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Going to take a look at VE and go to bed
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Well, that was quick lol. 2 posts since I last posted
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VE is basically claiming scum? They should still be the lynch today over CC IMO
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Thanks 
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My mind is here:
Scum
VE is almost confirmed scum IMO. My scumread started at the fake anger against rayn D1 (or N1? But I think D1), but the rest of his play since then is just an admission of being scum.
CC this cycle has been really, really scummy with her play. Martyring but still hanging out with no real objective and mainly discussing roles and KP targets. It really feels like a mafia that know they will be lynched but also know they have to participate in order to not play against their wincon
DMB has already been very scummy. I know she's has been scumread a lot s town, but the points that I think is not correlated to her style are her entrance where she spoke only in general terms until she was called out on it(I know at least by me, maybe others too), and the dumbtell in particular that looked very forced. Also was not a fan on how she behaved when marv/DP pushed her yesterday. I still haven't had the time to read one of her towngame, that's something that I will need to do
Jealous I hated a few posts from them. Already summarized it for marv yesterday, but basically, I have the feeling that his big posts are there to be townie / believable, not there because they're genuine. Contrary to some other takes I've seen, I didn't find anything particularly townie about them, if we exclude activity. I might be wrong, but I think his take on Vivax earlier was the first time he posted something that really resonated with me, and it was not even alignment related
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JAT I've thought was townie for a while for some of his posts and analyses N1, but TBH this is becoming to become weaker and weaker. I can't remember anything they've done lately - I know they've been somewhat active, but can't remember a single thing that influenced my reads. Probably the weakest of my townreads.
Koshi is someone that I thought multiple times was falling off, but actually hit a sprea of posts after catching up and thought once again he was being extremely townie with the way he thought and jumped from idea to idea. Very strong townread.
Palmar, just quoted my reasonning to MZ earlier, really, really don't think he makes those dumbtells as an experienced player. I know dumbtell are always tempting as scum, but this feels like too much, especially in this game where people are being scumread for dumbtells already. I also really liked his last list post (last in the part of the game I've read, haven't read the last 24 hours).
DP is super, super town, in addition to actually having played against their wincon if they're scum by shooting a partner instead of a scummy townie.
MZ has been so doubtful and involved in D2 when there was no reason to, very very strong townread.
iamperfection is a somewhat strong townread. I actualy never filtered him so I'm probably missing a bunch of his posts, but several times, he posted stuff that was either a great find or exactly what I thought at the time.
Vivax is JK. If he's scum and we really have no other protective role, I'm blaming balance there.
JSL is confirmed town.
13 players so I'm missing someone.
Whelp I guess it's me lol
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On March 11 2024 13:08 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2024 13:00 Rels wrote:On March 11 2024 12:57 CopCake wrote:On March 11 2024 12:56 Rels wrote:On March 11 2024 12:51 CopCake wrote:
The problem is
Why not kill DP when we have
- vivax jailing Slam so his cop check doesnt work
- kill DP who is about to kill mafia TTS/Cake/DMB
If two of those are real mafia, I think blocking DP takes priority and not blocking vivax to kill slam, I mean the cop check would had been blocked.
I saw this in your filter too, in my mind it's not even a question. I mean, killing DP or not might be a question, but roleblock wise, scum HAD to RB Vivax and kill Slam Scum cannot know who Vivax will target, so that's the only plan where you get your 2 KPs + be sure there isn't another check. Any other plan, you risk having one of your KP blocked by Vivax The second KP (the marv one) could have been used to kill DP yeah, but killing marv is super logical too Mafia knows who vivax is going to target if DP claimed vet. They can make an educated guess that is the most logical, but they cannot be 100% sure Mafia knows some stuff tho These is what happened according to what has been posted here - vivax jailed darth punk - jsl gave a gun to darth - slam checked oats - darth is vet We know mafia didnt block slam so they pretty much blocked vivax. If we go by that, darth needs to have his vest 100% unless mafia vig vigged darth but wouldnt the jail prevent that? So darth has his vest intact. From that logic I think is obvious vivax would have protected slam the next night.
