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raynpelikoneet
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Alakaslam
United States17336 Posts
On December 12 2023 16:29 marvellosity wrote: Should’ve gone with my lynch, eh boys?  MarvI am ashamed | ||
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Alakaslam
United States17336 Posts
On December 12 2023 16:43 marvellosity wrote: You sure about all those? I had some similar feelings yesterday but I’m not so sure now. Why are you? Ditto! | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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Alakaslam
United States17336 Posts
On December 12 2023 16:59 DarthPunk wrote: Did anyone else feel the shockwave from palmars credibility collapsing from an all time high, right in front of our eyes 😂 It made me think maybe he is Mafia | ||
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Alakaslam
United States17336 Posts
On December 12 2023 17:55 Palmar wrote: Regarding the whisperer thing I honestly don't really understand it's point, at least not early in the game. I guess it may be useful later on with some blue roles. Slam got randomed it and invited me. That's the other and probably primary reason for his townread. He could have invited anyone really, and he had no idea I wouldn't really care about the whisperer thing. I think it's a slight townlean that he chose someone he openly mentioned pre-game thinking having an insight into his alignment. (I absolutely don't, I can't read troll players at all. I just policy lynch them occasionally or bully them). We haven't said anything useful in it. I think my only contributions for it are like "I'm not gonna talk about being inactive for a weekend, just to see who else talks about it" and "I'm gonna claim this thing tonight". Exactly. Honest Palmar is probably town Palmar | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
On December 12 2023 03:26 Koshi wrote: ##unvote ##vote Vivax The vote on palmar kinda did it for me. Claiming that was tje first vote on mafia. Just silly and mafia Vivax is silly balls to the wall. This is probably the worst reasoning to vote for Vivax tbh at the moment. | ||
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raynpelikoneet
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
Partly because I am already wondering who the player is I am wrong about. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On December 13 2023 00:03 raynpelikoneet wrote: lol... marv?????? rly lol? Eh? | ||
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sandroba
Canada4998 Posts
I'm going on a clean slate and re-read the thread trying to forget about my assumptions and try to get a more impartial view of things. The first post that I really liked and gave me a strong town read on DP was this one, since it matched my assessment of what was going on perfectly: On December 10 2023 17:14 DarthPunk wrote: Hey guys, just got back from watching my nieces (they are obsessed with Bluey if anyone knows that show) but have been following along the thread while I was away. I liked Slams entry, seemed keen to be playing, I think slam probably could do that as mafia, but I think his alignment will work itself out along the lines of his engagement levels so wouldn't want to lynch him today. As a rule, I tend to associate entry to threads like this with mafia play (setup speculation particularly). Admittedly, it could be a case of a returning player trying to feel his way back into the thread, but the BS detector was going off big time. The last paragraph of this post reflected my viewpoint at that point in the thread, I don't really like the slam stuff. Meh. The level 1 analysis of this is that a player is being aggressive early, not afraid to post and that would be good for Trfel. My initial feelings reading the post was that it felt forced, with a lot of generic statements to try and make Sandroba's post seeem worse than it was. I disagree that at the point of the game in which we are right now, that everything said needs to progress the game in a meaningful way. Sure, I would like that to be the case, but I also don't think that someone being non-committal is alignment indicative, in fact, someone being strongly committed early tends to make me lean mafia more than town, Town are trying to figure shit out at the start and are more curious than committed. This really is what Trfel was doing, going on the counter-offensive trying to conjure up arguments to make my post look at lot worse. If I knew what type of player Trfel is I would immediately consider this an ironclad case, even with so few posts in the thread at that point. But if Trfel is a very emotional player I could my suspicion of him tainting his reason and making him try to look for reasons for me being mafia and accusing him. DP followed this through with this, argued against Slam who was brushing it off as an overreaction by me and Trfel, shortly put his vote on Trfel and was rallying the thread to look at Trfel. Due to this spot on analysis this consolidates DP as town to me, regardless of Trfel's alignment. Marv's commentary at this point is probably what caused my initial suspicion of him: On December 10 2023 19:19 marvellosity wrote: Don’t understand anyone who thinks Trfel is suspicious for calling out a pretty terrible first post from sandro tbh On December 10 2023 19:20 marvellosity wrote: Reads like a newbie tryharding and sandro is not that On