:
[quote]
Yeah, I am also not sure that thought progress makes sense to me.
The whole premise of "people who hammer need to mafia" is quite questionable. As are all conclusions drawn from it.

Also, I mean, does this movement from town make sense to you?

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In theory it could be three scum just eating popcorn, but that would then have to be (assuming you are town) DMB, Rels, and MZ. Does that team sound plausible to you?

I wouldn't call that eating popcorn considering the time in which this happened. Also, I really do not know why you think iamp and dp have to be of the same alignment.

I mean, the remaining four players are the only ones who didn't change their vote, and none were potential lynch targets. So, that's basically eating popcorn.

Okay, so what alignments do you think make sense with this vote movement?

Various different ones. Obviously the easiest would be you are mafia with dmb and one of mz/dp. Just from the voting it obviously also could be iamp or Rels.
If you are town it can be dp + any of those too. I don't think the wagon was ever a realistic one. Tinfoil theory here is still that dp told dmb to bus him. That's why just looking at votes alone is quite useless.

Yea... Now that I am going through DMB's filter from that day, the way she went berserk feels overly dramatic as hell (quoted recently), just like yesterday's German.

I think that DMB wouldn't also try to bus a non-factor Rels at the same time, though. So I think Rels would be town there, unless scum's whole plan was to bus the entire game and somehow get away with (Oats on TTS, and DMB, DMB on Oats, DP on DMB and DMB on DP, etc.).


I already said it and I say it again.
Nobody suspected Rels. Nobody besides maybe Palmar talked about Rels. Rels were in such a safe postion that it would be so unnecessary of a scumDMB to make people pay attention on Rels.

You still have not reevaluated or justified that read after being told it is based on totally incorrect assumptions though.


So I have to make a read on 3 people to stop my lycnh what will anyways not happen?
For today I would just be happy if town would see who dp pushed the town in the wrong direction as director of the thread.

Yeah, after well over 500 pages I would except your second strongest scumread to be based on more than "was too correct voting early in the game". Especially since it is not even true that he was particularly correct. That does not suggest you are thinking about the game critically at all.


Rels and dp didn´t really talk to each other until the had to because of me. The just feels like the same I did in my last game.
I didn´t talk to rayn or tried to commicate as less as possibole with him. Solid read where I don´t need talk about more with town.
Same thing I saw with CC and Vivax when they were mafia togther in an older game.
Everything has an end only the sausage has two
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16320 Posts
March 20 2024 23:05 GMT
#10857
On March 21 2024 08:03 DarthPunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2024 08:02 justanothertownie wrote:
On March 21 2024 08:00 DarthPunk wrote:
On March 21 2024 07:59 die_meatbaby wrote:
On March 21 2024 07:59 die_meatbaby wrote:
you pushed all the vote wagons
you are the reason why there are still mafia alive
you were so activ that nobody is thinking it´s possibole as mafia

3 mafia


I’m also why 2 mafia are dead.

You had nothing to do with oats death. Like, come on.

Yes I did I made sure town didn’t lose its damn mind and lynch ve instead.

Go read back. It was fucking close too.

Yes, you parroted me nicely there after I told people stay the course on oats.
Jealous
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10224 Posts
March 20 2024 23:05 GMT
#10858
On March 21 2024 07:56 DarthPunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2024 07:55 die_meatbaby wrote:
On March 21 2024 07:48 Jealous wrote:
On March 21 2024 07:40 die_meatbaby wrote:
On March 21 2024 07:13 Jealous wrote:
On March 21 2024 06:57 justanothertownie wrote:
On March 21 2024 06:54 DarthPunk wrote:
On March 21 2024 06:50 justanothertownie wrote:
I mean, the iamp dp idea is frightening but I don't think that is very likely.

Part of me just Thinks jealous is trying to derail his partners wagon here.

It’s weird how he kind of called dmb town.

Yeah, I am also not sure that thought progress makes sense to me.
The whole premise of "people who hammer need to mafia" is quite questionable. As are all conclusions drawn from it.

It's just one possibility, I plan on doing more but work is demanding today.

It's one of the first I explored because it is indeed scary as mentioned above, and if it is the case, the game is shaping up almost exactly in their favor. Hammer Palmar, receive 0% of the heat for it, say "I am never voting iamp" and then ride off into the sunset on free ML on me or potential ML on DMB.

My feeling still is that DMB is objectively scummy, that her reads flip on me makes 0 fucking sense, the multiple slips/near-slips, and that stuff like the German thing/all of the dumbtells is just too much. However, it is counterbalanced by my having made basically the same exact "mistake" with CopCake. There is undeniably a non-zero chance that DMB is town, and if that is the case, then the game will have played out exactly as scum would want. And who was the scum that set up this situation, then? That's what this first proposed analysis was about.

And again, I see almost no way that DMB and DP are on a team together, unless their plan to spread scum around when she went to DP. However, around that time, Vivax was openly thirsting to lynch DP IIRC, so that would have been a really dumb plan. So, I find it more likely that DMB and DP can't both be scum.

I know that I'm not scum with DMB and that's the theory that several others have been pushing, so I know that town is going into an objectively wrong direction, too. That's why I felt like I had to do something, because I know that if town sentiment is "lynch DMB or Jealous, then lynch the other," that is an autoloss for town.


