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On March 15 2024 04:23 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2024 11:51 Grackaroni wrote:
Day Two Vote Count
Oatsmaster (9): Alakaslam, Jealous, JacobStrangelove, Rels, Meapak_Ziphh, iamperfection, DarthPunk, die_meatbaby, CopCake, Justanothertownie, ToTheStars, Koshi, marvellosity, JacobStrangelove, Alakaslam
VisceraEyes (7): Koshi, Oatsmaster, iamperfection, Vivax, Palmar, Alakaslam, Meapak_Ziphh, iamperfection, CopCake
Palmar (0): Oatsmaster, CopCake, iamperfection, JacobStrangelove, CopCake
Jealous (0): CopCake
Justanothertownie (0): Vivax, Oatsmaster
ToTheStars (0): iamperfection, Oatsmaster
marvellosity (0): Vivax
die_meatbaby (0): Oatsmaster
VisceraEyes (0): iamperfection
CopCake (0): Jealous
Not Voting (1): VisceraEyes
With 9 votes, Oatsmaster is currently set to be lynched!
The deadline is Saturday, Mar 09 3:00am GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in
I am so fucking suspicious of both Palmar (Jealous Rels) and JAT (DMB and was ot also Jealous?) wanting or scumreading 2 people on Oats.
Not everyone was there at the deadline. But you do make a point. It seems very likely that there is at least one if not two mafia in mz/cc/iamp
But you also have to remember that mafia is playing with perfect information. They know that Oats is scum, they know the check is legit (whereas I mused about even lynching slam).
They will be deathly afraid of being seen to go against the red check even if a bunch of stupid townies are doing it
I think it’s perfectly reasonable that 3 mafia were on Oats to try to not get the attention that voting against a red check would give them
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Remember that a lot of mafia play with constant fear of doing anything stupid and anti-town. It's one of the things that has kept a bunch of people alive this game.
This applies to voting too. Mafia has no idea if town chickens out of killing VE if he actually takes the lead. and as the wagon on VE grows, they ABSOLUTELY do not want to be the ones delivering the hammer blow on a townie over a red check. Only the very, very best mafia players take that challenge.
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On March 15 2024 04:39 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2024 04:33 Palmar wrote:On March 15 2024 04:23 Koshi wrote:On March 09 2024 11:51 Grackaroni wrote:
Day Two Vote Count
Oatsmaster (9): Alakaslam, Jealous, JacobStrangelove, Rels, Meapak_Ziphh, iamperfection, DarthPunk, die_meatbaby, CopCake, Justanothertownie, ToTheStars, Koshi, marvellosity, JacobStrangelove, Alakaslam
VisceraEyes (7): Koshi, Oatsmaster, iamperfection, Vivax, Palmar, Alakaslam, Meapak_Ziphh, iamperfection, CopCake
Palmar (0): Oatsmaster, CopCake, iamperfection, JacobStrangelove, CopCake
Jealous (0): CopCake
Justanothertownie (0): Vivax, Oatsmaster
ToTheStars (0): iamperfection, Oatsmaster
marvellosity (0): Vivax
die_meatbaby (0): Oatsmaster
VisceraEyes (0): iamperfection
CopCake (0): Jealous
Not Voting (1): VisceraEyes
With 9 votes, Oatsmaster is currently set to be lynched!
The deadline is Saturday, Mar 09 3:00am GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in
I am so fucking suspicious of both Palmar (Jealous Rels) and JAT (DMB and was ot also Jealous?) wanting or scumreading 2 people on Oats. Not everyone was there at the deadline. But you do make a point. It seems very likely that there is at least one if not two mafia in mz/cc/iamp But you also have to remember that mafia is playing with perfect information. They know that Oats is scum, they know the check is legit (whereas I mused about even lynching slam). They will be deathly afraid of being seen to go against the red check even if a bunch of stupid townies are doing it I think it’s perfectly reasonable that 3 mafia were on Oats to try to not get the attention that voting against a red check would give them If you vivax and I are pushing VE and we are all town, mafia would come over to our wagon. Lucky marv has a brain. The fact you and JAT push 3 people on that Oats wagon is simply ridiculous. That you dont attackbeachvother over this but just fill this thread with this nonsense is too much for me.
Is this nonsense in the room with us now?
