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JacobStrangelove
Profile Joined August 2012
Australia1572 Posts
March 11 2024 09:33 GMT
#6521
Yeah like okay this is the world Cop DMB DP and I and VIvax are all town.

Lets even say VE is scum.

Who's the last two?
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
March 11 2024 09:48 GMT
#6522
On March 11 2024 13:02 Rels wrote:
Fuck already midnight. I thought I was only going to play for 30 minutes. I have 2 interviews tomorrow morning ... wish me luck!

Good luck friend.
Hope you get both, and they have to tripple your salary outbidding the other company.
I had a good night of sleep.
CopCake
Profile Joined August 2015
4378 Posts
March 11 2024 09:53 GMT
#6523
On March 11 2024 18:33 JacobStrangelove wrote:
Yeah like okay this is the world Cop DMB DP and I and VIvax are all town.

Lets even say VE is scum.

Who's the last two?


You do not think VE is scum, lovely Jacob?
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
March 11 2024 09:56 GMT
#6524
On March 11 2024 13:23 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Koshi I know you accepted my defense of DMB but I am once again asking you to reread cake please.

It's fine. I will do so tomorrow if needed. Today you can lynch CC without me. So only if you say VE is town I need to rethink CC.
I had a good night of sleep.
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22634 Posts
March 11 2024 09:58 GMT
#6525
On March 11 2024 13:58 VisceraEyes wrote:
So I'm at work right now, but I'll go and filter people and give reads before I die. I'm mostly caught up now so it shouldn't take long once I start working on it, but I'll entertain no questions and there will be no flash photography. Thank you.

You do know why we're killing your right?
Computer says mafia
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21171 Posts
March 11 2024 10:03 GMT
#6526
The Prelude To: VisceraEyes Last Post of D3

Eight lucky players who got to leave much earlier.

1) raynpelikoneet killed night 1 -
2) Oatsmaster lynched day 2
5) sandroba killed night 1
6) Trfel lynched day 1
7) marvellosity killed night 2
15) Hapahauli executed day 1
18) ToTheStars killed night 2
21) Alakaslam killed night 2

Leaving thirteen unlucky souls left in this despair pit.

3) DarthPunk
4) Vivax
8) Jealous
9) Meapak_Ziphh
10) Palmar
11) justanothertownie
12) die_meatbaby
13) CopCake
14) JacobStrangelove
16) Iamperfection
17) Koshi
20) Rels

I know I'm town so that leaves three naughty ne'er-do-wells to find. I've made it clear that I find it most likely that the remaining mafia can be found on my wagon, so that's where I'll start.
On March 09 2024 11:51 Grackaroni wrote:
Day Two Vote Count

Oatsmaster (9): Alakaslam, Jealous, JacobStrangelove, Rels, Meapak_Ziphh, iamperfection, DarthPunk, die_meatbaby, CopCake, Justanothertownie, ToTheStars, Koshi, marvellosity, JacobStrangelove, Alakaslam
VisceraEyes (7): Koshi, Oatsmaster, iamperfection, Vivax, Palmar, Alakaslam, Meapak_Ziphh, iamperfection, CopCake
Palmar (0): Oatsmaster, CopCake, iamperfection, JacobStrangelove, CopCake
Jealous (0): CopCake
Justanothertownie (0): Vivax, Oatsmaster
ToTheStars (0): iamperfection, Oatsmaster
marvellosity (0): Vivax
die_meatbaby (0): Oatsmaster
VisceraEyes (0): iamperfection
CopCake (0): Jealous

Not Voting (1): VisceraEyes

With 9 votes, Oatsmaster is currently set to be lynched!

The deadline is Saturday, Mar 09 3:00am GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in




I get to do the distasteful thing and completely ignore all posts about me because I've put everyone in the unfortunate position of giving them nothing to read me on, I wish it meant more that I was instantly on Oats and fucked off, I meant it when I said my mafia meta is ironclad here, but I digress. The point is that I "get" to read everyone based on how they're reading EVERYONE BUT me. Which is extraordinarily boring to me. But fucking here I am. About to filter a bunch of people who wanted to kill me BEFORE it was cool, and I don't even get to talk about that. I hope you lot appreciate it.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21171 Posts
March 11 2024 10:04 GMT
#6527
On March 11 2024 18:58 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2024 13:58 VisceraEyes wrote:
So I'm at work right now, but I'll go and filter people and give reads before I die. I'm mostly caught up now so it shouldn't take long once I start working on it, but I'll entertain no questions and there will be no flash photography. Thank you.