Obvious is different from 100% sure
Why not go for the 100% plan
I don't really undertand what you are arguing, that DP is scum because he wasn't roleblocked?
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On March 11 2024 13:08 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2024 12:59 Rels wrote:On March 11 2024 12:57 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 11 2024 12:52 Rels wrote:
Maybe it is as simple as VE / DMB / CC
It doesn't feel right as it's the easiest lynches. Doesn't feel right at all. But maybe it is What happened to your Palmar read dude? On March 09 2024 13:20 Rels wrote:
@Anyone does scum!Palmar fake 2 dumbtells in a single post? Taking in consideration that people have scumread DMB for dumbtelling On March 09 2024 13:22 Rels wrote:On March 09 2024 13:21 iamperfection wrote:On March 09 2024 13:20 Rels wrote:
@Anyone does scum!Palmar fake 2 dumbtells in a single post? Taking in consideration that people have scumread DMB for dumbtelling we should ask the palmar expert when he wakes up. Yeah. @marv what do you think? On March 09 2024 13:22 Rels wrote:
I don't think he does On March 09 2024 13:23 Rels wrote:On March 09 2024 06:59 Palmar wrote:
So like I'm going to try to sort of organize the game in my head, and I'm going to do it out loud, so you can watch me think. It's a fascinating display.
We probably have about 5 mafia in this game. It could be 4, but then they have very strong roles. Normal balance would suggest 5.
This means I need to start sort of filtering down the people I want to think about.
First up, the people I don't really want to lynch or even consider at all:
DarthPunk for huge filter and repeatedly liking his takes on things.
Vivax because that's the gamble we made when we didn't policy lynch him.
Then there's the weaker town reads that are definitely going to contain some mafia:
Koshi was very good early day 1, but I feel like his impact has been reduced. Still not enough to start calling him mafia
marvellosity - I kinda think he's maybe town, he did come around on me correctly, and I kinda trust sandro's read. So for what it's worth, he goes into the "worry later" pile.
Then there's the people who will be resolved by today
Slam - we lynch slam if Oats flips non-miller town. The frame idea is statistically so unlikely
Oats - we lynch Oats today because despite his efforts, there is like 90% chance of him flipping mafia. He does look and say townie things which is pretty well played, but the odds of any other random player flipping red just happen to be significantly lower
Frame math:
Slam check 1/18 (lynches + himself) players = 5.56% chance he checks Oats
Framer frames 1/14 players (21 - 2 lynches - 5 mafia) = 7.14% chance Oats gets framed
This means there's like... 0.3% chance a framer hits the same target the cop checks (but obviously intiution skews this a lot) it's still the best play to do it like that.
Actually as I write this I realize I have way too few townread, which means I really, really need to get work done. For one reason or another I don't trust any of the people below.
Jealous - lack of investigation from me, little posting
Meapak_Ziphh - lack of investigation from me, I'm masoned with the dude but I'm a terrible mason partner because I think they're stupid. That's mostly on me. I also recall some of his posting being a little meek
justanothertownie - Some really atrocious takes throughout the game. Bullshit associative reads and voting without any kind of analysis.
die_meatbaby - lack of investigation from me. I remember having a different feel from last game, but she still gets stuck on dumb shit.
CopCake - I kinda liked rayn's point during the night. Also she should really think I'm town after our discussion in the night.
JacobStrangelove - This guy is clearly just smart. I liked his posting because it's all pretty reasonable, but I feel like he isn't moving the needle at all this game. Happy sitting back and not getting listened to.
Iamperfection - One particularly terrible take during the night, but maybe he just doesn't know what a policy lynch is. I didn't follow up enough to understand if it was malicious or just kinda stupid.
