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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
March 05 2024 22:07 GMT
#2321
Hey I can be good as mafia. But that usually involves taking control of the thread and bullying people, because I also do that as town when I feel like it.
Computer says mafia
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
March 05 2024 22:08 GMT
#2322
Vote: JAT

Talk to me about someone that isn't palmar or vivax.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
March 05 2024 22:08 GMT
#2323
For the people thinking this was a good post by Palmar.

why marv should not be called mafia:
1) marv has a 7 page filter and is actually playing. That alone is enough to not call him mafia D1.
2) Palmar admits the first vote is legit on him. So that means marv came out of hiding to post a legit vote that would and could mean he had to play hard for the rest of the game if town!Palmar brought his A game. It is less likely Mafia!marv would do that because he cba. Town!marv would come out because he thinks it is the best thing to do for town. So this also leans towards a town!marv. This alone would be a good reason not to vote marv D1.
3) marv being wrong on Palmar means fuck all for his alignment. Last game, with Palmar and marv, they both wrongly tunneled Tfrel and Sandroba for 3 days straight, and townread mebaby. They were wrong 3 times, for 3 days. Both didn't catch scum rayn for those 3 days. Maybe I am slightly exaggerating but not too much. So don't think marv is flawless and it makes him mafia.

Why Palmar is mafia:
4) His reads are not good enough. The Oats read; which was at that time his top 1 mafia, was opportunistic and badly thought out. His marv read is just OMGUS and trying to discredit the person who leads his wagon.
5) He can play as a town leader, so him playing like a weasel this game points towards mafia.
6) Doing better is not hard when you start at the bottom of bottoms. It's a horrible point people are making. (calling out DP). He is at his best in this game still doing worse than he did in the previous game.

Kill Palmar.
I had a good night of sleep.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16318 Posts
March 05 2024 22:09 GMT
#2324
On March 06 2024 07:05 DarthPunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2024 07:03 justanothertownie wrote:
On March 06 2024 06:58 DarthPunk wrote:
On March 06 2024 06:46 justanothertownie wrote:
On March 06 2024 06:45 DarthPunk wrote:
On March 06 2024 06:44 Koshi wrote:
Palmar and Hapa guys.
It's good enough fir D1.


Palmar looks way better though.

How?


The main reason to lynch him was the fact he was being a lazy bastard and not scumhunting or doing anything at all when ostensibly day one is supposed to be his best day.

So, he was a clear lynch going to bed last night my time.

Now that I have started to catch up again, he has just been scumhunting and trying to solve the game as much as he can before he dies.

This is generally the number one way that people are town when they are going to be lynched, just get as much info in the thread.

I think his tone has looked good since he started trying, particularly the joy that he had when he got the same scumread on you with sandro at the same time.

Now you could say that he is faking this level of engagement as mafia, but I happen to have first hand experience that palmar is absolutely terrible and lazy as mafia and I don't buy it.

I think as mafia he would have not coasted so obviously only to then scum hunt and fake mindmelds later on, probably he would just fakeclaim something and roll the dice that way.

Anyway I am not lynching 5 page palmar who is scumhunting and mindmelding with sandro day one.

I just need to figure out who we are lynching instead.

Like, why not you for example, in the obs you were really smart and here you are thoroughly underwhelming.

I am utterly unconvinced. Palmar can absolutely play a decent mafia game and he has not done anything recently that would be hard to fake. What has he solved? He is just going after the people who voted for him.


Find me one decent mafia game he has played then I will read it and decide.

as it is I am still not lynching him today.

I suggest you tell me why we should lynch trfel over yourself.