December 10 2023 19:56 marvellosity wrote: Why aren’t you just outright omgusing DP here Trfel? I know that’s what I’d be doing in your spot To me it's very hard to believe Marv reads the same DP post as I read and has 0 suspicion of Trfel. On December 10 2023 20:12 marvellosity wrote: You think it’s reasonable he’s calling you out for calling out sandro? On December 10 2023 20:13 marvellosity wrote: If I came In the the thread first and had called out sandro’s post, I would think it was insane DP was calling me on it. Just sayin. What also ticked me off is that he never addresses any of the points of DP or whatever he says is terrible about my post, he is just glossing over it "Trfel calls out Sandro and DP calls out Trfel for calling out Sandro". This sort of simplification doesn't make sense and it's the details of how things happen that are important: I really started to see marv as mafia at this point, and his actions would make more sense if Trfel and DP are town and he is trying to pit them off against each other. He doesn't want to add details of how my post is scummy for XYZ or how what DP is doing is suspicious, he is just the guy on the sidelines saying "Oh, I can't believe you are going to let him get away with THAT" and watching chaos ensue. I was coming to this on a clean slate and trying to get a new perspective, but again I can't see town Marv would do things in this manner. The only things that make sense to me here is a mafia agenda. I'll stop here as I have to do some work, but I'll be continuing my reread and sharing more of my full thought process. | ||
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Alakaslam
United States17336 Posts
That maybe I weighted your takes on sandro... lightly? Dismissed them with a mountain of trolls' salt? If there is no possible world where thus happens, then I have an academy award winning song for you: | ||
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Holyflare
United Kingdom30774 Posts
On December 12 2023 23:45 raynpelikoneet wrote: Like he himself appeared to be suspicious of sandroba at that point, but for some reason he votes for me when my post that is most solving in the game is questioning the player he is suspicious of. Your question was bad. Even if I had read it, acknowledged it and mentioned it I still would have given the same reasons to vote for you. You didn't seem to care about any of it and you were just giving reads I didn't think you would give. It's that simple. Get over it. If you want 2 names, I've given sandro and chez (and highlighted a post where chez breaks character that you should look at) but I can't really give you more than that other than I'm going to investigate trfel when I have some free time. I think you look better purely from Sandro's filter. I think dmb, marv, possibly dp, slam all look better from their actions in the night surrounding the vivax lynch. I think Koshi is a bit misguided but I don't think it's in a bad way, he's actively trying to shut down avenues for wagons. Although his last one he tried to shut down was sandroba which I probably need to get in to but I don't think it was done in an agenda-y way. He also raised the point (and was seemingly the only one to acknowledge at the time) my point about chezinu, which seems like good stuff. Palmar is similar to koshi imo. I don't think his agenda has been malicious and I don't think he's pushing things to get the thread to go after mafia. Starting to highlight me for lack of activity is the proper play here as a townie and I think it's more than just going through the motions in that regard. If I had to make an order it would be: Sandro => Chez => Trfel => You => DP => DMB | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
The reasoning is absolute trash and exactly the opposite how Vivax operates as mafia.... | ||
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raynpelikoneet
Finland43268 Posts
On December 12 2023 10:08 die_meatbaby wrote: Tbh this last 3-4 posts from Vivax looks like a Townie who trys to stay alive, but just the rest from his Filter looks still worse then anyone else here. Also We are 9 vs 3 One miss lynch+ the night kill will leave us 6 vs 3. I really hope we don't fuck up with the lynch. Do you have a vigilante? | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On December 13 2023 00:07 Alakaslam wrote: Marv, if I am reading what you say about Sandroba with the background of thinking Trfel is mafia and fearing that you could be mafia with him but carry such sway with me that I will TR you when mafia often because you say sensible shit as either alignment, That maybe I weighted your takes on sandro... lightly? Dismissed them with a mountain of trolls' salt? If there is no possible world where thus happens, then I have an academy award winning song for you: https://youtu.be/0eWUhXPhIaE?feature=shared I mean, I do love this song :p | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On December 13 2023 00:08 raynpelikoneet wrote: The reasoning is absolute trash and exactly the opposite how Vivax operates as mafia.... No, actually when I was mafia with him he did make a lot of nonsensical, silly posts. It was a good distraction technique. He even talked about it in the maf discord | ||
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Alakaslam
United States17336 Posts
It IS quite good, Enough that we can now say objectively so | ||
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