ToTheStars - lurker
VisceraEyes - Fell off cliff. Where VE?
Rels - Terrible case on me on day 1 that reeked of mafia trying to "contribute". Super clear he wasn't caught up on the game and lacked opinionsþ
The 2 dumbtells are in that post ("4 or 5 mafia", "JSL could be scum even though he claimed") I might be biaised by this but I really like this Palmar post. Feels like a really genuine world view hmmm I'm gonna have to think about this. A decent chunk of my scumread on you right now comes from you seemingly abandoning your Palmar read. That said, DMB is not scum, I'm almost certain of this. If you take her out, who else do you think could be scum?
??????
Why do you scumread me because I seemingly abandoned my Palmar read, when it was in my filter, and not particularly hidden (as seen there, it's 4 posts in a row)?
To answer the last bit, just posted my pre-sleep list post, good timing
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On March 11 2024 13:09 DarthPunk wrote:
It bothers me because it just gives mafia a blueprint to keep me alive until so that the confirmed unkillable mayor will push for the wrong lynch at mylo.
It is literally that obviously bad what you are doing right now.
I also really hate the way you play this game Vivax. I'm happy that you're blue so you're confirmed, but I disagree with probably 90% of your posts. Most of the time, I don't even udnerstand where you're coming from, if it's a real thought or not, etc. Random attacks on me doesn't help too
I know you always had a whacky style of play, but in my mind it was always very effective at finding mafia hidden in the town circle. I don't see it that game
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On March 11 2024 13:15 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2024 13:11 Vivax wrote:On March 11 2024 13:09 DarthPunk wrote:
It bothers me because it just gives mafia a blueprint to keep me alive until so that the confirmed unkillable mayor will push for the wrong lynch at mylo.
It is literally that obviously bad what you are doing right now. If you are town then explain to me why Jealous and MZ can‘t be scum. I am not that confident on either of them to say they CAN'T be scum. I think that they are both town though, Jealous, his interactions in the QT were really townie and hard to fake in the moment. Clearing DMB in the way that he did for example, is something I would not expect scum to do in the way that he did. His reads have aligned with mine. His hapa=Town view early was really good and townie imo. MZ: Looks really bad in a way that makes me think he is just fearless townie saying what he believes regardless of the consequences. Has spent heaps of time scum hunting and filter diving this phase when he didn't have to and which is more than can be said for others here.
Can you expand on the Jealous thought? What was hard to fake?
Totally agree on MZ
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On March 11 2024 13:40 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2024 13:36 Rels wrote:On March 11 2024 13:08 CopCake wrote:On March 11 2024 13:00 Rels wrote:On March 11 2024 12:57 CopCake wrote:On March 11 2024 12:56 Rels wrote:On March 11 2024 12:51 CopCake wrote:
The problem is
Why not kill DP when we have
- vivax jailing Slam so his cop check doesnt work
- kill DP who is about to kill mafia TTS/Cake/DMB
If two of those are real mafia, I think blocking DP takes priority and not blocking vivax to kill slam, I mean the cop check would had been blocked.
I saw this in your filter too, in my mind it's not even a question. I mean, killing DP or not might be a question, but roleblock wise, scum HAD to RB Vivax and kill Slam Scum cannot know who Vivax will target, so that's the only plan where you get your 2 KPs + be sure there isn't another check. Any other plan, you risk having one of your KP blocked by Vivax The second KP (the marv one) could have been used to kill DP yeah, but killing marv is super logical too Mafia knows who vivax is going to target if DP claimed vet. They can make an educated guess that is the most logical, but they cannot be 100% sure Mafia knows some stuff tho These is what happened according to what has been posted here - vivax jailed darth punk - jsl gave a gun to darth - slam checked oats - darth is vet We know mafia didnt block slam so they pretty much blocked vivax. If we go by that, darth needs to have his vest 100% unless mafia vig vigged darth but wouldnt the jail prevent that? So darth has his vest intact. From that logic I think is obvious vivax would have protected slam the next night. Obvious is different from 100% sure Why not go for the 100% plan I don't really undertand what you are arguing, that DP is scum because he wasn't roleblocked? Only question is why not block a big boi who said he would kill either scum TTS/cake/DMB. I am using that to say “because there is only one mafia there and dmb and cake are town”
???
