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On March 06 2024 07:24 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 21:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Well for instance you could try toget people to actually vote for Koshi, or try to get a read on me, marv, sandroba, iamp, palmar who all are on par with Koshi level. WTF is this post btw.
Not great but kinda in character. rayn loves to focus on "big name" players a lot.
My concern with him is:
a) his unquestioning of marv
b) that feeling I get when rayn posts a lot but doesn't really say much.
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On March 06 2024 07:25 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 21:30 Koshi wrote:On March 05 2024 11:13 sandroba wrote:On March 05 2024 10:58 DarthPunk wrote:On March 05 2024 10:54 sandroba wrote:
I feel like it's harder to argue against vivax mayor as mafia. Rels and palmar both entered the thread with that mindset. Pretty much ignored most of what happened for most of the thread but making sure they say what they were supposed to say as town about the vivax claim as soon as possible.
There are obviously town reasons to mayor vivax, but there is some reluctance I expect from townies. I think the over-eagerness to jump on the vivax train right away points to mafia. Hard disagree. I find people who just accept it for what it is and make the correct play in regards to him is townie. The scummy thing is talking around in circles about how shit vivax’s claim was, that he might not be town or if he is he is not confirmed It’s a huge waste of time and shits up the thread and is also incredibly easy content to fake. I found palmars approach to the situation very townie for example Are you still lock town on trfel btw? Didn't see much of people saying he might not be town. Shitting up the thread discussing the claim being bad I agree, CopCake is the main person I saw driving the discussion back to that. I think saying he is prob town and prob not the best mayor, at least initially is the reaction I would expect from townies. Remember, even though scum might not want something, it's hard to actually push something when you think it would be obvious anti-town. Scum wants to hide and push things in a subtle way. Not locked town on trfel since he hasn't been very active, but wouldn't lynch him d1 in a million years. What he has posted so far after the initial setup-focused posts looked super townie to me. I really really really don't see that. Last game I was so sure he was town. What is he doing here? Everytime he gets pressured he moves away from it. Slam asks him about Oats. He gives a good answer but it lacks conviction. It looks way more as a mafia seeing Town!Oats be inquisitive than a townie figuring out Town!Oats is inquisitive. Slam then pressures on and while replying to somebody else he @slam and disengages with him. This can't be the same Tfrel as last game? You went 4 days with him. Under pressure by marv/DP/rayn iirc. This looks the same to you? I should follow your lead on him but it seems impossible. This is a good post. Probably trfel is mafia.
Yeah maybe but CC and sandroba are town and they are townreading tfrel. So don't fuck up their game and lynch Tfrel over Hapa and Palmar.
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On March 06 2024 07:19 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 07:13 DarthPunk wrote:On March 06 2024 07:08 Koshi wrote:
For the people thinking this was a good post by Palmar.
why marv should not be called mafia:
1) marv has a 7 page filter and is actually playing. That alone is enough to not call him mafia D1.
2) Palmar admits the first vote is legit on him. So that means marv came out of hiding to post a legit vote that would and could mean he had to play hard for the rest of the game if town!Palmar brought his A game. It is less likely Mafia!marv would do that because he cba. Town!marv would come out because he thinks it is the best thing to do for town. So this also leans towards a town!marv. This alone would be a good reason not to vote marv D1.
3) marv being wrong on Palmar means fuck all for his alignment. Last game, with Palmar and marv, they both wrongly tunneled Tfrel and Sandroba for 3 days straight, and townread mebaby. They were wrong 3 times, for 3 days. Both didn't catch scum rayn for those 3 days. Maybe I am slightly exaggerating but not too much. So don't think marv is flawless and it makes him mafia.
Why Palmar is mafia:
4) His reads are not good enough. The Oats read; which was at that time his top 1 mafia, was opportunistic and badly thought out. His marv read is just OMGUS and trying to discredit the person who leads his wagon.
5) He can play as a town leader, so him playing like a weasel this game points towards mafia.
6) Doing better is not hard when you start at the bottom of bottoms. It's a horrible point people are making. (calling out DP). He is at his best in this game still doing worse than he did in the previous game.
Kill Palmar. Koshi if Palmar is town, after last game you realise he SHOULD be scum reading marv because marv prides himself on being the palmar whisperer and saving him from being mislynched etc. so in this game, assuming palmar is town and marv seems to just be coasting to a palmar lynch here, town!palmar is always going to read marv as mafia. Scum marv knows he will not easily be able to mislynch town Palmar. And I really really doubt he would ever try needlessly since he hates putting effort in as mafia.
I don;t buy this at all sorry. Palmar was a really easy mislynch here.