I was long unsure what aligment you could most likely have. I like to compare games from the people. Your old game (even when it was 8 years ago) made me think you are kinda Town, but I didn´t like how you were posting after the Koshi nk.
That was the point were I was more sure you could possibly be scum.
At the time were you and CC were the vote wagons. I was really not so sure about your aligment and I am not supposed to vote outside of the wagons otherwise I get shit on my head from Town.
I had to deside which one of you two I should vote, so I rather voted on CC who wanted to get out of the game and yes I thougt of her as town, but I was also unsure about you. So sorry to vote the one who really seemed sad in the game.
When there was the next lynch between you and Palmar, I already got so annoyed and paranoid about two wagons who are pushed by Dp again, that I didn´t want to vote any wagon pushed by him. And there happend the (Town)mistake that I tried to avoid one lynch before. Not voting outside of the wagons or I will get called scum.
I knew that voting outside will get me scumpoints. So my question is why should I make chaos here and getting more attantion instead of just voting Palmar or you?
After the lynch and the Koshi nightkill I was more pissed about my self because maybe I should have voted for you.

Also vivax changed his vote to cc because of dp pushing and asking us to vote CC. He was Town. I am Town. We were morons for listining to scumDP for this.



So you think the team is Rels + DP + me, then?


Pretty sure.
But I wouldn't put it past Dp to turn it around and try to make 2 townies the vote wagons in the last lynch. So there could be a litte chance that you are town just because I am getting so fucking paranoid about DP


You started the fucking wagon on jealous! I have been on you the whole time!!

On March 21 2024 07:57 DarthPunk wrote:
Like dmb could not be any more obviously mafia than she is right now.

Yea okay I give up, I'll go down with this ship if DMB is town, there is no amount of reasoning that would lead me to believe that any of this comes from town!AnyoneEver. I see what Vivax meant by corrupted game now I think.

[QUOTE]On March 20 2024 07:54 Jealous wrote:
[QUOTE]On March 20 2024 07:52 Jealous wrote:
[QUOTE]On March 20 2024 05:17 die_meatbaby wrote:
[QUOTE]On March 20 2024 05:12 iamperfection wrote:
[QUOTE]On March 20 2024 05:09 die_meatbaby wrote:
[QUOTE]On March 20 2024 05:06 iamperfection wrote:
Why did you vote Jealous immediately at start of day?[/QUOTE]
because of his voting switch

[QUOTE]On March 20 2024 05:00 die_meatbaby wrote:

There was no logical reason that he swapped his vote on Dp with me. Thinking of his situation it would be better to stick on Palmar and save himself... But it would make more sense to have the vote on dp so that not all 3 scum a voting the same person.[/QUOTE][/QUOTE]
I don't understand so he's scum because he didn't risk self preservation.[/QUOTE]


Yeah thats what I was thought and still kinda think why he could be scum. I just assume it´s 100 % dp and Rels togther the 3rd person is either him or Jat. But if you all still think of dp and rels as Town. I will just accept my death, the end of the game, that town lost and congratulation on dp and Rels for getting so many Town wagons to a lynch
80 page scum filter amazing but not for dp.[/QUOTE]
I mean, this is just incredible. What stronger case could I possibly make? Never gild the lily. [/QUOTE]
"The right to vote is only the oar of the slaveship, I wanna be free." -- бум бум сучка!
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
March 20 2024 23:05 GMT
#10859
On March 21 2024 08:05 justanothertownie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2024 08:03 DarthPunk wrote:
On March 21 2024 08:02 justanothertownie wrote:
On March 21 2024 08:00 DarthPunk wrote:
On March 21 2024 07:59 die_meatbaby wrote:
On March 21 2024 07:59 die_meatbaby wrote:
you pushed all the vote wagons
you are the reason why there are still mafia alive
you were so activ that nobody is thinking it´s possibole as mafia

3 mafia


I’m also why 2 mafia are dead.

You had nothing to do with oats death. Like, come on.

Yes I did I made sure town didn’t lose its damn mind and lynch ve instead.

Go read back. It was fucking close too.

Yes, you parroted me nicely there after I told people stay the course on oats.


I had the thread presence to get it done.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16320 Posts
March 20 2024 23:07 GMT
#10860
On March 21 2024 08:05 DarthPunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2024 08:05 justanothertownie wrote:
On March 21 2024 08:03 DarthPunk wrote:
On March 21 2024 08:02 justanothertownie wrote:
On March 21 2024 08:00 DarthPunk wrote:
On March 21 2024 07:59 die_meatbaby wrote:
On March 21 2024 07:59 die_meatbaby wrote:
you pushed all the vote wagons
you are the reason why there are still mafia alive
you were so activ that nobody is thinking it´s possibole as mafia

3 mafia


I’m also why 2 mafia are dead.

You had nothing to do with oats death. Like, come on.

Yes I did I made sure town didn’t lose its damn mind and lynch ve instead.

Go read back. It was fucking close too.

Yes, you parroted me nicely there after I told people stay the course on oats.


I had the thread presence to get it done.

Clearly.
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