Even handwaving the way that it's not what happened (pretty DP said he was going to kill them to a lot more people last night), in your scenario, why would scum block a shot that had a 2/3 chance of killing town?
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On March 11 2024 13:44 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2024 13:41 Rels wrote:On March 11 2024 13:09 DarthPunk wrote:
It bothers me because it just gives mafia a blueprint to keep me alive until so that the confirmed unkillable mayor will push for the wrong lynch at mylo.
It is literally that obviously bad what you are doing right now. I also really hate the way you play this game Vivax. I'm happy that you're blue so you're confirmed, but I disagree with probably 90% of your posts. Most of the time, I don't even udnerstand where you're coming from, if it's a real thought or not, etc. Random attacks on me doesn't help too I know you always had a whacky style of play, but in my mind it was always very effective at finding mafia hidden in the town circle. I don't see it that game How so ? Oats was in some ways a lot townier than what we are trying to lynch. Shiny posts, lots of explanations, tenacity. Suddenly all scum are just uncooperative players ? I don‘t think so.
I agree with the general idea, actually posted more or less the same just before. It doesn't feel right that the team is simply VE / CC / DMB.
But I don't think I've read a single post of yours that makes me go "mm, that's a good point on X". Most of the time, it's just garbage logic, so bad that it feels like it's a trap for someone. But it cannot be a trap for days and days, can it?
The thing you just posted on CopCake is the perfect example.
On March 11 2024 13:40 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2024 13:37 Jealous wrote:On March 11 2024 13:34 Vivax wrote:On March 11 2024 13:27 Jealous wrote:On March 11 2024 13:22 CopCake wrote:On March 11 2024 13:18 CopCake wrote:
Darth, did my team or not conceded a game we were winning because we felt bad for Slam? This can also go to vivax so you can explain jelaous what happened that game. What's Vivax's going rate? How much does he charge to be your advocate? Why do you have to hire outside help to make your own points to justify promises you never delivered on? Should I lawyer up too at this point? Wtf. I don‘t share the opinion of half the game I must be a lawyer Sarcasm aside, I just want to know what point CopCake is trying to make and apparently you've been selected to make it, so I'm all ears. I don‘t follow but if Copcake is town here she‘s fighting a massive uphill battle so it‘s hard to sound perfectly reasonaböe.
Yes, being pressured as town is hard, sometimes town say screw it, will curse or rage at people, or make suboptimal posts, OK. But you're going to tell me that her posts today has been that way? The focus almost entirely on mechanics / who got roleblocked / what scums and what roles exist. The logic is very, very bad. Even worse than that, there is no goal to it - the only conclusion that can come from it is that DP is scum, but that conclusion is not coming out.
So Vivax, what do you see? Outside of "CC is being pushed so much she cannot be scum", why are her posts townie?
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Why is VE town, apart from "this game is too easy"?
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On March 11 2024 13:53 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2024 13:51 Rels wrote:On March 11 2024 13:40 CopCake wrote:On March 11 2024 13:36 Rels wrote:On March 11 2024 13:08 CopCake wrote:On March 11 2024 13:00 Rels wrote:On March 11 2024 12:57 CopCake wrote:On March 11 2024 12:56 Rels wrote:On March 11 2024 12:51 CopCake wrote:
The problem is
Why not kill DP when we have
- vivax jailing Slam so his cop check doesnt work
- kill DP who is about to kill mafia TTS/Cake/DMB
If two of those are real mafia, I think blocking DP takes priority and not blocking vivax to kill slam, I mean the cop check would had been blocked.