You do know why we're killing your right?

Silence I think you're probably scum and I can't right now.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22634 Posts
March 11 2024 10:22 GMT
#6528
On March 11 2024 18:33 JacobStrangelove wrote:
Yeah like okay this is the world Cop DMB DP and I and VIvax are all town.

Lets even say VE is scum.

Who's the last two?

Lol this doesn't matter for now.

To put the game in perspective, we're basically in a normal 13 player game of town vs mafia. 10 town, 3 mafia.

But we have two VERY likely "blue checks" (you and DP). We also have like 200 pages of bullshit that can be parsed.

We're in a great position. We can mislynch 3 times and still be in the game. The current state of the game demands simple playing. We're not in lylo, we're not even close to lylo. We should not be tinfoiling for hidden mafia. We need to be killing the people who have stereotypical scum characteristics, and first and foremost amongst them is VE. He is not interested in the game, isn't helping to solve it, seems to not be enjoying playing etc.

Consider it a pseudo policy lynch, which is almost always a good idea in day 1 on a normal game.

I can't stress enough how important it's to just keep a happy disposition. We're in a stronger than expected position. There is no need to panic, just calmly keep analyzing the game.

The one weakness of the game is that very little information can be gained from the last 2 days because they have been semi-default lynches. Which is another reason why resolving VE is great for the state of the game. I'll happily reconsider if VE starts looking supertown.

Also to answer your question... MZ and JAT?
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22634 Posts
March 11 2024 10:23 GMT
#6529
On March 11 2024 19:04 VisceraEyes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2024 18:58 Palmar wrote:
On March 11 2024 13:58 VisceraEyes wrote:
So I'm at work right now, but I'll go and filter people and give reads before I die. I'm mostly caught up now so it shouldn't take long once I start working on it, but I'll entertain no questions and there will be no flash photography. Thank you.

You do know why we're killing your right?

Silence I think you're probably scum and I can't right now.

See this isn't exactly helping your case...
Computer says mafia
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
March 11 2024 10:24 GMT
#6530
Ok so Rels is town and played really good.
I had a good night of sleep.
CopCake
Profile Joined August 2015
4378 Posts
March 11 2024 10:25 GMT
#6531
On March 11 2024 19:24 Koshi wrote:
Ok so Rels is town and played really good.


How is he town if he used the same game to call me town and scum at the same time?
JacobStrangelove
Profile Joined August 2012
Australia1572 Posts
March 11 2024 10:35 GMT
#6532
On March 11 2024 19:22 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2024 18:33 JacobStrangelove wrote:
Yeah like okay this is the world Cop DMB DP and I and VIvax are all town.

Lets even say VE is scum.

Who's the last two?

Lol this doesn't matter for now.

To put the game in perspective, we're basically in a normal 13 player game of town vs mafia. 10 town, 3 mafia.

But we have two VERY likely "blue checks" (you and DP). We also have like 200 pages of bullshit that can be parsed.

We're in a great position. We can mislynch 3 times and still be in the game. The current state of the game demands simple playing. We're not in lylo, we're not even close to lylo. We should not be tinfoiling for hidden mafia. We need to be killing the people who have stereotypical scum characteristics, and first and foremost amongst them is VE. He is not interested in the game, isn't helping to solve it, seems to not be enjoying playing etc.

Consider it a pseudo policy lynch, which is almost always a good idea in day 1 on a normal game.

I can't stress enough how important it's to just keep a happy disposition. We're in a stronger than expected position. There is no need to panic, just calmly keep analyzing the game.

The one weakness of the game is that very little information can be gained from the last 2 days because they have been semi-default lynches. Which is another reason why resolving VE is great for the state of the game. I'll happily reconsider if VE starts looking supertown.

Also to answer your question... MZ and JAT?