I will not go through the database at this time of day to prove something everyone already knows...
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16318 Posts
March 05 2024 22:10 GMT
#2325
On March 06 2024 07:07 Palmar wrote:
Hey I can be good as mafia. But that usually involves taking control of the thread and bullying people, because I also do that as town when I feel like it.

q.e.d.
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
March 05 2024 22:10 GMT
#2326
On March 06 2024 07:09 justanothertownie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2024 07:05 DarthPunk wrote:
On March 06 2024 07:03 justanothertownie wrote:
On March 06 2024 06:58 DarthPunk wrote:
On March 06 2024 06:46 justanothertownie wrote:
On March 06 2024 06:45 DarthPunk wrote:
On March 06 2024 06:44 Koshi wrote:
Palmar and Hapa guys.
It's good enough fir D1.


Palmar looks way better though.

How?


The main reason to lynch him was the fact he was being a lazy bastard and not scumhunting or doing anything at all when ostensibly day one is supposed to be his best day.

So, he was a clear lynch going to bed last night my time.

Now that I have started to catch up again, he has just been scumhunting and trying to solve the game as much as he can before he dies.

This is generally the number one way that people are town when they are going to be lynched, just get as much info in the thread.

I think his tone has looked good since he started trying, particularly the joy that he had when he got the same scumread on you with sandro at the same time.

Now you could say that he is faking this level of engagement as mafia, but I happen to have first hand experience that palmar is absolutely terrible and lazy as mafia and I don't buy it.

I think as mafia he would have not coasted so obviously only to then scum hunt and fake mindmelds later on, probably he would just fakeclaim something and roll the dice that way.

Anyway I am not lynching 5 page palmar who is scumhunting and mindmelding with sandro day one.

I just need to figure out who we are lynching instead.

Like, why not you for example, in the obs you were really smart and here you are thoroughly underwhelming.

I am utterly unconvinced. Palmar can absolutely play a decent mafia game and he has not done anything recently that would be hard to fake. What has he solved? He is just going after the people who voted for him.


Find me one decent mafia game he has played then I will read it and decide.

as it is I am still not lynching him today.

I suggest you tell me why we should lynch trfel over yourself.

I will not go through the database at this time of day to prove something everyone already knows...


Clearly not everybody.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
March 05 2024 22:11 GMT
#2327
I just hadn't read the thread all that much Koshi when I talked about Oats.

I've backed off it now.

But you know, I don't really think I can convince you so I'm not really going to try. You have a hardon for killing me, did your best last game as well.

Which is why I always come back to marv, I SHOULD be able to convince him to at least think I'm town.

Will you do the hypothetical Koshi? Assume I'm town and flip, what changes in your stance on the game?
Computer says mafia
Jealous
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10140 Posts
March 05 2024 22:11 GMT
#2328
On March 06 2024 06:36 Palmar wrote:
I guess it's become my duty to play spot the mafia.

VE looks a little worse btw

Can you elaborate? I had to catch up on a lot of stuff but I don't think I saw too many concrete examples of things I'd consider to be outright bad. VE is one of the people I haven't felt too strongly about while reading their posts so I'm wondering what you're seeing and what I'm missing as I draft my reads.
"The right to vote is only the oar of the slaveship, I wanna be free." -- бум бум сучка!
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16318 Posts
March 05 2024 22:11 GMT
#2329
On March 06 2024 07:08 DarthPunk wrote:
Vote: JAT

Talk to me about someone that isn't palmar or vivax.

Like what? Trfel is in my POE. Not the worst lynch if it comes to it but I really see no reason to abandon this Palmar lynch right now.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
March 05 2024 22:11 GMT
#2330
On March 06 2024 04:57 Grackaroni wrote:
Palmar (7) : marvellosity, justanothertownie, Alakaslam, sandroba, DarthPunk, Koshi, raynpelikoneet, Trfel



Updated.

Any reason we shouldn't kill TTS?
I'm not discounting that Palmar could flip mafia especially if marv is town but it has the touch of a vanity wagon and Trfel's vote is lazy bussing in that case.