I saw this in your filter too, in my mind it's not even a question. I mean, killing DP or not might be a question, but roleblock wise, scum HAD to RB Vivax and kill Slam Scum cannot know who Vivax will target, so that's the only plan where you get your 2 KPs + be sure there isn't another check. Any other plan, you risk having one of your KP blocked by Vivax The second KP (the marv one) could have been used to kill DP yeah, but killing marv is super logical too Mafia knows who vivax is going to target if DP claimed vet. They can make an educated guess that is the most logical, but they cannot be 100% sure Mafia knows some stuff tho These is what happened according to what has been posted here - vivax jailed darth punk - jsl gave a gun to darth - slam checked oats - darth is vet We know mafia didnt block slam so they pretty much blocked vivax. If we go by that, darth needs to have his vest 100% unless mafia vig vigged darth but wouldnt the jail prevent that? So darth has his vest intact. From that logic I think is obvious vivax would have protected slam the next night. Obvious is different from 100% sure Why not go for the 100% plan I don't really undertand what you are arguing, that DP is scum because he wasn't roleblocked? Only question is why not block a big boi who said he would kill either scum TTS/cake/DMB. I am using that to say “because there is only one mafia there and dmb and cake are town” ??? Even handwaving the way that it's not what happened (pretty DP said he was going to kill them to a lot more people last night), in your scenario, why would scum block a shot that had a 2/3 chance of killing town? Go sleep, you have interviews, gonna answer this maybe later.
Thanks, this game is fucking addictive when you finally have some flips lol
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On March 11 2024 13:56 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2024 13:43 Rels wrote:On March 11 2024 13:15 DarthPunk wrote:On March 11 2024 13:11 Vivax wrote:On March 11 2024 13:09 DarthPunk wrote:
It bothers me because it just gives mafia a blueprint to keep me alive until so that the confirmed unkillable mayor will push for the wrong lynch at mylo.
It is literally that obviously bad what you are doing right now. If you are town then explain to me why Jealous and MZ can‘t be scum. I am not that confident on either of them to say they CAN'T be scum. I think that they are both town though, Jealous, his interactions in the QT were really townie and hard to fake in the moment. Clearing DMB in the way that he did for example, is something I would not expect scum to do in the way that he did. His reads have aligned with mine. His hapa=Town view early was really good and townie imo. MZ: Looks really bad in a way that makes me think he is just fearless townie saying what he believes regardless of the consequences. Has spent heaps of time scum hunting and filter diving this phase when he didn't have to and which is more than can be said for others here. Can you expand on the Jealous thought? What was hard to fake? Totally agree on MZ Just the level of interaction and thought processes that made sense, we talked ALOT in our discord chat, and aside from the one thing that bothered me he came across as townie to me. For example, he really really wanted oats to be lynched and thought he was mafia, and thought that the people not wanting to lynch oats were fishing for scum. Not once did he want to not lynch oats/ Just a whole bunch of really townie takes that I don't think make sense for him. I also don't think his positing on copcake makes any sense if they are partnered.
Thanks. Can't comment on the Discord stuff obviously, but I feel like the "people not voting Oats are suspicious" can be a posture or mantra that's easy to follow as scum
I didn't like that he went this way against Koshi and Vivax D2 but didn't really have an objective to where he would take him. Even though to my knowledge he didn't get a satisfactory answer, I don't think he got a conclusion on Koshi. I might be wrong (missed the last 24 hours before I came back)
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On March 11 2024 14:03 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2024 14:00 Rels wrote:On March 11 2024 13:44 Vivax wrote:On March 11 2024 13:41 Rels wrote:On March 11 2024 13:09 DarthPunk wrote:
It bothers me because it just gives mafia a blueprint to keep me alive until so that the confirmed unkillable mayor will push for the wrong lynch at mylo.