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On March 06 2024 07:27 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 07:25 DarthPunk wrote:On March 05 2024 21:30 Koshi wrote:On March 05 2024 11:13 sandroba wrote:On March 05 2024 10:58 DarthPunk wrote:On March 05 2024 10:54 sandroba wrote:
I feel like it's harder to argue against vivax mayor as mafia. Rels and palmar both entered the thread with that mindset. Pretty much ignored most of what happened for most of the thread but making sure they say what they were supposed to say as town about the vivax claim as soon as possible.
There are obviously town reasons to mayor vivax, but there is some reluctance I expect from townies. I think the over-eagerness to jump on the vivax train right away points to mafia. Hard disagree. I find people who just accept it for what it is and make the correct play in regards to him is townie. The scummy thing is talking around in circles about how shit vivax’s claim was, that he might not be town or if he is he is not confirmed It’s a huge waste of time and shits up the thread and is also incredibly easy content to fake. I found palmars approach to the situation very townie for example Are you still lock town on trfel btw? Didn't see much of people saying he might not be town. Shitting up the thread discussing the claim being bad I agree, CopCake is the main person I saw driving the discussion back to that. I think saying he is prob town and prob not the best mayor, at least initially is the reaction I would expect from townies. Remember, even though scum might not want something, it's hard to actually push something when you think it would be obvious anti-town. Scum wants to hide and push things in a subtle way. Not locked town on trfel since he hasn't been very active, but wouldn't lynch him d1 in a million years. What he has posted so far after the initial setup-focused posts looked super townie to me. I really really really don't see that. Last game I was so sure he was town. What is he doing here? Everytime he gets pressured he moves away from it. Slam asks him about Oats. He gives a good answer but it lacks conviction. It looks way more as a mafia seeing Town!Oats be inquisitive than a townie figuring out Town!Oats is inquisitive. Slam then pressures on and while replying to somebody else he @slam and disengages with him. This can't be the same Tfrel as last game? You went 4 days with him. Under pressure by marv/DP/rayn iirc. This looks the same to you? I should follow your lead on him but it seems impossible. This is a good post. Probably trfel is mafia. Yeah maybe but CC and sandroba are town and they are townreading tfrel. So don't fuck up their game and lynch Tfrel over Hapa and Palmar.
Palmar is town, don't fuck up my game.
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On March 06 2024 07:27 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 07:24 DarthPunk wrote:On March 05 2024 21:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Well for instance you could try toget people to actually vote for Koshi, or try to get a read on me, marv, sandroba, iamp, palmar who all are on par with Koshi level. WTF is this post btw. Not great but kinda in character. rayn loves to focus on "big name" players a lot. My concern with him is: a) his unquestioning of marv b) that feeling I get when rayn posts a lot but doesn't really say much.
No I mean, why am I not on this list.
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On March 06 2024 07:24 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 07:11 Jealous wrote:On March 06 2024 06:36 Palmar wrote:
I guess it's become my duty to play spot the mafia.
VE looks a little worse btw Can you elaborate? I had to catch up on a lot of stuff but I don't think I saw too many concrete examples of things I'd consider to be outright bad. VE is one of the people I haven't felt too strongly about while reading their posts so I'm wondering what you're seeing and what I'm missing as I draft my reads. I earlier said he was town based on tone. I'm just downgrading that to I don't really know what he is. I don't have any particular reason to think he's scum, but I also haven't really bothered much with him. I'm mostly just dumping reads in the thread. It's almost 3 am in Iceland so I need to go to sleep soon.
Alright, I can accept that, even though I can't say I really like it. I get that with experience with others and with playing this game, you might have gut reads you can't explain, but even if we assume that this is all that is, "I'm mostly just dumping reads in the thread" doesn't feel very productive nor does it make me view you in a more favorable light; compare to Koshi's post, for example. But. maybe that's just me. Maybe I'm too uptight about such things. But, I do appreciate the honesty at least.
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On March 06 2024 07:28 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 07:27 Palmar wrote:On March 06 2024 07:24 DarthPunk wrote:On March 05 2024 21:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Well for instance you could try toget people to actually vote for Koshi, or try to get a read on me, marv, sandroba, iamp, palmar who all are on par with Koshi level. WTF is this post btw. Not great but kinda in character. rayn loves to focus on "big name" players a lot. My concern with him is: a) his unquestioning of marv b) that feeling I get when rayn posts a lot but doesn't really say much. No I mean, why am I not on this list.
because you townread palmar
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On March 06 2024 07:27 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 07:19 justanothertownie wrote:On March 06 2024 07:13 DarthPunk wrote:On March 06 2024 07:08 Koshi wrote:
For the people thinking this was a good post by Palmar.
why marv should not be called mafia:
1) marv has a 7 page filter and is actually playing. That alone is enough to not call him mafia D1.