I won't fight it but a counterwagon is pointless atp because we got scum with shaky knees apparently.
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
March 05 2024 22:12 GMT
#2331
Marv being wrong on me is pretty bad compared to him being wrong about most other people. There's like maybe 2-3 people he knows as well as me here.
Computer says mafia
Jealous
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10140 Posts
March 05 2024 22:13 GMT
#2332
Whoops, should have refreshed the page before posting. Catching up again.
"The right to vote is only the oar of the slaveship, I wanna be free." -- бум бум сучка!
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
March 05 2024 22:13 GMT
#2333
On March 06 2024 07:08 Koshi wrote:
For the people thinking this was a good post by Palmar.

why marv should not be called mafia:
1) marv has a 7 page filter and is actually playing. That alone is enough to not call him mafia D1.
2) Palmar admits the first vote is legit on him. So that means marv came out of hiding to post a legit vote that would and could mean he had to play hard for the rest of the game if town!Palmar brought his A game. It is less likely Mafia!marv would do that because he cba. Town!marv would come out because he thinks it is the best thing to do for town. So this also leans towards a town!marv. This alone would be a good reason not to vote marv D1.
3) marv being wrong on Palmar means fuck all for his alignment. Last game, with Palmar and marv, they both wrongly tunneled Tfrel and Sandroba for 3 days straight, and townread mebaby. They were wrong 3 times, for 3 days. Both didn't catch scum rayn for those 3 days. Maybe I am slightly exaggerating but not too much. So don't think marv is flawless and it makes him mafia.

Why Palmar is mafia:
4) His reads are not good enough. The Oats read; which was at that time his top 1 mafia, was opportunistic and badly thought out. His marv read is just OMGUS and trying to discredit the person who leads his wagon.
5) He can play as a town leader, so him playing like a weasel this game points towards mafia.
6) Doing better is not hard when you start at the bottom of bottoms. It's a horrible point people are making. (calling out DP). He is at his best in this game still doing worse than he did in the previous game.

Kill Palmar.


Koshi if Palmar is town, after last game you realise he SHOULD be scum reading marv because marv prides himself on being the palmar whisperer and saving him from being mislynched etc.

so in this game, assuming palmar is town and marv seems to just be coasting to a palmar lynch here, town!palmar is always going to read marv as mafia.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
March 05 2024 22:13 GMT
#2334
On March 06 2024 07:11 Palmar wrote:
I just hadn't read the thread all that much Koshi when I talked about Oats.

I've backed off it now.

But you know, I don't really think I can convince you so I'm not really going to try. You have a hardon for killing me, did your best last game as well.

Which is why I always come back to marv, I SHOULD be able to convince him to at least think I'm town.

Will you do the hypothetical Koshi? Assume I'm town and flip, what changes in your stance on the game?

I didn't try to kill you that hard last game. I was sheeping marv and saying mebaby should be killed. Only during the night I went from mebaby&rayn to mebaby&you because rayn was nice to me.

You should be able to convince him. But you didn't try.

You are now trying. When he isn't here. And more likely asleep.

You should have tried when he was there. And you utterly failed and I don't blame marv.
I had a good night of sleep.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21972 Posts
March 05 2024 22:14 GMT
#2335
On March 06 2024 07:08 Koshi wrote:
For the people thinking this was a good post by Palmar.

why marv should not be called mafia:
1) marv has a 7 page filter and is actually playing. That alone is enough to not call him mafia D1.
2) Palmar admits the first vote is legit on him. So that means marv came out of hiding to post a legit vote that would and could mean he had to play hard for the rest of the game if town!Palmar brought his A game. It is less likely Mafia!marv would do that because he cba. Town!marv would come out because he thinks it is the best thing to do for town. So this also leans towards a town!marv. This alone would be a good reason not to vote marv D1.
3) marv being wrong on Palmar means fuck all for his alignment. Last game, with Palmar and marv, they both wrongly tunneled Tfrel and Sandroba for 3 days straight, and townread mebaby. They were wrong 3 times, for 3 days. Both didn't catch scum rayn for those 3 days. Maybe I am slightly exaggerating but not too much. So don't think marv is flawless and it makes him mafia.