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On March 15 2024 04:41 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2024 04:39 justanothertownie wrote:On March 15 2024 04:35 CopCake wrote:On March 15 2024 02:57 CopCake wrote:On March 15 2024 02:51 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 15 2024 02:43 CopCake wrote:On March 15 2024 00:50 iamperfection wrote:
I mean at just a surface level they have been all over the place. Making ridiculous statements but also almost begging to be lynched. Dosnt seem like the most likely scum mindset to me the more I think about it. Yes it's possible but the more and more I think it makes me think CC has a likelihood to be town. You say this but yes, there is a problem. I am a wild card. If I am alive I am a question mark, a red one. If I die, who is the mafia? I think that is the question that everyone should be asking because so far in many worlds I am mafia, just like VE and Tfrel for NOT TRYING ENOUGH OMG. VE is so inactive Cake doesnt make sense and is insane I am going to make a case on DMB about how many times she has said fucking in the thread Tfrel is not stepping up his game Are these good reasons to lynch? This looks more of a "I am lynching you because I am better than you" game. That is why I think I should get lynched. For town´s sake. Who knows, people might get a surprise. Cake I'm gonna be real with you and this may be a little blunt. You need to get over this/yourself and just play. Most people are not scum reading you anymore. Your martyr play worked. Stop trying to get yourself lynched. If you are town, you are actively playing against your wincon and its really obnoxious. This game gets hostile at times sure but nothing in the thread this game has been over the top. There are two wagons going right now. Neither of them are you. Stop talking about yourself and start trying to find scum. Stop talking about VE and yourself and the lynch yesterday, that's done. Unless you think you can draw conclusions from it to find scum, just move on. I've been defending you and I'm getting tired of it. I'm not trying to be rude, you need to break out of whatever mindset you're in and focus on finding scum. What do you make of Iamp saving me? Because I am not satisfied with that answer. What do you think of these sequence: Post #128 On March 07 2024 23:45 Grackaroni wrote:
Day Two Vote Count
Oatsmaster (10): Alakaslam, Jealous, JacobStrangelove, Rels, Meapak_Ziphh, iamperfection, DarthPunk, die_meatbaby, CopCake, Justanothertownie
die_meatbaby (1): Oatsmaster
VisceraEyes (0): iamperfection
CopCake (0): Jealous
Not Voting (6): Vivax, marvellosity, Palmar, Koshi, ToTheStars, VisceraEyes
With 10 votes, Oatsmaster is currently set to be lynched!
The deadline is Saturday, Mar 09 3:00am GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in
And what did IAMP did on post #129? On March 08 2024 00:47 iamperfection wrote:
##unvote
##vote ToTheStars
and who followed? On March 08 2024 01:14 Oatsmaster wrote:
##unvote
##vote tts And there are more votes that look synchronized. I can unserstand people like Jacob and Slam sheeping, but there are too many votes that look... bad. What do you think of this JAT? Is it NAI? I am currently reading his filter. Hard to say. I do not think saving you makes him town if you are town (I do give him townpoints for it though - I think mafia would have rather lynched you than VE, who they could just easily mislynch at any point). Obviously if you are mafia it is pretty bad. I do not believe it means a lot that Oats followed his vote there. I want to believe VE would have gone berserker mode lol
He wasn't going to. I've played with VE as town when he tries, multiple times. I don't know why he didn't want to play this game. He was just demotivated for some reason.
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On March 15 2024 05:55 iamperfection wrote:
Palmar can you give a full read on me.
An actual read. I want the whole filter read.
I'm not sure that is what I want to spend the rest of the day on. You're not really in any danger of being lynched today so I feel like I can do more useful stuff.
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@jat did you read what I posted about Rels this phase?
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On March 15 2024 06:32 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2024 06:29 DarthPunk wrote:
If palmar flips town and you are town koshi. Marv and myself will be absolutely insufferable. I hope you realise that. It's fine. I am always insufferable so the only ones that loses will be the people playing with us.
You truly are.
You've convinced yourself of some bullshit reads based on stupid analysis of who can be mafia together.
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On March 15 2024 06:36 Koshi wrote:
The only other team possible is somewhere Jealous/Rels/MZ.
If DP/Vivax/iamp trust Palmar/JAT
I would lynch there.
