Winter Warfare Mafia - Page 5

On December 13 2023 00:08 Holyflare wrote:
Sandro => Chez => Trfel => You => DP => DMB

On December 13 2023 00:35 Holyflare wrote:
No, marv is low investment but high co-opperativeness. I don't think he's pushing down routes that are inherently bad and, sure, given I think Sandro is mafia he's a bit up there because of it but it's the things that he wouldn't have to do as mafia that he's doing here that make him seem better to me. Trying to get you to explain your posts about me better, trying to get me to explain the posts about sandro more. Collaboration is the key to success.

It's not a strong point and perhaps marv might be in place of DMB but I haven't done much reading of DMB other than skimming the night. Definitely think he's above sandro, chez, trfel and probably you at the very least.

On December 13 2023 00:08 Holyflare wrote:


Your question was bad. Even if I had read it, acknowledged it and mentioned it I still would have given the same reasons to vote for you. You didn't seem to care about any of it and you were just giving reads I didn't think you would give. It's that simple. Get over it.

If you want 2 names, I've given sandro and chez (and highlighted a post where chez breaks character that you should look at) but I can't really give you more than that other than I'm going to investigate trfel when I have some free time.

I think you look better purely from Sandro's filter. I think dmb, marv, possibly dp, slam all look better from their actions in the night surrounding the vivax lynch.

I think Koshi is a bit misguided but I don't think it's in a bad way, he's actively trying to shut down avenues for wagons. Although his last one he tried to shut down was sandroba which I probably need to get in to but I don't think it was done in an agenda-y way. He also raised the point (and was seemingly the only one to acknowledge at the time) my point about chezinu, which seems like good stuff.

Palmar is similar to koshi imo. I don't think his agenda has been malicious and I don't think he's pushing things to get the thread to go after mafia. Starting to highlight me for lack of activity is the proper play here as a townie and I think it's more than just going through the motions in that regard.

If I had to make an order it would be:

Sandro => Chez => Trfel => You => DP => DMB

On December 13 2023 07:28 sandroba wrote:


This exchange feels a bit off to me. The Trfel soft defense of HF, throwing the question to HF about DP and HF's response all sound a bit forced to me. It just looks like they give each other an undue amount of charitability. This feels like mafia on mafia to me.

On December 13 2023 22:19 marvellosity wrote:
So I've gone back and re-read sandro, specifically looking for what he has said about Trfel. This is the progression.

1. He is "98% sure" that the DP & Trfel fight is TvT.
2. Trfel is trying to figure out the game, and his post casting suspicion on Vivax is "spot on".
3. Trfel he had been "leaning town" on "but this post really set off some alarms for me" - this is the Trfel vote post on Vivax.
4. He says to me "I quoted a post [from Trfel] I would 100% expect you to agree on and find suspicious" - the problem is he couldn't elaborate on how this was - he stated the tone felt different from the rest of the filter - which I don't agree with - which is why I asked how he might imagine a town Trfel might have written the post, which he could not answer.
5. He then submissively backs down on this point saying he could be just bad (this feels out of sandro's character)
6. Now he is "conflicted on Trfel"
7. sandro does a big catch-up post on DP, Trfel, me etc. In it he says he agrees with DP that Trfel was "going on the counter offensive" to make his post look a lot worse, and if he knew what type of player Trfel was, he would find it "an ironclad case [on Trfel]"

Basically I don't find any of this natural. While it was happening, he considered DP vs Trfel 98% TvT, but on re-read DP's case on Trfel looks "ironclad"?

I can't see this whole thing coming from a town sandro, I just can't

On December 13 2023 23:06 Holyflare wrote:
Not sure I understand why you're tripling down on calling marv mafia when he's going through your filter multiple times, trying to come up with arguments and engage with you and even then still giving the benefit of the doubt for other people to interject and correct him. Is that mafia M.O.?

On December 13 2023 23:22 Holyflare wrote:
Let me spell it out incredibly clearly. I think you're mafia, I think you have floundered trying to come up with town reads because there have been people that are posting good townie thoughts and you can't come up with concrete reasons to actually scum read them so you've just re-hashed the beginning of the game again and squirrelled away not trying to give any good perspective on current events or anything useful. You've boxed yourself out and aren't actually answering any questions because you don't want to give too many things away when you actually flip mafia.

Even now I'm asking you relevant questions because you're not doing things you should be if you are a townie and you're just throwing things back in my face in an attempt to throw a tantrum and derail progress because the fact is you can't coherently reply to the accusations or give proper answers because there is no good explanation for what you're doing.

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You can very very easily give more insight into the end of day shenanigans and see the perspectives of people at the time and give us insight into who looks like mafia trying to afk or which of the people joining you and trying to save vivax were doing so in good faith or bad faith and then drawing conclusions from that but you instead just pick out things that aren't relevant like some trfel interaction with me (and again, you haven't acknowledged or given an insight into my reply to this accusation).

You're not doing things a townie would do in your situation. You're complaining, you're calling people that are clearly just trying to solve the game mafia and relying aren't actually trying to divert things in a meaningful way. Who are you trying to lynch right now? God knows. Just whining that marv is mafia and that I'm mafia and asking about some irrelevant vig claim.

##vote sandroba