2) Palmar admits the first vote is legit on him. So that means marv came out of hiding to post a legit vote that would and could mean he had to play hard for the rest of the game if town!Palmar brought his A game. It is less likely Mafia!marv would do that because he cba. Town!marv would come out because he thinks it is the best thing to do for town. So this also leans towards a town!marv. This alone would be a good reason not to vote marv D1.
3) marv being wrong on Palmar means fuck all for his alignment. Last game, with Palmar and marv, they both wrongly tunneled Tfrel and Sandroba for 3 days straight, and townread mebaby. They were wrong 3 times, for 3 days. Both didn't catch scum rayn for those 3 days. Maybe I am slightly exaggerating but not too much. So don't think marv is flawless and it makes him mafia.
Why Palmar is mafia:
4) His reads are not good enough. The Oats read; which was at that time his top 1 mafia, was opportunistic and badly thought out. His marv read is just OMGUS and trying to discredit the person who leads his wagon.
5) He can play as a town leader, so him playing like a weasel this game points towards mafia.
6) Doing better is not hard when you start at the bottom of bottoms. It's a horrible point people are making. (calling out DP). He is at his best in this game still doing worse than he did in the previous game.
Kill Palmar. Koshi if Palmar is town, after last game you realise he SHOULD be scum reading marv because marv prides himself on being the palmar whisperer and saving him from being mislynched etc. so in this game, assuming palmar is town and marv seems to just be coasting to a palmar lynch here, town!palmar is always going to read marv as mafia. Scum marv knows he will not easily be able to mislynch town Palmar. And I really really doubt he would ever try needlessly since he hates putting effort in as mafia. I don;t buy this at all sorry. Palmar was a really easy mislynch here.
Really? Does not seem like it to me.
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On March 06 2024 07:28 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 07:28 DarthPunk wrote:On March 06 2024 07:27 Palmar wrote:On March 06 2024 07:24 DarthPunk wrote:On March 05 2024 21:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Well for instance you could try toget people to actually vote for Koshi, or try to get a read on me, marv, sandroba, iamp, palmar who all are on par with Koshi level. WTF is this post btw. Not great but kinda in character. rayn loves to focus on "big name" players a lot. My concern with him is: a) his unquestioning of marv b) that feeling I get when rayn posts a lot but doesn't really say much. No I mean, why am I not on this list. because you townread palmar
Brutal.
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DP is probably town btw. just very misguided.
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On March 06 2024 07:29 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 07:27 DarthPunk wrote:On March 06 2024 07:19 justanothertownie wrote:On March 06 2024 07:13 DarthPunk wrote:On March 06 2024 07:08 Koshi wrote:
For the people thinking this was a good post by Palmar.
why marv should not be called mafia:
1) marv has a 7 page filter and is actually playing. That alone is enough to not call him mafia D1.
2) Palmar admits the first vote is legit on him. So that means marv came out of hiding to post a legit vote that would and could mean he had to play hard for the rest of the game if town!Palmar brought his A game. It is less likely Mafia!marv would do that because he cba. Town!marv would come out because he thinks it is the best thing to do for town. So this also leans towards a town!marv. This alone would be a good reason not to vote marv D1.
3) marv being wrong on Palmar means fuck all for his alignment. Last game, with Palmar and marv, they both wrongly tunneled Tfrel and Sandroba for 3 days straight, and townread mebaby. They were wrong 3 times, for 3 days. Both didn't catch scum rayn for those 3 days. Maybe I am slightly exaggerating but not too much. So don't think marv is flawless and it makes him mafia.
Why Palmar is mafia:
4) His reads are not good enough. The Oats read; which was at that time his top 1 mafia, was opportunistic and badly thought out. His marv read is just OMGUS and trying to discredit the person who leads his wagon.
5) He can play as a town leader, so him playing like a weasel this game points towards mafia.
6) Doing better is not hard when you start at the bottom of bottoms. It's a horrible point people are making. (calling out DP). He is at his best in this game still doing worse than he did in the previous game.
Kill Palmar. Koshi if Palmar is town, after last game you realise he SHOULD be scum reading marv because marv prides himself on being the palmar whisperer and saving him from being mislynched etc. so in this game, assuming palmar is town and marv seems to just be coasting to a palmar lynch here, town!palmar is always going to read marv as mafia. Scum marv knows he will not easily be able to mislynch town Palmar. And I really really doubt he would ever try needlessly since he hates putting effort in as mafia. I don;t buy this at all sorry. Palmar was a really easy mislynch here. Really? Does not seem like it to me.