Why MZ? Have you not seen the man's Latest posts? He and Jealous are basically the most town like scum hunting players right now. At least in actual effort wise goes.
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21171 Posts
March 11 2024 10:43 GMT
#6533
First up we have Koshi. At first I had a townread on him for his activity, in spite of saying dumb things like Oats is town. D2 he drops off considerably though, and reacts really strangely to the Oats check. Like, there's confirmation bias, and there's trying desperately to save a mafia teammate. I think we witnessed the second one on Koshi's D2. The smart play there is to lynch the check. Koshi is a smart player. That's what cops are for, to check people you think you trust to find out if you can or not. Not just that, but his TR wasn't even that strong on Oats D1, he kept saying he had to go "reread" Oats to "see if he locked in on someone" or some meta bullshit. He never did that, but continued to scream about not lynching him, the mafia Framer. In that light, the fact that he's both "too confused about the state of the game to make any real reads" and "So certain of our path forward that I don't even have to try anymore" rings massive alarm bells for me.

Verdict: Mafia Koshi

Next up is.....omg it's our esteemed mayor. Please let there be less than 20 pages.
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
CopCake
Profile Joined August 2015
4378 Posts
March 11 2024 10:48 GMT
#6534
On March 08 2024 12:31 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 08 2024 10:35 iamperfection wrote:
Just organizing my thoughts

VE

If you look at a lot of his posts he has no real opinions and goes in to general mafia guidance mode such as saying mafia would do this or probably act like this but not attaching it to any player. Makes promises of providing more content but never really does. He even complains that he wont have meaningful read until a flip happens. Well there have been several flips and claims and still he has not provided anything meaningful VE is old school scum where he just keeps making promises and does just enough posting to try and survive. He has no interest in figuring out the game and who is mafia because he is mafia.

TTS

Yes i have had some fear of possible lynch bait but the word choice he has used looks like a blatant act to me.

On March 07 2024 18:20 ToTheStars wrote:
DP and Vivax what are your reads?

All I remember of Day 1 is that I was townreading you two, maybe rayn, also alakaslam. And scumreading trfel but I think they flipped town?


I think they flipped town? like come on nobody would talk like that its clearly an act.

On March 08 2024 08:09 ToTheStars wrote:
I saw that there was a guilty on Oats? Who claimed the guilty?


He was aware that there was a check but somehow also dosnt know who claimed. A town member would go look i think he is blatantly trying to look like a noob so we dont lynch him.

Palmar

I feel like he is hiding behind the "way" he plays in order to just make useless posts in attempt to show actvivity with no real meaning behind them. He avoided all possible content that would give reads because he isnt really looking for that. He heavily ignored the whisper mechanic and seems perplexed about even though an unconfirmed mason is absolutely a role palmar would be aware which is what this basically is. If you look at his content he basically tunneled rayn and refused any evidence to try and figure out rayns alignment. He has a list post with no reasoning probably because he found it too hard to get real ones. He constantly has posts were he could give an opinion but simply doesn't. Palmar is not trying to catch mafia because he is mafia.

AWESOME find on TTS! "And scumreading trfel but I think they flipped town?" cannot ever make sense if it is not faked to appear clueless town??? 100% scum


I am reading Rels atm but this is an important post.
CopCake
Profile Joined August 2015
4378 Posts
March 11 2024 10:48 GMT
#6535
On March 08 2024 12:34 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 08 2024 12:30 DarthPunk wrote:
On March 08 2024 12:27 Rels wrote:
On March 08 2024 09:55 CopCake wrote:
On March 08 2024 09:49 marvellosity wrote:
On March 08 2024 09:48 CopCake wrote:
I mean blocking vivax is wild, unless they assumed that vivax would protect slam 🤔

Why is it wild? sandro and I and maybe rayn too both discussed jk is stronger than cop.


Mafia marv has two options

- block rayn
- block vivax

Both of them (at least rayn) decides to protect slam. Therefore mafia knows not to waste kills there.

So either rayn or vivax got blocked (duh) over slam.

But why not block slam if rayn or vivax would protect slam anyways? (In mafia marvs perspective)

I think this kinda clears marv?

I mean that would be the best mafia play.

Block slam because he would be protected anyways and you know rayn would waste his doc on him and vivax would JK block/ slam

So the one who got blocked was vivax and no rayn!