CC does not fit within those 3 names because they all 3 bussed CC then.
That's pretty much the exact team I'm working on, but obviously I have some concerns.
I don't know a lot of jat's work sounds kinda town today. I hate that he had to be wagoned to get there but it's whatever.
What IS clear to me is that those three along with dmb are the people who have just... not done anything today. Today is by far the most important and interesting day we've had since day 1. None of them did anything really on day 1 either.
Like if we simply go by "who was loudest today", which is a stupid, but possibly valid analysis, it really needs to eliminate pretty much everyone else in the game but those 4.
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On March 15 2024 06:44 Vivax wrote:
DP is suspicious here not gonna lie.
Why is he fighting JAT + Palmar wagons so hard.
Because at least half of them, and possibly both, are terrible wagons.
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On March 15 2024 06:49 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2024 06:48 Palmar wrote:On March 15 2024 06:44 Vivax wrote:
DP is suspicious here not gonna lie.
Why is he fighting JAT + Palmar wagons so hard. Because at least half of them, and possibly both, are terrible wagons. You're voting one it can't be both from your POV
I kinda thought I was clear I was waffling on jat now. I'll unvote if it helps you.
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On March 15 2024 06:50 iamperfection wrote:
Palmar please help me can you do an actual full read of me.
Why?
Like I am quite possibly going to die here tonight. Seems doing a massive filter read is a waste of time...
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On March 15 2024 06:52 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2024 06:51 Palmar wrote:On March 15 2024 06:50 iamperfection wrote:
Palmar please help me can you do an actual full read of me. Why? Like I am quite possibly going to die here tonight. Seems doing a massive filter read is a waste of time... it will help me to determine if your town or not then you wont die if your town.
I'm not mafia, does this help?
If I'm mafia I'm just gonna read your filter, find a few smart posts, which you've definitely made, call you possibly town for it because it jives. Maybe dig up a marv or sandro endorsement or something, follow up with a DP endorsement and say that while I can't be sure I think iamp probably looks town. Still hate the fact that you don't know what a policy lynch is as a good joke in the end to keep it light.
So let's just pretend I did that.
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On March 15 2024 06:54 DarthPunk wrote:
The euros are all about to fuck off though right?
I'm not staying for deadlines this game. I did it occasionally in the last one.
As I said to hapa on day 1, if I'm going to enjoy playing mafia here, I need to accept that I can't be 100% on 100% of the time and just allow myself to take shortcuts and not care all that much.
But I have a little while, it's only 10pm my time. Don't tell dmb that though.
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At least Koshi feels like Koshi again now. I was getting really worried there for a while when he was reasonable.
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On March 15 2024 06:56 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2024 06:54 Palmar wrote:On March 15 2024 06:52 iamperfection wrote:On March 15 2024 06:51 Palmar wrote:On March 15 2024 06:50 iamperfection wrote:
Palmar please help me can you do an actual full read of me. Why? Like I am quite possibly going to die here tonight. Seems doing a massive filter read is a waste of time... it will help me to determine if your town or not then you wont die if your town. I'm not mafia, does this help? If I'm mafia I'm just gonna read your filter, find a few smart posts, which you've definitely made, call you possibly town for it because it jives. Maybe dig up a marv or sandro endorsement or something, follow up with a DP endorsement and say that while I can't be sure I think iamp probably looks town. Still hate the fact that you don't know what a policy lynch is as a good joke in the end to keep it light. So let's just pretend I did that. But i have felt thats what you have been doing lol the second paragraph. I feel like you have been sideways calling me mafia with no real good reason. I feel like you really haven't read my entire filter.
Cool, I haven't. Excellent conclusion.
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On March 15 2024 06:57 DarthPunk wrote:
The problem with cake is that she is so insanely hard to lynch that it might just end up getting palmar lynched trying to go for her. Even though I think she is the best shot at mafia flipping this phase.
Here's the thing.
I am absolutely in the "CC almost can't be mafia because these antics are just so ridiculous" camp.
Is the case against her just "let's kill her because I'm going to believe she is better than this?"
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On March 15 2024 07:04 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2024 19:08 Palmar wrote:On March 14 2024 18:56 Koshi wrote:On March 14 2024 07:12 Palmar wrote:
I'm just gonna go say Rels is lock town.