It is literally that obviously bad what you are doing right now. I also really hate the way you play this game Vivax. I'm happy that you're blue so you're confirmed, but I disagree with probably 90% of your posts. Most of the time, I don't even udnerstand where you're coming from, if it's a real thought or not, etc. Random attacks on me doesn't help too I know you always had a whacky style of play, but in my mind it was always very effective at finding mafia hidden in the town circle. I don't see it that game How so ? Oats was in some ways a lot townier than what we are trying to lynch. Shiny posts, lots of explanations, tenacity. Suddenly all scum are just uncooperative players ? I don‘t think so. I agree with the general idea, actually posted more or less the same just before. It doesn't feel right that the team is simply VE / CC / DMB. But I don't think I've read a single post of yours that makes me go "mm, that's a good point on X". Most of the time, it's just garbage logic, so bad that it feels like it's a trap for someone. But it cannot be a trap for days and days, can it? The thing you just posted on CopCake is the perfect example. On March 11 2024 13:40 Vivax wrote:On March 11 2024 13:37 Jealous wrote:On March 11 2024 13:34 Vivax wrote:On March 11 2024 13:27 Jealous wrote:On March 11 2024 13:22 CopCake wrote:On March 11 2024 13:18 CopCake wrote:
Darth, did my team or not conceded a game we were winning because we felt bad for Slam? This can also go to vivax so you can explain jelaous what happened that game. What's Vivax's going rate? How much does he charge to be your advocate? Why do you have to hire outside help to make your own points to justify promises you never delivered on? Should I lawyer up too at this point? Wtf. I don‘t share the opinion of half the game I must be a lawyer Sarcasm aside, I just want to know what point CopCake is trying to make and apparently you've been selected to make it, so I'm all ears. I don‘t follow but if Copcake is town here she‘s fighting a massive uphill battle so it‘s hard to sound perfectly reasonaböe. Yes, being pressured as town is hard, sometimes town say screw it, will curse or rage at people, or make suboptimal posts, OK. But you're going to tell me that her posts today has been that way? The focus almost entirely on mechanics / who got roleblocked / what scums and what roles exist. The logic is very, very bad. Even worse than that, there is no goal to it - the only conclusion that can come from it is that DP is scum, but that conclusion is not coming out. So Vivax, what do you see? Outside of "CC is being pushed so much she cannot be scum", why are her posts townie? I‘d rather have you see what makes Mz and jealous mafia. And I wrote why
If you want my take before I go to sleep, link or quote?
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On March 11 2024 12:16 Vivax wrote:
Jealous great effort but posting so much is scummy when he should already think Cop and Ve are tied.
I think he’s ignoring the shitfest around him to hide in plain sight by being performative, unlike ve and palmar.
Also still not acknowledging cop fought the claim just as hard as jat.
Adjusting vote to Jealous.
Mz, Dp, Jealous.
Koshi traitor
Cop vengeful
No vet in game
My guess atm
Found this on Jealous, pretty stupid logic TBH? The easy way for scum when there are clear wagons that you can't control is to AFK. Of course activity doesn't make him town by itself (I actually think he could be scum!!!), but scumreading him for that???
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On March 08 2024 11:19 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2024 11:09 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 08 2024 11:06 Vivax wrote:On March 08 2024 11:04 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 08 2024 11:00 Vivax wrote:On March 08 2024 10:56 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 07 2024 23:18 marvellosity wrote:On March 07 2024 22:56 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Everyone who has called into question Slam's check in anyway is instantly less town to me. That starts with copcake but also includes you now Koshi. It's got the vibe of a scum team that left slam alive thinking he wasn't gonna find any of them and are now mad that he's better than they thought.
If Oats flips VT we can revisit this but right now these posts only serve as opening the door for Oats to get out of the lynch.