Marv is town by night actions.

Please correct me if I am wrong.


I think this is a very townie post
The logic is pretty wrong IMO. I don't understand why you assume mafia would think Vivax would protect Slam though. After removing that assumption, the logic kind of fall apart
Kind of moot since I think marv is very very townie



I think she is pocketing him here.

Your last point is why.

Wild theories like this are not something I associate with scum!CopCake. Planning on rereading the latest game where we were scum together to verify when I'm caught up


I am phone posting but here is one I am town.
CopCake
Profile Joined August 2015
4378 Posts
March 11 2024 10:49 GMT
#6536
On March 08 2024 12:35 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 08 2024 12:34 DarthPunk wrote:
Rels what is your view on cake.

Town. Lots of out-there theories, logics and posts that she absolutely don't need to make as scum, and that I don't remember her doing as scum


I am town
CopCake
Profile Joined August 2015
4378 Posts
March 11 2024 10:55 GMT
#6537
On March 11 2024 13:33 Rels wrote:
My mind is here:

Scum
VE is almost confirmed scum IMO. My scumread started at the fake anger against rayn D1 (or N1? But I think D1), but the rest of his play since then is just an admission of being scum.

CC this cycle has been really, really scummy with her play. Martyring but still hanging out with no real objective and mainly discussing roles and KP targets. It really feels like a mafia that know they will be lynched but also know they have to participate in order to not play against their wincon

DMB has already been very scummy. I know she's has been scumread a lot s town, but the points that I think is not correlated to her style are her entrance where she spoke only in general terms until she was called out on it(I know at least by me, maybe others too), and the dumbtell in particular that looked very forced. Also was not a fan on how she behaved when marv/DP pushed her yesterday. I still haven't had the time to read one of her towngame, that's something that I will need to do

Jealous I hated a few posts from them. Already summarized it for marv yesterday, but basically, I have the feeling that his big posts are there to be townie / believable, not there because they're genuine. Contrary to some other takes I've seen, I didn't find anything particularly townie about them, if we exclude activity. I might be wrong, but I think his take on Vivax earlier was the first time he posted something that really resonated with me, and it was not even alignment related

--
[town]Town[/town]
JAT I've thought was townie for a while for some of his posts and analyses N1, but TBH this is becoming to become weaker and weaker. I can't remember anything they've done lately - I know they've been somewhat active, but can't remember a single thing that influenced my reads. Probably the weakest of my townreads.

Koshi is someone that I thought multiple times was falling off, but actually hit a sprea of posts after catching up and thought once again he was being extremely townie with the way he thought and jumped from idea to idea. Very strong townread.

Palmar, just quoted my reasonning to MZ earlier, really, really don't think he makes those dumbtells as an experienced player. I know dumbtell are always tempting as scum, but this feels like too much, especially in this game where people are being scumread for dumbtells already. I also really liked his last list post (last in the part of the game I've read, haven't read the last 24 hours).

DP is super, super town, in addition to actually having played against their wincon if they're scum by shooting a partner instead of a scummy townie.

MZ has been so doubtful and involved in D2 when there was no reason to, very very strong townread.

iamperfection is a somewhat strong townread. I actualy never filtered him so I'm probably missing a bunch of his posts, but several times, he posted stuff that was either a great find or exactly what I thought at the time.

Vivax is JK. If he's scum and we really have no other protective role, I'm blaming balance there.

JSL is confirmed town.

13 players so I'm missing someone.
Whelp I guess it's me lol


Mafia for discussing KP
CopCake
Profile Joined August 2015
4378 Posts
March 11 2024 10:58 GMT
#6538
On March 08 2024 13:22 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 08 2024 12:38 DarthPunk wrote:
On March 08 2024 12:37 Rels wrote:
On March 08 2024 12:36 DarthPunk wrote:
On March 08 2024 12:34 Rels wrote:
On March 08 2024 12:30 DarthPunk wrote:
On March 08 2024 12:27 Rels wrote:
On March 08 2024 09:55 CopCake wrote:
On March 08 2024 09:49 marvellosity wrote:
On March 08 2024 09:48 CopCake wrote:
I mean blocking vivax is wild, unless they assumed that vivax would protect slam 🤔

Why is it wild? sandro and I and maybe rayn too both discussed jk is stronger than cop.