You said this. And then twice that Rels has TMI. Nothing else in past 12 hours. So weak. Rels is town because he has been extremely right this game, outside of his tunnel on me. The TMI joke is simply because of just how much he has been right, I thought you'd understand that. The only weird actual possible TMI thing that he has done is his response to MZs case on me: On March 14 2024 10:35 Rels wrote:On March 13 2024 15:59 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:I have been hesitant to scumread Palmar bc I had that TR of him early, masoned him but got blown off so I couldn’t make any real determination, and he was drunk posting with me. That said I think Rels looks terrible right now and some of that has been his association and disassociation with his Palmar reads. Palmar has also been scumreading me for most of the game so I’ve been careful trying to not let that cloud my judgement. That said, it’s time to address his scumread of me or lack thereof. On March 09 2024 07:01 Palmar wrote:
God I'm so lazy and bad at this game.
This sums up my read of Palmar tonight. On March 06 2024 06:54 Palmar wrote:
As for other people.
I stand by the sandroba townread, koshi is probably town too. I like Oats a lot more now for actually making sense. I also like JSL and Vivax.
I'd need VE to actually step up some again, same with Trfel. I had some reads on both but they're weak. DMB is also a weak maybe townread.
iamperfection is making sense, but the guy is smart enough to make sense when there is no pressure on him as either alignment.
DP is a little more wildcardy to me this game, I haven't always agreed with his takes.
TTS, JEalous, Hapa just need to be policied out.
I've not read or even noticed Rels at all which is a bad omen.
rayn is weird to me. I'm again getting the feeling that he's just posting a lot and saying very little, also I really, really don't like that he's not pressuring marv at all in the mason QT it seems.
Idk about CopCake, nothjin one way or the other.
MZ looks kinda bad, but it's very weak as I haven't really read him. MZ bad but haven’t read him On March 06 2024 08:55 Palmar wrote:
I'm finalizing here.
I like a bunch of mafia in:
rayn
jat
rels
mz
tts
then there's gonna be some mafia in the people who should be killed on policy
vivax
trfel
hapa
then there's the people that need constant monitoring and need to improve
iamp
marv
jealous
copcake
slam
ve
and finally we have the people I have somewhere from mild to good reasons to think are town
sandro
oats
dp
dmb
jls
koshi
None of the lists are in any particular order
I don't really think Trfel will flip mafia. It's just a "I believe in people" read that he wouldn't fuck off like that as mafia with the whole "If I get lynched I get lynched" thing. But it's an objectively good lynch so I'm not going to fight it all that hard. Leaving my vote on jat. I've been burned before by placing too much faith in people not doing crazy things as mafia so it's whatever. I’m in his mafia category On March 09 2024 07:11 Palmar wrote:
Essentially it comes down to:
I really need to filter dive CopCake, DMB, MZ, Rels and JSL because there's like 3 mafia in there.
One is probably either Oats or Slam, unless we're just the unluckiest town in the world.
Also if Slam and Vivax are genuinely town and both claimed on day 1, we deserve to lose.
There's gonna be a hidden mafia there somewhere. MZ in the Mafia but have to filter dive category On March 09 2024 07:30 Palmar wrote:
MZ doesn't look great in our topic.
But to be fair, neither do I cause I don't talk to him. More MZ not great On March 10 2024 20:21 Palmar wrote:
There is 3 mafia in mz/rels/jat/iamp/ve MZ again On March 10 2024 20:56 Palmar wrote:
I actually think we should be lynching MZ as an alternative Lynch MZ On March 11 2024 19:22 Palmar wrote:On March 11 2024 18:33 JacobStrangelove wrote:
Yeah like okay this is the world Cop DMB DP and I and VIvax are all town.
Lets even say VE is scum.