Why Palmar is mafia:
4) His reads are not good enough. The Oats read; which was at that time his top 1 mafia, was opportunistic and badly thought out. His marv read is just OMGUS and trying to discredit the person who leads his wagon.
5) He can play as a town leader, so him playing like a weasel this game points towards mafia.
6) Doing better is not hard when you start at the bottom of bottoms. It's a horrible point people are making. (calling out DP). He is at his best in this game still doing worse than he did in the previous game.

Kill Palmar.


Koshi can you give me a comprehensive readslist I can sheep for the rest of the game without having to think?
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
March 05 2024 22:15 GMT
#2336
On March 06 2024 07:13 DarthPunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2024 07:08 Koshi wrote:
For the people thinking this was a good post by Palmar.

why marv should not be called mafia:
1) marv has a 7 page filter and is actually playing. That alone is enough to not call him mafia D1.
2) Palmar admits the first vote is legit on him. So that means marv came out of hiding to post a legit vote that would and could mean he had to play hard for the rest of the game if town!Palmar brought his A game. It is less likely Mafia!marv would do that because he cba. Town!marv would come out because he thinks it is the best thing to do for town. So this also leans towards a town!marv. This alone would be a good reason not to vote marv D1.
3) marv being wrong on Palmar means fuck all for his alignment. Last game, with Palmar and marv, they both wrongly tunneled Tfrel and Sandroba for 3 days straight, and townread mebaby. They were wrong 3 times, for 3 days. Both didn't catch scum rayn for those 3 days. Maybe I am slightly exaggerating but not too much. So don't think marv is flawless and it makes him mafia.

Why Palmar is mafia:
4) His reads are not good enough. The Oats read; which was at that time his top 1 mafia, was opportunistic and badly thought out. His marv read is just OMGUS and trying to discredit the person who leads his wagon.
5) He can play as a town leader, so him playing like a weasel this game points towards mafia.
6) Doing better is not hard when you start at the bottom of bottoms. It's a horrible point people are making. (calling out DP). He is at his best in this game still doing worse than he did in the previous game.

Kill Palmar.


Koshi if Palmar is town, after last game you realise he SHOULD be scum reading marv because marv prides himself on being the palmar whisperer and saving him from being mislynched etc.

so in this game, assuming palmar is town and marv seems to just be coasting to a palmar lynch here, town!palmar is always going to read marv as mafia.

Why now? Why not 2-3 hours ago
I had a good night of sleep.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16318 Posts
March 05 2024 22:15 GMT
#2337
On March 06 2024 07:08 Koshi wrote:
For the people thinking this was a good post by Palmar.

why marv should not be called mafia:
1) marv has a 7 page filter and is actually playing. That alone is enough to not call him mafia D1.
2) Palmar admits the first vote is legit on him. So that means marv came out of hiding to post a legit vote that would and could mean he had to play hard for the rest of the game if town!Palmar brought his A game. It is less likely Mafia!marv would do that because he cba. Town!marv would come out because he thinks it is the best thing to do for town. So this also leans towards a town!marv. This alone would be a good reason not to vote marv D1.
3) marv being wrong on Palmar means fuck all for his alignment. Last game, with Palmar and marv, they both wrongly tunneled Tfrel and Sandroba for 3 days straight, and townread mebaby. They were wrong 3 times, for 3 days. Both didn't catch scum rayn for those 3 days. Maybe I am slightly exaggerating but not too much. So don't think marv is flawless and it makes him mafia.

Why Palmar is mafia:
4) His reads are not good enough. The Oats read; which was at that time his top 1 mafia, was opportunistic and badly thought out. His marv read is just OMGUS and trying to discredit the person who leads his wagon.
5) He can play as a town leader, so him playing like a weasel this game points towards mafia.
6) Doing better is not hard when you start at the bottom of bottoms. It's a horrible point people are making. (calling out DP). He is at his best in this game still doing worse than he did in the previous game.

Kill Palmar.