Mafia marv has two options

- block rayn
- block vivax

Both of them (at least rayn) decides to protect slam. Therefore mafia knows not to waste kills there.

So either rayn or vivax got blocked (duh) over slam.

But why not block slam if rayn or vivax would protect slam anyways? (In mafia marvs perspective)

I think this kinda clears marv?

I mean that would be the best mafia play.

Block slam because he would be protected anyways and you know rayn would waste his doc on him and vivax would JK block/ slam

So the one who got blocked was vivax and no rayn!

Marv is town by night actions.

Please correct me if I am wrong.


I think this is a very townie post
The logic is pretty wrong IMO. I don't understand why you assume mafia would think Vivax would protect Slam though. After removing that assumption, the logic kind of fall apart
Kind of moot since I think marv is very very townie



I think she is pocketing him here.

Your last point is why.

Wild theories like this are not something I associate with scum!CopCake. Planning on rereading the latest game where we were scum together to verify when I'm caught up


Pocketing is not a wild theory, its standard practice as mafia.

In that specific case, the logic to which she arrives at the marv townread, not the attempt itself


That looks like standard mafia fare to me.

Lots of waffling about nothing important to land on an important town read for your own survival.

Comparing CopCake with that game: https://tl.net/forum/mafia/586368-chezinu-streaks-mafia?user=CopCake&view=all

I think it's pretty different. In this current game, she talks very freely, posts stuff like this even when unprompted. The other game doesn't contain a weird theory, just "faking to be town" with "normal analysis, with sometimes some fake confrontation or anger. And even then, nothing that comes to the level of interaction she had this game, like when she bumped into you D1, rayn N1, Slam D2 as examples ...

This is reflected in the filter size too: 19 pages in this game (in the middle of D2) vs 9 pages in that game (lynched D4)


Yeah Rels contradicted himself.

Same logic to call me town and mafia.
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22634 Posts
March 11 2024 11:08 GMT
#6539
On March 11 2024 19:43 VisceraEyes wrote:
First up we have Koshi. At first I had a townread on him for his activity, in spite of saying dumb things like Oats is town. D2 he drops off considerably though, and reacts really strangely to the Oats check. Like, there's confirmation bias, and there's trying desperately to save a mafia teammate. I think we witnessed the second one on Koshi's D2. The smart play there is to lynch the check. Koshi is a smart player. That's what cops are for, to check people you think you trust to find out if you can or not. Not just that, but his TR wasn't even that strong on Oats D1, he kept saying he had to go "reread" Oats to "see if he locked in on someone" or some meta bullshit. He never did that, but continued to scream about not lynching him, the mafia Framer. In that light, the fact that he's both "too confused about the state of the game to make any real reads" and "So certain of our path forward that I don't even have to try anymore" rings massive alarm bells for me.

Verdict: Mafia Koshi

Next up is.....omg it's our esteemed mayor. Please let there be less than 20 pages.

Tbf if you want to call Koshi mafia just say that he thinks I'm town.

Town Koshi never thinks I'm town. Ever.

But I've decided to ignore that for now.
Computer says mafia
VisceraEyes
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States21171 Posts
March 11 2024 11:09 GMT
#6540
Our mayor Vivax is Town from what I can tell. He's super duper active, he correctly called out Oats D1 which, jeez. If you're not only running for mayor inviting scrutiny upon yourself but you're also calling out your Framer and calling for his death D1 AS MAFIA, Vivax you've got bigger balls than I have ever given you credit for.

The switch to me on D2 feels like a townie reaction to a too easy lynch because of a check. Exacerbated by older heads saying that I'm mafia in the bargain. I don't think it's telling in Vivax case - he doesn't like, say Oats is town or give reasons for wanting to lynch me. I could do without the misogyny, but that doesn't make him mafia.

So cool. The protected guy is town. Yipee. I guess. On to.....*sigh*...Palmar. At least it won't take long?
if I had to describe his playstyle, it'd be a coked up rabbit with the attention of a goldfish injecting caffeine into himself directly through an IV drip. it's like a reel of random animated shorts where things just blow up randomly
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