Who's the last two? Lol this doesn't matter for now. To put the game in perspective, we're basically in a normal 13 player game of town vs mafia. 10 town, 3 mafia. But we have two VERY likely "blue checks" (you and DP). We also have like 200 pages of bullshit that can be parsed. We're in a great position. We can mislynch 3 times and still be in the game. The current state of the game demands simple playing. We're not in lylo, we're not even close to lylo. We should not be tinfoiling for hidden mafia. We need to be killing the people who have stereotypical scum characteristics, and first and foremost amongst them is VE. He is not interested in the game, isn't helping to solve it, seems to not be enjoying playing etc. Consider it a pseudo policy lynch, which is almost always a good idea in day 1 on a normal game. I can't stress enough how important it's to just keep a happy disposition. We're in a stronger than expected position. There is no need to panic, just calmly keep analyzing the game. The one weakness of the game is that very little information can be gained from the last 2 days because they have been semi-default lynches. Which is another reason why resolving VE is great for the state of the game. I'll happily reconsider if VE starts looking supertown. Also to answer your question... MZ and JAT? MZ with a big old question mark On March 12 2024 00:54 Palmar wrote:
By the way I think CC should not be lynched and have a slight townread. I understand the waffling and self-doubt and giving up can be faked, but it still is more likely to come from town than scum.
I also think dmb sounds a lot more reasonable this game than last game.
For one reason or another, I'm not really considering the following people right now:
dp
jls
koshi
cc
dmb
vivax
Then there's like two people I just need to actually get off my ass and read
jealous
iamp
rels
and then there's the people I actively think could be mafia
jat
mz
ve
Remember, to me I'm really thinking about the game as a "day 1" situation where we have plenty of time and mislynches left. I am not really questioning weaker townreads and tinfoil theories at the moment, there is no need to. Oh boy guess who’s scum again On March 12 2024 23:39 Palmar wrote:
Still don't like MZ, but again, it's just preliminary filtering, not a full read. I have been Palmar’s main scumread most of the game and he has done literally nothing about it. Every single time he calls me scum, he caveats his read so that while I’m his number one choice, he’s always got a reason why he’s not sure, maybe he just puts a question mark there or maybe it’s because he hasn’t read my filter, or maybe he needs to reread me. We're all busy but it's D3 and he's still using these excuses. He’s used every reason possible to not actually stand behind his scumread of me, push his scumread of me, or do anything but sheep along with whatever wagon that’s been convenient for the last 2 days. He is not actually serious about this read. It gets lost in the churn of the thread since he hasn’t been very active but it’s painfully clear when you read his filter. I think he keeps expecting to come back to the thread and for there to be a wagon on me that he can hop on and push but then have plausible deniability because he won't have been the primary push for me despite shading me the entire game. I think Palmar is scum with Rels, tbd who their teammate is at the moment. I have a part 2 of this analysis which is going to look at the connections between those two but that’s gonna have to wait bc its way past my bedtime and I have work tomorrow. Not on bad post on Palmar TBH Kinda townie from MZ too, thinking about the game as a whole and thinking about Palmar and I being partner. If Palmar is town, that means that this analysis is thrown out the window as soon as one of us flips After declaring Rels lock town this is giving me pause. Maybe he should not be in my town circle and Koshi can be a full member instead. The point is, Rels knows I'm more likely to flip than him. So instead of commenting on the quality of the case, or refuting it, he simply goes for the "Well when Palmar is dead and flips town I'm cleared" approach. It's a weird takeaway, considering that Rels personally thinks I'm mafia and has thought that the entire game. Yet the only option/outcome of MZs analysis he comments on is the reverse of what Rels actually thinks is going to happen. He seems not worried at all what it means if I flip mafia, which then in turn, according to MZ should implicate Rels. Show nested quote +On March 14 2024 19:19 Palmar wrote:
Someone vet my work, am I blowing this out of proportion? I
1: MZ makes a case on me and rels being mafia together
2: Rels says case is good, and if I flip town it has to be thrown out the window
Problem with 2 is Rels doesn't think I'm town, so why mention it, instead of pointing out why the case is wrong in associating us as mafia.
The solution to that is that Rels KNOWS I'm town and is using the opportunity to clear himself on my townflip.
If Rels is town and thinks I'm mafia, why isn't his primary concern to convince MZ that the association is wrong? Instead of just saying "good case, means I'm clear when palmar flips town". I agree that addition is a bit weird. But why write that as mafia?
Why write it as town?
Like he's essentially agreeing that if his scumread is right he is mafia. Like how does that make any sense at all?
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I know he isn't directly, that's just the conclusion of following his logic through
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I mean for someone claiming to be martyring she's still got a lot of fight in her 
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