EPTOne of my primary weakness is that I do get lynched more than people who are better than me at establishing themselves are town. Some of it is because while I'm not good as scum, I'm decent, so I have a lot, and I do mean A LOT of experience getting steamrolled by paranoid towns.
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One of my primary weakness is that I do get lynched more than people who are better than me at establishing themselves are town. Some of it is because while I'm not good as scum, I'm decent, so I have a lot, and I do mean A LOT of experience getting steamrolled by paranoid towns. | ||
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On March 12 2024 22:28 iamperfection wrote: Fibonacci dosnt even really count from what I see. So damn it's been a long time you were due. yeah, statistically I'm pretty much confirmed mafia... lol | ||
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For context, I've basically considered Rels a pseudo-lurker this game, but that may not be the correct take. Due the length of the game and my sporadic availability we may not have been in the thread at the same time much. He basically hated the same post that I hated from TTS on day 1, which is a stance I wasn't aware of. I like that take, even if it's not impossible to make as mafia. In the next few pages I think I agreed with most of what he was saying. I honestly think he just got hypnotized by my enormous balls and ended up getting mislead, but aside from attacking me, he wasn't actually bad in the early game. I come away thinking he's less likely to be mafia than before, but this is just preliminary work. | ||
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On February 27 2024 09:44 iamperfection wrote: trying a new style btw not posting as much well that was a lie lol, 30 pages of filter | ||
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On March 13 2024 12:19 Jealous wrote: Fine, brief summary, just for clarity: 1. Several bursts of posting almost exclusively about mechanics and digging into it without ever reaching a sensible or actionable conclusion. 2. Generally not making much sense at several points. This includes constructing a completely nonsensical case against me. 3. Hypocrisy. 4. Forming a conf!town circle at the very start of the game for no good reason besides the fact that she invited them to a tea party RP, then gave them all free town passes. 5. Martyrdom. Probably forgot one or two by now but again, if you want more and actual quotes and etc., just filter me. By my estimation you've contributed next to nothing to town's victory for the past several cycles so even if you're not scum, I don't really feel the need to explain myself to you. I really like this post by the way. | ||
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It's very complicated. And I want to preface by saying I kind want to go read his filter. This is all written from memory and subject to change. I'll talk through some of it. First of all, I have a mental expectation of Koshi that may or may not be wrong. We all build these models of players we've played with repeatedly and then try to compare them to our mental model. Here are the things that really fit my model of what Koshi is like: - He makes a lot of sense when thinking objectively about the game and how it should be played. I particularly noted that he was one of the few people I completely agreed with how to deal with Vivax' claim on day 1. It annoyed me that the mason triangle disagreed with the view that Koshi and I had. - He makes a lot of overconfident reads and does it in an abrasive manner. He is active in the thread and seems to be anticipating interactions, like today he is actively waiting for me to come back. Here are the things that don't fit with my model: - He was way too quick to dismiss his own scumread on me. Part of the model we build about people is how they interact with ourselves. In my model Koshi basically calls me mafia every game regardless of alignment and wants me dead so bad all the time. It's almost unfair to assume he should be wrong about me. This point is slightly important because I have objectively not played all that well this game, especially if jat not mafia. I have listened too much to Koshi this game. I felt like he had thread presence where I lacked it so I've kinda deferred to him. This was especially noticeable on day 1 where I kinda dropped my Oats thing because of his towncase and day 2 where despite writing with every post I made that we needed to lynch Oats, I let my annoyance of VE and Oats legendary defense convinvce me to just go fuck it and vote VE. That was a stupid decision. So what about the things he says? I honestly don't know. Koshi is really good at making sense as mafia, and because of the way he approaches the game it's difficult to catch him on the content. Like there is a case to be made that his Oats towncase could make him lock town, or we should lynch him for it as mafia. He has, at times, been advocating for keeping morale up in the thread, which is a townie thing to do. He made another towncase, this time on CC. I am not nearly as convinced that CC is town as Koshi, in fact I think she is one of the more likely people to flip mafia, mostly because I start liking other people more. I don't think Koshi can be answered today, and I don't think he needs to be answered today. My opinion is that we should be exclusively looking at the people that are most likely to flip mafia, and despite some concern, I don't think Koshi is there. Oh btw, he did at some point... maybe even twice.... traitor-bait. | ||