Now it's not. But only cause of me <3
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On March 06 2024 07:29 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 07:28 Koshi wrote:On March 06 2024 07:28 DarthPunk wrote:On March 06 2024 07:27 Palmar wrote:On March 06 2024 07:24 DarthPunk wrote:On March 05 2024 21:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Well for instance you could try toget people to actually vote for Koshi, or try to get a read on me, marv, sandroba, iamp, palmar who all are on par with Koshi level. WTF is this post btw. Not great but kinda in character. rayn loves to focus on "big name" players a lot. My concern with him is: a) his unquestioning of marv b) that feeling I get when rayn posts a lot but doesn't really say much. No I mean, why am I not on this list. because you townread palmar Brutal.
I laughed 
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Why are we lynching either of trfel or jat? Kinda hard to be anything but cba in my position but believe me, I'm trying to be better.
Y'all have boomer levels of ability to think in someone else's shoes, by the way. I get that some of you actually are in fact boomers, but the crazy thing is they are the ones seeing my plight lol.
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ANNOUNCEMENT
We are lynching Trfel. All townies please place your votes accordingly.
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On March 06 2024 07:30 justanothertownie wrote:
DP is probably town btw. just very misguided.
Speak politely to your betters.
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On March 06 2024 07:30 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 07:29 justanothertownie wrote:On March 06 2024 07:27 DarthPunk wrote:On March 06 2024 07:19 justanothertownie wrote:On March 06 2024 07:13 DarthPunk wrote:On March 06 2024 07:08 Koshi wrote:
For the people thinking this was a good post by Palmar.
why marv should not be called mafia:
1) marv has a 7 page filter and is actually playing. That alone is enough to not call him mafia D1.
2) Palmar admits the first vote is legit on him. So that means marv came out of hiding to post a legit vote that would and could mean he had to play hard for the rest of the game if town!Palmar brought his A game. It is less likely Mafia!marv would do that because he cba. Town!marv would come out because he thinks it is the best thing to do for town. So this also leans towards a town!marv. This alone would be a good reason not to vote marv D1.
3) marv being wrong on Palmar means fuck all for his alignment. Last game, with Palmar and marv, they both wrongly tunneled Tfrel and Sandroba for 3 days straight, and townread mebaby. They were wrong 3 times, for 3 days. Both didn't catch scum rayn for those 3 days. Maybe I am slightly exaggerating but not too much. So don't think marv is flawless and it makes him mafia.
Why Palmar is mafia:
4) His reads are not good enough. The Oats read; which was at that time his top 1 mafia, was opportunistic and badly thought out. His marv read is just OMGUS and trying to discredit the person who leads his wagon.
5) He can play as a town leader, so him playing like a weasel this game points towards mafia.
6) Doing better is not hard when you start at the bottom of bottoms. It's a horrible point people are making. (calling out DP). He is at his best in this game still doing worse than he did in the previous game.
Kill Palmar. Koshi if Palmar is town, after last game you realise he SHOULD be scum reading marv because marv prides himself on being the palmar whisperer and saving him from being mislynched etc. so in this game, assuming palmar is town and marv seems to just be coasting to a palmar lynch here, town!palmar is always going to read marv as mafia. Scum marv knows he will not easily be able to mislynch town Palmar. And I really really doubt he would ever try needlessly since he hates putting effort in as mafia. I don;t buy this at all sorry. Palmar was a really easy mislynch here. Really? Does not seem like it to me. Now it's not. But only cause of me <3
Sure...
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On March 06 2024 07:31 DarthPunk wrote:
ANNOUNCEMENT
We are lynching Trfel. All townies please place your votes accordingly.
FOLLOW UP ANNOUNCEMENT
WHY
ALWAYS ASK THE CHUPAZI QUESTIONS
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On March 06 2024 07:31 Alakaslam wrote:
Why are we lynching either of trfel or jat? Kinda hard to be anything but cba in my position but believe me, I'm trying to be better.
Y'all have boomer levels of ability to think in someone else's shoes, by the way. I get that some of you actually are in fact boomers, but the crazy thing is they are the ones seeing my plight lol.
You're voting for me Slam
That's not really a great indicator that you should be listened to.
But hey, if you like it so much, go ACTUALLY read my filter and ignore what others have said about me. If you come back thinking I'm mafia still, so be it. But give it a shot.
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On March 06 2024 07:32 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 07:30 justanothertownie wrote:
DP is probably town btw. just very misguided. Speak politely to your betters.
Who would that be in your opinion? 
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