Also funny your push was onto me Koshi when I'm the same lynch Oats tried to push as the alternative to him. Do you really think mafia think they can wiggle out of a red check? I think the opposite to you. I think mafia absolutely rolls with the red check. BING BING BING I FOUND IT. Crazy how you set up the premise of scum just rolling with a red check and I come back to the thread to find eveyrone looking for reasons not to lynch a red check. How convenient. What do you want to say ? I'm missing the point. Either he isn't right or he is. I don't know what Oats will flip. Well then lets flip oats and find out, this absolutely reeks of big plays going on for scum and I can't figure out which is legit scum and which is dumb town letting their egos think they know better than an un ccd blue role with a red check. honestly some of you just love the smell of your own farts That doesn't answer it. What does it mean for marv if he says that? What do you see that others can't? I've had my metas suspicions of marv for a while now but I'm not comfortable putting him higher than say VE yet but it certainly doesn't help my read of him. but what I can see that apparently others can is um idk.... a fucking red check/ I literally talked about this exact thing this morning. MZ here is doing what marv said mafia would be doing. He assumes Oats is redchecked. Ezpz. Then he points out how a group of players is not doing what marv said scum would be doing and says he suspects them. Then he calls marv suspicious for pointing it out. So in MZ world marv is mafia and his teammates are all doing the opposite of what marv said they would do and MZ thinks he found something yet he does exactly what marv said a mafia would be doing and says Oats is the only logical choice.
You think MZ doubts and attitude towards the D2 lynch was scummy? The full of doubts and changing is mind, etc.? That's crazy to me
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On March 11 2024 14:17 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2024 14:06 Rels wrote:On March 11 2024 13:56 DarthPunk wrote:On March 11 2024 13:43 Rels wrote:On March 11 2024 13:15 DarthPunk wrote:On March 11 2024 13:11 Vivax wrote:On March 11 2024 13:09 DarthPunk wrote:
It bothers me because it just gives mafia a blueprint to keep me alive until so that the confirmed unkillable mayor will push for the wrong lynch at mylo.
It is literally that obviously bad what you are doing right now. If you are town then explain to me why Jealous and MZ can‘t be scum. I am not that confident on either of them to say they CAN'T be scum. I think that they are both town though, Jealous, his interactions in the QT were really townie and hard to fake in the moment. Clearing DMB in the way that he did for example, is something I would not expect scum to do in the way that he did. His reads have aligned with mine. His hapa=Town view early was really good and townie imo. MZ: Looks really bad in a way that makes me think he is just fearless townie saying what he believes regardless of the consequences. Has spent heaps of time scum hunting and filter diving this phase when he didn't have to and which is more than can be said for others here. Can you expand on the Jealous thought? What was hard to fake? Totally agree on MZ Just the level of interaction and thought processes that made sense, we talked ALOT in our discord chat, and aside from the one thing that bothered me he came across as townie to me. For example, he really really wanted oats to be lynched and thought he was mafia, and thought that the people not wanting to lynch oats were fishing for scum. Not once did he want to not lynch oats/ Just a whole bunch of really townie takes that I don't think make sense for him. I also don't think his positing on copcake makes any sense if they are partnered. Thanks. Can't comment on the Discord stuff obviously, but I feel like the "people not voting Oats are suspicious" can be a posture or mantra that's easy to follow as scum I didn't like that he went this way against Koshi and Vivax D2 but didn't really have an objective to where he would take him. Even though to my knowledge he didn't get a satisfactory answer, I don't think he got a conclusion on Koshi. I might be wrong (missed the last 24 hours before I came back) I'd appreciate if you could point to where I "went this way" against Koshi and what you didn't like about it. I know you're busy though so I'm fine waiting, and again, GL with your interviews. About Vivax, I'm putting off doing the math in my head because right now I have him as a default town read (as per my post), but I wanted to know why he was pushing for a VE second wagon (especially now that we have a confirm on Oats' alignment). He answered that to my satisfaction (he believes both lynches were scum), but he also threw in an accusation toward me. I have addressed this accusation multiple times including a question toward him, but he did not answer. After having brought it up again, I still got no answer. So, what's the point if he's just going to dodge? Just putting that one in the ol' memory banks for when we get rid of people that I find more likely to be scum (Cop and VE), if I stay alive long enough.