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I was talking about the way it reflects on Jealous himself. In particular that last sentence is just great. I need to re-read CC to make up my mind. I can do a preliminary "what I think now" post like I just did with Koshi, if people think that may be valuable. | ||
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The plan is to find that out. Probably not DP and Vivax Some reasons to townread Koshi, Rels, you, dmb, Jealous Little reasons to townread MZ, jat, CC And then need to deal with the fact that I'm probably giving too cheap of a townread to some of the people in the top 2 lists, and being too mean to someone in the bottom list. Like I think best case scenario is I'm 2/3 in that bottom list. Like just as I explained there's some issues with Koshi's play, similar can be said of Jealous who despite liking the things he posts, doesn't post all that much and seems very calculated. But the fact that I usually like his posting far outweighs the other. | ||
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On March 13 2024 21:55 iamperfection wrote: This is just standard Koshi blustering, why do you think it's relevant? | ||
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The only reason I'm givivng you a tiny town read is that I think I'm sheeping marv. | ||
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On March 13 2024 22:00 iamperfection wrote: Him soft martyring has to say something. He also goes from I don't know if he is mafia to being like super confident how do you not see that and it doesn't stick out? Because koshi does this kind of shit every game. Did you read that part of my mental image of him is the "abrasive overconfident" way he does things? This is EXACTLY that. It's just his way of saying he wants to lynch me. | ||
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On March 13 2024 22:04 iamperfection wrote: ? You have played with me before why do you have to sheep marv See this is the kinda shit that bothers me. Why wouldn't I sheep marv? He's a really, really good town player that I respect. What on earth is weird about that? I'll do a highlight of other instances of you being weird: On March 12 2024 07:07 Palmar wrote: Why the shade on this? I have plenty of explanations for my own reasons behind leaning slight town on koshi and cc as a pretty wild-cardy null at the moment. I don't think it says anything about Koshi that he wrote a case to support his conclusion, he's been plenty vocal that he thinks cc is town. It would actually be surprising if he didn't write that towncase with the outcome already established.... Actually almost all cases are written with the outcome already in mind I think, do you disagree? For some reason iamp doesn't know why people write cases? Cases are there to convince other people of your existing conclusions... usually. On March 12 2024 01:08 Palmar wrote: I said it's just a feeling that I can't back up. I had a similar feeling about Trfel last game, and when I finally bothered reading him I came away thinking lock town. That's a big part of how we won that game. You're not up for lynch today, so it doesn't really matter to me. Iamp gets mad and claims to have lead the wagon on day 1? I don't remember it that way, but I didn't care much about the trfel wagon. Why do you care? On March 07 2024 01:09 Palmar wrote: Quit bitching, the upper class is having a meeting. Iamp complains about me and rayn arguing with each other in the process of figuring out each other's alignment? Why not just let us hash it out? On March 07 2024 01:14 Palmar wrote: Did you notice that I also called Vivax town! How cool is that? Iamp for some reason doesn't know what a policy lynch is? It's all strange and I don't really like it. Not even sure it makes him mafia, just annoying to deal with. I would need to dive into that filter of endless oneliners to actually reach a harder conclusion but it's whatever. | ||
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On March 13 2024 22:07 Koshi wrote: Palmar. After previous game in which dmb fooled you. Why is this game dmb town? It's a risk again. Essentially I am now assuming that dmb feels the need to "take a stance" as mafia. Last game her stance was an incredibly stupid tunnel on me, but at least it was a stance. My feeling this game is that her mood has been lighter, and she has been much more comfortable just sorta existing in the thread without the need to spam an opinion. This is however, based on having not filter dived her for a long time. The one weird thing she did was accusing me of lying about time. But that was hilarious anyway. | ||
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