Yeah, but to add onto that marvs read on Palmar is actually really good. Evidence: also last game. And many before.
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
March 05 2024 22:16 GMT
#2338
On March 06 2024 06:58 DarthPunk wrote:

The main reason to lynch him was the fact he was being a lazy bastard and not scumhunting or doing anything at all when ostensibly day one is supposed to be his best day.

So, he was a clear lynch going to bed last night my time.

Now that I have started to catch up again, he has just been scumhunting and trying to solve the game as much as he can before he dies.

This is generally the number one way that people are town when they are going to be lynched, just get as much info in the thread.

I think his tone has looked good since he started trying, particularly the joy that he had when he got the same scumread on you with sandro at the same time.

Now you could say that he is faking this level of engagement as mafia, but I happen to have first hand experience that palmar is absolutely terrible and lazy as mafia and I don't buy it.

I think as mafia he would have not coasted so obviously only to then scum hunt and fake mindmelds later on, probably he would just fakeclaim something and roll the dice that way.

Anyway I am not lynching 5 page palmar who is scumhunting and mindmelding with sandro day one.

I just need to figure out who we are lynching instead.

Like, why not you for example, in the obs you were really smart and here you are thoroughly underwhelming.


Btw, yes I know I'm biased because I'm being defended. But this is EXTREMELY good reasoning for me being town. The bolded stuff, that is. I don't agree with his other points. I can do well as scum and I would probably never fakeclaim anything as mafia on day 1.

I'm mostly emphasizing this because it makes DP look really, really good. He's not just correct about my alignment, he is correct for (mostly) the right reasons.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
March 05 2024 22:16 GMT
#2339
On March 06 2024 07:15 justanothertownie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2024 07:08 Koshi wrote:
For the people thinking this was a good post by Palmar.

why marv should not be called mafia:
1) marv has a 7 page filter and is actually playing. That alone is enough to not call him mafia D1.
2) Palmar admits the first vote is legit on him. So that means marv came out of hiding to post a legit vote that would and could mean he had to play hard for the rest of the game if town!Palmar brought his A game. It is less likely Mafia!marv would do that because he cba. Town!marv would come out because he thinks it is the best thing to do for town. So this also leans towards a town!marv. This alone would be a good reason not to vote marv D1.
3) marv being wrong on Palmar means fuck all for his alignment. Last game, with Palmar and marv, they both wrongly tunneled Tfrel and Sandroba for 3 days straight, and townread mebaby. They were wrong 3 times, for 3 days. Both didn't catch scum rayn for those 3 days. Maybe I am slightly exaggerating but not too much. So don't think marv is flawless and it makes him mafia.

Why Palmar is mafia:
4) His reads are not good enough. The Oats read; which was at that time his top 1 mafia, was opportunistic and badly thought out. His marv read is just OMGUS and trying to discredit the person who leads his wagon.
5) He can play as a town leader, so him playing like a weasel this game points towards mafia.
6) Doing better is not hard when you start at the bottom of bottoms. It's a horrible point people are making. (calling out DP). He is at his best in this game still doing worse than he did in the previous game.

Kill Palmar.

Yeah, but to add onto that marvs read on Palmar is actually really good. Evidence: also last game. And many before.

So when I flip town you tunnel marv?

Good.
Computer says mafia
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
March 05 2024 22:16 GMT
#2340
On March 06 2024 07:11 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2024 04:57 Grackaroni wrote:
Palmar (7) : marvellosity, justanothertownie, Alakaslam, sandroba, DarthPunk, Koshi, raynpelikoneet, Trfel



Updated.

Any reason we shouldn't kill TTS?
I'm not discounting that Palmar could flip mafia especially if marv is town but it has the touch of a vanity wagon and Trfel's vote is lazy bussing in that case.

I won't fight it but a counterwagon is pointless atp because we got scum with shaky knees apparently.


TTS is a really easy lynch here. I really didn't want to lynch them day one, just because its a new player to the site, but they are my backup wagon right now, just cause its easy and they won't be modkilled.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
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