Let me see if I didn't make a mistake, but I'm pretty sure that's the thing we talked about yesterday
Was actually 2 days ago
On March 09 2024 15:16 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2024 15:07 Jealous wrote:On March 09 2024 14:57 Rels wrote:On March 08 2024 11:06 Jealous wrote:On March 08 2024 10:57 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
You can't all be scum, some of you just have to be dumb. The tricky part is figuring out which is which. Kinda where I'm at, but I'm also thinking it might be smart!town throwing some seeds out there to see who shows up to pick at them. I kinda feel like Koshi and Vivac would generally be too smart to do something so stupid without a reason. Feel like it's been a few hours and beers in me by now so I feel comfortable saying that the bait would already be getting moldy, so no harm in my outing my suspicions that some of these baby wagon attempts are just that: little experiments to see who reacts how. What are you talking about in the last paragraph? Did you do something in order to bait reactions? If yes, what were those things and what were the results you got from them? My initial impression was that Koshi and Vivax were not dumb enough to go against a cop-claimed Alakazam's reveal on scum!Oats, but suddenly here they were, pushing other wagons out of nowhere. So, by eliminating the dumb option, the "smart" option is that Vivax and Koshi are just throwing out bait to see who bites and what those decisions result in. Like running an experiment. However, several hours later I figured the "experiments" (if that's what they were) had already run their course to some extent so I wouldn't be contaminating the results by outing my suspicion that this is what they were doing. This was further bolstered by alcohol in the system. Kinda regretting it now though because I would have loved to see how Koshi and Vivax would have justified their wagon attempts without my saying anything. Now that you know it was real, what do you think of them?
On March 09 2024 15:20 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2024 15:16 Rels wrote:On March 09 2024 15:07 Jealous wrote:On March 09 2024 14:57 Rels wrote:On March 08 2024 11:06 Jealous wrote:On March 08 2024 10:57 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
You can't all be scum, some of you just have to be dumb. The tricky part is figuring out which is which. Kinda where I'm at, but I'm also thinking it might be smart!town throwing some seeds out there to see who shows up to pick at them. I kinda feel like Koshi and Vivac would generally be too smart to do something so stupid without a reason. Feel like it's been a few hours and beers in me by now so I feel comfortable saying that the bait would already be getting moldy, so no harm in my outing my suspicions that some of these baby wagon attempts are just that: little experiments to see who reacts how. What are you talking about in the last paragraph? Did you do something in order to bait reactions? If yes, what were those things and what were the results you got from them? My initial impression was that Koshi and Vivax were not dumb enough to go against a cop-claimed Alakazam's reveal on scum!Oats, but suddenly here they were, pushing other wagons out of nowhere. So, by eliminating the dumb option, the "smart" option is that Vivax and Koshi are just throwing out bait to see who bites and what those decisions result in. Like running an experiment. However, several hours later I figured the "experiments" (if that's what they were) had already run their course to some extent so I wouldn't be contaminating the results by outing my suspicion that this is what they were doing. This was further bolstered by alcohol in the system. Kinda regretting it now though because I would have loved to see how Koshi and Vivax would have justified their wagon attempts without my saying anything. Now that you know it was real, what do you think of them? Would prefer to hear the aforementioned justifications first, even if they've been diluted. Last one fr fr
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Yeah Vivax I got your position and I agree, you actually put into words something I also kind of felt
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On March 11 2024 14:21 Rels wrote:
Yeah Vivax I got your position and I agree, you actually put into words something I also kind of felt
This is very unclear lol, so rephrased:
"Yeah JSL, I got your position on Vivax and I agree"
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